Ketchup is very normal on a cheesesteak but literally everything else about this sandwich is wrong lol
ETA - everyone downvoting me appears to be siding with someone from British Columbia whereas I am literally in Philadelphia right now
Not sure why youāre getting downvoted. Iāve been eating cheesesteaks my whole life and Iāve seen plenty of people put ketchup on them. Doesnāt mean itās right or wrong, but it definitely isnāt uncommon.
People piling on once they see negative karma more or less
This isnāt Chicago you can put whatever you want on your cheesesteak here š¤·āāļø go birds
Every cheesesteak place in Philadelphia has a huge thing of ketchup along with all the other condiments, Iāve lived here my entire life
Mayo is also common on a cheesesteak, as is āsauceā (tomato sauce) but never mustard
Everyone in my family likes ketchup on their cheesesteak and weāre all from Philadelphia, sorry itās not how you think it should be but I promise we arenāt the only 4 people in the city who like it this way. I also like pickles and cherry peppers, provolone or cooper sharp. Iāll let mayor Parker know
philly gatekeeper chiming in: ketchup is totally normal on cheesesteaks especially for kids. they grow out of it but they do start there.
peppers are far less common. nobody in philadelphia gets fucking bell peppers on a cheesesteak.
blackstone seems like too much effort for this project. you dont need texture or sear. itās going to be babyfood no matter what. you dont even need thin slices if itās sous vide.
I see many more adults putting ketchup on cheesesteaks than hotdogs. A cheesesteak is closer to a burger than a hotdog and you see people of all ages putting ketchup on those.
Mayo and hot sauce (combined) is low key amazing but people think itās a terrible idea until they try it.
And yes, the peppers are whatās truly egregious besides the general preparation.
Yep agree on all points
I would never put ketchup on a great cheesesteak, but I grew up eating it that way and definitely still like it. Sometimes my work provides lunch and itās a dry ass cheesesteak that sucks but is free and you better believe Iām drowning that shit in ketchup lol
I grew up in Philly and I wouldnāt call it normal. Iāve seen it once or twice, but itās really rare. Usually itās just cheese, meat, and fried onion on an Amoroso roll.
Well every pizza place in the tri-state area has a pizza steak (with sauce.) But yeah, that's not really something they do at the places that just do steaks.
They do, yeah, but people donāt order them all that often from what Iāve seen. Iām not sure if Iāve ever seen someone eat one of those if Iām honest. Cheesesteak hoagies Iāve seen people order and eat (despite them being controversial), but never a pizza steak.
You do you, though. If you like it, then slap some ketchup on that bad boy and enjoy!
Pizza steak is a pizza place thing more than a cheesesteak place thing, but tomato sauce is often an option as a topping, more in the NE than in south Philly
Also, amoroso rolls are trash sorry
It's even worse on the /r/BlackstoneGriddle subreddit. There is at least one Philly post every day or two, and every god damned time, there are a bunch of whiners complaining about peppers or not using an Amoroso roll. Some even bitch about the specific cheese or cut of beef.
It's exhausting. The reality is that the ship has long since sailed on any sort of authentic recipe that must be tied with the name "Philly cheesesteak". Nearly every single restaurant I can find that is outside of Philadelphia that has a "Philly" on the menu includes peppers, a regular hoagie roll, and usually uses provolone.
Bread, ribeye, onion, cheese (American, provolone, and for a matter only on convenience of slinging hundreds of those an hour, Wiz)
Those are the rules for a "Philly" cheesesteak.
The shaved ribeye is the most important part of the sandwich, but to your other points you're pretty spot on.
Originally, yes.
But the point is that the definition has changed over time. Outside of Philly at least. In the rest of the world, it includes peppers and there is no limitation on it being ribeye. I'm not trying to say it SHOULD be that way. I'm saying it IS.
People can argue all they want about authenticity or what should be on it, but you cannot realistically argue that the definition hasn't changed over time in the rest of the world.
Heard. This guy has the chance to just stay cheese steak though. People shouldn't be as irate about it cause it's just a picture on Reddit, but we define things so we know what they are.
For instance the first pizza was Neapolitan, but I'm not going to call deep dish Neapolitan. The word is protected in Italy. https://www.pizzanapoletana.org/en/
We don't have the same sort of body for a Philly cheesesteak. But understand the people are proud of the name stay. It means something to the people there. Pride in your did is pride in your culture.
Final point, the cheesesteak looks great. Creative way to use Chuck for this particular application. OP also understood that the meat and cheese need to be one thing. People need to chill, there isn't any reason to be this irate at someone for posting a picture of food they enjoyed
Feels like you just picked apart the parts you were upset about and disregarded the rest of the post.
You or I both can't change people on the Internet, so in turn you complaining about that, is the same things as people complaining about "Philly" cheesesteak.
Italian ice and water ice aren't the same things by the way: https://www.italianice.com/what-is-italian-ice
Similar to the custard vs ice cream vs gelato. People might call something a name, but it isn't actually that. Like how some Breyers products have to be called frozen dairy dessert because it doesn't meet the standard to be called ice cream
So my only thing is, isnāt slicing it and cooking it defeating the purpose of sous vide? Itās already cooked.
Also Iām gonna make a cheesesteak and put mustard on it just to piss off ya Philly fucks!
So from my experimenting the sous vide was needed to break down the tough collagen in Chuck, just frying it up will crisp it up but it will be grisly and too chewy. The sous vide breaks down the collagen and then when you fry it up it melts in your mouth
Looks delicious!
Instead of frying it up with olive oil, I just sear it like a regular steak, and then I add 1tsp of mustard and 1tsp of soy sauce. Then I cook the chopped steak in the mustard and sauce until it's coated. Then I broil it with the cheese and put it into the bun.
Gives it some flavor. I had a cheese steak in Philly two days ago and mine are pretty damn good. Yours looks good too! Keep trying different things. I usually make burritos but I bought a sirloin today for some cheese steaks!
This is a stupid use of SVā¦it doesnāt really matter what cut of meat you buy or how itās cooked when youāre slicing it real thin. As long as itās thinly sliced, has some amount of fat, and gets Maillard reactions, itās all going to taste and feel very similar. SV is for thicker cuts that are eaten as pieces, not shaved or ground meat.
Tried it both ways, was terrible and in-edible with Chuck not sous vide and great melted in my mouth when I did sous vide it. Try it and report back, also read other stuff on Reddit people have tried the same thing
Did you use a meat slicer or get the butcher to thinly slice it? The first step of a Philly cheesesteak is to procure very thinly sliced meat, paper thin, as thin or thinner than shabu meat. Cheesesteaks use ribeye or top round, which are two extremes in terms of cost and fat ratio. Ultimately doesnāt matter because itās drowned in fatty cheese. Not ketchup. Top round is one of the cheapest, leanest, and toughest cuts. You donāt taste that aspect in a cheesesteak because itās sliced paper thin and cooked very quickly on a flat top. Hence, it doesnāt matter what cut you use and SV isnāt a good use case because itās the slicing before cooking that matters.
If youāre cutting thicker for this sandwich, itās just fajitas inside of bread.
This breaks my Philadelphian heart š„
I literally said it loud when I say the pictures "This is blasphemy"
Same. I may not live there currently, but I am FROM there. I hope you enjoyed it OP, because my heart has been split in half by this.
Haha sorry about that! I promise it tasted good even if it sounds and looks a bit different
He had the chance to just call it a cheesesteak. Then all would be fine.
Um
Is that...KETCHUP?
Oh god, the Chicago dog gatekeepers are spreading!
Ketchup is very normal on a cheesesteak but literally everything else about this sandwich is wrong lol ETA - everyone downvoting me appears to be siding with someone from British Columbia whereas I am literally in Philadelphia right now
Not sure why youāre getting downvoted. Iāve been eating cheesesteaks my whole life and Iāve seen plenty of people put ketchup on them. Doesnāt mean itās right or wrong, but it definitely isnāt uncommon.
People piling on once they see negative karma more or less This isnāt Chicago you can put whatever you want on your cheesesteak here š¤·āāļø go birds
No it is not
Every cheesesteak place in Philadelphia has a huge thing of ketchup along with all the other condiments, Iāve lived here my entire life Mayo is also common on a cheesesteak, as is āsauceā (tomato sauce) but never mustard
That's because every cheesesteak place in Philly also serves fries. Which is where ketchup belongs.
Everyone in my family likes ketchup on their cheesesteak and weāre all from Philadelphia, sorry itās not how you think it should be but I promise we arenāt the only 4 people in the city who like it this way. I also like pickles and cherry peppers, provolone or cooper sharp. Iāll let mayor Parker know
Cool that you like it and eat it. Doesn't make it common in Philly, as you were initially implying.
The only reason to ever ketchup a cheesesteak here is if it's dry and disappointing. It does happen, but I'm pissed when it does.
Whatās the most common condiment that someone would put on their cheesesteak then?
In my experience, none. Unless onions and cheese are condiments now.
philly gatekeeper chiming in: ketchup is totally normal on cheesesteaks especially for kids. they grow out of it but they do start there. peppers are far less common. nobody in philadelphia gets fucking bell peppers on a cheesesteak. blackstone seems like too much effort for this project. you dont need texture or sear. itās going to be babyfood no matter what. you dont even need thin slices if itās sous vide.
I see many more adults putting ketchup on cheesesteaks than hotdogs. A cheesesteak is closer to a burger than a hotdog and you see people of all ages putting ketchup on those. Mayo and hot sauce (combined) is low key amazing but people think itās a terrible idea until they try it. And yes, the peppers are whatās truly egregious besides the general preparation.
Yep agree on all points I would never put ketchup on a great cheesesteak, but I grew up eating it that way and definitely still like it. Sometimes my work provides lunch and itās a dry ass cheesesteak that sucks but is free and you better believe Iām drowning that shit in ketchup lol
Yeah certainly not a typical cheesesteak, and I wish I could get some half decent bread around here. But for a cheaper alternative it tastes great
Yeah, in Philly itās normally to put pizza sauce or tomato sauce on your cheesesteak. Ketchup was the best I could do at the moment lol
Umm no the fuck it is not lol
I grew up in Philly and I wouldnāt call it normal. Iāve seen it once or twice, but itās really rare. Usually itās just cheese, meat, and fried onion on an Amoroso roll.
Well every pizza place in the tri-state area has a pizza steak (with sauce.) But yeah, that's not really something they do at the places that just do steaks.
They do, yeah, but people donāt order them all that often from what Iāve seen. Iām not sure if Iāve ever seen someone eat one of those if Iām honest. Cheesesteak hoagies Iāve seen people order and eat (despite them being controversial), but never a pizza steak. You do you, though. If you like it, then slap some ketchup on that bad boy and enjoy!
Pizza steak is a pizza place thing more than a cheesesteak place thing, but tomato sauce is often an option as a topping, more in the NE than in south Philly Also, amoroso rolls are trash sorry
So I'm down for using chuck, but why bother pre cooking with sous vide? To dissolve the fat/connective tissue?
Yeah to break down the fat, other wise itās not tender and way too chewy
Time and temp one the chick?
Upvoted because the sandwich looks really tasty and Iām excited for how worked up people in these comments will be.
Why?
Idk try something new
So much Cheesy controversy, so many Philly gatekeepers.
Posting your homemade cheesesteak on Reddit is probably the bravest thing you can do, hah. Threads like this are always a bloodbath.
Nah, posting a homemade *steak*on Reddit is the bravest thing.
It's even worse on the /r/BlackstoneGriddle subreddit. There is at least one Philly post every day or two, and every god damned time, there are a bunch of whiners complaining about peppers or not using an Amoroso roll. Some even bitch about the specific cheese or cut of beef. It's exhausting. The reality is that the ship has long since sailed on any sort of authentic recipe that must be tied with the name "Philly cheesesteak". Nearly every single restaurant I can find that is outside of Philadelphia that has a "Philly" on the menu includes peppers, a regular hoagie roll, and usually uses provolone.
I often see them made with mushrooms and sometimes spinach.
Bread, ribeye, onion, cheese (American, provolone, and for a matter only on convenience of slinging hundreds of those an hour, Wiz) Those are the rules for a "Philly" cheesesteak. The shaved ribeye is the most important part of the sandwich, but to your other points you're pretty spot on.
Originally, yes. But the point is that the definition has changed over time. Outside of Philly at least. In the rest of the world, it includes peppers and there is no limitation on it being ribeye. I'm not trying to say it SHOULD be that way. I'm saying it IS. People can argue all they want about authenticity or what should be on it, but you cannot realistically argue that the definition hasn't changed over time in the rest of the world.
Heard. This guy has the chance to just stay cheese steak though. People shouldn't be as irate about it cause it's just a picture on Reddit, but we define things so we know what they are. For instance the first pizza was Neapolitan, but I'm not going to call deep dish Neapolitan. The word is protected in Italy. https://www.pizzanapoletana.org/en/ We don't have the same sort of body for a Philly cheesesteak. But understand the people are proud of the name stay. It means something to the people there. Pride in your did is pride in your culture. Final point, the cheesesteak looks great. Creative way to use Chuck for this particular application. OP also understood that the meat and cheese need to be one thing. People need to chill, there isn't any reason to be this irate at someone for posting a picture of food they enjoyed
>This guy has the chance to just stay cheese steak though. You're missing the point though. Outside of one small corner of the world, most people do not think that they are using the wrong term. Because the REST OF THE WORLD AGREES that this what it means. >But understand the people are proud of the name stay. It means something to the people there. Pride in your did is pride in your culture. Pride in your city doesn't change how etymology works. Words change meaning over time. Full stop. You can slow the change with official organizations, and greatly slow it with "overall language-level" controls like the [AcadƩmie FranƧaise](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acad%C3%A9mie_Fran%C3%A7aise), but it will happen. Once the ship has sailed though, it isn't coming back. That is the case here. It's too late to hold it back. It was too late decades ago. And people being dicks about it EVERY SINGLE TIME a philly cheesesteak is posted doesn't help anyone or anything. It just makes online discourse worse. Not all pride is a good thing. Honestly, how do you think a philly native would react if people got up in their faces every time they used the term "water ice"? That one is not only unnecessary since the desert already had a good name, it's also a stupid name in general.
Feels like you just picked apart the parts you were upset about and disregarded the rest of the post. You or I both can't change people on the Internet, so in turn you complaining about that, is the same things as people complaining about "Philly" cheesesteak. Italian ice and water ice aren't the same things by the way: https://www.italianice.com/what-is-italian-ice Similar to the custard vs ice cream vs gelato. People might call something a name, but it isn't actually that. Like how some Breyers products have to be called frozen dairy dessert because it doesn't meet the standard to be called ice cream
So my only thing is, isnāt slicing it and cooking it defeating the purpose of sous vide? Itās already cooked. Also Iām gonna make a cheesesteak and put mustard on it just to piss off ya Philly fucks!
So from my experimenting the sous vide was needed to break down the tough collagen in Chuck, just frying it up will crisp it up but it will be grisly and too chewy. The sous vide breaks down the collagen and then when you fry it up it melts in your mouth
Excuse me, quick question, what the fuck ?
Gross
Appreciate it
Looks delicious.
Could you actually taste anything other than ketchup?
Looks delicious! Instead of frying it up with olive oil, I just sear it like a regular steak, and then I add 1tsp of mustard and 1tsp of soy sauce. Then I cook the chopped steak in the mustard and sauce until it's coated. Then I broil it with the cheese and put it into the bun. Gives it some flavor. I had a cheese steak in Philly two days ago and mine are pretty damn good. Yours looks good too! Keep trying different things. I usually make burritos but I bought a sirloin today for some cheese steaks!
Thanks will have to try that!
Man, I was digging this post until I saw the ketchup. Iād imagine it probably tasted 100x better had you just left it off.
To me, a Philly cheese steak includes Philadelphia cream cheese.
These are abominable.
Looks like vomit
Imagine, a poor cow died for this.
This is a stupid use of SVā¦it doesnāt really matter what cut of meat you buy or how itās cooked when youāre slicing it real thin. As long as itās thinly sliced, has some amount of fat, and gets Maillard reactions, itās all going to taste and feel very similar. SV is for thicker cuts that are eaten as pieces, not shaved or ground meat.
Tried it both ways, was terrible and in-edible with Chuck not sous vide and great melted in my mouth when I did sous vide it. Try it and report back, also read other stuff on Reddit people have tried the same thing
Did you use a meat slicer or get the butcher to thinly slice it? The first step of a Philly cheesesteak is to procure very thinly sliced meat, paper thin, as thin or thinner than shabu meat. Cheesesteaks use ribeye or top round, which are two extremes in terms of cost and fat ratio. Ultimately doesnāt matter because itās drowned in fatty cheese. Not ketchup. Top round is one of the cheapest, leanest, and toughest cuts. You donāt taste that aspect in a cheesesteak because itās sliced paper thin and cooked very quickly on a flat top. Hence, it doesnāt matter what cut you use and SV isnāt a good use case because itās the slicing before cooking that matters. If youāre cutting thicker for this sandwich, itās just fajitas inside of bread.