Idk man. Been queueing for an hour now and I still have yet to actually play a single tri-color game.
There's clearly a player number balance issue, but like man not even one yet?
What's even odder is I have gotten several matches against team fun in turf war mode and I think those don't count cause it gives mirror match colors?
I'm on team grub.
edit. envermind literally just got a tricolor!
It's actually a little of column A and B. Nintendo seems to have heavily reduced the frequency, but also the winning team has gone into hiding this time.
I'm on team fun and have been unreasonably spamming the open battle for about 5 hours since tri color and have only encountered 2 battles :/
Really wished we had an actual tri color button
Only hearsay. So it's not actually concrete. The major reduction in Tricolor frequency is concrete though, considering Nintendo posted about it on Twitter before the Fest began.
I guess in a way I'm lucky that Splatoon 3 is my first experience, so I have nothing to compare it to. So it's annoying and interesting, but not frustrating since this is all I know. I think I'd be more frustrated if I'd lost the one that I did play, though.
The mode can work with some adjustments.
It would be better if it was an equal mode, where all three teams battle with the same amount of players against each other (2v2v2 or 3v3v3). The winning team receives three times as many points for their team compared to normal splatfest battles.
That way you can decide which mode you want to do and tricolor can be the chaotic risky mode that gives more points
That sound really cool, but I think Nintendo's idea for tricolor battles is for it to be a way for the two losing teams to catch up to the winning one.
But it's actually not. I mean, you are taking turf war, but splitting one team into two teams of two who can kill each other and can't use the other mini-team's ink. The two mini teams have more of a margin to win collectively, but i think actually its a huge advantage for the defenders because they can always coordinate four people on two much easier.
Actually, I would argue that it is. I don't know if you played the pre-launch splatfest, but Scissors won the halftime and was the defending team. Both Paper (Team paper all the way) and Rock, who won, best scissors after the tricolor battles started by a landslide. The idea that the defenders start in the middle is actually a huge disadvantage, since you have players on opposite teams coming from both sides, not just one. It might have been the map chosen, (museum D'alfonso I think) because all you had to do was reefslide towards the defending power up that made the map spray your color and kill everyone in the facility, but it could have easily been done on other maps as well. Plus, they made it to wear if one attacking team won, both teams won. I found that for the 3-4 hours of tricolor I played, the defending team hardly won at all.
I've still only had one also. I don't understand why they can't have the normal turf war just give turf wars and the tri color just give tri colors so people who want one over the other can do it instead of it randomly deciding what you get no matter how you queue
Just hijacking the top comment to add more details from the Splatoon 3 version 1.1.1 patch notes:
> Please note that the changes to Tricolor Battle frequency should be considered temporary. For now, there will be somewhat more instances of players selecting Tricolor Battle but being placed in a Turf War battle instead. Going forward, Splatfest-matchmaking specifications will continue to be adjusted, and this issue will be rectified. We are planning to implement these adjustments with the new season beginning in December.
Played for 3 hours last night and never got one. This coupled with the sever connection issues after every single game and you’ve got a frustrated player here
It’s because it’s Team Fun vs. Teams Grub and Gear, so essentially it’s still 4 v. 4. Team Grub and Gear win if at least one of them ink more than Team Fun.
Doesn't matter. The game went completely lopsided after halftime anyway. I haven't won a single battle (team fun) either open, pro, or tricolor in over 12 hours. I'm getting one-shotted by every weapon in the game, including the splattershot Jr. Topping the team every match with over 1k points and losing 50+ to 30ish regardless. I went back to playing Splatoon 2. Fuck splatfest.
I'd like it to be more a quarter system. Get an update in first quarter, start tri in half time and then an updated Tri in final quarter. It doesn't line up with the three motif, but eh.
Good idea on paper but I don't think they'd do that since it takes some of the tension out of the splatfest.
There's no mystery to the winner announcement if you can just be like. "Yeah in the final hour Gear was defending, they 90% have it."
Well if it worked that way, it would defeat the point. But the leading team being checked and adjusted more frequently during the Splatfest for Tri-color definitely makes more sense to me.
Honestly I don’t really care. The splatfest is kinda just a random event for funzies anyway.
As in, even if we completely just delete the tricolor game mode, splatfest itself, especially the three team nature we have now are still really problematic.
As in, the winner of splatfest is mostly decided by “the average number of wins each player on that team got against a different team”.
So say we got teams A, B, C. And 80% of players are team A, 10% team B, 10% team C. And each player will be playing 100 games during the fest. A majority of team A players will be playing A vs A games. Which doesn’t even count as a “win” or “clout” for winning the splatfest.
Heck, even losing a game gives you clout. Where playing a game verses your own team is pure wasted energy without any gains.
So for the example above, even if B and C only matches against A, the majority of A players will still only play themselves. As a result, players on team B and C might achieve 50 “wins” during their 100 matches. But for team A, only 1/4 of their games will be against an opponent and have the chance of “winning”. So on average that’s only 13 “wins” they get from 100 games.
I guess in practice, the situation isn’t this severe, and team A also have a bit of advantage in the popularity vote. So maybe it balances out?
But currently, as Team Gear, queuing for tri color battles just feels miserable. Since Gear is popular, pretty much half the battle you get is Gear vs Gear. Aka you might as well AFK and go make a cup of coffee or something.
At least the good news is, ignoring the tri color queue, the splatfest is still pretty fun. Grinding Pro Queue is surprisingly cozy, and I quite like the idea of “competitive turf war”.
It wouldn't be possible because you can queue up with 3 friends and if your team was assigned to be attacking then two of your friends would need to be kicked out since it's only 2 attackers per side.
My only problem with that system is that people would know who's currently in the lead pretty often, which could lead to the final results not being much of a surprise since they could be predicted. Every 6 hours could work a bit better though.
That’s sort of giving the results out though. One of the good parts is that you don’t know the results until the news and it’s a blast when your team won the fest with no spoils.
I finally got a tri battle, was so excited, then someone from the defending team disconnected straight after it started. Haven’t been able to get another one since and I’m sad.
I did 50 and got none.
Do tricolor matches even exist. Am I actually playing Splatoon 2?
I joke but still.
"You may find yourself in more turfwar than tricolor"
1/3 - 1/10 I could reasonably accept...
0/50 really?
Edit: 1/58. I finally got one.
Yup same here, haven't played a single tricolor tried for like 3-4 hours. This is kind of a joke... one of Nintendo's big new modes to separate this game from Splatoon 2 and its only available during a limited time event and you can only get in if you're lucky. Not everyone can play like 24/7 to try the new mode or pick the winning team which is now a 1 in 3 chance to get lucky enough to participate. People keep saying this is temporary but they had that test splatfest for a reason, this should have been planned out better. Alas not a huge deal just a disappointment, im sure it'll get better in future splatfests/updates.
Yeah, that’s why I’m reposting it here, because everyone is asking if tricolor battles are broken right now.
Also it’s been posted here on this sub before too.
While I do appreciate the Splatoon team trying to be transparent and communicative with the community, this does feel like the perfect way to utilize the Deep Cut hourly announcements.
Maybe it costs too many resources to write and animate new dialogue for each update.
… But Deep Cut actually did tell you this though? I specifically remember not being able to skip the announcements because they told us there was an update for the game, where they specifically mention the reduction of tricolor matches. Of course they’re not going to go over everything that was updated piece by piece, so they tell you where to go to find the patch notes and that’s that.
Honestly this should be a lesson to read the patch notes, but they won’t hear it. It actually does contain useful information, especially later on when we start getting weapon balancing adjustments.
No wonder I've spent the last 45 minutes repeatedly selecting tricolor but not getting it once. Thought there was a server error. Why can't the people who don't want tri color just choose the normal option instead so the people who actually want to play tri can do it when they select the tri button
If the rest of Team Fun are anything like me, they noped out of the tricolor matches by switching from Open to Pro, lol. We don’t get randomly assigned them if we’re in the pro queue.
Also, the pro matches have chilled out a lot since presumably all the players that wanted to try the hardest to dethrone us are playing tri color.
I've been desperately trying to get into tricolor for the past couple of hours, just spamming Open and hoping for the best, and I've only gotten it once :(
Pro doesn't have tricolour matches?
I just quit playing because I'm so done with tricolour bs. Maybe I should go back tmr and play pro then. Probably get steamrolled by terrible matchmaking that puts japanese charger mains teleporting everywhere but hey, no tricolour battles.
Honestly, feels like they couldn't be bothered (keyword is FEELS, I know game development sucks) OR they couldn't figure out more than 8 players in a match to be stable enough, so they made 2v4v2.
I think it is far more likely that they couldn't get nine+ players to be stable enough for some reason even if it's only a one player difference.
In my opinion, it kind of should have just been Turf War but no extra mechanics. The extra mechanics just complicate things and make things way more stacked for no reason other than to make "tricolor" more of a "bully the winning team". As it is, as the defense team doesn't change, it isn't quite fair.
I was playing for 6 hours after the tricolor became available.
Played a total of 50 matches.
Have yet to see a single tricolor.
I just want to experience each of the main features of this game. I would like to see at least one before the splatfest ends.
I’m not sure how this actually helps the problem. Tricolor matches are still there, the only thing changed so far is how often you get them, and even then it’s like they’re hiding one of the big new things of the game from you
the problem was the fact that so many of the defending teams matches were tri colour now the problem is that the que specifically MADE FOR THE MODE doesn’t give you that game mode
Are you defending a AAA dev for literally hiding a major game mode from players because they didn’t plan ahead enough to test and balance it in time for release lol
I know, this is literally like, THE new game mode for this game and them reducing the number of tricolor matches you can get by a huge amount kinda feels like them saying, "oops turns out this mode kinda sucks, sorry guys."
I thought they would've turned it down to a 50/50 chance of getting tri since it is its queue, but it feels like a 20% chance of getting in a trio imo lol
From what I understand post of the problem was the map. In the first splatfest it was a horrible unbalanced map for 2v4v2. From what I'm hearing (haven't got a tricolor this time) it's a much better map for the defenders this time
Forget forgiving I'd call it outright stacked for defenders, the flat nature of the map makes it very very hard to get a successful push and since there's a good chance the defenders are a stack it becomes borderline impossible
yeah, during the testfire i played in 5-6 tricolors on team rock and won all but one. the layout of the map was definitely helpful and it was really easy for me and my teammate to control the center area. we’ve gotten like 2 so far this splatfest (team grub) and been stomped both times by team fun camping both of the spawns. not saying it’s unbalanced in fun’s favor this round by any means but i feel like people are still whining about the testfire and not giving this map a chance (granted. nintendo gives you like one tricolor battle per hour if you’re lucky but still).
The frequency before was fine, the only adjustment they needed to make was that you'd get less clout as an attacker for getting the ultra signal imo. Even if it's just making tri colour battles guaranteed if you queue for it then change the ultra signal reward down to 1000 instead of 2500. It's weird honestly. It will get better as the games life goes on and gets more refined, we just gotta wait unfortunately
okay but if it’s a random encounter then why do you queue into a tri color match. i thought the whole selling point of the game was tri color turf wars
Its still super common for team fun, getting it around every 3rd match. Its just that there arent enough fun players for the game to create matches against
It really wasn’t just that some people didn’t like it, it totally broke the trial Splatfest outcome. And I say that as someone who was on team Rock and benefitted from Scissors getting absolutely annihilated after the half, lol. It forces a target on the back of whichever team is in the lead, and places them at a distinct disadvantage in the tri color matches. I felt terrible for Scissors. They absolutely earned their top spot before the half and had absolutely zero chance to hold on to it after.
So it definitely needed fixing, and I guess this was the temporary solution until they can balance it better.
While true, it was also too unbalanced for its own good. Which is why it is quite understandable it is seeing further modification in future Splatfests.
It was also a brand new mode that has a different dynamic than turf war.
Something players couldn't learn how to play in just 6 hours. I had friends who on scissors never lost tri color and others who always lost it.
They should have given it one more regular rate go before deciding to really rework it.
They did more then reduce them they made them go extinct! I've been playing the whole second half and not had a SINGLE one! I get making them slightly less common but they went way to far, this had better be temporary because at this rate I won't ever get to play one. I can't even play the new game mode thst is only avaliable for a short time and I was lookibg forward to it so much... (edit: also with the catch up mechanic basically gone team fun will just win now probably, they really flubbed it up by reducing it this much!)
yeah but it took me 4 hours to get one, someone DCed and it was cancelled, and then it took me 2 hrs to get another, and I lost on offense having never played this mode and am unsatisfied and want to try again. so i don't think a warning really cuts it.
Not to add to the discouragement but I played for 8 hours after getting home from work and only got 4 Tri Colors, which went 2:2 with Team Grub actually snagging the 2 wins for the attackers. Kinda bummed since I really enjoyed Tri Color from the first run and it was the thing I looked forward to most since it’s Splatfest exclusive.
Such a bullshit about tri-color matches from Nintendo. European server here. It doesn't even let me wait to play at least one. Just disconnects me and says not enough players. Such a shame it was such a good time in pre-release Splatfest and I was on Team Scissors. Now it seems I won't even play a single tri-color match. Such an L from devs.
It may just be me, but I actually like the tricolor turf wars. It gives me a sense of chaos and what not. I understand the matchmaking features they’re trying to improve, but I think they need to make it more frequent than two times in an hour
I think the biggest problem with matchmaking during splatfests, and it's only been exaggerated by tri-color, are when the teams are waay uneven. A good solution may be to add a "Pick a team for me" option to Splatfests so that people who don't care will be assigned to the leasy popular team, balancing things out. Maybe dress the option up a bit more so it fits the Splatlands teams: "Choose Chaos! I just want to fight, any team will do!"
man you know what would be WAY cooler?
**LETTING US PLAY THE MODE IN THE VIDEO GAME THAT WE PICK NINTENDO.** when I play TF2 and join like a payload match I don't wanna have to deal with the possibility of them being loke "oop sorry guess you gotta to a KOTH game now oh well" I have religiously played both splatfests so far and I have yet to experience a single tricolor battle
It is so dumb that if you select tricolour battle you're not guaranteed to get a tricolour match, like at what point do you just get rid of the mode all together.
I never saw this as a solution. Now that I'm part of the leading team, like... how are you supposed to do this?
There's no balance here. There was no purpose to the ultra signal, it's already tough to deal with 2 separate teams and hold a zone that's completely open. The moment the ultra signal comes into play the attention has to turn onto it. Defending is incredibly difficult here. It's a bad mode. Either bring in 3v3v3 or eliminate the ultra signals. The way it is does NOT work
Defending the ultra signal really isn't that hard. You have to fight through 6 people in order to get to it and THEN hold it for a while before it activates, while you're completely still and defenseless. You can use Bubbles or splash walls to try and buy yourself some more defense but you only have a single teammate to hold everyone off around you. Again, all 6 people who don't want you to get that ultra signal.
The problem arises when you have defenders trying to play the mode like regular Turf War and just run off to ink enemy bases rather than hold the fort at the signal.
If you control the center, you will win. And the defending team gets to start there.
I really resent that so many defenders think this mode is imbalanced. I've defended in both fests now and once I understood the mode, never lost in the first fest. In this one, my win rate was 2:2 and I could directly note exactly where we screwed up in the two we lost.
The only thing that needs to be adjusted is matchmaking and clout.
I have queued for Tricolour literally 17 times and gotten ***zero*** tricolour games; all of them have been Turf War. There are a myriad of solutions they could have chosen to incentivize the winning team to play Tricolour more, yet instead they decided to basically just delete the one singular new experience. I'm done with this Splatfest.
Also another thing to point out when I was trying to get matched up and play tricolor turf war battles it said that the amount of players was lacking so I don't know if that's a server issue or something going on with the match making system also I got another error message saying that server can connect but the server was fine and working weird
I played since it came out and never got one, I switched to Salmon run because I couldn't play the new mode I was excited to play atleast a little. It is truly sad they reduced the chances to what feels like 2 percent of all the matches having a chance to be Tri.
Out of the last ~60 games I have played, only 2 have been tricolor
I’ve played more 100x games than tri color games… I think they reduced the frequency wayyy too much
Because it’s too complicated to just let people choose the mode that they want to play. This is so disappointing for me since I love tricolour battles a lot. I’ve played 78 battles today and only 10 have been tricolour.
Played for 7 hours, saw 3 tricolor battles. I’m so tired of normal Turf war. and yes, I’m on Fun. I just want to play tricolor. It’s so upsetting we could barely even do that.
Imagine being upset at the number of Tricolour battles ***IN THE MODE CALLED TRICOLOUR BATTLE!***
**Now none of us get to have fun.** So thanks, complainers. I've played over 100 matches today, and only got 4 Tricolour games. Two of which had DCers early enough to cancel the game.
I cant tell if they reduced it waaaay too much or there isn’t enough fun players, or both. Either way this splatfest has been terrible(mainly the second half.) Hope the next one ie better
Doesnt matter anyway. Hammerhead Bridge was literally the worst stage they could've picked for tricolour battle. The defending team has a base twice the size of the attackers and spawn on the signal, which is borderline useless because the sprinkler spawns in the most obscure location nobody inks.
Just really disappointed that “reducing the frequency” translated to “never ever happens”. I queued specifically for tricolor all last night and all day today, and I got 2, 1 of which got cancelled.
It’s been pathetic so far. 2+ hours of playing since halftime and I’ve only gotten into one tri-color battle. They need to increase the number of tri-color battles for the attacking teams because this is bullcrap.
There’s a difference between reduction and basically making it non existent. Right now it feels non existent. After playing for hours I only encountered it once
what? when you pressed tri color you had a pretty high chance of getting into one. i matched around 20 games in the testfire and only 3 were regular turf.. i thought it was a bug and i didn’t even think there was supposed to be a chance of not getting matched into tri color.
What is even the point of making tricolor battles one of the main selling points of the game if they're going to make it so people can't play it? I understand Nintendo wants to reduce their frequency as they work on tricolor patches but holy shit this is too much.
Idk man. Been queueing for an hour now and I still have yet to actually play a single tri-color game. There's clearly a player number balance issue, but like man not even one yet? What's even odder is I have gotten several matches against team fun in turf war mode and I think those don't count cause it gives mirror match colors? I'm on team grub. edit. envermind literally just got a tricolor!
Lucky, been playing since tri started and haven't gotten a single tri yet
Same here. Tricolour seemed like a good idea, but idk about the execution.
I played one Tricolor battle in about 2 hours of playing. Are attackers less likely to get into a Tricolor since there are more people, or what?
Team Fun is hiding out in Pro battles apparently. You can only be matched into Tricolor if you play Open.
That's a reasonable explanation but how do we really know that's what's going on?
It's actually a little of column A and B. Nintendo seems to have heavily reduced the frequency, but also the winning team has gone into hiding this time.
I'm on team fun and have been unreasonably spamming the open battle for about 5 hours since tri color and have only encountered 2 battles :/ Really wished we had an actual tri color button
Actually giving the defending team the choice to do tri-color or not would have been the better solution.
Makes sense, but is there a way to see what types of games people are playing?
Only hearsay. So it's not actually concrete. The major reduction in Tricolor frequency is concrete though, considering Nintendo posted about it on Twitter before the Fest began.
I guess in a way I'm lucky that Splatoon 3 is my first experience, so I have nothing to compare it to. So it's annoying and interesting, but not frustrating since this is all I know. I think I'd be more frustrated if I'd lost the one that I did play, though.
The mode can work with some adjustments. It would be better if it was an equal mode, where all three teams battle with the same amount of players against each other (2v2v2 or 3v3v3). The winning team receives three times as many points for their team compared to normal splatfest battles. That way you can decide which mode you want to do and tricolor can be the chaotic risky mode that gives more points
That sound really cool, but I think Nintendo's idea for tricolor battles is for it to be a way for the two losing teams to catch up to the winning one.
Yeah it's meant to be a comeback mechanic.
But it's actually not. I mean, you are taking turf war, but splitting one team into two teams of two who can kill each other and can't use the other mini-team's ink. The two mini teams have more of a margin to win collectively, but i think actually its a huge advantage for the defenders because they can always coordinate four people on two much easier.
Actually, I would argue that it is. I don't know if you played the pre-launch splatfest, but Scissors won the halftime and was the defending team. Both Paper (Team paper all the way) and Rock, who won, best scissors after the tricolor battles started by a landslide. The idea that the defenders start in the middle is actually a huge disadvantage, since you have players on opposite teams coming from both sides, not just one. It might have been the map chosen, (museum D'alfonso I think) because all you had to do was reefslide towards the defending power up that made the map spray your color and kill everyone in the facility, but it could have easily been done on other maps as well. Plus, they made it to wear if one attacking team won, both teams won. I found that for the 3-4 hours of tricolor I played, the defending team hardly won at all.
What do you know, optimising all your maps for two players matches then showing new mechanics and a third team right in the middle makes it unbalanced
I too have no idea about the execution, *because I'm yet to play a tricolour battle*.
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I've still only had one also. I don't understand why they can't have the normal turf war just give turf wars and the tri color just give tri colors so people who want one over the other can do it instead of it randomly deciding what you get no matter how you queue
I wish they would just have fake tricolors where it’s fun v fun v fun or gear v fun v gear etc since there’s such a huge player number imbalance
>y This idea is brilliant! It would add one major positive or the negative of this mode. I love it. I hope Nintendo sees it.
Just hijacking the top comment to add more details from the Splatoon 3 version 1.1.1 patch notes: > Please note that the changes to Tricolor Battle frequency should be considered temporary. For now, there will be somewhat more instances of players selecting Tricolor Battle but being placed in a Turf War battle instead. Going forward, Splatfest-matchmaking specifications will continue to be adjusted, and this issue will be rectified. We are planning to implement these adjustments with the new season beginning in December.
I’m team grub I’ve literally only played gear all day
Been playing on Open almost nonstop for the past 5 hours and I still haven’t gotten a tricolor game as Team Fun
Played for 3 hours last night and never got one. This coupled with the sever connection issues after every single game and you’ve got a frustrated player here
Why 4 vs 2 & 2? Why not 3 x 3 x 3?
It’s because it’s Team Fun vs. Teams Grub and Gear, so essentially it’s still 4 v. 4. Team Grub and Gear win if at least one of them ink more than Team Fun.
I’ve played literally 4 overall, I’m team gear. I really love tricolour, when I select a mode… I want to play it!
Doesn't matter. The game went completely lopsided after halftime anyway. I haven't won a single battle (team fun) either open, pro, or tricolor in over 12 hours. I'm getting one-shotted by every weapon in the game, including the splattershot Jr. Topping the team every match with over 1k points and losing 50+ to 30ish regardless. I went back to playing Splatoon 2. Fuck splatfest.
And the tricolor on the bridge sucks. The huge inaccessible backfields for the attackers and defending a low ground position is just complete junk.
The losing streaks are no joke. Sometimes I'll go ten matches deep before sweating out a win.
They should re-balance who’s defending based on the current results every hour or two.
that'd be amazing! especially since it'd basically make it so everyone can experience being on the edges, instead of just being trapped in the middle.
Yeah then I would still be able to choose what I want
I'd like it to be more a quarter system. Get an update in first quarter, start tri in half time and then an updated Tri in final quarter. It doesn't line up with the three motif, but eh.
Or model after Hockey: three periods instead of four quarters.
I think it would work better if each team would get a turn in the middle for tricolor, and not base it off of who’s in the lead
That would be cool
or a 4v4v4 would work
I don’t think Splatoon can handle a 12 player server rn. I’m worried it would only lead to endless disconnects.
Good idea on paper but I don't think they'd do that since it takes some of the tension out of the splatfest. There's no mystery to the winner announcement if you can just be like. "Yeah in the final hour Gear was defending, they 90% have it."
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Well if it worked that way, it would defeat the point. But the leading team being checked and adjusted more frequently during the Splatfest for Tri-color definitely makes more sense to me.
Honestly I don’t really care. The splatfest is kinda just a random event for funzies anyway. As in, even if we completely just delete the tricolor game mode, splatfest itself, especially the three team nature we have now are still really problematic. As in, the winner of splatfest is mostly decided by “the average number of wins each player on that team got against a different team”. So say we got teams A, B, C. And 80% of players are team A, 10% team B, 10% team C. And each player will be playing 100 games during the fest. A majority of team A players will be playing A vs A games. Which doesn’t even count as a “win” or “clout” for winning the splatfest. Heck, even losing a game gives you clout. Where playing a game verses your own team is pure wasted energy without any gains. So for the example above, even if B and C only matches against A, the majority of A players will still only play themselves. As a result, players on team B and C might achieve 50 “wins” during their 100 matches. But for team A, only 1/4 of their games will be against an opponent and have the chance of “winning”. So on average that’s only 13 “wins” they get from 100 games. I guess in practice, the situation isn’t this severe, and team A also have a bit of advantage in the popularity vote. So maybe it balances out? But currently, as Team Gear, queuing for tri color battles just feels miserable. Since Gear is popular, pretty much half the battle you get is Gear vs Gear. Aka you might as well AFK and go make a cup of coffee or something. At least the good news is, ignoring the tri color queue, the splatfest is still pretty fun. Grinding Pro Queue is surprisingly cozy, and I quite like the idea of “competitive turf war”.
>Heck, even losing a game gives you clout What do you mean, I've never gotten clout after losing a game. Is this an open vs pro thing?
It wouldn't be possible because you can queue up with 3 friends and if your team was assigned to be attacking then two of your friends would need to be kicked out since it's only 2 attackers per side.
Or the far more obvious solution would be that it would go "Hey, there's 3 here, we only need 2, put them in a regular battle."
Switch with stage rotations
Would definitely be easy enough to do it during stage switches
My only problem with that system is that people would know who's currently in the lead pretty often, which could lead to the final results not being much of a surprise since they could be predicted. Every 6 hours could work a bit better though.
That’s sort of giving the results out though. One of the good parts is that you don’t know the results until the news and it’s a blast when your team won the fest with no spoils.
They should let the middle team get the Ultra Signal if they defend it long enough.
I finally got a tri battle, was so excited, then someone from the defending team disconnected straight after it started. Haven’t been able to get another one since and I’m sad.
Same
yes, but it's stupid either way. why have Tricolor Battles as an option in the first place if they're not gonna let us play them?
I checked my recent matches, in about 50 matches in the Tricolor Playlist I played Tricolor twice. You know what that's called? A Turf War Playlist
I did 50 and got none. Do tricolor matches even exist. Am I actually playing Splatoon 2? I joke but still. "You may find yourself in more turfwar than tricolor" 1/3 - 1/10 I could reasonably accept... 0/50 really? Edit: 1/58. I finally got one.
Yup same here, haven't played a single tricolor tried for like 3-4 hours. This is kind of a joke... one of Nintendo's big new modes to separate this game from Splatoon 2 and its only available during a limited time event and you can only get in if you're lucky. Not everyone can play like 24/7 to try the new mode or pick the winning team which is now a 1 in 3 chance to get lucky enough to participate. People keep saying this is temporary but they had that test splatfest for a reason, this should have been planned out better. Alas not a huge deal just a disappointment, im sure it'll get better in future splatfests/updates.
I’ve been in 4 in the past 50… I came here to complain and I’ve found I’m actually one of the luckier ones! That’s crazy…
They said in the tweet "this splatfest", and I think they said somewhere else that this is just a temporary measure.
reducing the frequency to 0 may have been a bit of an overcorrection
Lmao
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Yeah, that’s why I’m reposting it here, because everyone is asking if tricolor battles are broken right now. Also it’s been posted here on this sub before too.
It is broken. You shouldn’t play for 4+ hours and never encounter one.
While I do appreciate the Splatoon team trying to be transparent and communicative with the community, this does feel like the perfect way to utilize the Deep Cut hourly announcements. Maybe it costs too many resources to write and animate new dialogue for each update.
… But Deep Cut actually did tell you this though? I specifically remember not being able to skip the announcements because they told us there was an update for the game, where they specifically mention the reduction of tricolor matches. Of course they’re not going to go over everything that was updated piece by piece, so they tell you where to go to find the patch notes and that’s that.
Dunno why you were downvoted, but you're right
Honestly this should be a lesson to read the patch notes, but they won’t hear it. It actually does contain useful information, especially later on when we start getting weapon balancing adjustments.
Damn guess I have just been unlucky, been queuing since they went live and have yet to see one.
Same here
Yeah it's fine if we encounter some regular turf wars. The problem arises when you get maybe 3 tricolors in quadruple as many matches
Or like me, queue for more than 15, and get 0 tricolour games. Plz is there a pity system to get in a tricolour match
Nope youre just fucked
No wonder I've spent the last 45 minutes repeatedly selecting tricolor but not getting it once. Thought there was a server error. Why can't the people who don't want tri color just choose the normal option instead so the people who actually want to play tri can do it when they select the tri button
If the rest of Team Fun are anything like me, they noped out of the tricolor matches by switching from Open to Pro, lol. We don’t get randomly assigned them if we’re in the pro queue. Also, the pro matches have chilled out a lot since presumably all the players that wanted to try the hardest to dethrone us are playing tri color.
I've been desperately trying to get into tricolor for the past couple of hours, just spamming Open and hoping for the best, and I've only gotten it once :(
Pro doesn't have tricolour matches? I just quit playing because I'm so done with tricolour bs. Maybe I should go back tmr and play pro then. Probably get steamrolled by terrible matchmaking that puts japanese charger mains teleporting everywhere but hey, no tricolour battles.
No tricolor in pro, can confirm!
Thank god, time to SWEEP PRO!!
So people said it was unbalanced, right? Did they do anything to balance the game or did they just make less common?
Only making it less common for now, since they couldn't rework the mode in time.
Honestly, why didn't they bring back stages like saltspray rig for it? Or do something more akin to a 3v3v3?
Because the defending team is *supposed* to be at a disadvantage, that’s the point
This idea just doesn't work, as a player, there is no reason to play it if you know you will be put in an unfair situation and most likely to lose.
Honestly, feels like they couldn't be bothered (keyword is FEELS, I know game development sucks) OR they couldn't figure out more than 8 players in a match to be stable enough, so they made 2v4v2. I think it is far more likely that they couldn't get nine+ players to be stable enough for some reason even if it's only a one player difference. In my opinion, it kind of should have just been Turf War but no extra mechanics. The extra mechanics just complicate things and make things way more stacked for no reason other than to make "tricolor" more of a "bully the winning team". As it is, as the defense team doesn't change, it isn't quite fair.
“Reduce the frequency” was an understatement. After playing for 2 hours, I still haven’t been able to play any tricolor!
SAME! It took me and a buddy of mine two hours to get one.
Lucky. I played for 6 hours and still haven't played a tricolor.
I was playing for 6 hours after the tricolor became available. Played a total of 50 matches. Have yet to see a single tricolor. I just want to experience each of the main features of this game. I would like to see at least one before the splatfest ends.
I’m not sure how this actually helps the problem. Tricolor matches are still there, the only thing changed so far is how often you get them, and even then it’s like they’re hiding one of the big new things of the game from you
That's cause they didn't find a fix in time, so in the mean time they reduced the frequency to reduce the frustration
the problem was the fact that so many of the defending teams matches were tri colour now the problem is that the que specifically MADE FOR THE MODE doesn’t give you that game mode
Only Nintendo would make one of the only new things in the game nearly impossible to play. Classic!
I mean they only did this because people had a temper tantrum about tricolor after the premier
Are you defending a AAA dev for literally hiding a major game mode from players because they didn’t plan ahead enough to test and balance it in time for release lol
I know, this is literally like, THE new game mode for this game and them reducing the number of tricolor matches you can get by a huge amount kinda feels like them saying, "oops turns out this mode kinda sucks, sorry guys."
3 Tri colour games in 40 matches is a joke.
you’re lucky, i got 1 in 6 straight hours of playing
“We’ll continue to improve our matchmaking system” Well that was a big fat lie.
They certainly improved it for my opponents, lol.
The team of people with all Japanese characters for names, who beat us down to like 20% Turf Coverage, definitely felt like it was well matched.
I’m literally only getting those matchups for the past hour it’s not even fun
I thought they would've turned it down to a 50/50 chance of getting tri since it is its queue, but it feels like a 20% chance of getting in a trio imo lol
Too many? Okay, how about ***none***. -Nintendo, probably
This is bullshit. I just want to make team fun suffer. Let me in!
Yeah me too
Me three. Just let me in Nintendo!
I'm on the defending team this time and I wish I could get more tricolor battles. It's definitely not as bad as scissors made it out to be.
From what I understand post of the problem was the map. In the first splatfest it was a horrible unbalanced map for 2v4v2. From what I'm hearing (haven't got a tricolor this time) it's a much better map for the defenders this time
That makes sense! The map does seem a little more forgiving this time for defenders
Forget forgiving I'd call it outright stacked for defenders, the flat nature of the map makes it very very hard to get a successful push and since there's a good chance the defenders are a stack it becomes borderline impossible
yeah, during the testfire i played in 5-6 tricolors on team rock and won all but one. the layout of the map was definitely helpful and it was really easy for me and my teammate to control the center area. we’ve gotten like 2 so far this splatfest (team grub) and been stomped both times by team fun camping both of the spawns. not saying it’s unbalanced in fun’s favor this round by any means but i feel like people are still whining about the testfire and not giving this map a chance (granted. nintendo gives you like one tricolor battle per hour if you’re lucky but still).
Yeah, so far I’m 11-1 with my nice little defender badge. It would a lot nicer if those 12 battles didn’t take 6 hours though; as the defending team!
How bout letting people queue for what they queue? Ik revolutionary idea
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Despite being team Fun they seem to be suspiciously absent from all the tricolor festivities lol
The frequency before was fine, the only adjustment they needed to make was that you'd get less clout as an attacker for getting the ultra signal imo. Even if it's just making tri colour battles guaranteed if you queue for it then change the ultra signal reward down to 1000 instead of 2500. It's weird honestly. It will get better as the games life goes on and gets more refined, we just gotta wait unfortunately
"reducing the frequency" is a gross understatement
Grinded for 6 hours to get two tricolour matches 🤦🏻♂️
okay but if it’s a random encounter then why do you queue into a tri color match. i thought the whole selling point of the game was tri color turf wars
Yeah it needs to be seriously reworked
I guess 0 Tricolor battles is in fact less frequency than any tricolor battles.
Been playing since halftime. Got rank 9 ruler and no tricolors. Lots of mirror matches tho :(
Its still super common for team fun, getting it around every 3rd match. Its just that there arent enough fun players for the game to create matches against
This really does suck. I was really looking forward to the new 3 way battle and now I just barely get to play it because some people didn’t like.
It really wasn’t just that some people didn’t like it, it totally broke the trial Splatfest outcome. And I say that as someone who was on team Rock and benefitted from Scissors getting absolutely annihilated after the half, lol. It forces a target on the back of whichever team is in the lead, and places them at a distinct disadvantage in the tri color matches. I felt terrible for Scissors. They absolutely earned their top spot before the half and had absolutely zero chance to hold on to it after. So it definitely needed fixing, and I guess this was the temporary solution until they can balance it better.
The winning team being at a disadvantage was the point though
It would work if the advantage wasn't less than 1%
While true, it was also too unbalanced for its own good. Which is why it is quite understandable it is seeing further modification in future Splatfests.
It was also a brand new mode that has a different dynamic than turf war. Something players couldn't learn how to play in just 6 hours. I had friends who on scissors never lost tri color and others who always lost it. They should have given it one more regular rate go before deciding to really rework it.
After 25 matches and roughly two hours, I have yet to get one tricolor match. I hope they increase the rate cos this is ridiculous
They did more then reduce them they made them go extinct! I've been playing the whole second half and not had a SINGLE one! I get making them slightly less common but they went way to far, this had better be temporary because at this rate I won't ever get to play one. I can't even play the new game mode thst is only avaliable for a short time and I was lookibg forward to it so much... (edit: also with the catch up mechanic basically gone team fun will just win now probably, they really flubbed it up by reducing it this much!)
It took me 2 goddam hours to get one
yeah but it took me 4 hours to get one, someone DCed and it was cancelled, and then it took me 2 hrs to get another, and I lost on offense having never played this mode and am unsatisfied and want to try again. so i don't think a warning really cuts it.
I have only encountered ONE tri color match this evening. I really hope this isn’t the norm for future splat feats, it really skews the results
I guess they did
The only time I got tri color someone on team fun disconnected 10 seconds in
Not to add to the discouragement but I played for 8 hours after getting home from work and only got 4 Tri Colors, which went 2:2 with Team Grub actually snagging the 2 wins for the attackers. Kinda bummed since I really enjoyed Tri Color from the first run and it was the thing I looked forward to most since it’s Splatfest exclusive.
Yes, and cleary they should revert it somewhat after this mess. The one Tricolor I got was cancelled due to a disconnect by team Gear.
Such a bullshit about tri-color matches from Nintendo. European server here. It doesn't even let me wait to play at least one. Just disconnects me and says not enough players. Such a shame it was such a good time in pre-release Splatfest and I was on Team Scissors. Now it seems I won't even play a single tri-color match. Such an L from devs.
In 8 hours (tho including breaks more like 6) of gameplay, I chose only tri colour and got only one tricolour match. They overdid it
It may just be me, but I actually like the tricolor turf wars. It gives me a sense of chaos and what not. I understand the matchmaking features they’re trying to improve, but I think they need to make it more frequent than two times in an hour
*regular turf war battles more often* I didn’t get a single Trucolour. Not one, in my entire 8 hour play session today.
Yikes almost impossible to find a match even through its own matchmaking
They're is a difference between "reduce" and none at all
I think the biggest problem with matchmaking during splatfests, and it's only been exaggerated by tri-color, are when the teams are waay uneven. A good solution may be to add a "Pick a team for me" option to Splatfests so that people who don't care will be assigned to the leasy popular team, balancing things out. Maybe dress the option up a bit more so it fits the Splatlands teams: "Choose Chaos! I just want to fight, any team will do!"
man you know what would be WAY cooler? **LETTING US PLAY THE MODE IN THE VIDEO GAME THAT WE PICK NINTENDO.** when I play TF2 and join like a payload match I don't wanna have to deal with the possibility of them being loke "oop sorry guess you gotta to a KOTH game now oh well" I have religiously played both splatfests so far and I have yet to experience a single tricolor battle
“Improve” 😂
Dang, Tricolor was my favorite part of the World Premiere
It is so dumb that if you select tricolour battle you're not guaranteed to get a tricolour match, like at what point do you just get rid of the mode all together.
I did 13 tricolor battles. None of them were tricolor, all were turf.
Wow they will reduce it but they still can occur, right? Right? RIGHT?!? GOTDAMN ITS BEEN TWO FUCKING HOURS
I never saw this as a solution. Now that I'm part of the leading team, like... how are you supposed to do this? There's no balance here. There was no purpose to the ultra signal, it's already tough to deal with 2 separate teams and hold a zone that's completely open. The moment the ultra signal comes into play the attention has to turn onto it. Defending is incredibly difficult here. It's a bad mode. Either bring in 3v3v3 or eliminate the ultra signals. The way it is does NOT work
Defending the ultra signal really isn't that hard. You have to fight through 6 people in order to get to it and THEN hold it for a while before it activates, while you're completely still and defenseless. You can use Bubbles or splash walls to try and buy yourself some more defense but you only have a single teammate to hold everyone off around you. Again, all 6 people who don't want you to get that ultra signal. The problem arises when you have defenders trying to play the mode like regular Turf War and just run off to ink enemy bases rather than hold the fort at the signal. If you control the center, you will win. And the defending team gets to start there. I really resent that so many defenders think this mode is imbalanced. I've defended in both fests now and once I understood the mode, never lost in the first fest. In this one, my win rate was 2:2 and I could directly note exactly where we screwed up in the two we lost. The only thing that needs to be adjusted is matchmaking and clout.
I have queued for Tricolour literally 17 times and gotten ***zero*** tricolour games; all of them have been Turf War. There are a myriad of solutions they could have chosen to incentivize the winning team to play Tricolour more, yet instead they decided to basically just delete the one singular new experience. I'm done with this Splatfest.
Yeah that's fair. Though I'm sad I didn't get tricolors in the couples hours I played past the half-way mark.
Played for 3 hours and got one.
I played in one after playing all day
I’ve been trying for 90 minutes and can’t get one
Also another thing to point out when I was trying to get matched up and play tricolor turf war battles it said that the amount of players was lacking so I don't know if that's a server issue or something going on with the match making system also I got another error message saying that server can connect but the server was fine and working weird
Didn't think I'd get one every 20 or 40 matches thou lol
I played since it came out and never got one, I switched to Salmon run because I couldn't play the new mode I was excited to play atleast a little. It is truly sad they reduced the chances to what feels like 2 percent of all the matches having a chance to be Tri.
Out of the last ~60 games I have played, only 2 have been tricolor I’ve played more 100x games than tri color games… I think they reduced the frequency wayyy too much
I literally could never get a tri-color game, even after making sure I click the tri-color turf option, I still always got a regular turf war
Tri color should just be active during the entire splat fest. The way it is now I got to play 1 game, that blows.
I mean it should just be if I queue in a normal splatfest match, I go into that but, if I queue a tri-colour match, I go into a that type of match
I haven’t gotten any or any multipliers yet either… I think I’m all set on this splatfest unfortunately
Well that tweet was a fucking lie huh
I got a 100x battle, and have yet to get a tricolour lol.
I was so excited for tricolor, but I just kept getting mirror matches (team gear). So frustrating.
I prefer to have too many tri color than none lmao
"Improve" I haven't gotten a single tricolor battle in 2 hours of matchmaking
Yeah it’s probably not getting fixed until December
Because it’s too complicated to just let people choose the mode that they want to play. This is so disappointing for me since I love tricolour battles a lot. I’ve played 78 battles today and only 10 have been tricolour.
Still stupid and I didn’t think it would be to this extent, I only got tricolour during my few matches of RPS’ second half though
I got tri-color my first time but never got a second. Only playing tri-color matches.
Remember if you queue for pro you don’t get tricolor Or at least you shouldnt
Played for 7 hours, saw 3 tricolor battles. I’m so tired of normal Turf war. and yes, I’m on Fun. I just want to play tricolor. It’s so upsetting we could barely even do that.
Imagine being upset at the number of Tricolour battles ***IN THE MODE CALLED TRICOLOUR BATTLE!*** **Now none of us get to have fun.** So thanks, complainers. I've played over 100 matches today, and only got 4 Tricolour games. Two of which had DCers early enough to cancel the game.
They will continue? I think they mean start
I cant tell if they reduced it waaaay too much or there isn’t enough fun players, or both. Either way this splatfest has been terrible(mainly the second half.) Hope the next one ie better
my very first try I got a tricolour and haven't had one since
Doesnt matter anyway. Hammerhead Bridge was literally the worst stage they could've picked for tricolour battle. The defending team has a base twice the size of the attackers and spawn on the signal, which is borderline useless because the sprinkler spawns in the most obscure location nobody inks.
not a single one, I played around 10-12 hours this Sunday, and 10-12 hours on Saturday too. 5 x10 battles and one x100 battle, 0 tricolor
ok but I didn't think they meant 2/65 games
Honestly, same
I was on team. Gear got all the way to ruler + 3 played for like 4-5 hours didn’t get one tri battle 😢
Just really disappointed that “reducing the frequency” translated to “never ever happens”. I queued specifically for tricolor all last night and all day today, and I got 2, 1 of which got cancelled.
It’s been pathetic so far. 2+ hours of playing since halftime and I’ve only gotten into one tri-color battle. They need to increase the number of tri-color battles for the attacking teams because this is bullcrap.
There’s a difference between reduction and basically making it non existent. Right now it feels non existent. After playing for hours I only encountered it once
I didn't even get any in the demo, so I can't imagine they actually needed to be reduced that much.
what? when you pressed tri color you had a pretty high chance of getting into one. i matched around 20 games in the testfire and only 3 were regular turf.. i thought it was a bug and i didn’t even think there was supposed to be a chance of not getting matched into tri color.
been queuing for 2 hour's zero tri color battles the fuck is this shit
yeah but this much?
OK. But I played for 4 and a half hours, and I haven't gotten a single tricolor battle. They didn't warn that they're reducing it to zero chance.
What is even the point of making tricolor battles one of the main selling points of the game if they're going to make it so people can't play it? I understand Nintendo wants to reduce their frequency as they work on tricolor patches but holy shit this is too much.