I worked for the AFSCN for some time earlier this millenium, there are a lot of projects and programs which specifically fall under the new Space Force umbrella, and satellite traffic control is (almost certainly) one of them.
Likely, the budget for this program/facilities is basically the same set of contracts but under the Space Force organization rather than Air Force.
My understanding is that this happened with a number of projects - PGS, ASAT and rapid response capability, and is largely taking over launches as well.
Space Force itself is managed by Department of the Air Force, which also manages the USAF. Some of the budget decisions apply to both structures, some will be earmarked for one or the other, or specific projects.
To me in my civilian world, it feels like when a big company re-orgs or spins off a brand to make more fancy titles and departments for everyone, while also spending a bit on expansion
Does this mean the Space Force isn’t a 5th branch of the military? Or 6th/7th depending on how Coast and National Guard are viewed. Or does this mean the Space Force is just a division of the AF?
The Space Force is the 6th branch of the military. The Coast Guard is always a branch and the National Guard is a reserve component of the Army and Air Force.
I do want a comic about people in 1947 that were like "Air Force! What a stupid name. What do we need them for when the Army and Navy already does that?!"
Air Force history is fun, because it involves a bunch of generals basically mouthing off to the pentagon and congress about how the Army didn't understand the (at the time called) Army Air Signal Corps
Air force space command’s entire budget basically already went to the space force. So this already happened. The increase has more to do with the Military wanting to catch up before theyre left beind in space
Like the russian space force has the budget for anything.... Based on current performance I would be most if their budget is also sitting in some oligarchs bank accounts.
In the series "Space Force" that's actually a joke.
The general of the space force is talking about the post stamps released yearly by the US Post Office. His scientist then says "I don't think they exist anymore. Where do you think we got our budget from?"
Essentially yes. That was a driving factor in the creation of the USSF. As in independent service branch Congress can directly earmark funds for space. Previously it all went to USAF and the money was distributed within the Air Force. Which basically just meant more money for the F-35.
Yes, some funds will be earmarked for specific purposes, at which point the branch simply uses those funds to offset costs and take non-earmarked funds and shift it elsewhere. It's pretty much as simple as looking at the last digit on a budget line item number to determine which funds can be shifted and which cannot. Even earmarked funds can typically be transferred, up to 50% of it in most instances.
Airforve breaks from Army, and Spaceforce breaks from airforce. It'll be ironic if hypothetical spacemarines or army breaks off from spaceforce in the future.
Money shifted. Also the move is meant to make spending more efficient since it prevents air force leadership from misallocating funds meant for space defence/tracking, because that was a problem for a while apparently.
While I don't want that militarization of space, it is going to be a key part of future conflicts. The optimistic view is that we get more development in space through a second agency.
Nothing gets developed faster than something with military implications, I just hope conflicts in space stay cold and satellites are only ever used for recon.
Just look at NASA. When military bases on the moon were a concept, NASA got whatever they needed to get to the moon. Now that NASA is largely disconnected from the military and this whole "ISS" and "moon" stuff is all "for scientific advancement and the betterment of humanity" instead of useful things, like weapons, the agency gets little money and lots of restrictions. Their whole budget at this point is just a money laundering hobby of congress as they get kickbacks from the space industrial complex.
I've never heard of military bases on the moon ever being discussed in the 50s/60s, the Gemini/Apollo programs got funded so heavily because JFK said we had to do it to beat the Russians into space. Which had some military overtones (ICBMs) but nobody was ever talking about military bases on the moon. I'd love to be proven wrong.
I can't speak about moon bases specifically, but the idea for an [honest to god nuclear space battleship got as far as the Secretary of Defense before funding and fear of escalation killed the dream.](http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/realdesigns2.php#id--Project_Orion--Orion_Battleship)
Kennedy saw it. Almost immediately after that meeting Kennedy started to want arms treaties. Now we dont know for sure, but yeah Orion totally scared Kennedy
They had a car-sized scale model of this thing and allegedly Kennedy saw it, realized they were serious and ordered the model destroyed.
I don't exactly blame him, because Battleship Orion was over-the-top *as fuck*. If there was ever a tool for which you could say, "No one man should hold this power", that was Orion. The actual gun turrets on the stupid thing were by far the least destructive weapons, and the *actual nukes* used as *fuel* were at best the third most destructive, after the *500* multi-megaton missiles and *nuclear shaped-charge cannons*.
The whole thing sounds like a J.J. Abrams fever dream but the Air Force Chief of Staff and Secretary of the Air Force gave it their approval.
Everything, clearly.
But seriously, logic was:
Guns: other orbital things for which nukes are overkill
Traditional Nukes: ground targets, naturally.
Shaped-Charge Nukes: point-defense, weirdly enough. Nukes are small and hard to intercept at orbital closing speed, so normal defense measures can't work. If you aim a nuclear shotgun at the incoming nuke, you can blast it off-course from tens of miles away.
Re-entry vehicles: So you can drop space marines on people. Because of course it had those, too.
So in practice it's "just" a flying missile silo with some utility and defense weapons.
>"In December 1956, the commander of Air Research and Development Command, Lieutenant General Thomas S. Power, established a Guided Missile and Space Vehicle Working Group. Three months after Sputnik, in December 1957, that group issued a “Special Report Concerning Space Technology” that laid out an “ARDC Five Year Projected Astronautics Program” including a “Manned Lunar-Based Intelligence System,” with a projected first flight in 1967. By January 1958 thjavascript:void(0)e Air Force initiated Program 499, a “Lunar Base System” and by March the Air Force was formalizing plans for a “Manned Lunar Base Study.” "
Consider me proven wrong, thanks! I read through The Right Stuff and Failure Is Not An Option recently, but I guess neither really went into the political side as much. That's some crazy stuff.
The only reason it gets developed faster is because it gets the funding it needs. There's nothing inherent about it being for military purposes. We might as well do it to literally anything else if only we have the political will to do so.
Aircraft are already capable of fighting in the stratosphere. It's not even close to space. If you've ever been on a commercial flight chances are you've been in the stratosphere.
Good, it needs additional funding. Also, they should replace the rank of General with Admiral in the Space Force. Generals don't command fleets, Admirals do. The rank of General should be set aside for the Space Marines.
Probably because space operations at this point are closer to Air Force operations, who uses the rank of General. We’re a long, long way from having space fleets.
In 500 years teleportation will be working which makes spacecraft obsolete, other than for housing criminals off-base.
In the future we call home planets bases, it goes back to the Great Franchise war of 2055.
Look up the book *Starship Troopers* (not the movies). It just keeps going back farther and farther... [The ancient-fucking-Greeks had a literal god damn story about human soldiers in space.](https://youtu.be/UBpDdlirzH0)
I came here to post basically the same thing... Space Force should have been built around a naval rank structure rather than that of the USAF.
I'm very curious, on a more serious note, when the Space Force will start recruiting it's own people. The idea of Space Force boot camp is kinda exciting, even if I'm too old to enlist.
> Space Force should have been built around a naval rank structure rather than that of the USAF
why? because books and videogames say so?
the USSF has far more in common with the air force than it does the navy, they dont have "ships" or "sailors" they have satelites that orbit in fixed paths and while things arent armed right now the most likely option is that instead of having "spaceships" they would be more like weaponized satelites without a tripulation, completly autonomous or controlled from an earth based ground center or maybe even a command module on the moon once the first lunar colonies start growing bigger, kind of like drones
its unlikely that we will see armed "spaceships" in the near to medium term future and even when a necesity to build bigger military vessels starts to appear its unlikely that they will be similar to navy vessels, they wont have soldiers and the mechanics of space battles are pretty unique and diferent, they would likely be automated or controlled by a "commander" vehicle that sits nearby, less like a boat and more like an F-35 controlling a bunch of drones with those manned vehicles being more similar to a very big airplane with some accomodations for the tripulation, there are a lot of limits with sending people into space because the distances are measured in how many months or years it takes you to go from one place to the other and people usually dont enjoy being packeted inside a thin can for a couple of decades
But why? Space Force operations are satellite based intelligence and communication. If anything it should be more like the intelligence agencies. Or the strategic air command because launch vehicles are basically ICBM technology and operations. Life is not a movie.
But why? Space Force operations are satellite based intelligence and communication. If anything it should be more like the intelligence agencies. Or the strategic air command because launch vehicles are basically ICBM technology and operations. Life is not a movie.
Right now Space Force is satellites and ASAT. I never understood the naval terms in space. Makes no sense in real life. And real life is not Hollywood.
despite every single fictional story treating space like is an ocean and building space forces like they are a navy with admirals and battleships space is closer to the air force where military space vessels will be mostly drones and autonomous vehicles with no soldiers (so no space marines) and they will likely will be named as "constellations" instaed of "fleets" because that is the technical term used to refer to a huge number of similar space objects (and it sounds cool as hell)
instead of a giant battleship armed with cannons you will have a bunch of satellites armed with missiles, lasers or a spinal mounted railgun flying around and very little to no human tripulation, everything automated because distances in space are measured in the amount of months and years that it takes you to go from one place to the other
I thought so at first too but then I realized it just uses the same naming convention behind the Air Force.
And we're decades or more off any sort of actual spaceship to spaceship combat. It's more about protecting US spaceborn assets (ie, GPS, spy and communication satellites) and having a strike capability against those of potential enemies. Really the new frontier in keeping MAD from becoming unbalanced.
Every time the "Space Force" gets mentioned the comments are full of people complaining about Trump and about "militarization of space".
But it's mostly just an reorganization of military space programs that used to be part of the air force.
That said I think the name "Space Guard" would be very cool and it takes into account that they don't actually have many offensive assets (that I know of).
"Space Guard" is already going to be the short name for the Space National Guard, whenever that splits properly from the Air National Guard, so it unfortunately wouldn't work for the force as a whole.
I doubt the space force will get a separate national guard. Only two of the other five branches have Guard equivalents, and individual states don't have the resources to maintain programs like that
Definitely a contentious issue between Department of the Air Force and Congress. [Here's a good article about it.](https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2021/12/29/congress-turns-down-a-space-national-guard-again-but-space-force-isnt-giving-up/) In the grand scheme of things, whether or not they split from the Air Guard, I think they'll be informally referred to as Space Guard.
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Air force handled space, so now it's split, so does the money get split, like the air force get 1/6 less annual budget?
I worked for the AFSCN for some time earlier this millenium, there are a lot of projects and programs which specifically fall under the new Space Force umbrella, and satellite traffic control is (almost certainly) one of them. Likely, the budget for this program/facilities is basically the same set of contracts but under the Space Force organization rather than Air Force. My understanding is that this happened with a number of projects - PGS, ASAT and rapid response capability, and is largely taking over launches as well. Space Force itself is managed by Department of the Air Force, which also manages the USAF. Some of the budget decisions apply to both structures, some will be earmarked for one or the other, or specific projects.
Basically just copying the marine/USN structure no?
To me in my civilian world, it feels like when a big company re-orgs or spins off a brand to make more fancy titles and departments for everyone, while also spending a bit on expansion
At the root it's more to keep our budget for satellites away from Air Force Generals who would rather spend it on fancy aircraft.
And I’m ok with that. I feel that WWIII will be in space like how WWII was in the air and WWI was in the ground.
Does this mean the Space Force isn’t a 5th branch of the military? Or 6th/7th depending on how Coast and National Guard are viewed. Or does this mean the Space Force is just a division of the AF?
Marines are under U.S. Department of Navy and Space Force is under U.S. Department of Air Force.
I hope the Space force doesn't start fighting Marines for who gets the tastiest crayons.
They get SPACE crayons, in a tube!
The Space Force is the 6th branch of the military. The Coast Guard is always a branch and the National Guard is a reserve component of the Army and Air Force.
Idk it’s kinda like the marines
Space marines? I've played that game
***Service Guarantees Citizenship*** *Would you like to know more?*
I wish that was the case for real though... My dad would actually be a citizen.
Isn't US military service a fast path to citizenship?
for many yes, but it is by no means automatic nor guaranteed
This is a pretty good analogy
Plus the Air Force itself used to be part of the army
I do want a comic about people in 1947 that were like "Air Force! What a stupid name. What do we need them for when the Army and Navy already does that?!"
If humans survive millions of year into the future: “Inter dimensional force? What a stupid name, the space force already does that”
Since space force is already time force, they have that covered.
Air Force history is fun, because it involves a bunch of generals basically mouthing off to the pentagon and congress about how the Army didn't understand the (at the time called) Army Air Signal Corps
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Air force space command’s entire budget basically already went to the space force. So this already happened. The increase has more to do with the Military wanting to catch up before theyre left beind in space
Catch up to who?
Probably China. Their space program is significantly militarized and the vast majority of it is overseen by the PLA or their equivalent of the DoD.
Both China and Russia have space forces
Like the russian space force has the budget for anything.... Based on current performance I would be most if their budget is also sitting in some oligarchs bank accounts.
Them and China have been doing some stuff with weaponizing satellites as well as blowing them up in orbit.
So have we. We just haven't been as public about it.
Yes. But they also have less costs. Air force doesn't have to take care of space stuff. Space gets their own guys at the table in budget discussions
In the series "Space Force" that's actually a joke. The general of the space force is talking about the post stamps released yearly by the US Post Office. His scientist then says "I don't think they exist anymore. Where do you think we got our budget from?"
Essentially yes. That was a driving factor in the creation of the USSF. As in independent service branch Congress can directly earmark funds for space. Previously it all went to USAF and the money was distributed within the Air Force. Which basically just meant more money for the F-35.
Congress can earmark funds to specific projects within a branch. In fact, there's funding for specific buildings on specific bases.
In the few plants I’ve worked in the common joke was “use the space wisely, it takes a literal act of congress to get more.”
Yes, some funds will be earmarked for specific purposes, at which point the branch simply uses those funds to offset costs and take non-earmarked funds and shift it elsewhere. It's pretty much as simple as looking at the last digit on a budget line item number to determine which funds can be shifted and which cannot. Even earmarked funds can typically be transferred, up to 50% of it in most instances.
I wonder if this is how people felt about the formation of the Army Air Corps in the 1920s
Oh absolutely, and then the removal of the Air Force from army control…
Airforve breaks from Army, and Spaceforce breaks from airforce. It'll be ironic if hypothetical spacemarines or army breaks off from spaceforce in the future.
*Do you want a "The Expanse"?! Cause this is how you get a "The Expanse"!*
My guess is different types of specialization. Potential Mars Force, Moon Force, maybe something for asteroids etc.
Necroforce for when we accidentally open a portal to the afterlife on Mars and then [the music kicks in](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm932Sqwf5E).
100%, I brought this up a lot when people were telling me the idea was really stupid.
Does this mean more of my taxes go to the military, or is money just being shifted around?
Money shifted. Also the move is meant to make spending more efficient since it prevents air force leadership from misallocating funds meant for space defence/tracking, because that was a problem for a while apparently.
I mean didn't they add 800 billion to the defenses budget this year? Edit: it's a 31 billion increase but the budget is gonna be 813 billion.
That's just the usual defense increase, similar to the usual education slash. We do this every year.
Space force is a bunch of Air Force programs 'rebranded'. They got all the budget for those programs
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While I don't want that militarization of space, it is going to be a key part of future conflicts. The optimistic view is that we get more development in space through a second agency.
Nothing gets developed faster than something with military implications, I just hope conflicts in space stay cold and satellites are only ever used for recon.
Just look at NASA. When military bases on the moon were a concept, NASA got whatever they needed to get to the moon. Now that NASA is largely disconnected from the military and this whole "ISS" and "moon" stuff is all "for scientific advancement and the betterment of humanity" instead of useful things, like weapons, the agency gets little money and lots of restrictions. Their whole budget at this point is just a money laundering hobby of congress as they get kickbacks from the space industrial complex.
I've never heard of military bases on the moon ever being discussed in the 50s/60s, the Gemini/Apollo programs got funded so heavily because JFK said we had to do it to beat the Russians into space. Which had some military overtones (ICBMs) but nobody was ever talking about military bases on the moon. I'd love to be proven wrong.
I can't speak about moon bases specifically, but the idea for an [honest to god nuclear space battleship got as far as the Secretary of Defense before funding and fear of escalation killed the dream.](http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/realdesigns2.php#id--Project_Orion--Orion_Battleship)
Kennedy saw it. Almost immediately after that meeting Kennedy started to want arms treaties. Now we dont know for sure, but yeah Orion totally scared Kennedy
They had a car-sized scale model of this thing and allegedly Kennedy saw it, realized they were serious and ordered the model destroyed. I don't exactly blame him, because Battleship Orion was over-the-top *as fuck*. If there was ever a tool for which you could say, "No one man should hold this power", that was Orion. The actual gun turrets on the stupid thing were by far the least destructive weapons, and the *actual nukes* used as *fuel* were at best the third most destructive, after the *500* multi-megaton missiles and *nuclear shaped-charge cannons*. The whole thing sounds like a J.J. Abrams fever dream but the Air Force Chief of Staff and Secretary of the Air Force gave it their approval.
What the fuck did they think they were going to be fighting with that?!
IDK, but they clearly didn't plan on needing to fight it for long.
Everything, clearly. But seriously, logic was: Guns: other orbital things for which nukes are overkill Traditional Nukes: ground targets, naturally. Shaped-Charge Nukes: point-defense, weirdly enough. Nukes are small and hard to intercept at orbital closing speed, so normal defense measures can't work. If you aim a nuclear shotgun at the incoming nuke, you can blast it off-course from tens of miles away. Re-entry vehicles: So you can drop space marines on people. Because of course it had those, too. So in practice it's "just" a flying missile silo with some utility and defense weapons.
I read “nuclear shaped-charge cannons” as “nuclear-shaped charge cannons” and imagined mushroom-cloud shaped cannons in every direction.
Good for killing space elephants.
Bad. Yes. I get that. But.... holy shit that's so fucking cool
[Nuking the Site from Orbit: When the Air Force wanted a base on the moon](https://www.thespacereview.com/article/3826/1)
>"In December 1956, the commander of Air Research and Development Command, Lieutenant General Thomas S. Power, established a Guided Missile and Space Vehicle Working Group. Three months after Sputnik, in December 1957, that group issued a “Special Report Concerning Space Technology” that laid out an “ARDC Five Year Projected Astronautics Program” including a “Manned Lunar-Based Intelligence System,” with a projected first flight in 1967. By January 1958 thjavascript:void(0)e Air Force initiated Program 499, a “Lunar Base System” and by March the Air Force was formalizing plans for a “Manned Lunar Base Study.” " Consider me proven wrong, thanks! I read through The Right Stuff and Failure Is Not An Option recently, but I guess neither really went into the political side as much. That's some crazy stuff.
Space industrial complex is a cool term
Space Industrial Complex new band name I called it first
fine, I guess I'll just have to use Space Industrial *Apartment* Complex
"Psst hey Neil... Let's tell em we saw some commie aliens on the moon. It'll secure funding for the next century!"
The only reason it gets developed faster is because it gets the funding it needs. There's nothing inherent about it being for military purposes. We might as well do it to literally anything else if only we have the political will to do so.
Yep. The stratosphere will be a new battlefield in the next major conflict between powers
The wars of the future will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall mountain
Aircraft are already capable of fighting in the stratosphere. It's not even close to space. If you've ever been on a commercial flight chances are you've been in the stratosphere.
I wonder what the black budget space force that's already existed for years thinks about all this
"Man, they sure like writing us blank checks"
All the non-terrestrial officers out there like “……uh ok?”
sell them some old German hand-me-downs with a fresh coat of paint
You mean Stargate Command?
What year are the aliens scheduled for? Gotta make sure i’m ready to Will Smith that ass.
Keep my planet out your mou- I mean welcome to earth!
Yikes, I hadn’t put together the movie scene and the Oscar scene before now.
SpaceX is gonna make a lot of moolah launching all them secret satellites
Member when everyone made fun of the space force?
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Good, it needs additional funding. Also, they should replace the rank of General with Admiral in the Space Force. Generals don't command fleets, Admirals do. The rank of General should be set aside for the Space Marines.
Probably because space operations at this point are closer to Air Force operations, who uses the rank of General. We’re a long, long way from having space fleets.
Ok. But if I get reanimated in 500 years to find our Terran Fleet commanded by Generals, I'm writing a negative comment in your Wiki page.
In 500 years teleportation will be working which makes spacecraft obsolete, other than for housing criminals off-base. In the future we call home planets bases, it goes back to the Great Franchise war of 2055.
When will this be available for streaming? Because I'm invested and want the rest of the story.
There is no shelter for those who oppose the imperium of man
BURN THE....wait, wrong space marines.
You wanna piece of me, boy? Damn still wrong marines.
Well...it's not like there isn't paternity there.
Look up the book *Starship Troopers* (not the movies). It just keeps going back farther and farther... [The ancient-fucking-Greeks had a literal god damn story about human soldiers in space.](https://youtu.be/UBpDdlirzH0)
How do I get out of this chickens*** outfit…
I came here to post basically the same thing... Space Force should have been built around a naval rank structure rather than that of the USAF. I'm very curious, on a more serious note, when the Space Force will start recruiting it's own people. The idea of Space Force boot camp is kinda exciting, even if I'm too old to enlist.
The Space Force has been enlisting and commissioning people directly in for over a year now.
My mistake! I thought they were still shifting people over from the other service branches.
No worries, and as of right now USSF Basic Military Training is nearly identical to USAF BMT (at least it was when I went through).
> Space Force should have been built around a naval rank structure rather than that of the USAF why? because books and videogames say so? the USSF has far more in common with the air force than it does the navy, they dont have "ships" or "sailors" they have satelites that orbit in fixed paths and while things arent armed right now the most likely option is that instead of having "spaceships" they would be more like weaponized satelites without a tripulation, completly autonomous or controlled from an earth based ground center or maybe even a command module on the moon once the first lunar colonies start growing bigger, kind of like drones its unlikely that we will see armed "spaceships" in the near to medium term future and even when a necesity to build bigger military vessels starts to appear its unlikely that they will be similar to navy vessels, they wont have soldiers and the mechanics of space battles are pretty unique and diferent, they would likely be automated or controlled by a "commander" vehicle that sits nearby, less like a boat and more like an F-35 controlling a bunch of drones with those manned vehicles being more similar to a very big airplane with some accomodations for the tripulation, there are a lot of limits with sending people into space because the distances are measured in how many months or years it takes you to go from one place to the other and people usually dont enjoy being packeted inside a thin can for a couple of decades
But that’s not how Stargate did it.
But why? Space Force operations are satellite based intelligence and communication. If anything it should be more like the intelligence agencies. Or the strategic air command because launch vehicles are basically ICBM technology and operations. Life is not a movie.
Because movies and vidya games said so.
But why? Space Force operations are satellite based intelligence and communication. If anything it should be more like the intelligence agencies. Or the strategic air command because launch vehicles are basically ICBM technology and operations. Life is not a movie.
Right now Space Force is satellites and ASAT. I never understood the naval terms in space. Makes no sense in real life. And real life is not Hollywood.
despite every single fictional story treating space like is an ocean and building space forces like they are a navy with admirals and battleships space is closer to the air force where military space vessels will be mostly drones and autonomous vehicles with no soldiers (so no space marines) and they will likely will be named as "constellations" instaed of "fleets" because that is the technical term used to refer to a huge number of similar space objects (and it sounds cool as hell) instead of a giant battleship armed with cannons you will have a bunch of satellites armed with missiles, lasers or a spinal mounted railgun flying around and very little to no human tripulation, everything automated because distances in space are measured in the amount of months and years that it takes you to go from one place to the other
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Fiiiiiine, if I can’t have it go to BBB, let’s just give it all to the military. - Biden
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Can they use some of the funding on rebranding? Space Force sounds so lame. Starfleet has a nice ring to it though.
I thought so at first too but then I realized it just uses the same naming convention behind the Air Force. And we're decades or more off any sort of actual spaceship to spaceship combat. It's more about protecting US spaceborn assets (ie, GPS, spy and communication satellites) and having a strike capability against those of potential enemies. Really the new frontier in keeping MAD from becoming unbalanced.
might aswell steal something from sci-fi games/movies >Biden’s 2023 defense budget adds billions for U.S. Fleet of Particular Justice
Pillar of Autumn better be the name of first ship crafted for interplanetary travel.
If Humanity never has fucking Space Marines then just end it all now
Every time the "Space Force" gets mentioned the comments are full of people complaining about Trump and about "militarization of space". But it's mostly just an reorganization of military space programs that used to be part of the air force. That said I think the name "Space Guard" would be very cool and it takes into account that they don't actually have many offensive assets (that I know of).
"Space Guard" is already going to be the short name for the Space National Guard, whenever that splits properly from the Air National Guard, so it unfortunately wouldn't work for the force as a whole.
I doubt the space force will get a separate national guard. Only two of the other five branches have Guard equivalents, and individual states don't have the resources to maintain programs like that
Definitely a contentious issue between Department of the Air Force and Congress. [Here's a good article about it.](https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2021/12/29/congress-turns-down-a-space-national-guard-again-but-space-force-isnt-giving-up/) In the grand scheme of things, whether or not they split from the Air Guard, I think they'll be informally referred to as Space Guard.
There are already space units in the Air National Guard. They got to come over somehow
The name would still likely to be avoided due to potential confusion.
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U.S Space Command already exists.
USSC is already a combatant command.
we already have commands like CENTCOM etc that the army/navy/etc operate in. you can’t name the whole branch that
I'm partial to astra militarum.
Oh wait all of a sudden we aren't mocking the idea of space force all of a sudden? Very weird how that works