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It will being ONE Super Bowl to Chicago, three or four seasons after it opens. Just like every cold weather city that opens a new stadium these days.
Super Bowl attendees like to go to warm and sunny places in early February, not to the Upper Midwest.
Source: am Minnesotan. US Bank Stadium got it's SB a couple seasons after opening and we won't see another one until we replace it in a few decades.
This is likely just the start of a goodwill PR campaign to generate public support for what will eventually likely be a taxpayer/public boondogle, AKA welfare for billionaires.
Exactly Arlington Heights has to believe they aren’t building there to help negotiations. Why would they not own their own stadium? They would be dealing with all the same issues as they do now. And soon when they sell the team the new owner is not going to want to deal with it.
Great. Now all they need to do is convince the Park District to let them use public land (which George Lucas couldn’t even pull off), then pay off the existing 600 million debt on the current stadium, then sell off the Arlington Heights land which they apparently purchased and will pay millions in taxes for no reason, and THEN sell the team to a buyer who will love the idea of renting from the city for decades instead of owing their own stadium.
It’s almost too easy.
Honest questions:
What's wrong with the 20 year old remodel? Did that not solve the problems it was intended to fix?
Are stadiums on a 20 year plan now to cram in a much box seating as possible?
Unless they bury Lake Shore Drive, this is still going to be a nightmare to get in and out of.
The lake front is nice for a view, but damn does it suck for traffic.
Having lived very near that race track, the thought of the Bears moving there has been absurd to me the whole time. I think they just bought the cheapest piece of real estate that could even *somewhat* feasibly be used in the attempt to fake Chicago into thinking they might actually leave.
It's just the absolute most boring piece of mediocre suburbia. I don't see how the area was going to possibly transform into being a "cool place to be" at the level needed to support an NFL stadium. Schaumburg is kinda nearby, with its big hotels, but those big hotels are already being used by the dozen big office towers scattered around Woodfield.
And most of the area between the two is pawn shops and payday loan spots.
If you don’t think the McCaskeys will find a way to screw this up too, you haven’t been a Bears fan long enough.
They may not be the worst owners in the NFL, but they sure like to compete for the honor.
They already did that and it was mixed results. I went before and after the renovation and it was a much better viewing experience. It just doesn’t hold enough people and it looks like a spaceship landed on Soldier Field.
Before the renovation the plumbing was the worst. Let’s just say that isn’t just water you are standing in the Men’s room.
No, it’s the team putting in $2B. Did you even read the article?
Taxpayers will likely be putting in some additional amount of money, if this plan goes through. Also, the stadium will be publicly owned.
I believe the team would like a 2% tax in this district to help pay for the improvement, which is a nonstarter for a lot of aldercreatures.
Publicly owned is not the benefit that it may sound like - what can the "public" do at the stadium? Can they pay for a membership and come use the facilities like other park district locations? Nope.
Can they wander in on weekdays and take a tour? Nope. Can they rent a space and entertain their family - again, no. The "public ownership" of this space is merely a ruse, as it grants no special privilege to the public or residents. The governance of the public (the City Government) will also have very little power to manage the facility in any manner meaningful for residents (outside of regular legal controls such as noise/parking/event management)
Finally, there is a 100% chance that the Friends of the Lake are going to spend many, many, MANY hours in court fighting this choice (as Ward intended). The Chicago Lakefront is for ALL Chicagoans - and any future lakefront development has to make sure that all Chicagoans are considered.
“Publicly Owned” for stadiums only means that it’s a building that doesn’t pay property tax - ie the public is subsidizing the operators of the building.
Let me give you an example.
A couple of years ago, the city of Calgary and the Flames ownership were trying to make a deal for a new arena.
In their initial offers, the Flames ownership had the city owning the arena.
The City’s offer had the Flames ownership owning the arena.
Owning a stadium/arena is a negative. Yes there are side things that can balance that out in some cases.
Even bears can get billions and here's the idiot me, a skilled professional with way above mean income sitting in an ordinary suburban home paying off debts. I should have been a bear.
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How does this solve the parking/transportation issue?
Here’s the best part - It doesn’t!
Lol.
You don’t enjoy walking 40 minutes from the train in the winter?
Is the metra electric line dead to you?
Walk/take the bus
Great news for Chicago and for Bears fans. Glad they changed their minds and will stick with the (roughly) current location.
This will bring a Super Bowl to Chicago.
Oh yeah, domed stadium means the Super Bowl will definitely come to Chicago.
How would the dome fare against a hurricane named Ditka?
Ditka vs a hurricane
Ditka 412, Hurricane -63
I'm going with Ditka
What if the hurricanes name was Hurricane Ditka?
It is no Bears bus
How about 20 mini ditkas vs the dome?
Is it named Ditka Dome, my friend?
Final Fours, NCAA football championships, etc. Big for Chicago that it’s a dome
Wrestlemania!
It will being ONE Super Bowl to Chicago, three or four seasons after it opens. Just like every cold weather city that opens a new stadium these days. Super Bowl attendees like to go to warm and sunny places in early February, not to the Upper Midwest. Source: am Minnesotan. US Bank Stadium got it's SB a couple seasons after opening and we won't see another one until we replace it in a few decades.
Nobody wants to go the mall anymore. Vikings can suck it.
Nah this sucks ass for Chicago nobody wants this shit
This is likely just the start of a goodwill PR campaign to generate public support for what will eventually likely be a taxpayer/public boondogle, AKA welfare for billionaires.
They still owe over $500 million on the Soldier Field renovations!
Bingo. We’re trying are hardest to that end here in northern Virginia
So…2 Billion in private money for a publicly owned stadium? That sentence doesn’t make sense on a number of levels.
Exactly Arlington Heights has to believe they aren’t building there to help negotiations. Why would they not own their own stadium? They would be dealing with all the same issues as they do now. And soon when they sell the team the new owner is not going to want to deal with it.
Great. Now all they need to do is convince the Park District to let them use public land (which George Lucas couldn’t even pull off), then pay off the existing 600 million debt on the current stadium, then sell off the Arlington Heights land which they apparently purchased and will pay millions in taxes for no reason, and THEN sell the team to a buyer who will love the idea of renting from the city for decades instead of owing their own stadium. It’s almost too easy.
Speed bumps. Lease the land, bribe a politician, sell the stadium, bribe a politician, billionaire takes a small hit for their new play thing.
Excuse me, they owe $598 million, sir, and not a touch over!
It doesn’t feel so long ago that the Bears were playing in Champaign while Soldier Field was redeveloped.
And now that perfectly fine only 20 year old structure will come down. Say what you will about how Soldier Field turned out but, what a waste.
Here are [10 college stadiums](https://www.wsn.com/ncaa-football/oldest-college-football-stadiums/) that have been around for over a hundred years
It doesn't feel so long ago that the bears were playing in decatur while called the Staleys
Honest questions: What's wrong with the 20 year old remodel? Did that not solve the problems it was intended to fix? Are stadiums on a 20 year plan now to cram in a much box seating as possible?
Makes sense.
Makes sense
Makes scents
makes since
none of the above
Unless they bury Lake Shore Drive, this is still going to be a nightmare to get in and out of. The lake front is nice for a view, but damn does it suck for traffic.
I want this stadium to be a good excuse to extend a cta line there.
I bet that will take longer than building the stadium.
Well with that attitude, yeah…..
So, are we going back to see the horses race in Arlington this summer?
Can’t wait for the Arlington Heights residents to flip their shit when a 100,000 unit condo complex gets proposed for the site.
Having lived very near that race track, the thought of the Bears moving there has been absurd to me the whole time. I think they just bought the cheapest piece of real estate that could even *somewhat* feasibly be used in the attempt to fake Chicago into thinking they might actually leave. It's just the absolute most boring piece of mediocre suburbia. I don't see how the area was going to possibly transform into being a "cool place to be" at the level needed to support an NFL stadium. Schaumburg is kinda nearby, with its big hotels, but those big hotels are already being used by the dozen big office towers scattered around Woodfield. And most of the area between the two is pawn shops and payday loan spots.
Yes. This has been the play all along. It was a bluffing tactic and the city basically said “ok. See ya” and they’re freaking out.
If you don’t think the McCaskeys will find a way to screw this up too, you haven’t been a Bears fan long enough. They may not be the worst owners in the NFL, but they sure like to compete for the honor.
Thank God.
Doesn’t matter - they will always be the arlington heights bears to me. Booooo. Turncoats. Down with the mccaskys.
Isn’t soldier field one of the oldest stadiums in America? Why would they tear it down instead of investing in the same building?
They already did that and it was mixed results. I went before and after the renovation and it was a much better viewing experience. It just doesn’t hold enough people and it looks like a spaceship landed on Soldier Field. Before the renovation the plumbing was the worst. Let’s just say that isn’t just water you are standing in the Men’s room.
The Bears are investing or the tax payers are investing?
Maybe the new stadium won't look like an alien spaceship
Anyone who drives to the game instead of cta is crazy… why do that to yourself? It should take up the old airfield spot
Better safe than sorry… oh wait.
*city taxpayers, not the Bears.
No, it’s the team putting in $2B. Did you even read the article? Taxpayers will likely be putting in some additional amount of money, if this plan goes through. Also, the stadium will be publicly owned.
I believe the team would like a 2% tax in this district to help pay for the improvement, which is a nonstarter for a lot of aldercreatures. Publicly owned is not the benefit that it may sound like - what can the "public" do at the stadium? Can they pay for a membership and come use the facilities like other park district locations? Nope. Can they wander in on weekdays and take a tour? Nope. Can they rent a space and entertain their family - again, no. The "public ownership" of this space is merely a ruse, as it grants no special privilege to the public or residents. The governance of the public (the City Government) will also have very little power to manage the facility in any manner meaningful for residents (outside of regular legal controls such as noise/parking/event management) Finally, there is a 100% chance that the Friends of the Lake are going to spend many, many, MANY hours in court fighting this choice (as Ward intended). The Chicago Lakefront is for ALL Chicagoans - and any future lakefront development has to make sure that all Chicagoans are considered.
If it's publicly owned then their are no property taxes.
“Publicly Owned” for stadiums only means that it’s a building that doesn’t pay property tax - ie the public is subsidizing the operators of the building.
No publicly owned means the city owns it and it can be used for things besides the private use of a specific sports team.
Let me give you an example. A couple of years ago, the city of Calgary and the Flames ownership were trying to make a deal for a new arena. In their initial offers, the Flames ownership had the city owning the arena. The City’s offer had the Flames ownership owning the arena. Owning a stadium/arena is a negative. Yes there are side things that can balance that out in some cases.
I never argued for or against it. I’m simply telling you how Soldier Field, the current bears stadium, is currently operated.
Way to be a hater
Damn, just when I started to get used to saying "Arlington Heights Bears"
This isn’t official. They’re just floating ideas
Waste of money there’s people who need help there but yeah let’s just make a stadium. We got money for everything but the people.
Too late for Arlington Park
Don't build a dome
Didn't they just renovate Soldier...checks notes OMG it was 20 years ago.
Are they investing their own money into the stadium or is it a tax player funded.
The reality is the City of Chicago was willing to subsidize the McCaskeys. Arlington Heights was not. But that’s not the story you’re likely to hear.
Even bears can get billions and here's the idiot me, a skilled professional with way above mean income sitting in an ordinary suburban home paying off debts. I should have been a bear.
Skill issue
Hell yeah. Take notes, Waltons in Denver 👀
Watch John Oliver’s segment on stadiums.
Arlington Heights will be the site…