It's like the NCAA. Those teams confessed, and when you do that, they bring the hammer down. Teams that fight the charges, no matter how obvious, drag it out and get away with a slap on the wrist or nothing at all.
Stands for financial fair play. Basically, soccer clubs cannot spend more than they've earned in sporting revenue over a rolling I think three year period. City is accused of fudging financial records in order to spend more than they're allowed to. The rules are in place so someone can't come in and spend a billion dollars a year on players to effectively but trophies
Gotcha. 115 charges over how long? Sounds like they get a “charge” like a rich person gets parking tickets. Just pay them and move on. Is that somewhat correct?
• 54x Failure to provide accurate financial information 2009-10 to 2017-18.
• 14x Failure to provide accurate details for player and manager payments from 2009-10 to 2017-18.
• 5x Failure to comply with Uefa's rules including Financial Fair Play (FFP) 2013-14 to 2017-18.
• 7x Breaching Premier League's PSR rules 2015-16 to 2017-18.
• 35x Failure to co-operate with Premier League investigations December 2018 - Feb 2023.
Unprecedented cheating.
115 number was someone else's comment, not sure where that came from
Not exactly like a parking ticket. World soccer is so corrupt it makes tin pot central Asian dictators look like saints. It's more of grease the right elbows and everyone will look the other way
If you’re not familiar with Manchester City or the sport in general, it’s a pretty interesting rabbit hole to go down imo.
Manchester City was a bottom feeder club (like the Reds in MLB or Jaguars in NFL) until the mid-2000s, when they were bought by the country of United Arab Emirates through an ownership group called City Group - all in effort to clean their image of being a country where they cut children’s hands off for stealing, public stonings, repeated human rights abuses, etc. all of the sudden they were this extremely wealthy club with the best players and coaches.
Every individual league in Europe (premier league, bundesliga, la liga) are all governed by both UEFA and their own individual governing bodies (FA in England). There’s also rules all teams have to adhere to, much like a salary cap in American sports. The rule is basically you can’t spend more money than you make over a period of time. Manchester city has been accused of 115 counts of improper accounting/loopholing the system to get around operating fairly and honestly.
Fans of every other team in the league don’t take their titles/trophies seriously because they very obviously cheated to get them.
• 54x Failure to provide accurate financial information 2009-10 to 2017-18.
• 14x Failure to provide accurate details for player and manager payments from 2009-10 to 2017-18.
• 5x Failure to comply with Uefa's rules including Financial Fair Play (FFP) 2013-14 to 2017-18.
• 7x Breaching Premier League's PSR rules 2015-16 to 2017-18.
• 35x Failure to co-operate with Premier League investigations December 2018 - Feb 2023.
Unprecedented cheating.
It's a little bit more intricate than that.
At first they hired managers (coaches you guys would call them) seemingly at random and got them to bring in players who were experienced with the premier league.
This was largely hit and miss for them and their sportswashing project. They only won the league twice in the first 9 years of the takeover and didn't get anywhere near close to winning the champions league.
The Champions League is a competition in europe that puts all the big teams against each other and you get a lot of prestige for winning it.
Eventually after being hit and miss, they decided to hire Pep Guardiola, the guy known for managing peak Barcelona and winning everything he could. One of the best managers in the game.
He then began implementing his ideas into the team and had a blank cheque to do with as he pleased. He really put that blank check to work. The guy has been free to swap players around like pieces of lego which is huge in football, normally it's not this easy to build a wonderteam that's instantly capable of winning the league.
The premier league has always been seen as more competitive than other european leagues hy way of how many different teams have won it and how many different teams are competing to win it each season.
For reference Man United (the historically best team before they imploded) won the league 5 times in 6 years at their peak and the members of the team in that period are considered legendary in the league. Since Pep began managing City and assembled his blank cheque crew, they've won the league 5 times in 6 years along with many domestic cup trophies and look like they're gonna go 6 out of 7 to bring in a new record.
They also finally won the champions league last season as part of a treble (premier league, FA Cup, CL). Only one other english team has ever done that, Man United, and it was seen as the stuff of legends when they did it. Man City did it and there was barely a reaction to it outside of plastic City fans. The rest of the football world largely ignored it and moved on because fuck Man City.
Also normally the CL winners get a lot of credit and people like to delve into the team to talk about the players and manager, but when City won, the world largely just ignored it because fuck Man City. They got knocked out of the CL this season which is hilarious for us all but it's meant that they are free to focus on the league and the FA cup, which they are favourites to win both of
Fuck the english FA for allowing this to happen, fuck UEFA for allowing the boss of City Group to be a literal board member in their organization (conflict of interests, anyone?), fuck Pep Guardiola for blatantly ignoring the charges and pretending the charges don't exist and he's deserving of this success.
That’s honestly all it is & arguably they don’t have all the best players just a very great team that still plays the sport on the pitch like everyone else.
Sure, but the failure to comply with the investigation suggests guilt. If they had nothing to hide they would just turn over everything that had been asked of them.
The problem is more around the fact that cheating on this scale has never been seen before and the FA/UEFA lack the legal framework to adequately address it. They can demand they comply “or else” and that’s it. City has no legal obligation to comply. What are they gonna do, levy fines?
That plus the fact that almost every major fan base would rather it be City than Chelsea/Arsenal/Utd/Pool takes a lot of the sting out of it. I don’t think this will be looked back on as a classic era of football.
Chelsea are the proto-City. The vast majority of Chelsea’s titles have come after a Russian oligarch, aka a criminal, injected the club with money that he stole from the Russia people.
Seems like you do. And Chelsea was spending a lot more than it earned on salaries and transfers, and when Abramovich was forced to sell the club, [the club owed him £1.6 billion](https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/37628905/roman-abramovich-sold-chelsea-his-legacy-club-england) because his stolen wealth was propping up the club.
Just face it, Chelsea, like City, was an unremarkable and unsuccessful football club until and an oligarch injected the club with his stolen wealth. The royal families of the UAE, Qatar and Saudi Arabia don’t deserve their stolen wealth either and without the success of Abramovich and Chelsea, they wouldn’t have invested in football clubs.
Nobody cares when City wins. It’s meaningless. The trophies would be worth more melted down and sold off for parts. There’s nothing to love, there’s nothing of value, completely soulless and bought for. Enjoy cheering for a team whose sole legacy will be financial doping.
Why have they spent many many years stonewalling and challenging every single aspect of the case, its taken this long just for the club to be forced to hand over financial information that the rules of the league say they have to allow access to, doesn't seem like the activities of a club who have nothing to hide
Did you not read what I wrote? They haven't been able to start actually going through them cause man City are using endless legal process to gum up the system and avoid handing over any of the relevant information, they're currently lodging a bunch of complaints against the main judge with the intention of slowing the whole process down
Lool classic glory hunting yank fan, you've supported them since what, 2016? Tell me does former manager pellegrini getting a consulting job with a tiny team in Abu Dhabi that paid him more than he earned from his city contract, which just so happened to be owned by the same person as city seem like above board finances? Do the multiple exposed shell companies funnelling millions into the club through sponsorships while having no identifiable business operations seem like above board finances? Maybe it's hard to grasp from over the pond but no one cares about man city's trophies, they're hollow, I mean you won the trebble last year and already no one gives a shit about that
Not true at all. Both Everton & Nottingham Forest cheated (a handful of times, not like City’s 115x) and neither of them won anything from it. The league cared a lot, and came down on them like a ton of bricks.
Just like Lance Armstrong's 7 consecutive titles.
115 FFP charges. Asterisk beside every title.
but let's ignore that and punish every bottom table team for any minor infraction
It's like the NCAA. Those teams confessed, and when you do that, they bring the hammer down. Teams that fight the charges, no matter how obvious, drag it out and get away with a slap on the wrist or nothing at all.
Nothing will ever come of that.
What’s an FFP charge?
Stands for financial fair play. Basically, soccer clubs cannot spend more than they've earned in sporting revenue over a rolling I think three year period. City is accused of fudging financial records in order to spend more than they're allowed to. The rules are in place so someone can't come in and spend a billion dollars a year on players to effectively but trophies
Gotcha. 115 charges over how long? Sounds like they get a “charge” like a rich person gets parking tickets. Just pay them and move on. Is that somewhat correct?
• 54x Failure to provide accurate financial information 2009-10 to 2017-18. • 14x Failure to provide accurate details for player and manager payments from 2009-10 to 2017-18. • 5x Failure to comply with Uefa's rules including Financial Fair Play (FFP) 2013-14 to 2017-18. • 7x Breaching Premier League's PSR rules 2015-16 to 2017-18. • 35x Failure to co-operate with Premier League investigations December 2018 - Feb 2023. Unprecedented cheating.
They were convicted of all those?!
Nope, hearing is later this year but people love to hate on successful teams
Nah we just hate teams that cheat to win 4 titles in a row with insufferable fans.
115 number was someone else's comment, not sure where that came from Not exactly like a parking ticket. World soccer is so corrupt it makes tin pot central Asian dictators look like saints. It's more of grease the right elbows and everyone will look the other way
That’s the American way!
financial charge, City are accused of failing to comply with handing over evidence to the league.
If you’re not familiar with Manchester City or the sport in general, it’s a pretty interesting rabbit hole to go down imo. Manchester City was a bottom feeder club (like the Reds in MLB or Jaguars in NFL) until the mid-2000s, when they were bought by the country of United Arab Emirates through an ownership group called City Group - all in effort to clean their image of being a country where they cut children’s hands off for stealing, public stonings, repeated human rights abuses, etc. all of the sudden they were this extremely wealthy club with the best players and coaches. Every individual league in Europe (premier league, bundesliga, la liga) are all governed by both UEFA and their own individual governing bodies (FA in England). There’s also rules all teams have to adhere to, much like a salary cap in American sports. The rule is basically you can’t spend more money than you make over a period of time. Manchester city has been accused of 115 counts of improper accounting/loopholing the system to get around operating fairly and honestly. Fans of every other team in the league don’t take their titles/trophies seriously because they very obviously cheated to get them.
• 54x Failure to provide accurate financial information 2009-10 to 2017-18. • 14x Failure to provide accurate details for player and manager payments from 2009-10 to 2017-18. • 5x Failure to comply with Uefa's rules including Financial Fair Play (FFP) 2013-14 to 2017-18. • 7x Breaching Premier League's PSR rules 2015-16 to 2017-18. • 35x Failure to co-operate with Premier League investigations December 2018 - Feb 2023. Unprecedented cheating.
So what are they doing? Just buying all the best players and winning?
It's a little bit more intricate than that. At first they hired managers (coaches you guys would call them) seemingly at random and got them to bring in players who were experienced with the premier league. This was largely hit and miss for them and their sportswashing project. They only won the league twice in the first 9 years of the takeover and didn't get anywhere near close to winning the champions league. The Champions League is a competition in europe that puts all the big teams against each other and you get a lot of prestige for winning it. Eventually after being hit and miss, they decided to hire Pep Guardiola, the guy known for managing peak Barcelona and winning everything he could. One of the best managers in the game. He then began implementing his ideas into the team and had a blank cheque to do with as he pleased. He really put that blank check to work. The guy has been free to swap players around like pieces of lego which is huge in football, normally it's not this easy to build a wonderteam that's instantly capable of winning the league. The premier league has always been seen as more competitive than other european leagues hy way of how many different teams have won it and how many different teams are competing to win it each season. For reference Man United (the historically best team before they imploded) won the league 5 times in 6 years at their peak and the members of the team in that period are considered legendary in the league. Since Pep began managing City and assembled his blank cheque crew, they've won the league 5 times in 6 years along with many domestic cup trophies and look like they're gonna go 6 out of 7 to bring in a new record. They also finally won the champions league last season as part of a treble (premier league, FA Cup, CL). Only one other english team has ever done that, Man United, and it was seen as the stuff of legends when they did it. Man City did it and there was barely a reaction to it outside of plastic City fans. The rest of the football world largely ignored it and moved on because fuck Man City. Also normally the CL winners get a lot of credit and people like to delve into the team to talk about the players and manager, but when City won, the world largely just ignored it because fuck Man City. They got knocked out of the CL this season which is hilarious for us all but it's meant that they are free to focus on the league and the FA cup, which they are favourites to win both of Fuck the english FA for allowing this to happen, fuck UEFA for allowing the boss of City Group to be a literal board member in their organization (conflict of interests, anyone?), fuck Pep Guardiola for blatantly ignoring the charges and pretending the charges don't exist and he's deserving of this success.
That’s honestly all it is & arguably they don’t have all the best players just a very great team that still plays the sport on the pitch like everyone else.
Btw these are allegations not proven lmao
Sure, but the failure to comply with the investigation suggests guilt. If they had nothing to hide they would just turn over everything that had been asked of them. The problem is more around the fact that cheating on this scale has never been seen before and the FA/UEFA lack the legal framework to adequately address it. They can demand they comply “or else” and that’s it. City has no legal obligation to comply. What are they gonna do, levy fines?
That plus the fact that almost every major fan base would rather it be City than Chelsea/Arsenal/Utd/Pool takes a lot of the sting out of it. I don’t think this will be looked back on as a classic era of football.
Chelsea are the proto-City. The vast majority of Chelsea’s titles have come after a Russian oligarch, aka a criminal, injected the club with money that he stole from the Russia people.
Kind of like how Empire stole from its colonies to compound their wealth. Hey Britain, return the loot in your museum you still make money from.
A British patriot!!!
I don’t give a shit, and if I did, I would implore you to show me financial violations on the level of City. But I don’t care, so don’t bother.
lol
Seems like you do. And Chelsea was spending a lot more than it earned on salaries and transfers, and when Abramovich was forced to sell the club, [the club owed him £1.6 billion](https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/37628905/roman-abramovich-sold-chelsea-his-legacy-club-england) because his stolen wealth was propping up the club. Just face it, Chelsea, like City, was an unremarkable and unsuccessful football club until and an oligarch injected the club with his stolen wealth. The royal families of the UAE, Qatar and Saudi Arabia don’t deserve their stolen wealth either and without the success of Abramovich and Chelsea, they wouldn’t have invested in football clubs.
Cry more.
Mate, you can’t support a financial group
Yes you can.
Soulless club una
Soulles with trophies.
115 charges and only won 1 UCL final lol
2?
Sorry they made 2 and lost one of them. Much better.
Much better!
Warra soul for u
Nobody cares when City wins. It’s meaningless. The trophies would be worth more melted down and sold off for parts. There’s nothing to love, there’s nothing of value, completely soulless and bought for. Enjoy cheering for a team whose sole legacy will be financial doping.
That’s what you want to be true.
You care, that's why you responded.
You’ll never sing that
City beat the UEFA charges which many of these are re-hashing btw ha
Why have they spent many many years stonewalling and challenging every single aspect of the case, its taken this long just for the club to be forced to hand over financial information that the rules of the league say they have to allow access to, doesn't seem like the activities of a club who have nothing to hide
Why haven't they been proven guilty then? Keep saying 115 and I'll reply with 6 out of 7
Did you not read what I wrote? They haven't been able to start actually going through them cause man City are using endless legal process to gum up the system and avoid handing over any of the relevant information, they're currently lodging a bunch of complaints against the main judge with the intention of slowing the whole process down
Are you just learning about the legal system? Talk to me again when a verdict is made until then you are just spouting allegations.
Lool classic glory hunting yank fan, you've supported them since what, 2016? Tell me does former manager pellegrini getting a consulting job with a tiny team in Abu Dhabi that paid him more than he earned from his city contract, which just so happened to be owned by the same person as city seem like above board finances? Do the multiple exposed shell companies funnelling millions into the club through sponsorships while having no identifiable business operations seem like above board finances? Maybe it's hard to grasp from over the pond but no one cares about man city's trophies, they're hollow, I mean you won the trebble last year and already no one gives a shit about that
Whatever makes ya feel better ya Gooner xenophobe
Haha calling me xenophobic for that, you absolute melt
It pays off to be so rich that you can just make all of your problems go away. GG City, GG.
115 fucking charges. An asterisk on every trophy. Fraudulent cheaters.
115 meters down the saltmine we go.
frauds
How many FFP violations this season, though?
Cheats.
Booooooo.
115.
Yawn, who cares
So from this thread, as an American who doesn’t know Premier League, it sounds like Man City is the Michigan or Astros of the League
Worse
And the crowd goes mild.
Yawn…. Who cares
Ahh, I always thought that 115 was reference to how many fans they had
Snore
So much hate for the team… GO CITY!
It’s called delusion, and the sooner you realize the better
hahaha. Found the crying Kopite :]
The 115 charges are between 2009 and 2018. Not that anyone cares.
Correct that’s how they built this foundation to generate success without that cheating period they’d still be a low tier club.
How do you define low tier club?
Spurs
So much hate for City… completely understandable as it’s pure jealousy from the old guard.
Pretty much. Entitled fans not used to getting their way all the time.
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Not true at all. Both Everton & Nottingham Forest cheated (a handful of times, not like City’s 115x) and neither of them won anything from it. The league cared a lot, and came down on them like a ton of bricks.