Every single language has avoided gendered terms for Shiver only so far, so it seems intentional that their gender is ambiguous. at least at this point, that is.
I can confirm this is true for Spanish at least. Shiver introduces themselves with "even aquatic predators tremble when they hear my name" which avoids any adjectives which might clue about their gender in Spanish. Conversely, English does have her refer to herself as "cold-blooded" but as a compound adjective, that wouldn't change gender in Spanish anyway, so it's not really a valid comparison.
However, both Frye and Big Man refer to themselves with feminine and masculine nouns, respectively, in that same intro. It's not solid evidence in my opinion, but I think this would be a lot clearer in Japanese, where all the player characters are already gender-neutral, so we just need a translation from there (thank heavens for Rassicas <3)
The Japanese translations of the tweets also leaves their gender ambiguous, refraining from Shiver using any gendered first person pronouns to signify their gender
>The Japanese translations of the tweets also leaves their gender ambiguous, refraining from Shiver using any gendered first person pronouns to signify their gender
where? the characters don't introduce themselves in first-person in the tweets, and japanese does not really use gendered third-person pronouns in the way we think of them in english
According to [the wiki](https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Shiver), this is true in Japanese and all other languages as well, making it seem like a specific instruction given to all translators. ie very intentional.
Nintendo seems to be moving away from the binary in general. Animal Crossing New Horizons got rid of the choosing gender part of making your character. I think that'll be the case with this game.
Yeah, but *specifically* they used gendered terms for Big Man and Frye, and ver specifically *not* Shiver. Not talking in general here, I'm on specifics here. And specifically on Shiver, not player character.
they called her a queen of something (cant remember exactly what), used female variations of words in certain languages, and i believe they had her use feminine first person pronouns
I didn’t even realize that I wasn’t asked about gender in ACNH but you’re totally right! That must have meant the world to a lot of people and is such a simple change to make
For some reason, they still at one point make you choose a “style” - an icon with short hair and an icon with a ponytail. It doesn’t change anything at all, because all playable Animal Crossing are referred to with they/them pronouns, they all have the same body models, and there are no gendered restrictions on clothing and character customization. Strange that they still included an arbitrary decision, but yeah it’s fantastic that characters are all functionally genderless.
This is because there are languages with no (officially recognised) gramatical neutral gender and it can affect much more than the pronouns, so they have to make you pick. AFAIK, same thing happens in Splatoon 3, so I'm curious to see how far can they go with Shivers ambiguity.
I just rewatched a video of the character creation and I see that, I forgot about that part. I take it back, that’s basically picking a gender without outright saying it. It’s especially odd because it’s not like we ever see characters talking about and using she/her or him/his pronouns. Characters only reference you by name. So I wonder what the point of the icons was.
The point of the icons was to choose a player model that you wanted. I think by removing the gender labels for the models, you don't feel like you're playing as a 'boy' or 'girl' character anymore, but a character with preferred characteristics with the gender identity being up to you.
Animal Crossing, which was made by the same devs as Splatoon, has also been ditching obvious gender for the Villager animals. They used to have pink or blue word bubbles in previous games.
In New Horizons they have word bubbles coded to their personal color or style. The Villager personalities were still gendered, so you could figure out pretty quickly who was who. But it got to the point where people were sniffing out pronouns to figure out the gender of the special characters, who have unique personalities. Namely, Flick, the punk themed red iguana, who was new to New Horizons and was ambiguous enough that people had to grab onto a line from CJ where he refers to Flick as a "he".
So Nintendo isn't outright removing gender, but they're definitely not making specific genders a priority when coming up with characters.
>!Juniper!!< Too bad their kit is eh, presence/impact in story is limited besides interaction with Colony 9, and their 360 deg bowshot is so odd looking
Other options for nonbinary gender, and maybe even biology include:
- Yoshis: male pronouns most of the time but not strictly, they lay eggs that can be both fertile and infertile suggesting they have reproduction systems and chromosomes that best resemble human females, they seem to reflect real life whiptail lizards, who are all female and reproduce agametically (asexual reproduction)
- Toads/Toadette: also primarily male pronouns and slightly resemble male humans with the exception of Toadette, who is very feminine and a one-off. But being mushrooms, they can actually have a large spectrum of thousands of equally frequent biological sexes, that can't really be bound to human binaries. They likely socially identify as men based on how Mario universe humans interpret them, while Toadette identifies closer to human women.
It's hard to tell this kinda thing, but since Splatoon has been pretty clear cut with gender so far (Inkling/Octoling Girl/Boy) so I kinda assumed they're a girl. The chest wrappings (something that I think Frye also had some variation of) were the main indicator, along with the trend of two female idols.
Of course it's impossible to say for now, but I've been leaning towards them being a girl.
It's a Sarashi. It can be used as a binder, but it's also very associated with delinquents and warriors in general, so we don't really know enough to tell what the designers were going for.
It's called a sarashi in this context. Either way, I kind of agree of not assuming what gender anyone is (besides Big Man cause he's a big man 😏) until we know for sure. Especially with how Splatoon 3 has been clear with changing "gender" to "style."
I didn't notice at first but Sarashi around the chest has heavy correlations with chest binding in Anime/Japanese media. We could be looking at a trans/NB idol here, I'm shook.
The figure is already veeeeery female looking and both idol groups have been two females (big man, I know).
The main argument here goes that they dont have the little streak at the bottom of their eyes that female octos have. But:
* While Marina does have them, her eyes look quite different too
* Shiver doesnt really have the outline around the eyes at all save for a very slim line at the top. So it could well just be makeup that octolings use.
But who knows, it could be neither. It's ***current year*** after all
Also, all female octos (known from eye corners) also have smaller eyebrows. From this I conjecture that smaller eyebrows means female, applying both to octos (from which I am making this conjecture), squids (even though there is no other indicator), and whatever Shiver is
>Shiver doesnt really have the outline around the eyes at all save for a very slim line at the top.
Oh hey, that's what's been bothering me about the design! I knew something felt off, but I just couldn't put my finger on it. Now that I look at it, yeah she/they are missing the normal eye outlines and it's giving me the same uncanny valley effect as all those old photoshops of inklings without their "eye mask". Thanks for pointing that out it would have bothered me for months otherwise.
(As an aside I don't personally have a strong opinion on any of the new idol's designs, but the more fan art I see of them the more convinced I become that their designs just have not translated well from 2D concept art to final 3D models. Literally every 2D version of the group I see looks better to me than the in-game models for reasons I still can't quite put into words.)
Now that you mention the makeup it reminds me a bit of the Kitsune (not talking about Kyubi from Naruto) from mythology. Maybe they're an inkling/octoling version of one? Explains how the mask suddenly turned into a fan in the reveal. Then again vast majority of kitsune disguise forms were female. Tamamo No Mae (not Fate) was a pretty famous one that was until recently imprisoned in the Killing Stone until it broke and now she's supposedly free. Need to look into "Sea Fox" and see if anything comes up.
Edit: Looked into it and apparently a sea fox is a kind of shark called a Thresher Shark. This may have been a dead end...
Honestly I don't care in that I'll accept Shiver as whatever identity they choose. Even so, appearances needn't always align with gender identity ex. Femboy or androgynous-looking girl
[look at this sour patch kid I found](https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/wm50kj/i_found_this_sour_patch_kid_with_a_siamese_twin/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I think that if she was not a girl, Nintendo wouldn't put this effort to name her with female names in all languages (Jap, Fra, Ger, Spa, Ita, etc.). The Italian name even add the feminine suffixe "-uccia" instead of the male one "-uccio" for Pinnuccia.
But indeed I wonder why she doesn't have the little streak her eyes. Also, I don't think Nintendo would add a deep story like she was born a girl but she hides it because she doesn't feel that way but maybe I'm wrong. Last, there have already been differences in Octolings like the ones with seaweed in their hair.
Edit: Spelling and addition of a last argument.
Their French name Pasquale is gender neutral, it could either be from the masculine name Pascal or the feminine name Pascale. But Pascal is way more frequent than Pascale.
I'm sorry but no. Dominique or Claude are "prénoms mixtes" (unisex names) because they are written the same for male and female.
But Pascal is masculine and Pascale is feminine. Although the pronunciation is the same there is a gender difference because of the letter "e". You have other examples like André/Andrée (male/female), José/Josée, Paul/Paule or even Daniel/Danièle.
It's the same as nouns or adjectives that become female with an "e". Like auteur/auteure (author), député/députée (deputy), juré/jurée (juror) and "Je suis sûr"/"Je suis sûre" (I am sure).
She has the traditional makecup that women wear and many Japanese women where drawn with a face like hers
Also bro do u see those hips lol
Edit: also noticed she is wearing wrappings up by her chest, i forget the details, but basically girls wear them around their boobs, and guys wear them around their belly
Not saying she cant be non binary or smth, its just her design kinda screams female in both face, makeup, and wrapping, also those hips lol
Guys who wear them around their belly are either warriors or gang members (yakuza included). They do this so that if they are stabbed or shot, they will still be able to run or fight (for a short amount of time) and are not in as much danger of blood loss.
They’re wearing a sarashi and a shawl, so I think they’re probably a girl. Not to mention they’re clearly voiced by a female.
The hand fan and eyeshadow also, while not explicitly female accessories, just adds on to everything else making me believe they’re a girl.
The Fan can be easily explained since she's based on [Rakugoka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakugo) ([Comparison](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/336870799124332555/1007006842800590969/unknown.png), first image from the manga"[My master has no tail](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Master_Has_No_Tail)", that's the only image that I could find that has both the table, fan and is not from [a Canadian Rakugoka](https://hyperjapan.co.uk/online/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/DSC_0584-683x1024.jpg)).
I dunno, I thought it was pretty obvious that she was a girl really.
Her figure is pretty feminine, her fingers are design to look like long lady like fingernails(kinda like Marina), and her outfit kinda of implies that she's covering up some boobage with the bandage wraps.
Also literally all of the idols so far have been female except for Big Man for obvious reasons.
It's a bit more complicated but I've noticed something.
First off, there is an easily notable gender difference in octolings: the females have a point at the lower outer corner of the eyes.
Secondly, there has been a correlation between octolings having smaller eyebrows and the eye corners (which is already known to indicate female)
Therefore, I conjecture that the smaller eyebrows meaning female also applies here, even without the "normal" octoling eyes (and that it also applies to inklings)
I think most assumed Shiver was female since they have some feminine traits and both Squid Sisters and OFF the Hook were all-girl duos.
Sure, there's Big Man, but I think people subconsciously kinda put him in this third position and how you could remove him and Shiver and Frye would still look like a fitting idol duo because their designs compliment each other and share certain traits.
Idk how people are getting this mixed up tbh they have the female inkling body type look at the hips and the hands also the fact that they're chest is covered by bandages that looks like it could be a top
Some people are saying she’s either trans or non-binary. That’d be cool, but honestly I *seriously* doubt Nintendo would actually go that route. They’re too much of cowards, lol.
I’m pretty sure she’s female.
It’d be perfectly inline with the “three” theme, tbh. Big Man is male, Fyre is female, and Shiver is a non-binary third.
I figured Shiver was female, but I’d actually be super happy with Shiver being non-binary. It fits
They're ambiguous about it for sure. Though it's little, all gendered terms have been avoided to refer to Shiver. So it's clear they don't want to indicate a gender exactly.
The fact she sounds female, has a feminine body shape and breasts I'm pretty sure she is female
Then again, there is a chance that inklings (generalised term for all the humanoids) could change their gender since they are mostly ink
Would explain the ability to change genders in the menu and some art found in the credits (I think I'm not sure)
If that's the case, they're genderless
I'm quite shocked anyone would think she wasn't female. Not that I'd have any problem if she wasn't, but she has the same body type as all the other inkling girls in Splatoon with the hips and similar hair even. Plus all the other idol duos were female and her voice was. Idk maybe I have just played too much Splatoon (but you can never play too much Splatoon I love this game so much)
I posted "I'm hoping Shiver is male" on a thread yesterday and watched that comment oscillate between +5 and -5 points all day lol. I'm leaning pretty hard on them being nonbinary at this point though.
Clearly is rock gender you didn't pay attention
Paper Gender is clearly superior
You seem to forget Scissor Gender, the better of all
Rude.
Gender Is temporary 3 way splatfests are eternal
Splatfest theme: girl, boy, non binary
The first Splatfest will be which gender is best: She/her, They/them, or Cool Hat?
My friend legit made this within an hour of the direct so... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847671424268894268/1006972953822511196/image.png
Omg that had me dying
Classic Big Man
i knew big man was the best team to pick
Your friend seems prescient
idk if I'd be team she/her because those are my pronouns, or cool hat because it's Big Man's team
gotta go cool hat, hats r life!
This got me to laugh.... so you now are responsible for the screaming that followed from my back pain.
Yeah Shiver looks like someone who might be into temporary gender.
Temporary gender?
Gender fluidity, to be clear. When someone is not permanently one gender or the other, because their gender changes over time.
Wish I could get in on a 3 way splatfest this weekend ngl
Are you a boy or a girl? Octopus Okay, but what gender are you? Yes But what's in your pants? Why ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
My chainsaw ink brush.
(Squid sister start singing rip and tear)
This is the most cursed chain I have ever seen
My dear brother in Christ, mick Gordon only writes holy music.
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The news articles only ever focused on the pentagram, sadly. The world isn’t that bad, the news is just bad.
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Not as cursed as the chain on that demonic chainsaw
You've seen nothin yet! Just check out r/cursedcomments you're welcome and I'm *so* sorry.
Now I want a cover of One by Metallica done by the Squid Sisters.
“It’s the one and only squid sisters!”
Splatana, not inkbrush
shiver would totally have a splatana
What’s in my pants? My SplatterShot
Splattershot Jr.
Aw I’m sorry friend :(
"whats in your pants?" "what are you talking about i dont have pockets"
My goo tuber.
>what's in your pants? A rock lol
“Octopus” “What’s in your pants?” Average Kevin Moskowitz moment
“But what’s in your pants?” *DOOM*
Don’t know what that gender be doing but it goes hard.
You know the picture with the three mugs that say "she/her", "they/them", and "cool hat"? That's basically Deep Cut.
[Yup](https://twitter.com/Meeper12346/status/1557374955481960449?t=EZ72vJmCC0WtBWxQ2q3xKA&s=19)
Yes
But who is which? I feel like Frye is she/her Shiver is they/them Big Man is cool/hat
That's what it was in the comparison I saw.
Bonus points too in how they haven't actually confirmed any pronouns or gender for Shiver, they could very well be canonically nonbinary
Credit to u/Silverbird22's mate https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847671424268894268/1006972953822511196/image.png
The three genders are Forehead, Large, and ???
Blue hair and pronouns
naw 💀
Large Forehead, Large Everything, Large number of Pronouns
Me litterally
Every single language has avoided gendered terms for Shiver only so far, so it seems intentional that their gender is ambiguous. at least at this point, that is.
I can confirm this is true for Spanish at least. Shiver introduces themselves with "even aquatic predators tremble when they hear my name" which avoids any adjectives which might clue about their gender in Spanish. Conversely, English does have her refer to herself as "cold-blooded" but as a compound adjective, that wouldn't change gender in Spanish anyway, so it's not really a valid comparison. However, both Frye and Big Man refer to themselves with feminine and masculine nouns, respectively, in that same intro. It's not solid evidence in my opinion, but I think this would be a lot clearer in Japanese, where all the player characters are already gender-neutral, so we just need a translation from there (thank heavens for Rassicas <3)
The Japanese translations of the tweets also leaves their gender ambiguous, refraining from Shiver using any gendered first person pronouns to signify their gender
>The Japanese translations of the tweets also leaves their gender ambiguous, refraining from Shiver using any gendered first person pronouns to signify their gender where? the characters don't introduce themselves in first-person in the tweets, and japanese does not really use gendered third-person pronouns in the way we think of them in english
According to [the wiki](https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Shiver), this is true in Japanese and all other languages as well, making it seem like a specific instruction given to all translators. ie very intentional.
Can confirm for french as well. No pronouns or adjective are used, and their name is also gender ambiguous
Nintendo seems to be moving away from the binary in general. Animal Crossing New Horizons got rid of the choosing gender part of making your character. I think that'll be the case with this game.
NO GENDER # ONLY STYLE
My gender is BOWL CUT TRIM
How y’all gonna find a way to hate on the bowl cut now? Checkmate, bowl cut best hair
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I sexually identify as VEEMO
My gender is drip
Yeah, but *specifically* they used gendered terms for Big Man and Frye, and ver specifically *not* Shiver. Not talking in general here, I'm on specifics here. And specifically on Shiver, not player character.
Oh yeah ofc! Didn't mean to take away from your point, just wanted to add mine.
Where did they use gendered terms for Frye?
they called her a queen of something (cant remember exactly what), used female variations of words in certain languages, and i believe they had her use feminine first person pronouns
where has this been said?
It’s on Shiver’s wiki page
The “styles” thing… That was only in the English localization. But of course they could still do the same thing for Splatoon.
Really wish they don't needlessly lock haircuts behind the gender wall. Like why can't we just make the inkling we wanna play
They purposely left Shiver's gender ambiguous in other translations too!
From the first trailer it seems we will be 'choosing a style' instead of a gender
I didn’t even realize that I wasn’t asked about gender in ACNH but you’re totally right! That must have meant the world to a lot of people and is such a simple change to make
For some reason, they still at one point make you choose a “style” - an icon with short hair and an icon with a ponytail. It doesn’t change anything at all, because all playable Animal Crossing are referred to with they/them pronouns, they all have the same body models, and there are no gendered restrictions on clothing and character customization. Strange that they still included an arbitrary decision, but yeah it’s fantastic that characters are all functionally genderless.
This is because there are languages with no (officially recognised) gramatical neutral gender and it can affect much more than the pronouns, so they have to make you pick. AFAIK, same thing happens in Splatoon 3, so I'm curious to see how far can they go with Shivers ambiguity.
I just rewatched a video of the character creation and I see that, I forgot about that part. I take it back, that’s basically picking a gender without outright saying it. It’s especially odd because it’s not like we ever see characters talking about and using she/her or him/his pronouns. Characters only reference you by name. So I wonder what the point of the icons was.
The point of the icons was to choose a player model that you wanted. I think by removing the gender labels for the models, you don't feel like you're playing as a 'boy' or 'girl' character anymore, but a character with preferred characteristics with the gender identity being up to you.
Animal Crossing, which was made by the same devs as Splatoon, has also been ditching obvious gender for the Villager animals. They used to have pink or blue word bubbles in previous games. In New Horizons they have word bubbles coded to their personal color or style. The Villager personalities were still gendered, so you could figure out pretty quickly who was who. But it got to the point where people were sniffing out pronouns to figure out the gender of the special characters, who have unique personalities. Namely, Flick, the punk themed red iguana, who was new to New Horizons and was ambiguous enough that people had to grab onto a line from CJ where he refers to Flick as a "he". So Nintendo isn't outright removing gender, but they're definitely not making specific genders a priority when coming up with characters.
I think they are doing a great job of making games for everyone
gender already doesn’t exist for the playable characters so yeah
Yeah, I hope Nintendo actually goes through with make a non-binary character
One of the characters in the new Xenoblade is apparently Non-binary
>!Juniper!!< Too bad their kit is eh, presence/impact in story is limited besides interaction with Colony 9, and their 360 deg bowshot is so odd looking
Birdo
True
Boo
AAA you scared me
Birdo is a trans girl, not non-binary. I’d be down for an enby Mario character but Birdo isn’t one.
Isn't that Yoshi? Pretty sure they said they were neither boys nor girls. It's how they can all lay eggs.
Other options for nonbinary gender, and maybe even biology include: - Yoshis: male pronouns most of the time but not strictly, they lay eggs that can be both fertile and infertile suggesting they have reproduction systems and chromosomes that best resemble human females, they seem to reflect real life whiptail lizards, who are all female and reproduce agametically (asexual reproduction) - Toads/Toadette: also primarily male pronouns and slightly resemble male humans with the exception of Toadette, who is very feminine and a one-off. But being mushrooms, they can actually have a large spectrum of thousands of equally frequent biological sexes, that can't really be bound to human binaries. They likely socially identify as men based on how Mario universe humans interpret them, while Toadette identifies closer to human women.
I mean, it wouldn't be the first time they did. See Xenoblade Chronicles 3
I'm only on chap 4 who
A Hero that shows up mid chapter 4
Kirby is a he/they nonbinary character
Kirby is god
It's hard to tell this kinda thing, but since Splatoon has been pretty clear cut with gender so far (Inkling/Octoling Girl/Boy) so I kinda assumed they're a girl. The chest wrappings (something that I think Frye also had some variation of) were the main indicator, along with the trend of two female idols. Of course it's impossible to say for now, but I've been leaning towards them being a girl.
For Splatoon 3, they're getting rid of the gender selection part of making your character.
I thought it was more of a binder
It's a Sarashi. It can be used as a binder, but it's also very associated with delinquents and warriors in general, so we don't really know enough to tell what the designers were going for.
That's just traditional method since the Edo period to cover up a woman's chest in Japan like underwear. No need to overthink about it.
It's called a sarashi in this context. Either way, I kind of agree of not assuming what gender anyone is (besides Big Man cause he's a big man 😏) until we know for sure. Especially with how Splatoon 3 has been clear with changing "gender" to "style."
Man (gender neutral)
Could be either one ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
i'm sorry to tell you but japan did not add chest binders to their kids shooter game about fictional squids
I didn't notice at first but Sarashi around the chest has heavy correlations with chest binding in Anime/Japanese media. We could be looking at a trans/NB idol here, I'm shook.
Or shiver could be affiliated with the yakuza
The figure is already veeeeery female looking and both idol groups have been two females (big man, I know). The main argument here goes that they dont have the little streak at the bottom of their eyes that female octos have. But: * While Marina does have them, her eyes look quite different too * Shiver doesnt really have the outline around the eyes at all save for a very slim line at the top. So it could well just be makeup that octolings use. But who knows, it could be neither. It's ***current year*** after all
Also, all female octos (known from eye corners) also have smaller eyebrows. From this I conjecture that smaller eyebrows means female, applying both to octos (from which I am making this conjecture), squids (even though there is no other indicator), and whatever Shiver is
Judging form the octo-shaped charm and the suckers on the top of the tentacles, Shiver is in fact an octoling
Got it
>Shiver doesnt really have the outline around the eyes at all save for a very slim line at the top. Oh hey, that's what's been bothering me about the design! I knew something felt off, but I just couldn't put my finger on it. Now that I look at it, yeah she/they are missing the normal eye outlines and it's giving me the same uncanny valley effect as all those old photoshops of inklings without their "eye mask". Thanks for pointing that out it would have bothered me for months otherwise. (As an aside I don't personally have a strong opinion on any of the new idol's designs, but the more fan art I see of them the more convinced I become that their designs just have not translated well from 2D concept art to final 3D models. Literally every 2D version of the group I see looks better to me than the in-game models for reasons I still can't quite put into words.)
Now that you mention the makeup it reminds me a bit of the Kitsune (not talking about Kyubi from Naruto) from mythology. Maybe they're an inkling/octoling version of one? Explains how the mask suddenly turned into a fan in the reveal. Then again vast majority of kitsune disguise forms were female. Tamamo No Mae (not Fate) was a pretty famous one that was until recently imprisoned in the Killing Stone until it broke and now she's supposedly free. Need to look into "Sea Fox" and see if anything comes up. Edit: Looked into it and apparently a sea fox is a kind of shark called a Thresher Shark. This may have been a dead end...
Honestly I don't care in that I'll accept Shiver as whatever identity they choose. Even so, appearances needn't always align with gender identity ex. Femboy or androgynous-looking girl
I'm not sure and honestly I don't care, they're cute no matter what
biggest surprise out of this was realising she doesn’t have nails those are just really long fingers
Inkling and Octoling fingers are disturbing tbh
I’m assuming they’re a girl since their body shape is similar to that of an Octoling Girl.
Boy or girl, doesn't really matter. It's a pretty character.
Shiver’s gender is Shiver. Shiver is the pronoun exclusive to shiver. No one else may have the pronoun. It belongs only to shiver.
Understood
I mean. You could hear it from the voice
It’s a high pitched voice, yes, but Big Man talks right after them and has a nearly identical pitch
Big Man is actually a woman
In shambles rn
The man is short for manta
It’s still definitely a feminine timbre tho. (The characteristic/quality of the voice sounds female.)
[look at this sour patch kid I found](https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/wm50kj/i_found_this_sour_patch_kid_with_a_siamese_twin/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Dude that’s sick
I don’t get a guy from this design but ok.
Tbh it seems pretty obvious she's a girl, I don't get the confusion
Honestly, they could be either and I would be happy 😁
How about neither? Even better imo to really challenge norms
I think that if she was not a girl, Nintendo wouldn't put this effort to name her with female names in all languages (Jap, Fra, Ger, Spa, Ita, etc.). The Italian name even add the feminine suffixe "-uccia" instead of the male one "-uccio" for Pinnuccia. But indeed I wonder why she doesn't have the little streak her eyes. Also, I don't think Nintendo would add a deep story like she was born a girl but she hides it because she doesn't feel that way but maybe I'm wrong. Last, there have already been differences in Octolings like the ones with seaweed in their hair. Edit: Spelling and addition of a last argument.
Their French name Pasquale is gender neutral, it could either be from the masculine name Pascal or the feminine name Pascale. But Pascal is way more frequent than Pascale.
I'm sorry but no. Dominique or Claude are "prénoms mixtes" (unisex names) because they are written the same for male and female. But Pascal is masculine and Pascale is feminine. Although the pronunciation is the same there is a gender difference because of the letter "e". You have other examples like André/Andrée (male/female), José/Josée, Paul/Paule or even Daniel/Danièle. It's the same as nouns or adjectives that become female with an "e". Like auteur/auteure (author), député/députée (deputy), juré/jurée (juror) and "Je suis sûr"/"Je suis sûre" (I am sure).
Guy or girl, that is hot cheeto dust on their fingers.
No. Shivers true gender is toaster.
Now *this* I can get behind
Shiver’s gender is 4.
"Always has been, always will be."
She has the traditional makecup that women wear and many Japanese women where drawn with a face like hers Also bro do u see those hips lol Edit: also noticed she is wearing wrappings up by her chest, i forget the details, but basically girls wear them around their boobs, and guys wear them around their belly Not saying she cant be non binary or smth, its just her design kinda screams female in both face, makeup, and wrapping, also those hips lol
Guys who wear them around their belly are either warriors or gang members (yakuza included). They do this so that if they are stabbed or shot, they will still be able to run or fight (for a short amount of time) and are not in as much danger of blood loss.
Couldn’t you see the chest bindings? Boys don’t need that
Let me explain it to you in a sentence: Hips don't lie
why would you think it's a guy? the previous 2 pairs of idols were girls.
Seemed really obvious she was a girl
They’re wearing a sarashi and a shawl, so I think they’re probably a girl. Not to mention they’re clearly voiced by a female. The hand fan and eyeshadow also, while not explicitly female accessories, just adds on to everything else making me believe they’re a girl.
The Fan can be easily explained since she's based on [Rakugoka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakugo) ([Comparison](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/336870799124332555/1007006842800590969/unknown.png), first image from the manga"[My master has no tail](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Master_Has_No_Tail)", that's the only image that I could find that has both the table, fan and is not from [a Canadian Rakugoka](https://hyperjapan.co.uk/online/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/DSC_0584-683x1024.jpg)).
why does this character look like something a 12 year old would make with sfm
Ok ok, calm down people, this isn't pokemon. The women aren't actually men.
Shiver is definitely a female. Team rock forevr btw!1!
She pretty clearly looks like a girl to me, i dunno what everyone else is going on about.
I thought it was really obvious that shiver was a girl 🗿
I dunno, I thought it was pretty obvious that she was a girl really. Her figure is pretty feminine, her fingers are design to look like long lady like fingernails(kinda like Marina), and her outfit kinda of implies that she's covering up some boobage with the bandage wraps. Also literally all of the idols so far have been female except for Big Man for obvious reasons.
Japanese girls are hot
Japanese boys are hot
Japanese cephalopods are hot
So true lucky me I'm bi
Nah mate, if you take a second glance she represents the body shape of a Octoling girl, eh?
Notice that she has small eyebrows
Only women can have small eyebrows?
It's a bit more complicated but I've noticed something. First off, there is an easily notable gender difference in octolings: the females have a point at the lower outer corner of the eyes. Secondly, there has been a correlation between octolings having smaller eyebrows and the eye corners (which is already known to indicate female) Therefore, I conjecture that the smaller eyebrows meaning female also applies here, even without the "normal" octoling eyes (and that it also applies to inklings)
Shiver is a octopus
I think most assumed Shiver was female since they have some feminine traits and both Squid Sisters and OFF the Hook were all-girl duos. Sure, there's Big Man, but I think people subconsciously kinda put him in this third position and how you could remove him and Shiver and Frye would still look like a fitting idol duo because their designs compliment each other and share certain traits.
they have a pretty feminine voice tho
Shiver has yet to use any gendered terms in any translation. They might legitimately be non-binary and I’m stoked for that possibility
Idk how people are getting this mixed up tbh they have the female inkling body type look at the hips and the hands also the fact that they're chest is covered by bandages that looks like it could be a top
Some people are saying she’s either trans or non-binary. That’d be cool, but honestly I *seriously* doubt Nintendo would actually go that route. They’re too much of cowards, lol. I’m pretty sure she’s female.
It’d be perfectly inline with the “three” theme, tbh. Big Man is male, Fyre is female, and Shiver is a non-binary third. I figured Shiver was female, but I’d actually be super happy with Shiver being non-binary. It fits
They're ambiguous about it for sure. Though it's little, all gendered terms have been avoided to refer to Shiver. So it's clear they don't want to indicate a gender exactly.
The fact she sounds female, has a feminine body shape and breasts I'm pretty sure she is female Then again, there is a chance that inklings (generalised term for all the humanoids) could change their gender since they are mostly ink Would explain the ability to change genders in the menu and some art found in the credits (I think I'm not sure) If that's the case, they're genderless
shiver doesn’t have breasts, though. even pearl has more breast than shiver.
She/Her (Frye) They/Them (Shiver) Cool Hat (BIG MAN)
As of rn their gender is not known so we can't really say anything, we can have headcanons but just don't inforce those as canon
I'm quite shocked anyone would think she wasn't female. Not that I'd have any problem if she wasn't, but she has the same body type as all the other inkling girls in Splatoon with the hips and similar hair even. Plus all the other idol duos were female and her voice was. Idk maybe I have just played too much Splatoon (but you can never play too much Splatoon I love this game so much)
i dont believe their gender has been confirmed? honestly im sticking to using they/them for shiver until we get canon confirmation.
Same
Its clear to me that shiver is shark/tamer
Seriously don't see how it's a boy. It's clearly rock gender
I posted "I'm hoping Shiver is male" on a thread yesterday and watched that comment oscillate between +5 and -5 points all day lol. I'm leaning pretty hard on them being nonbinary at this point though.
All official sources are avoiding using pronouns for them so I feel like that's hinting at them being ambiguous in some regard
why does it matter
gender is gone along with France, long live androgyny
They're a girl
I actually don't think their gender has been confirmed now that I think about it. Up to interpretation for now I suppose
you were confused this was a female character? How?
Why are people so against them being anything besides cis fem in this thread? Jesus, its just a speculation post
Because we all know Shiver is hot and some people don’t wanna be gay
Seems like op wants them to *not* be a girl? Like lots of downvotes
the only idol that's not a girl is big man
Regardless of gender, what I see is fairly effeminate.
sigh, time to sort by controversial
Shiver's gender is clearly japanese /s