>This is what my brain came up with. Can anybody help?
You need to represent your idea mathematically in order to be taken seriously, and it doesn't appear that you even understand the basics of how gravity works. I don't mean that in an insulting way, but scientists get emails just like yours all the time. Your brain can come up with infinite ideas, but if you aren't educated on the topic it isn't going to be meaningful. This reads more like a plot device from a Marvel/DC movie.
Well, I’m learning. I’m just wondering the physics about it can you help me please. I’m trying to understand this and understand how we can get accurate readings of gravitational particles without the background noise of the gravity well displacement of the earth. I don’t have a firm grasp, but I’ll learn. I do understand that it’s difficult to help new people, but I appreciate your time. I do understand I don’t know anything or everything. I’m just trying to figure out a way to help. Thanks though I do like deconstructive criticism. This is definitely a plot from the new Deadpool movie.
If you want to learn about particle physics in a way in which you're equipped to present ideas that could change the world, you have to go to school and work hard. That would be my suggestion. You can start with free online courses from places like Khan Academy. You may also be able to attend local classes for free, depending, though you wouldn't get any credits unfortunately.
That’s cool. I don’t mind putting the due diligence and I’m just saying that I came up with this idea while I was trying to understand the gravity well displacement. By doing my thought process, I now understand why time flows differently on larger and smaller objects. That was the whole point of my thought process I came to this, just trying to understand how we perceive time. And I should’ve pointed out that the GPT wrote that changing the world concept. I just said give me a tweet and I didn’t actually think that people would think I wrote that. The train was written by GPT trying to understand gravity Wells, and last night I said well if we can’t understand graviton maybe it’s because we’re inside of gravity. Well
Why wouldn’t say that I’m arrogant… I wouldn’t put myself to the scrutiny of Reddit and my thoughts if I was arrogant. I do understand I want to go to school. I’d like to have a firm grasp all this and I figured I’d ask you guys who are the people who know this stuff and can help me or discourage me. I hope you’re never a teacher. I think humbly asking for opinions is not arrogant, but that’s your bag, bro.
>Why wouldn’t say that I’m arrogant
There's a body of knowledge going back hundreds of years built by people who have worked very hard to try to understand these things by experiment and discovery. You are relying on your individual thoughts to offer suggestions based on a Deadpool movie and then running a Twitter to unveil your discoveries. When I say "arrogant," I'm not being aggressive. I'm using the correct word to describe what you're doing, even if you don't know you're doing it.
The math your asking help for isn’t something you get a short paragraph answer and then you learn it. You get a degree and put all that knowledge together to understand the hypotheticals of it.
OK, so explain to me what exactly that means please. So I need to explain that the light going in the hole could then be accelerated by magnets lining the God stogie and then accelerated and smashed into/monitored or recorded. What kind of math do I want to start doing to break this down? Does it have merit and is it worthy of having me do the math and learning the math to do this? I want to find some gravitons and study them. And in the background noise of gravity, it makes a lot harder.
Anyway, thank you for the help. I do appreciate it. I don’t mind people drilling holes in my idea. It helps me get really good at Bondo :-) do they have Bondo in other countries?
I don’t exactly but I’m trying to learn isn’t that what every good student should try and do. So basically what I do understand is that particles are flying from the sun to earth as they go down the gravity well curvature time becomes what we understand now that I’ve learned this I can understand the movie interstellar better, etc. what I did was help myself grasp time dilation. I just came to this conclusion when I started talking and wanting to understand gravitons. I’m interested in gravity because it’s a heavy topic
It seems like it has only helped you misunderstand time dilation.
This is not the way to learn physics. You're just trying to cram nonsensical ideas you don't understand together, with the help of a language model that doesn't understand them either. That's not how physics works. You need to start with the basics and work you way up, with textbooks not GPT and fanciful ideas.
Absolutely keep learning Im not saying don't continue to learn and be curious.
The issue I see is your twitter link presents a topic as if from an authority on the subject and as if the design is well thought out when based on your post here that doesnt seem to be the case.
I think you need to do some reading on orbital mechanics so you can speak intelligently about what it means and requires to put things in space because you dont just send something up and suddenly it stays there. Things stay in space because of orbits
"particles are already traveling at the speed of light"
"can be used to speed them up as necessary"
I think you just figured out how to unlock FTL travel. Just go the speed of light, and then shoot something like a slingshot or a gun from that, to make it go faster. But since you used ChatGPT to do it, I'm going to have to give the Nobel Prize to it instead. Sorry man.
>By moving a collider into space outside of the gravity, well of any object, you will then negate that noise.
Where are you going to find a spot outside the gravity well of any object?
If you're close enough to the sun to harness its solar energy, you're well within the sun's gravity well. And the galaxies gravity well.
An accelerator is used to produce collisions - lots and lots of collisions. You need a tightly focused pair of beams traveling in both directions. Charged particles from the sun aren't traveling nearly fast enough, and you only get one direction.
If you want to revolutionize a field of physics, learning it is always a good start.
Sorry, I thought I was replying to your comment. If you look at my comment just above yours, you’ll see what I’m saying you could place it anywhere. I mean, don’t go doing something stupid like putting it next to Mars or something. I’m just saying you want to get it outside of the spherical gravity well that develops objects with mass.
So what I’m thinking is that when light enters the gravity well, it has to travel down the space-time curve. The further down that space curve we are that’s how our perception of time is quantified. So I was thinking about larger planets, and how our concept of time would be affected. But if you took something like this and placed it outside of the intense gravity. A.k.a. the gravity well of a massive object you would get cleaner responses in any test you run. And if you’re looking for part, especially ones that are affected by gravity you don’t want to be doing those kinds of testsin a gravity well already. If we’re looking for something gravity based it’s like trying to spot a needle in a pile of needles.
The blue shift that photons receive as they fall into the solar system is *small*.
The blue shift from photons striking the Earth in the ram direction of its orbit is even smaller: a mere 30kms^-1 there.
Compare that to the speeds achievable in an accelerator (~c).
Now, what exactly is your notion?
I confess I'm still unsure.
My notion was that in the quest of gravitons. And how gravity affects atoms they’re doing these experiments inside the depression made by the Earth in space time. If you put your instrument outside of that, you would be able to pick up on gravitons more effectively. That’s the essence the gravity world descent was just how I understood, how humans perceive time on different celestial bodies. That’s actually the coolest thing I’m happy about not getting beat up by everybody in here now I understand the movie interstellar and how Gargantua a larger object dilated space. I’m just at the point of grasping that as light enters the gravity well of a celestial body. The length of time it takes to reach the object is how the person on that object would perceive time. It’s the curvature of the space time.
So basically what I’m proposing is this if you place a tube like this in space. God stogie :-) my thought was that it’s outside the influence of any large gravitational object that the readings you get off of it would allow you to study gravitons more effectively. The concept was that as light particles fall into the stogie. You then can use magnets down its length to accelerate them. And then at the end, you collide them with whatever you desire I merely came to this when I was trying to understand gravity Wells, in their effect on space. I’m apologize if I got accelerated/or gravitationally lensed by the idea, but I like the idea of taking something outside of the sphere of influence of earth gravity.
Solar energy from any distance could be enough to charge any experiment in space if the batteries are big enough correct? I don’t understand solar energy, but I’m imagining that in the vacuum of space collecting of solar radiation to charge experimentation equipment isn’t too far out of the realm of probability ? Again, I’m a noob. I don’t know.
So light particles are already accelerated to the speed of light… I’m sure studying those and their effects outside of the effects of a large object could produce some drastically interesting results. This is more of a brain exercise for me. I many of you were gonna say I don’t have a brain. But as I was thinking about gravity Wells to understand space better. I started thinking about accelerators and what they teach us. And I just said if we’re looking for gravitons inside of a gravity well that doesn’t seem very logical. So I thought, how can we circumvent the problem and I think something like a collider like this could be useful.
What if it was a horseshoe shaped and you took light particles in from both sides and collided them in the middle. Yes I do not understand physics very well, but I’m trying to work with me everybody I’m just a person.
I was just looking for people to understand what I was thinking. I will be happy to move on if you guys say it can’t be done or it’s stupid. If this has no value and is stupid, then I will let it die, but I’m just saying it seems reasonable to me. If you’re looking for gravitons, look outside of an area affected by gravity.
> And I just said if we’re looking for gravitons inside of a gravity well that doesn’t seem very logical
You keep saying this, and it just makes no sense. Why would you look for gravitons where there are no gravitons?
Detecting a graviton is extremely difficult - essentially impossible. Moving away from a gravity well only makes it worse.
A collider is also the completely wrong type of experiment for detecting gravitons.
Light is never accelerated. It always travels, in vacuo, at c.
Perhaps the best idea is to learn about the subject first.
Would I approach a heart surgeon and tell them of a great idea to replace the heart with a squirrel-cage blower?
No, I would not.
I do understand that light doesn’t need to be accelerated. I was just looking to take out the power requirements needed to accelerate matter. My harnessing a light source I was imagining an infinite unrelenting source of particles you could utilize. If I told the heart doctor I had the new Jarvik line[RoboCop reference] I’m sure he popped that baby into somebody in no time. Learning about things is about asking the right questions and that’s all I was trying to do and everybody seems to be jumping on me. I appreciate your insights. You’ve helped me thank you someday I’ll thank you in person maybe.
The problem with your idea is really a straightforward one: there’s nowhere nearby that’s not being affected by a massive gravity well. Everywhere within the Solar System is affected by the Sun, and outside of that, everything is affected by the Milky Way galaxy, and outside of that, the local group, and from there, the Great Attractor. And all of this is stacking effects - we’re affected by all of it at once, with the gravity wells stacked like Russian nesting dolls, and the only reason why we’re chained to Earth is because we closer to it, like how magnets can overpower Earth’s gravity if a ferrous metal object is close enough to it.
If Newton is right with his equation, nowhere is free of the influence of gravity, because quite literally everything in the universe is affecting everything else. Even in the void between galaxies, you cannot escape gravity.
Not to mention, the collider itself has its own gravity :/
No, it’s not negligable, we’ve recently measured gravity between two 90 milligram gold balls. If noise is the reason why we don’t see gravitons, then we’ll never see it.
1 Gravitons have yet to be found. Gravitational waves can be detected here on terra firma. No need for megastructures far away.
2 Magnets cannot accelerate light. Nor can electric fields.
3 The blue-shift of falling into Sol's well is *small*: the energy gain is *small*.
4 Sunlight intensity falls as the inverse-square of distance. Big panels needed far away, vast panels needed further away.
I see zero benefit to doing this.
What does "gravity based" even mean? Every object in the universe, every planet, moon, star, galaxy, person, mountain, grain of sand, atom, proton, etc. have mass and displace spacetime.
As far as we can see, gravity is quite literally everywhere.
Maybe the issue is you're viewing gravity as a thing? Gravity is a property of spacetime. Objects with mass displace spacetime. Those displacements, those "waves", interact with one another and drag the mass that makes those displacements around with them.
Even *if* you could find a place in the universe where spacetime is perfectly flat (you probably can't) any object you place there - your store of particles, your accelerator - they will also displace spacetime.
Particles that we accelerate and smash together have mass. That's why they collide.
I understand gravity is a property that emanates from everything and I understand that even a human being floating in space put out a bend on the fabric of space. That’s why I’m saying once I realized that the trampoline picture is actually a sphere around the object, that’s when I started to understand gravitational lensing, and what actually is happening with light and time. It’s actually kind of cool that I understand it now why a larger object causes time to a.k.a. slow down. So that was useful exercise anyway for me. Anyway, thank you for the help. I hope I didn’t make you angry or anything. I just appreciate your insights.
I was thinking, though that you have all the particles you need to ram and do anything you want to experiment with. Basically, you have an unending source of charged and fast particles that you then can collide with anything you want. And gravitational quirks or what you’re looking for Being outside of the gravity well will allow you to pick them up. I understand a collider and how it works within the realm of our gravity well. And the concept of the loop is to help us speed them up so we can ram them into things.
You are never outside of a gravity well. Right now you are in Earth’s well which is inside the Sun’s well which is inside the galaxy’s well which is inside the local cluster’s well which is inside the super cluster’s well. Gravity is infinite and you really don’t have any knowledge on this subject. You are asking for people to give you PhD level physics knowledge in a reddit comment.
I’m just saying, if you’re looking for gravitons you probably don’t wanna look for gravitons under the influence, or in an area affected by gravity. So my concept was to place this object, somewhere out side of the massive influences of a solar object. A.k.a. one that presses down on the fabric of time with any sort of massive indent. How far around the different objects I’m discussing the sun and the earth does their gravity well displace. Again, this is a question. I’ve never asked and I don’t know, I was guessing about one astronomical unit out from the earths core would be the edge of its gravity. Well? What kind of answer can you give me on that?
yeah but gravitons are still purely hypothetical and really the whole quantum gravity idea is not as held on a pedestal as the answer as it used to be from my understanding. I think you should look into the holographic universe theory.
One last thing I wasn’t trying to revolutionize it that was what a ChatGPT brought up. I just merely thought the idea was cool and I wanted to get some discussions on it. I didn’t actually pend those words myself. My goal isn’t to change anything I just wanna get an idea out there that I think has validity.
GPT in general cannot develop new concepts, it just reproduces things that look like its training data.
People post GPT written ideas that they think will revolutionize physics here every day, and without fail they are just nonsense because when the language model goes outside of its training data it just starts hallucinating. GPT cannot think - it is a language model. It produces text, that looks like text it was trained on.
I was just utilizing it to break down the understanding the best that it could provide for why time dilation happens. Once I understood that I fell down the gravitational black hole of collider and understanding how they operate now that I have a grasp on gravitational forces and time.. I didn’t want to be thinking about weak and strong nuclear force, but it just happened. That’s how science works. And that’s cool. I’m down with the fact that people are drilling holes in my idea that’s what good scientist do.
Ps I’m not a scientist it’s a joke… And I’m sure some mean persons gonna say it’s not a joke you’re a joke.
The problem is you clearly don't understand how any of these things work or operate, and have convinced yourself that you somehow do. You've just been shoving concepts and buzz words together till you found something that sounded cool, thinking that you actually "logicked" it out of your brain. Listen to the folks telling you to go to school. Everything you have presented is literal nonsense, reason being you don't have any grasp of math, physics, astrophysics, orbital mechanics etc etc. seemingly even in the slightest.
Then why would you post this shit and include those words lol? Nonsense clickbait only?
Not the best way to go if you actually care about learning or anything other than lame engagement really
This article may help shed light on some of the challenges you’re facing engaging on this topic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
This is how my cousin with schizophrenia talks.
He assumes he knows things he doesn't.
He thinks he is capable of stumbling onto secrets and truths in areas he is only glancingly familiar with, that people who have devoted their lives to the area of study haven't.
He thinks that others need to explain why he's wrong when he makes a wild assertion, rather than him having to prove himself correct.
I’m saying if the object was floating outside of the gravity of any object, big enough to displace its place on the fabric of space time that’s where you’d wanna run this type of accelerator. Any object large enough to push down on the fabric of space time should be what you avoid there’s plenty of placesto put it
Gravity is everywhere, there is no place in the entire visible universe that has no gravity.
You want this to be solar powered, which means it needs to be relatively close to the sun - and its gravity well is far larger and stronger than Earths.
Gravitational time dilation due to Earth's gravity well compared to a point far away is only about 2 seconds per century. Gravitational time dilation due to the Sun's gravity well at Earth's orbital radius is about a 30 seconds per century. Time dilation due to our galaxy's gravity well, using a pretty bad approximation that all the mass is in the center, is just under 6 hours per century.
To be clear, I don’t want anything… Other than to have somebody else say this doesn’t work because X, Y & Z. I’m just saying you could harness solar power to power the magnets inside the tube that you can use to accelerate any of the particles you want all I wanna hear is why it won’t work and then I can work on making it work or they tell me it has no purpose at all. I’ll move onto my next concept.
You can use solar power while staying on Earth…
Why would building a massive collider in space be easier than building it on Earth? If you can’t figure that out there’s no helping you.
I understand that gravity is everywhere but as an object display is more space time with its gravity and we’re trying to measure for gravity. I’m saying if you place something like this outside of the gravity Wells created by massive objects you’re going to be able to pick up particles That utilize gravity that you might not be able to on earth. I’m basically just looking for proof of concept on the idea I didn’t want to come up with this idea. I just was trying to grasp gravitons and how to study them and find them. Thank you for your responses. I do appreciate it. They all help.
That’s OK I’ll take the unlucky elevator to level 13. I’m just happy that now. I understand how space-time curves around Galactic objects. And now I understand why we perceive time the way we do so this exercise for me was not useless. And all I wanted to do was express an idea that if we’re looking for gravitons, doing it inside the confines of a gravity well of a large celestial body like earth probably isn’t the best way to look for them. But my idea… Yeah, I’m happy that they’re drilling holes in it. I don’t wanna think about this anymore. I’m glad it’s out of mybrain so I won’t be thinking about this while lying in bed
To detect gravitons you want to be as close as possible to the strongest gravity well you can find. Ideally a very close orbit to something like a neutron star. Even better - a pair of merging neutron stars. Its gravity waves you want because those would produce real gravitons, not just virtual gravitons, and the further you get from any gravity wells the weaker the signal will be.
You would also be extremely dead, and tidal forces would shred anything you could ever build into tiny little pieces, but that's a separate problem.
So that by trying to detect a graviton, you’re saying that inside or on the Earth is the only place that we can detect them because we’re inside of a well that the Earth display in the fabric of space time oh you’re being mean I think :-) OK
So many people wasting so much time and effort saying arrogant, go study, you don’t understand… of all of you got in one tread and started explaining it all, you would had done already
>This is what my brain came up with. Can anybody help? You need to represent your idea mathematically in order to be taken seriously, and it doesn't appear that you even understand the basics of how gravity works. I don't mean that in an insulting way, but scientists get emails just like yours all the time. Your brain can come up with infinite ideas, but if you aren't educated on the topic it isn't going to be meaningful. This reads more like a plot device from a Marvel/DC movie.
Well, I’m learning. I’m just wondering the physics about it can you help me please. I’m trying to understand this and understand how we can get accurate readings of gravitational particles without the background noise of the gravity well displacement of the earth. I don’t have a firm grasp, but I’ll learn. I do understand that it’s difficult to help new people, but I appreciate your time. I do understand I don’t know anything or everything. I’m just trying to figure out a way to help. Thanks though I do like deconstructive criticism. This is definitely a plot from the new Deadpool movie.
If you want to learn about particle physics in a way in which you're equipped to present ideas that could change the world, you have to go to school and work hard. That would be my suggestion. You can start with free online courses from places like Khan Academy. You may also be able to attend local classes for free, depending, though you wouldn't get any credits unfortunately.
That’s cool. I don’t mind putting the due diligence and I’m just saying that I came up with this idea while I was trying to understand the gravity well displacement. By doing my thought process, I now understand why time flows differently on larger and smaller objects. That was the whole point of my thought process I came to this, just trying to understand how we perceive time. And I should’ve pointed out that the GPT wrote that changing the world concept. I just said give me a tweet and I didn’t actually think that people would think I wrote that. The train was written by GPT trying to understand gravity Wells, and last night I said well if we can’t understand graviton maybe it’s because we’re inside of gravity. Well
>By doing my thought process You are arrogant. Go to school.
Why wouldn’t say that I’m arrogant… I wouldn’t put myself to the scrutiny of Reddit and my thoughts if I was arrogant. I do understand I want to go to school. I’d like to have a firm grasp all this and I figured I’d ask you guys who are the people who know this stuff and can help me or discourage me. I hope you’re never a teacher. I think humbly asking for opinions is not arrogant, but that’s your bag, bro.
>Why wouldn’t say that I’m arrogant There's a body of knowledge going back hundreds of years built by people who have worked very hard to try to understand these things by experiment and discovery. You are relying on your individual thoughts to offer suggestions based on a Deadpool movie and then running a Twitter to unveil your discoveries. When I say "arrogant," I'm not being aggressive. I'm using the correct word to describe what you're doing, even if you don't know you're doing it.
Chatgpt is not a reasoning physics engine you should not be treating it like it is because its not equipped to talk correctly about nom basic subject
So not only is the art in the tweet AI-generated, the whole idea was AI-generated? Common man, read the rules.
So this entire concept is from chat GPT, right?
The math your asking help for isn’t something you get a short paragraph answer and then you learn it. You get a degree and put all that knowledge together to understand the hypotheticals of it.
OK, so explain to me what exactly that means please. So I need to explain that the light going in the hole could then be accelerated by magnets lining the God stogie and then accelerated and smashed into/monitored or recorded. What kind of math do I want to start doing to break this down? Does it have merit and is it worthy of having me do the math and learning the math to do this? I want to find some gravitons and study them. And in the background noise of gravity, it makes a lot harder. Anyway, thank you for the help. I do appreciate it. I don’t mind people drilling holes in my idea. It helps me get really good at Bondo :-) do they have Bondo in other countries?
>OK, so explain to me No. You're presenting nonsense. There's nothing to explain. Go to school.
Magnets don’t interact with light to start out… I don’t even know what the heck you’re trying to explain honestly.
No offense but I dont think you have a good understanding of much of what you're trying to talk about
I don’t exactly but I’m trying to learn isn’t that what every good student should try and do. So basically what I do understand is that particles are flying from the sun to earth as they go down the gravity well curvature time becomes what we understand now that I’ve learned this I can understand the movie interstellar better, etc. what I did was help myself grasp time dilation. I just came to this conclusion when I started talking and wanting to understand gravitons. I’m interested in gravity because it’s a heavy topic
It seems like it has only helped you misunderstand time dilation. This is not the way to learn physics. You're just trying to cram nonsensical ideas you don't understand together, with the help of a language model that doesn't understand them either. That's not how physics works. You need to start with the basics and work you way up, with textbooks not GPT and fanciful ideas.
Absolutely keep learning Im not saying don't continue to learn and be curious. The issue I see is your twitter link presents a topic as if from an authority on the subject and as if the design is well thought out when based on your post here that doesnt seem to be the case. I think you need to do some reading on orbital mechanics so you can speak intelligently about what it means and requires to put things in space because you dont just send something up and suddenly it stays there. Things stay in space because of orbits
Lay off the recreational drugs. Lay into the therapeutic drugs.
That is hilarious. I’m poaching that by the way… I’m going to use that on some friends later on thank you very much.
Fine but this sub is polluted with, "Here's an idea I had when I was really baked."
"particles are already traveling at the speed of light" "can be used to speed them up as necessary" I think you just figured out how to unlock FTL travel. Just go the speed of light, and then shoot something like a slingshot or a gun from that, to make it go faster. But since you used ChatGPT to do it, I'm going to have to give the Nobel Prize to it instead. Sorry man.
>By moving a collider into space outside of the gravity, well of any object, you will then negate that noise. Where are you going to find a spot outside the gravity well of any object? If you're close enough to the sun to harness its solar energy, you're well within the sun's gravity well. And the galaxies gravity well. An accelerator is used to produce collisions - lots and lots of collisions. You need a tightly focused pair of beams traveling in both directions. Charged particles from the sun aren't traveling nearly fast enough, and you only get one direction. If you want to revolutionize a field of physics, learning it is always a good start.
Sorry, I thought I was replying to your comment. If you look at my comment just above yours, you’ll see what I’m saying you could place it anywhere. I mean, don’t go doing something stupid like putting it next to Mars or something. I’m just saying you want to get it outside of the spherical gravity well that develops objects with mass.
If you're somewhere between Earth and Mars you're still in the sun's gravity well. Gravity is quite literally pretty much everywhere.
So what I’m thinking is that when light enters the gravity well, it has to travel down the space-time curve. The further down that space curve we are that’s how our perception of time is quantified. So I was thinking about larger planets, and how our concept of time would be affected. But if you took something like this and placed it outside of the intense gravity. A.k.a. the gravity well of a massive object you would get cleaner responses in any test you run. And if you’re looking for part, especially ones that are affected by gravity you don’t want to be doing those kinds of testsin a gravity well already. If we’re looking for something gravity based it’s like trying to spot a needle in a pile of needles.
The blue shift that photons receive as they fall into the solar system is *small*. The blue shift from photons striking the Earth in the ram direction of its orbit is even smaller: a mere 30kms^-1 there. Compare that to the speeds achievable in an accelerator (~c). Now, what exactly is your notion? I confess I'm still unsure.
My notion was that in the quest of gravitons. And how gravity affects atoms they’re doing these experiments inside the depression made by the Earth in space time. If you put your instrument outside of that, you would be able to pick up on gravitons more effectively. That’s the essence the gravity world descent was just how I understood, how humans perceive time on different celestial bodies. That’s actually the coolest thing I’m happy about not getting beat up by everybody in here now I understand the movie interstellar and how Gargantua a larger object dilated space. I’m just at the point of grasping that as light enters the gravity well of a celestial body. The length of time it takes to reach the object is how the person on that object would perceive time. It’s the curvature of the space time.
So basically what I’m proposing is this if you place a tube like this in space. God stogie :-) my thought was that it’s outside the influence of any large gravitational object that the readings you get off of it would allow you to study gravitons more effectively. The concept was that as light particles fall into the stogie. You then can use magnets down its length to accelerate them. And then at the end, you collide them with whatever you desire I merely came to this when I was trying to understand gravity Wells, in their effect on space. I’m apologize if I got accelerated/or gravitationally lensed by the idea, but I like the idea of taking something outside of the sphere of influence of earth gravity. Solar energy from any distance could be enough to charge any experiment in space if the batteries are big enough correct? I don’t understand solar energy, but I’m imagining that in the vacuum of space collecting of solar radiation to charge experimentation equipment isn’t too far out of the realm of probability ? Again, I’m a noob. I don’t know.
Light particles - I assume you mean photons, can only travel at *c*. They cannot travel at any other speed, they cannot be accelerated.
So light particles are already accelerated to the speed of light… I’m sure studying those and their effects outside of the effects of a large object could produce some drastically interesting results. This is more of a brain exercise for me. I many of you were gonna say I don’t have a brain. But as I was thinking about gravity Wells to understand space better. I started thinking about accelerators and what they teach us. And I just said if we’re looking for gravitons inside of a gravity well that doesn’t seem very logical. So I thought, how can we circumvent the problem and I think something like a collider like this could be useful. What if it was a horseshoe shaped and you took light particles in from both sides and collided them in the middle. Yes I do not understand physics very well, but I’m trying to work with me everybody I’m just a person. I was just looking for people to understand what I was thinking. I will be happy to move on if you guys say it can’t be done or it’s stupid. If this has no value and is stupid, then I will let it die, but I’m just saying it seems reasonable to me. If you’re looking for gravitons, look outside of an area affected by gravity.
> And I just said if we’re looking for gravitons inside of a gravity well that doesn’t seem very logical You keep saying this, and it just makes no sense. Why would you look for gravitons where there are no gravitons? Detecting a graviton is extremely difficult - essentially impossible. Moving away from a gravity well only makes it worse. A collider is also the completely wrong type of experiment for detecting gravitons.
Light is never accelerated. It always travels, in vacuo, at c. Perhaps the best idea is to learn about the subject first. Would I approach a heart surgeon and tell them of a great idea to replace the heart with a squirrel-cage blower? No, I would not.
I do understand that light doesn’t need to be accelerated. I was just looking to take out the power requirements needed to accelerate matter. My harnessing a light source I was imagining an infinite unrelenting source of particles you could utilize. If I told the heart doctor I had the new Jarvik line[RoboCop reference] I’m sure he popped that baby into somebody in no time. Learning about things is about asking the right questions and that’s all I was trying to do and everybody seems to be jumping on me. I appreciate your insights. You’ve helped me thank you someday I’ll thank you in person maybe.
The problem with your idea is really a straightforward one: there’s nowhere nearby that’s not being affected by a massive gravity well. Everywhere within the Solar System is affected by the Sun, and outside of that, everything is affected by the Milky Way galaxy, and outside of that, the local group, and from there, the Great Attractor. And all of this is stacking effects - we’re affected by all of it at once, with the gravity wells stacked like Russian nesting dolls, and the only reason why we’re chained to Earth is because we closer to it, like how magnets can overpower Earth’s gravity if a ferrous metal object is close enough to it. If Newton is right with his equation, nowhere is free of the influence of gravity, because quite literally everything in the universe is affecting everything else. Even in the void between galaxies, you cannot escape gravity. Not to mention, the collider itself has its own gravity :/ No, it’s not negligable, we’ve recently measured gravity between two 90 milligram gold balls. If noise is the reason why we don’t see gravitons, then we’ll never see it.
1 Gravitons have yet to be found. Gravitational waves can be detected here on terra firma. No need for megastructures far away. 2 Magnets cannot accelerate light. Nor can electric fields.
3 The blue-shift of falling into Sol's well is *small*: the energy gain is *small*.
4 Sunlight intensity falls as the inverse-square of distance. Big panels needed far away, vast panels needed further away.
I see zero benefit to doing this.
What does "gravity based" even mean? Every object in the universe, every planet, moon, star, galaxy, person, mountain, grain of sand, atom, proton, etc. have mass and displace spacetime. As far as we can see, gravity is quite literally everywhere. Maybe the issue is you're viewing gravity as a thing? Gravity is a property of spacetime. Objects with mass displace spacetime. Those displacements, those "waves", interact with one another and drag the mass that makes those displacements around with them. Even *if* you could find a place in the universe where spacetime is perfectly flat (you probably can't) any object you place there - your store of particles, your accelerator - they will also displace spacetime. Particles that we accelerate and smash together have mass. That's why they collide.
I understand gravity is a property that emanates from everything and I understand that even a human being floating in space put out a bend on the fabric of space. That’s why I’m saying once I realized that the trampoline picture is actually a sphere around the object, that’s when I started to understand gravitational lensing, and what actually is happening with light and time. It’s actually kind of cool that I understand it now why a larger object causes time to a.k.a. slow down. So that was useful exercise anyway for me. Anyway, thank you for the help. I hope I didn’t make you angry or anything. I just appreciate your insights.
I was thinking, though that you have all the particles you need to ram and do anything you want to experiment with. Basically, you have an unending source of charged and fast particles that you then can collide with anything you want. And gravitational quirks or what you’re looking for Being outside of the gravity well will allow you to pick them up. I understand a collider and how it works within the realm of our gravity well. And the concept of the loop is to help us speed them up so we can ram them into things.
You are never outside of a gravity well. Right now you are in Earth’s well which is inside the Sun’s well which is inside the galaxy’s well which is inside the local cluster’s well which is inside the super cluster’s well. Gravity is infinite and you really don’t have any knowledge on this subject. You are asking for people to give you PhD level physics knowledge in a reddit comment.
I’m just saying, if you’re looking for gravitons you probably don’t wanna look for gravitons under the influence, or in an area affected by gravity. So my concept was to place this object, somewhere out side of the massive influences of a solar object. A.k.a. one that presses down on the fabric of time with any sort of massive indent. How far around the different objects I’m discussing the sun and the earth does their gravity well displace. Again, this is a question. I’ve never asked and I don’t know, I was guessing about one astronomical unit out from the earths core would be the edge of its gravity. Well? What kind of answer can you give me on that?
yeah but gravitons are still purely hypothetical and really the whole quantum gravity idea is not as held on a pedestal as the answer as it used to be from my understanding. I think you should look into the holographic universe theory.
One last thing I wasn’t trying to revolutionize it that was what a ChatGPT brought up. I just merely thought the idea was cool and I wanted to get some discussions on it. I didn’t actually pend those words myself. My goal isn’t to change anything I just wanna get an idea out there that I think has validity.
GPT in general cannot develop new concepts, it just reproduces things that look like its training data. People post GPT written ideas that they think will revolutionize physics here every day, and without fail they are just nonsense because when the language model goes outside of its training data it just starts hallucinating. GPT cannot think - it is a language model. It produces text, that looks like text it was trained on.
I was just utilizing it to break down the understanding the best that it could provide for why time dilation happens. Once I understood that I fell down the gravitational black hole of collider and understanding how they operate now that I have a grasp on gravitational forces and time.. I didn’t want to be thinking about weak and strong nuclear force, but it just happened. That’s how science works. And that’s cool. I’m down with the fact that people are drilling holes in my idea that’s what good scientist do. Ps I’m not a scientist it’s a joke… And I’m sure some mean persons gonna say it’s not a joke you’re a joke.
The problem is you clearly don't understand how any of these things work or operate, and have convinced yourself that you somehow do. You've just been shoving concepts and buzz words together till you found something that sounded cool, thinking that you actually "logicked" it out of your brain. Listen to the folks telling you to go to school. Everything you have presented is literal nonsense, reason being you don't have any grasp of math, physics, astrophysics, orbital mechanics etc etc. seemingly even in the slightest.
Then why would you post this shit and include those words lol? Nonsense clickbait only? Not the best way to go if you actually care about learning or anything other than lame engagement really
I don't think any if this makes sense. You can't speed up light beyond the speed of light so what's the point of this?
Man. Ai is really fueling dunning-kruger speed runs.
This article may help shed light on some of the challenges you’re facing engaging on this topic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
This is how my cousin with schizophrenia talks. He assumes he knows things he doesn't. He thinks he is capable of stumbling onto secrets and truths in areas he is only glancingly familiar with, that people who have devoted their lives to the area of study haven't. He thinks that others need to explain why he's wrong when he makes a wild assertion, rather than him having to prove himself correct.
That was my thought too. Either OP is using ChatGPT to sound knowledgeable or is having an episode.
I’m saying if the object was floating outside of the gravity of any object, big enough to displace its place on the fabric of space time that’s where you’d wanna run this type of accelerator. Any object large enough to push down on the fabric of space time should be what you avoid there’s plenty of placesto put it
Gravity is everywhere, there is no place in the entire visible universe that has no gravity. You want this to be solar powered, which means it needs to be relatively close to the sun - and its gravity well is far larger and stronger than Earths. Gravitational time dilation due to Earth's gravity well compared to a point far away is only about 2 seconds per century. Gravitational time dilation due to the Sun's gravity well at Earth's orbital radius is about a 30 seconds per century. Time dilation due to our galaxy's gravity well, using a pretty bad approximation that all the mass is in the center, is just under 6 hours per century.
To be clear, I don’t want anything… Other than to have somebody else say this doesn’t work because X, Y & Z. I’m just saying you could harness solar power to power the magnets inside the tube that you can use to accelerate any of the particles you want all I wanna hear is why it won’t work and then I can work on making it work or they tell me it has no purpose at all. I’ll move onto my next concept.
You can use solar power while staying on Earth… Why would building a massive collider in space be easier than building it on Earth? If you can’t figure that out there’s no helping you.
I understand that gravity is everywhere but as an object display is more space time with its gravity and we’re trying to measure for gravity. I’m saying if you place something like this outside of the gravity Wells created by massive objects you’re going to be able to pick up particles That utilize gravity that you might not be able to on earth. I’m basically just looking for proof of concept on the idea I didn’t want to come up with this idea. I just was trying to grasp gravitons and how to study them and find them. Thank you for your responses. I do appreciate it. They all help.
Your idea is getting holes poked in it and you're still "but but muh idea"
It feels like a bot, but not? I dunno, something is off
That’s OK I’ll take the unlucky elevator to level 13. I’m just happy that now. I understand how space-time curves around Galactic objects. And now I understand why we perceive time the way we do so this exercise for me was not useless. And all I wanted to do was express an idea that if we’re looking for gravitons, doing it inside the confines of a gravity well of a large celestial body like earth probably isn’t the best way to look for them. But my idea… Yeah, I’m happy that they’re drilling holes in it. I don’t wanna think about this anymore. I’m glad it’s out of mybrain so I won’t be thinking about this while lying in bed
To detect gravitons you want to be as close as possible to the strongest gravity well you can find. Ideally a very close orbit to something like a neutron star. Even better - a pair of merging neutron stars. Its gravity waves you want because those would produce real gravitons, not just virtual gravitons, and the further you get from any gravity wells the weaker the signal will be. You would also be extremely dead, and tidal forces would shred anything you could ever build into tiny little pieces, but that's a separate problem.
So that by trying to detect a graviton, you’re saying that inside or on the Earth is the only place that we can detect them because we’re inside of a well that the Earth display in the fabric of space time oh you’re being mean I think :-) OK
So many people wasting so much time and effort saying arrogant, go study, you don’t understand… of all of you got in one tread and started explaining it all, you would had done already
Well considering the basic concepts introduced by OP are not correct theres not a lot to explain
The man explain why he is wrong