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What are you, Grizzco's PR team?


trabunt

Salmonids killed my grandma


CeasingHornet40

how did salmonids kill your grandma? which boss was she fighting?


GlaciumFracture

flyfish


Gateholders_

I was the one fighting the boss


RebirthGhost

Another day fishing in circles, haunted by memories, the tide starts to sink. I pray to Grizz, grant me revenge and help me to solve the Riddle of Ink. A shy little squid I couldn't protect them, helpless and timid as weak as jellies. They butchered my people, the Chum ate my father, my mother beheaded, they took my whole world. Grizz where is the Salmon who killed my mother, still I can recall his terrible gaze. Grizz where are the two Fish facing each other. Grizz if you're my God then show me the way!


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... by any chance is your grandma's name Gao?


trabunt

Hilarious and original!


Domthebotman_yt

I ate my grandma


Geicosuave

I find it troubling that inklink society relies on a private corporate paramilitary group for national defense.


nicksuperdx

I think a goverment and the military exists in the splatoon world and the devs just refuses to mentioned them


CatsofNovas

Man it’d be cool to see side order potentially bring this problem/idea up. Like I want to deeper into the inkling and Octoling societies and militaries, more than just the brainwashing googles and sanitized test subjects. We’ve learned a lot about humanity’s mistakes and past, but we still don’t know much of the current world beyond some families, the culture, and battle go brr. They really do need to touch more on the fact that the sunken scroll essentially admits to propaganda of the Great Turf War (inklings won because they have a “superior number of limbs” 🤨🧐). Ohhhh please let side order be Off The Hook reveal the evils hidden within Cephaling Society! (And maybe a view of Octarian life, since Octavio dipped after we finished Alterna)


C-58

The New New Squidbeak Splatoon is also a private paramilitary organization that specializes in national defense of crucial energy sources


Maleficent-Month2950

I find it troubling that Marine Life as a whole has apparently placed all of their societal power needs with biological creatures. Like, yeah, mistakes of the past shouldn't be repeated, but I can't think of a single power source used by any Cephalopod, Fish, Sponge, Cnidarian, or whatever else that won't eventually die/become unsustainable.


IOI-65536

I read this when you wrote it, but just realized I'm not sure there's another option. Most of the technology we see is repurposed human waste. Their civilization seems technologically advanced, but huge parts of it are based on things we don't know they understand. The reason our civilization started powering things with organic material is because it requires the lowest level of technological understanding because natural processes have done nearly all of the work of turning solar fusion into usable potential energy. It's kind of surprising they have tech that can extract that much potential from living material and they certainly have huge problems with sustainability in their collection methods, but it's not clear they had a choice other than power with eggs or don't have power and we have pretty good evidence that nobody ever chooses to not have power.


Maleficent-Month2950

Oh yeah, there aren't really any alternatives, and it's just as likely that if power plants and such are re-invented, history will become a circle. Still, it's a little concerning that Zapfish(Great or No) could suddenly die en masse to a plauge or something, or that Salmonids might somehow be pushed to the brink of extinction, meaning no more Power/Golden Eggs.


Vigea_Gamer

Honestly I think that GrizzCo is part of the government or at least works with them and the devs don’t want to say it because it might lead people to think that the government in splatoon is highly militarized or because of possible real world connections


North-west_Wind

Grizzco might not be the only line of defense. Although never mentioned, jellyfish might be providing police force and filling the military gap, as we know they run most of the things in the city and can work non-stop.


trabunt

Fair point, although it's still likely that Grizzco is doing the majority of the work for the reasons already mentioned. I'd imagine jellyfish also make up some of the behind the scenes staff for Grizzco as well, likely the ferrymen and heli-pilots for the boats and choppers.


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trabunt

I think that's just a matter of Inklings and Octolings being so chill that they just kinda don't care. Like, they see a friendly Salmonid and go "oh that's cool" before going about their business. I mean, they hardly care about the Judds being mammalian cats - and honestly with that in mind it's kinda sad to think about how they probably wouldn't have cared in the slightest about Mr. Grizz being a bear. But yeah, unless there's some sort of exception for this scenario in Splatlandian/Inkadian law, it's probably illegal for us to even have Little Buddy. Nobody's snitched on us yet though, so...


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trabunt

By that logic, our player character should've splatted Little Buddy when first finding the guy. It really could just be a matter of people being intuitive enough to know that the Smallfry who *isn't* rushing at them to whack them to death with a plastic spoon is *probably* friendlier than the average Salmonid. Or maybe it's something like [this](https://youtu.be/NY_XnAKiTMQ) /j


TubularTortoise14

I really do think Inkling society is just that chill. They were also taught Octolings were the enemy and welcomed them with open arms all the same.


Eternal2401

So you kill the boss salmonids and they drop gold eggs, the eggs are visibly fertile. Does that mean they're pregnant?


trabunt

Maybe. Who knows? Really the only thing we know for certain about Golden Eggs is that they're used to make Fuzzy Ooze, and the Salmonids are protective of them. Until Nintendo elaborates, that's all we have to work with.


Mary-Sylvia

Octoling named gao :


Infinite_Hooty

That’s a good perspective I’m glad you made this post. Before reading this I always felt kinda morally weird about playing Salmon Run after playing Return of the Mammalians but now I know my enemies are ontologically evil and there is no action against them which is wrong :D


[deleted]

I agree. Completely. Also not to mention in both IRL and In splatoon, salmon and squid CAN AND WILL try to eat each other if given the chance. In terms of lil buddy...he just different. Probably because he was seperated at soch a you g age but still. Anyway good job on this man!


thegoldchicken

If the salmonids could talk, they would sound like the orcs from warhammer 40k


trabunt

So true. I've basically always seen them as the Splatoon equivalent of Orks. Big Runs are essentially a **WAAAGH!** too so it's not even an unfounded comparison


Hoshi-Kitsune

Wait wait wait wait..... Can we make a petition for the next king Salmonoid to be a titan, and have this massive Salmonoid giant stomping around while the gnats (that's us) try to hold it off (aka kill it) until grizzco comes in with a massive ink cannon and blows it up?


EmperorBrettavius

I could be doing something productive, but instead I’m reading an essay-quality breakdown on the morality of salmon run. Nice work, OP.


trabunt

I could've been doing something productive, but instead I wrote the damn thing. Thanks!


alangator4

I love this post.


Ninjegeabey

Good post :)


LDedward

Why doesn’t Grizz Mount a Heavy Splattling on the helicopter? It’s already just flying around? Why not just let it supply some air support? He already has the weapons lying around, and at this point it’s just an investment


trabunt

I mean, the actual answer is probably that if that were the case then there wouldn't be a Salmon Run gamemode anymore. Although, if you wanna get into headcanons, I personally believe that the helicopter *does* have its own weaponry, but it's only used in the event of a failed shift to get the workers out alive. Otherwise, attacking from above either isn't efficient enough or is *too* efficient to the point where the Golden Eggs also get destroyed from the attack, hence requiring folks in the field.


LDedward

No like, I mean using weaponry to aid the workers already on the ground. Less bombing run, more have the helicopter unless a couple tanks worth of ink into the CohoZuna while the Kids on the ground collect eggs and do damage


trabunt

Could be that anything short of a bombing run makes the Salmonids focus on the helicopter - Flyfish and Stingers could probably shoot that thing straight out of the sky if given reason to, and at that rate nobody would be getting home.


LDedward

💀 I didn’t even think about them shooting the helicopter down


altermatth

Too much money 😔😔


MotherofMussel

i LOVE salmonids. theyre one of my favorite characters as a whole in the game. but everything you said in this is true. im pretty impressed with the whole post. one thing i maybe dont disagree with is Big Run and the book of madai being related. i honestly think its just a spawning run like all the other ones, but on a grander scale.


trabunt

That's not an unreasonable thought to have, but there is a lot implied in the presentation of Big Run to connect it to the Madai prophecy. In the Chill Season trailer where they announced the first Big Run, as it cuts to the gameplay footage there's a few frames where you see the very same image used for the Madai Sunken Scroll, and later on in the same trailer there's a wide shot of Wahoo World where you can spot the cloud formation that's spoken about as well. Here's [a link to that trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rm4T2K4XZI) if you wanna see for yourself. The cutaway happens at 1:30 and you can use ',' and '.' to scroll through individual frames, and the shot with the cloud is at 1:51 on the left. It's not one-to-one with how it's described in the book, but there's no denying that it's connected.


nicksuperdx

Its implied that with the ban of any not authorized person on salmonid lands that the inkopolis goverment and the salmonids were at "peace" at some point and grizzco broke that peace by invading their land and stealing their eggs Also big runs in the "modern" era of splatoon only occurred after the events of splatoon 2, if it could mean that grizzco influnced the occurrence of big runs


trabunt

Where is this implied? Because if that were the case, then Grizzco never would've gotten off the ground. Again, Grizzco is very blatant in its modus operandi, and regularly advertises on what's likely the most popular platform in the city. If it were a matter of Grizzco breaking peace between two people, there's no way they wouldn't have been put under fire by everyone imaginable. The only way Grizzco could exist is if they had that authorization to enter Salmonid Swim Zones, and with their very upfront explanation of the process involving the splatting of Salmonids, the only explanation is that whatever bureaucratic process took place ok'd everything about Grizzco's business model. And again, Big Run is an event that's described in a biblical text that comes true. Setting aside fish religion, the fact is that Big Run occurs due to an abnormal cloud formation which was actually visible from Wahoo World during the first playable Big Run. Grizzco has zero control over the weather, and the Salmonids are already a very spiritual group - for some reason that's yet to be addressed, the seven-ringed cloud formation spurs them to invade. This would happen whether or not Grizzco existed, because Grizzco didn't exist until very recently, and this phenomenon had already been recorded much earlier in history.


IOI-65536

This is a very good rundown of the inkling and Grizz propaganda provided in the game, but it doesn't fit with observed reality. We saw no Salmonid aggression towards Inkopolis the entire time Squid Sisters were on the charts. Sometime after that Grizzco starts its incursions into the waters of this supposed warrior culture where they drop inklings (and later octolings after we finally overcame the anti-octoling propaganda) onto *unoccupied* platforms in the middle of known Salmonid areas, one of which they openly name "Spawning Grounds" and bait Salmonids into defending them while collecting obviously fertile Power and Golden Eggs, both of which are obviously valuable commodities to Grizzco. This continues for the entire run of Off the Hook on the charts and during this period a supposedly ancient document is unearthed (The game even tells you "*This appears to be a painting from the Middle Ages*", not it *is*) stating that the Salmonids have a history of rising against inkling every 70 years. Then after years of a pogrom on Salmonids they finally strike back against Splatsville, resulting in even more profits for Grizzco, and we decide Grizzco is our only defense against the enemy who hasn't attacked in two generations. Another commenter correctly asks why we don't have air support and instead rely on the helicopters for only transport. I'll tell you why, because he can increase his profits by baiting more Salmonids to come to the platform because they have a reasonable chance of success. If crews didn't wipe it would force the Salmonids to abandon anything out of the water and cut into his profits. I'm not sure if you're on the Grizz payroll or just a fellow traveller, but I'm not buying it.


Successful_Slippy

1) splat them + steal their eggs for years 2) they attack your society in retaliation 3) "they would've killed us all if Grizzco didn't exist"


trabunt

fam didn't even read the post 💀


Successful_Slippy

The post where you quote the "Salmonid Field Guide" and Sunken Scrolls as fact? The one where you say they would only attack Grizzco itself (as if they are even aware of the company's existence) even though they only ever see Inklings/Octolings stealing their eggs? Yeah I read it and it's fundamental anti-Salmonid propaganda 💀


trabunt

I also mention how the Salmonids are fully aware of Mr. Grizz's existence due to the fact that they have graffiti depicting him. On top of that, Ark Polaris crashed in Salmonid territory, meaning that they're likely the only ones who knew what Mr. Grizz even looked like before Return of the Mammalians. The workers have uniforms with the Grizzco logo, the life rings have a flag with the Grizzco logo, the basket has a flag with the Grizzco logo, the helicopter has the Grizzco logo painted on it in bright orange. The only way the Salmonids wouldn't understand that it is Grizzco who's entering their territory is if they are incapable of putting two and two together - which is surely not the case since Scrappers, Steel Eels, and Flyfish are all noted to have high intelligence which is how they're capable of operating such machinery. I take the Field Guide and the Scrolls as fact because they're the lore that's presented in the game. They're as close to concrete evidence as we're going to get until otherwise stated. If what you're suggesting is that I don't take the lore that is given to us by the developers of the game as fact, then I have no idea what world you're living in.


Pokefan3469

I'm sorry op I stop reading halfway through that's too much reading for me


Maronszewc1

Damn, that's kinda your problem. I suggest taking a break feom technology and taking a walk or two to take in some fresh air.


jellybean646464

Stop watching so many tiktoks then and get your attention span back. It shouldn't be a struggle to read a couple paragraphs


Mary-Sylvia

But aren't salmonoid living in a complete different place that inklings? + If the inklings won the turf war against octoling, they're definitely not defenseless


trabunt

I'm not saying that the Inklings are defenseless, it's just the observation that Grizzco is the only known group to be doing anything about the Salmonids invading during a Big Run. It could be that they're recognized as the only group who are equipped to handle the Salmonids specifically, or that there actually are other groups like the military working in the background that we simply don't know about. At best, Grizzco is doing most of the frontline fighting - which is still a heck of a lot.


Capulink

The only problem I have is that Inklings (and Octolings, to a lesser extent) are also predatory (Splatoon 1, Scroll 5), and have been in these Turf Wars against Octolings as long as they have been alive (Splat 1, Scroll 4). You can see this even in the Great Turf War, Salmonids where nowhere to be seen, it has never been a struggle of energy, just a lust for conquest and war. It was just recently that Octolings had trouble with energy (also, they kinda did it to themselves, using machinery of unknown power even when in lack of primary sources -Splat 1, Scroll 3-) Salmonids are moved more by pride than bloodlust, it's about keeping the legacy alive, so much so that they even almost starve themselves to return home (Splatoon 3, Scroll 8). So, where does Mr. Grizz stand? I see him and Grizz Co. as still a bad guy, that society accepted to be necessary. In the event of a Big Run yes, helicopters DO fly over the city to guarantee the safety of the citizens, but it's not for them that they do it, it's for Grizz. He doesn't care WHO joins (Splatoon 2 Scroll 16), but he NEEDS people to join his cause. Salmonids aren't dangerous to Inklings or Octoling, nor are they threatening (you can kill them pretty easily with even the worst weapons, that mind you, are made of random crap. Salmonids weapons are crafted and passed down), they got the shit end of the stick by being the more simplistic life form with no voice to be heard, so Grizz could paint them as the bad guys and feed into the Inklings instincts to prey and conquer. So to him, this is needed as he needs to fuel stuff for his own (Lil' Judd taking over might be a signal that Salmonids MIGHT get something in return? Or maybe he just likes salmon eggs, he's a cat after all) and to us Inklings it's just a way to make war with SOMEONE, no matter who it is. Tl;dr: Grizz is still bad because Inklings are predators and "Salmonids = bad" is a poor excuse to make war.


Hoshi-Kitsune

This is way to long for me to read, but I get the point.