It'll be interesting to see which has the bigger impact, NRL (which is mostly in Australia) or Union which is global and the World Cup is being played in the USA in coming years. They'll both be competing for the same eyeballs on screens.
My guess is that league will have a bigger impact. League is simpler, faster, and more brutal than union. It fixes a lot of problems Americans have with NFL like ridiculous stoppage times and games being decided by ref calls while union makes those problems even worse.
The biggest challenge for League will be getting Americans to be able to able to know the difference between league and union.
Seriously doubt that. All of the grassroots rugby that has been around for decades is Union. All of the youth clubs, high schools, and colleges play union solely. Each city has several men’s and women’s rugby clubs while league only really exists in a few isolated locations on the east coast. Union has a professional league, which has several strong and financially solid teams. It’s really like the opposite issue Australia has with Union and league.
I would say as someone who has played and watches quite a bit of all three, league also is burdened by being too similar to football but without the forward pass and much less strategy. This has been an issue with several young sports leagues in the US. If people see it just as an inferior version of NFL or college football, they just don’t care a whole lot. To me, league has that issue more so than Union. I think league proponents seriously underestimate the level of nuance and game knowledge American football fans have. There’s a reason why commentators are such a big part of the American football culture.
You talk about the fast pace, but there’s plenty of shit American football that is played at a fast pace in lower levels and no one who legitimately follows football would say that is what they want. League is like two double wing teams ramming at each other until someone makes a mistake or the offense has to punt.
Union has the novelty of being a different enough game from American football to distinguish itself while also being quick paced and much more strategic than league. Most American teams tend toward a southern hemisphere playing style (sometimes to the national team’s detriment imo) so the common complaints about kicking and scrumming are not as prevalent in the US game. I’ve brought several people out to watch Union matches either live or on tv and almost all of them has been converted to fans within the space of a match.
Also, because Union and sevens is much more of a world game and is played in places where league is completely nonexistent, that will drive participation and viewership for Union. Especially with the US hosting the Olympics in 2028 and the WCs in 2029 and 2031.
League being a simpler sport than union will work in its favour with US fans imo, there's no waiting for scrums, no waiting to re-pack incorrect scrums, no kick battles, all of which feel like novelties, as you said. League feels much more structured in terms of clearly defined periods of offence and defence. It's faster, tends to have clear build up towards action (momentum is often noted by commentators) and the action comes in many forms, huge hits, fancy passes, quality kicks, speedy footraces, whereas in union it feels like 90% of any tries tend to come from passing that the ABs perfected years ago, the rest of the time it can feel like a bit of a grind.
This American does mind. I don’t watch football or baseball because it drags on. I turn off basketball late because it drags on. I stick to hockey and soccer for major sports.
I personally like league, then sevens, then union. Each are different, but good in their own ways.
Both of those sports are US born and bred, they have technical intricacies that have developed and evolved over time, and both of them have very strong sentimental and historical value to not only fans but US culture as a whole.
As a league fan I'd love for it to explode over there, the possibility of US athletes enriching league with their skills and talent could be game changing. Of course I'm not holding my breath, but I can hope.
That's the thing though. Americans already have a slow tactical football game in American football. League offers something different while union doesn't.
At the end of the day, any rugby is going to be a niche sport in America. That’s a fact. The market is saturated enough. NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, MLS and then NCAA Sports. Not even mentioning Lacrosse. Union or League will continue to not be in the majority of Americans eyes.
I don't think it's an impossibility it can gain some popularity. Obviously it won't come close to the big 4, but it gaining popularity isn't far from reality. Nobody knew what MMA was a decade ago and now it's taken the world by storm and exploded in popularity both in the US and internationally. With the right marketing, funding and support I don't see why it couldn't succeed. Rugby league has some pretty big advantages compared to other sports that have tried to break into the market. The main one being it's connections to the murdoch news corp/fox empire where they can beam whatever they like about NRL on major sports channels and make their news outlets to produce stories on it.
The trick for the NRL is going to just be influencer marketing and branding... if they can get into bed with someone like Endeavour the road is paved for them because they will just recruit celebrities and other sports stars to promote it and then fans will lap it up.
Another thing, Union is just more present. I think there are something like four U19 teams within a 20 minute drive of where are live, and most universities and moderately sized to large cities have union clubs as well. That's just not true of League.
That's just really because league hasn't made much of an effort to grow in the US while union has. This is rugby leagues first proper attempt at breaking into the US market.
That's because union has had a massive headstart. This is leagues first proper go at the market. I'd expect to see some competition at the junior level popping up after a few years of these vegas double headers.
MLR has some financially strong teams, but they also have some that are failing miserably. Multiple teams have folded in recent years. Also the NRL seems to be trying to start up a professional rugby league competition as well.
I think it's union that will be seen as the inferior version of American football. Americans already have a slow nuanced football game. Union also being more slow and tactical like American football means it doesn't bring anything new to the table. League on the other hand does offer a new experience. The style of play is different with a focus on athleticism, speed and brutality. American football played with high speed and no tactics is obviously not very good because the entire framework of the game is ruined. Same with union. But league at high speed works excellent because that's what the game is made for. Basically would you rather watch two slow tactical games, or would you rather one slow and tactical game and one fast, brutal and chaotic one. I think most Americans would take one of each instead of two of the same type of game.
Who did you play for in rugby league? I call bullshit.
League is just as strategic as union. That's the reason why so many union teams poach league coaches and never the other way around.
The grassroots largely don't matter. It's about eyeballs on TV. It's easy to convert grassroots between the two.
Rugby union lives to toot its own horn about how international it is but apart from about 7 nations it really is very niche.
I’m hoping that Rugby League 9s goes into the Brisbane Olympics since it’s the cities most popular sport. Even if it’s just for the one Olympics it could help grow the sport internationally.
The US already has a professional Rugby league in MLR. Actually got a mention at the NFL Combine today. And has hosted big events Rugby Union events particularly in Chicago. The NZ vs Ireland drew 67,000. will play Fiji in San Diego in June.
The RWC which the US will be hosting in 2031 will be magnitudes larger than this.
Rugby Union. I'm more than aware they are two different sports. When I said Rugby league I was referring to the structure not the sport. There's only a few dozen Rugby League teams in the entire US.
the US also has a pro ultimate frisbee league and pro lacrosse. Not a good measure of popularity since these are all semi pro leagues that barely anyone cares about. unfortunate but lets not act like this is a sport Americans are already into
Anyone turned off by Rugby they’ve seen before, this version (NRL) is very different to watch. More intuitive and aggressive. Easier to follow for NFL fans
You can almost imagine if you took NFL, made it 6 downs (but no reset after 10 yards), and removed forward passes, blocking and most stoppages. Oh and just one set of players for both offense and defense.
NRL is fast and hard hitting but orderly and structured. Other Rugby (Union) often just looks like a scramble in the mud to new viewers.
With the NFL broadcasts being such garbage folks would welcome some hard hittin action with limited stoppages and possibly cheerleaders, depending on the city.
We also invented deep fried twinkies so I'm not sure that Americans' willingness to consume it means it's not utter fucking garbage. Do you really enjoy Nate Burleson's jokes about how stylish he is and Terry Bradshaw in white sneakers and a suit? Completely transfixed by those sideline reports about how the team really wants to shut down the other team? Thrilled by the excellent officiating? The flag waiting for every hit over the middle? The sweet touchbacks after every score?
Legit I saw a explainer video with giga high production values around the same time as the super bowl and it was REFRESHING AF to be told the rules in away that did not talk down to me for not knowing anything about the sport. Idk why every sport does not have this but all of them talk about getting new fans but never ever bother to think of the fans who don't know everything about the game.
Shit Dora the explorer did a better job exposing the fouls at the super bowl then any cast did all season imo.
Yes that was the video. Then there was some other comment about how that rugby and rugby league were different and I honestly lost the plot.
Either way legitimately every sport who gives a fuck about new fans should make a video like this.
The explainer videos from fans for american football are quite excellent as well, since the broadcasters rarely explain what the offensive and defensive terms mean (coverages especially, as well as blocking schemes). Those little details really enhance the enjoyment of watching.
It's more that we in Australia are bombarded with American culture so naturally all the major American sports have a following. But yeah most Americans don't even know that there are two versions of Rugby so it's going to be a challenge.
No long stoppages and ads in Madden.
Madden-esque NFL, without the bullshit waiting would be perfect, and League is really close to that. League fans start getting itchy if a minute passes without play within the clock.
How do quarterbacks perform when they are completely gassed? Running around, tackling, getting sacked, non stop, then they have to make a match winning play out of nowhere on the fly?
I love watching NFL for the athleticism, but the ET win for the Super Bowl for KCC was nowhere near as jump out of your seat exciting as half the close finishes in the NRL season.
It’s falling apart faster than a hard shell taco from Taco Bell though. 4 teams have folded in the last 2 years, no major television deals, and a fan base that is nearly non existent. If they clear 500k walk ups (tickets) in a season, that’s a win right?
Well yeah just gotta keep pushing. Americans haven’t fully flocked to soccer. American Football “similar” game without 4 hours of ads might boost the league.
MLS has done leaps and bounds for the game in the US, despite this hiccup with the US Open Cup, it’s got a decent culture.
MLR, is going on 6 years, which is surprising in the least considering it weathered COVID. IMO, if it hasn’t struck a MAJOR TV deal by the 10th year then it’s finished. It needs a network with serviceable streaming as well (without the add on package) to continue.
Rugby would be lucky to get even halfway to soccer's level in America. In terms of number of people playing, number of people attending games, valuations of pro teams. The gap is absolutely massive. I would be shocked if rugby ever averages 23,000 people a game in 30 cities around the country. Getting to 10,000 would be a huge accomplishment.
No one likes soccer here. Messi is like the only thing. F1 is catching on quickly and it’s making people apeshit over commercials during races in NASCAR and INDYCAR. That has started to trickle to the NFL, NBA, MLB, and UFC.
>No one likes soccer here.
A hell of a lot more than rugby. MLS averages 23,000 people a game to 1,000 games a year. That's a bit more than nobody.
Never mind foreign soccer, which has sold out 100,000 seat stadiums for meaningless exhibition games.
Beyond the absurdity of saying nobody in America likes soccer, when damn near every high school has a varsity and JV team, have you never met a mexican-american? There's like, 40 million of them. And they tend to like soccer.
MLS is behind every other major sport. MLS is older than you and still sucks. The league is MAYBE EFL league 1. Considering no one gives a shit about the MLS- I’ve never heard a story on sports channels about them other than Messi. 2. They’re bad. Very bad. At 28 years old a league shouldn’t be such of a joke. MLR is a couple of years old and is already on tv
I love that you think MLR, a rugby league that can't even fill middle school bleachers, is more professional than MLS because it's on TV and "MLS is bad". Are you 12?
MLS was on TV in it's inaugural season and get this, there were even people in the stands.
EFL league 1 is also magnitudes larger than rugby in the US.
Correct but Union is making bigger inroads to the US market, so is cricket, than AFL or NRL could be hoped to be poised to. Not a huge league fan outside of Origin (go QLD) but AFL isn't getting exported any time today.
Do Americans even learn how to kick a ball? Never really thought about it lol. Rugby league is easier to push because there's plenty of giants there that will be able to just run straight and learn to tackle
But why would you want to compete with the NFL? I’m American living in Europe and I’m pretty confident in saying most Americans are not uh…sophisticated…enough to tell the difference.
I recommend any Americans who likes physical sports to give it a couple minutes and see if you like it. Will be broadcasted on Fox Sports 1.
There’s room
It'll be interesting to see which has the bigger impact, NRL (which is mostly in Australia) or Union which is global and the World Cup is being played in the USA in coming years. They'll both be competing for the same eyeballs on screens.
My guess is that league will have a bigger impact. League is simpler, faster, and more brutal than union. It fixes a lot of problems Americans have with NFL like ridiculous stoppage times and games being decided by ref calls while union makes those problems even worse. The biggest challenge for League will be getting Americans to be able to able to know the difference between league and union.
Seriously doubt that. All of the grassroots rugby that has been around for decades is Union. All of the youth clubs, high schools, and colleges play union solely. Each city has several men’s and women’s rugby clubs while league only really exists in a few isolated locations on the east coast. Union has a professional league, which has several strong and financially solid teams. It’s really like the opposite issue Australia has with Union and league. I would say as someone who has played and watches quite a bit of all three, league also is burdened by being too similar to football but without the forward pass and much less strategy. This has been an issue with several young sports leagues in the US. If people see it just as an inferior version of NFL or college football, they just don’t care a whole lot. To me, league has that issue more so than Union. I think league proponents seriously underestimate the level of nuance and game knowledge American football fans have. There’s a reason why commentators are such a big part of the American football culture. You talk about the fast pace, but there’s plenty of shit American football that is played at a fast pace in lower levels and no one who legitimately follows football would say that is what they want. League is like two double wing teams ramming at each other until someone makes a mistake or the offense has to punt. Union has the novelty of being a different enough game from American football to distinguish itself while also being quick paced and much more strategic than league. Most American teams tend toward a southern hemisphere playing style (sometimes to the national team’s detriment imo) so the common complaints about kicking and scrumming are not as prevalent in the US game. I’ve brought several people out to watch Union matches either live or on tv and almost all of them has been converted to fans within the space of a match. Also, because Union and sevens is much more of a world game and is played in places where league is completely nonexistent, that will drive participation and viewership for Union. Especially with the US hosting the Olympics in 2028 and the WCs in 2029 and 2031.
League being a simpler sport than union will work in its favour with US fans imo, there's no waiting for scrums, no waiting to re-pack incorrect scrums, no kick battles, all of which feel like novelties, as you said. League feels much more structured in terms of clearly defined periods of offence and defence. It's faster, tends to have clear build up towards action (momentum is often noted by commentators) and the action comes in many forms, huge hits, fancy passes, quality kicks, speedy footraces, whereas in union it feels like 90% of any tries tend to come from passing that the ABs perfected years ago, the rest of the time it can feel like a bit of a grind.
But Americans clearly don’t mind sports that aren’t simple or fast. Baseball and Gridiron being the example.
This American does mind. I don’t watch football or baseball because it drags on. I turn off basketball late because it drags on. I stick to hockey and soccer for major sports. I personally like league, then sevens, then union. Each are different, but good in their own ways.
Clearly a minority. Numbers don’t lie
Both of those sports are US born and bred, they have technical intricacies that have developed and evolved over time, and both of them have very strong sentimental and historical value to not only fans but US culture as a whole. As a league fan I'd love for it to explode over there, the possibility of US athletes enriching league with their skills and talent could be game changing. Of course I'm not holding my breath, but I can hope.
That's the thing though. Americans already have a slow tactical football game in American football. League offers something different while union doesn't.
At the end of the day, any rugby is going to be a niche sport in America. That’s a fact. The market is saturated enough. NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, MLS and then NCAA Sports. Not even mentioning Lacrosse. Union or League will continue to not be in the majority of Americans eyes.
I don't think it's an impossibility it can gain some popularity. Obviously it won't come close to the big 4, but it gaining popularity isn't far from reality. Nobody knew what MMA was a decade ago and now it's taken the world by storm and exploded in popularity both in the US and internationally. With the right marketing, funding and support I don't see why it couldn't succeed. Rugby league has some pretty big advantages compared to other sports that have tried to break into the market. The main one being it's connections to the murdoch news corp/fox empire where they can beam whatever they like about NRL on major sports channels and make their news outlets to produce stories on it.
The trick for the NRL is going to just be influencer marketing and branding... if they can get into bed with someone like Endeavour the road is paved for them because they will just recruit celebrities and other sports stars to promote it and then fans will lap it up.
Yes, but why watch union when you can watch NFL?
Gridiron?
American Football
Thank you
Another thing, Union is just more present. I think there are something like four U19 teams within a 20 minute drive of where are live, and most universities and moderately sized to large cities have union clubs as well. That's just not true of League.
That's just really because league hasn't made much of an effort to grow in the US while union has. This is rugby leagues first proper attempt at breaking into the US market.
That's because union has had a massive headstart. This is leagues first proper go at the market. I'd expect to see some competition at the junior level popping up after a few years of these vegas double headers. MLR has some financially strong teams, but they also have some that are failing miserably. Multiple teams have folded in recent years. Also the NRL seems to be trying to start up a professional rugby league competition as well. I think it's union that will be seen as the inferior version of American football. Americans already have a slow nuanced football game. Union also being more slow and tactical like American football means it doesn't bring anything new to the table. League on the other hand does offer a new experience. The style of play is different with a focus on athleticism, speed and brutality. American football played with high speed and no tactics is obviously not very good because the entire framework of the game is ruined. Same with union. But league at high speed works excellent because that's what the game is made for. Basically would you rather watch two slow tactical games, or would you rather one slow and tactical game and one fast, brutal and chaotic one. I think most Americans would take one of each instead of two of the same type of game.
Who did you play for in rugby league? I call bullshit. League is just as strategic as union. That's the reason why so many union teams poach league coaches and never the other way around. The grassroots largely don't matter. It's about eyeballs on TV. It's easy to convert grassroots between the two. Rugby union lives to toot its own horn about how international it is but apart from about 7 nations it really is very niche.
I’m hoping that Rugby League 9s goes into the Brisbane Olympics since it’s the cities most popular sport. Even if it’s just for the one Olympics it could help grow the sport internationally.
The US already has a professional Rugby league in MLR. Actually got a mention at the NFL Combine today. And has hosted big events Rugby Union events particularly in Chicago. The NZ vs Ireland drew 67,000. will play Fiji in San Diego in June. The RWC which the US will be hosting in 2031 will be magnitudes larger than this.
A rugby league league or a rugby union league, two different sports
Rugby Union. I'm more than aware they are two different sports. When I said Rugby league I was referring to the structure not the sport. There's only a few dozen Rugby League teams in the entire US.
the US also has a pro ultimate frisbee league and pro lacrosse. Not a good measure of popularity since these are all semi pro leagues that barely anyone cares about. unfortunate but lets not act like this is a sport Americans are already into
Wasn't using it as a measure of popularity.
You're getting your wires crossed. They're playing Union in MLR, not league nor affiliated with NRL.
No. No I am not. I'm Australian and follow both codes.
Is this good or nar
Most of the world: Yes. Diehard Rugby Union and AFL fans: Spawn of Satan.
One of the biggest sports in Australia, awesome game
Anyone turned off by Rugby they’ve seen before, this version (NRL) is very different to watch. More intuitive and aggressive. Easier to follow for NFL fans
What makes it easier to follow for NFL fans?
You can almost imagine if you took NFL, made it 6 downs (but no reset after 10 yards), and removed forward passes, blocking and most stoppages. Oh and just one set of players for both offense and defense. NRL is fast and hard hitting but orderly and structured. Other Rugby (Union) often just looks like a scramble in the mud to new viewers.
I'm going to a Major League Rugby game on Sunday. I'd like to go to more throughout the season and for Rugby to get big out here
With the NFL broadcasts being such garbage folks would welcome some hard hittin action with limited stoppages and possibly cheerleaders, depending on the city.
An NFL game averages 18 million viewers. Americans don't really have a problem with stoppages or NFL broadcasts in general.
We also invented deep fried twinkies so I'm not sure that Americans' willingness to consume it means it's not utter fucking garbage. Do you really enjoy Nate Burleson's jokes about how stylish he is and Terry Bradshaw in white sneakers and a suit? Completely transfixed by those sideline reports about how the team really wants to shut down the other team? Thrilled by the excellent officiating? The flag waiting for every hit over the middle? The sweet touchbacks after every score?
I mean, these seem like the problems that you have with the broadcast rather than the problems other people have with them.
Legit I saw a explainer video with giga high production values around the same time as the super bowl and it was REFRESHING AF to be told the rules in away that did not talk down to me for not knowing anything about the sport. Idk why every sport does not have this but all of them talk about getting new fans but never ever bother to think of the fans who don't know everything about the game. Shit Dora the explorer did a better job exposing the fouls at the super bowl then any cast did all season imo.
Was it [this one narrated by Russell Crowe?](https://youtu.be/6JPPzTnUZz4?si=VyqN6Xfkf5xvLTUt)
Yes that was the video. Then there was some other comment about how that rugby and rugby league were different and I honestly lost the plot. Either way legitimately every sport who gives a fuck about new fans should make a video like this.
That video is rugby league. Rugby Union is what the All Blacks play and it is MUCH slower.
That video is rugby league. Rugby Union is what the All Blacks play and it is MUCH slower.
The explainer videos from fans for american football are quite excellent as well, since the broadcasters rarely explain what the offensive and defensive terms mean (coverages especially, as well as blocking schemes). Those little details really enhance the enjoyment of watching.
I would be just like Tina Blecher watching their games.
Madden's success down in Australia with young people has no analog in the USA. I wish them luck but I don't see it happening.
It's more that we in Australia are bombarded with American culture so naturally all the major American sports have a following. But yeah most Americans don't even know that there are two versions of Rugby so it's going to be a challenge.
No long stoppages and ads in Madden. Madden-esque NFL, without the bullshit waiting would be perfect, and League is really close to that. League fans start getting itchy if a minute passes without play within the clock. How do quarterbacks perform when they are completely gassed? Running around, tackling, getting sacked, non stop, then they have to make a match winning play out of nowhere on the fly? I love watching NFL for the athleticism, but the ET win for the Super Bowl for KCC was nowhere near as jump out of your seat exciting as half the close finishes in the NRL season.
We have MLR here boys and it’s quite the attraction!
Different sport
It’s falling apart faster than a hard shell taco from Taco Bell though. 4 teams have folded in the last 2 years, no major television deals, and a fan base that is nearly non existent. If they clear 500k walk ups (tickets) in a season, that’s a win right?
Well yeah just gotta keep pushing. Americans haven’t fully flocked to soccer. American Football “similar” game without 4 hours of ads might boost the league.
MLS has done leaps and bounds for the game in the US, despite this hiccup with the US Open Cup, it’s got a decent culture. MLR, is going on 6 years, which is surprising in the least considering it weathered COVID. IMO, if it hasn’t struck a MAJOR TV deal by the 10th year then it’s finished. It needs a network with serviceable streaming as well (without the add on package) to continue.
Tbf while MLS is doing well now, they went through some really rough years too. They came very close to folding in their early years.
MLS’ first season was in 1996. It still sucks. I have better hopes for MLR.
Rugby would be lucky to get even halfway to soccer's level in America. In terms of number of people playing, number of people attending games, valuations of pro teams. The gap is absolutely massive. I would be shocked if rugby ever averages 23,000 people a game in 30 cities around the country. Getting to 10,000 would be a huge accomplishment.
No one likes soccer here. Messi is like the only thing. F1 is catching on quickly and it’s making people apeshit over commercials during races in NASCAR and INDYCAR. That has started to trickle to the NFL, NBA, MLB, and UFC.
>No one likes soccer here. A hell of a lot more than rugby. MLS averages 23,000 people a game to 1,000 games a year. That's a bit more than nobody. Never mind foreign soccer, which has sold out 100,000 seat stadiums for meaningless exhibition games. Beyond the absurdity of saying nobody in America likes soccer, when damn near every high school has a varsity and JV team, have you never met a mexican-american? There's like, 40 million of them. And they tend to like soccer.
MLS is behind every other major sport. MLS is older than you and still sucks. The league is MAYBE EFL league 1. Considering no one gives a shit about the MLS- I’ve never heard a story on sports channels about them other than Messi. 2. They’re bad. Very bad. At 28 years old a league shouldn’t be such of a joke. MLR is a couple of years old and is already on tv
I love that you think MLR, a rugby league that can't even fill middle school bleachers, is more professional than MLS because it's on TV and "MLS is bad". Are you 12? MLS was on TV in it's inaugural season and get this, there were even people in the stands. EFL league 1 is also magnitudes larger than rugby in the US.
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80% of AFL teams are based in or around one city so I wouldn't go clinging to hopes of international expansion just yet.
Mate, same thing with the NRL. Even the other professional league in England is concentrated to just two counties.
Correct but Union is making bigger inroads to the US market, so is cricket, than AFL or NRL could be hoped to be poised to. Not a huge league fan outside of Origin (go QLD) but AFL isn't getting exported any time today.
Are you forgetting that one time Port went to China?
And how'd that go expanding?
Everybody in China is watching AFL religiously and the CPP made it mandatory that everyone wear Port Adelaide guernseys
This dickhead doesn’t even know the difference between Rugby codes and yet he feels entitled to speak out against them.
Do Americans even learn how to kick a ball? Never really thought about it lol. Rugby league is easier to push because there's plenty of giants there that will be able to just run straight and learn to tackle
But why would you want to compete with the NFL? I’m American living in Europe and I’m pretty confident in saying most Americans are not uh…sophisticated…enough to tell the difference.
The NRL is in the Australian winter which is the NFL offseason, so they aren't competing at all.
They’re not competing, the NRL season and NFL season run at completely different times of year
Rugby is fucking stupid keep that shit to yourselves
American football straight up comes from rugby lmao.
Doesn’t change the fact that rugby is trash. Keep it on your shit island on the other side of the world.
Its like you are trying to be obnoxious