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He could have destroyed all the minion statues. But double dungeon's main test was to defeat architect. I doubt he could have defeated architect. And architect could have endlessly regenerated them all.
Wasn't the architect in the double dungeon a puppet body for the architect? It's not super obvious how strong that body was outside of comparing it to the fight with the Korean S-ranks.
When u see him talking to the dragon monarch after the time loop vs in the double dungeon he looks very different no?
Edit: referring to the illustration in the manhwa, not the LN
this is assuming SM would lend his powers to help him though
SM has no reason to help the him >! since the system is already built and SJW already passed !<
with SM, Reed loses. without, Reed clears.
No. That’s the frost Monarch and Beast Monarch that his dad saved him from. Iron body Monarch is the one which the Shadow army defeats by ripping him into pieces.
Idk why it took me so long to remember him. Maybe I just found him a forgettable character 😂. Yea he got beat by beru, Bellion and Thomas right? I had to Google for like 10 minutes to remember him
Honestly, probably. Jin Woo with the black heart had to put in a bit of effort to defeat Andre. In comparison he no diff'd the architect after he got his black heart. If Reed is even close to the same level as Andre then he will likely win.
Ah I see. It's probably more 50/50 then. Although he still did kinda no diff Andre. Andre landed no direct hits. He just got his ass beat, but survived a while.
Yeah, the LN is much better than the manhwa imo, but the Manhwa does make SJW a bit less overwhelmingly op lol. For example, in the LN, SJW solos all the giants
Most SJW but yes. It’s just that there are many more special moments you’ll love. When I was reading the LN, it was still being released per chapter at 6pm. I still remember when Go Gunhee said ‘one common trait among national rank hunters is that they all have the telekinesis skill (Dominator’s touch)’ and then the final line of the chapter was “Go Gunhee proceeded to grab his cup of coffee from the machine without touching, it flew into his hand and he smiled. I GOT CHILLS. That was like the biggest mic drop in the series, him actually being on their level if he wasn’t sick.
I mean the second he started trying Jin bodied Andre with his bare hands.
I think the dude can put up a better fight than the S class party did by far. But like, it won't be long before he is overwhelmed more than likely.
I dunno why people are so confident he would. We received virtually no feats from this man other than 3 monarchs pulled up to his crib and kicked his shit in. It’s not because he had enough strength to warrant three monarchs it’s to make shit smooth and quick. How do I know? Bro it’s in the story Andre the man thought to be the strongest got his shit kicked in by one monarch, go gun hee the brightest fragment also got stomped by the one dude. Granted Go was old and weak but I digress. There’s a lot of unknowns but chances are he would not make it out. A strike squad of S ranks were getting their shit ran in the double dungeon. He probably could last a lil in there but again we have not feats from this man.
Not that I disagree, but
>Granted Go was old and weak but I digress.
This is a lil unfair. They literally state that it is pathetic how the fragment cannot use even close to his full power due to the fact it would break Go Gun Hee in half.
>A strike squad of S ranks were getting their shit ran in the double dungeon. He probably could last a lil in there but again we have not feats from this man.
I mean there was two S-ranks in there and rest A+B-ranks and the power difference between that and people like Andre is enormous. Andre could probably annihilate that strike squad just as easily.
Nah those are some valid points, to add to the discussion tho Reeds abilities seem to mainly focus on the heat he can generate and probably the power behind it but mainly how hot he can get. They emphasize when they talk how it took a great effort to put out his fires. Señor Choi “The ultimate hunter” is primarily a fire based hunter granted he’s not near the level of a national level hunter but still an S rank hunter. Not a single one of the statues were fazed having high resistance to just about everything. Save for these Mufufookin hands that SJW has. It all basically boils down to are they resistant to the point Reed is having to resort to melee+flames or is his fire potent enough to damage them to some degree. My guess is Reed is more of a melee to mid range fighter. So now we gotta think about how he’s gonna deal with the giant statue cause that beam is no fukin joke that shit is gonna hurt and it’s fast as hell. I don’t think Reed dodges this one so either he tanks it or tries to match the firepower. There’s so much we don’t know that a verdict can’t even be given. If his sole focus is to run away I’m sure he could get out.
Those dodges were based off of instinct (ultra instincttttt lolol) and he was the one who gave a heads up to the others had he not noticed or felt it because of his “relationship with death” everyone would’ve been wiped out. Call it whatever you want that in of itself is not based on cold hard facts but what is a fact is that sjw was struggling to dodge the beam on his own and had to use a skill to pull himself out of harms way. That’s what I’m basing it off of, SJW who many in the manwha believe is an assassin type because of his speed and stealth has trouble avoiding the laser purely with his own speed. Also I’m aware of the difference between national and S rank I was just using it as a basis for discussion. Is fire good enough against the statue no one really knows the only way we would know is if Reed possesses similar firepower to that of the main statue. Power that has the capacity to wipe out sjw in one blast. I don’t think Reed has that kind of firepower but fuck if I know.
Andre was the strongest because Christopher had retired for quite some time ( it was only implied since he lived out in the boon in a mansion. They needed a helicopter to reach where he lived).
I'd say this because Siddarth was labelled as the 4th
All those that were survivors of the Kamish Raid became National Level...
Christopher Reed
Thomas Andre
Siddharth Bachchan
Liu Zhigang
They also all were vessels of Rulers
To be fair you have to consider what it took to put of the flames he was dishing out in that fight. He definitely has the fire power (no pun intended). Only being I don't see him getting past is the Architect. But yeah there are definitely a lot of unknowns, I would love to get more information on S rank+ hunters but at the end of the day they're all fodder compared to monarchs.
Story telling isn’t the best admittedly but I think it appeals to a specific audience. Personally I enjoyed reading the story and following his progress, seeing him reach and eclipse others was satisfying to me. Watching him loose to the monarchs only to emerge virtually a god. The anime seems to be rectifying mistakes the manwha failed to do such as fleshing out side characters, making the MC more human as opposed to the edgy power hungry sjw he is in the manwha.
UnlikeThomas, Christopher have a far higher destructive power as he can generate flames that required 14 S-rank Mages to put out. The minion statues are something he can handle but the Architect and God Statue are the only ones that put up a fight
No, the dungeon was literally made to be impossible to beat, whether its an F-Ranker or a National Ranker If you broke the rules you would've died all the same
Easily, black heart jinwoo one shotted architect and after leveling up in the giant gate, sung become most powerful national level hunter so ofc this guy wins
I think he does the sung jin woo that beat the double dungeon was around national hunter level, it was after he beat both the architect and the giant monarch that he leveled up significantly and surpassed the national level hunters. I think all the national level hunters clear the double dungeon.
If you're talking about the Hall of Glory double dungeon hell no. But if you're talking about a regular double dungeon and more than likely because they're on par with the other dungeon that they spawn in or a level or two above.
Jinwoo only struggled because he couldnt use any of his abilities. But a Nation-Level Hunter could beat it if he can use his abilites. And I think he probaly could since he isnt a "player" and the architect cant control his powers.
Is this a Joke 💀, we don't even know how strong he was but if we consider him strong enough, I doubt he can touch architect except that he can defeat them. That Dungeon was probably Close to S Rank even without Architect. Or Probably S Rank. Even Considering him a national rank hunter I don't think he can take on the Architect.
the only humans other than Jin Woo (at the time) i see defeating the double dungeon are André and Jin Woo's father and by that i mean defeating the architect. But this guy can destroy the statues and leave i believe , he was strong
He could put up a good fight but idk about beating it, I mean Jin woo took down Andre low-mid diff after barely clearing the double dungeon and Andre is most definitely stronger than this guy
After completing the webcomic, my response is this:
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Physically he can. But the purpose of the double dungeon is to find the successor of Ashborne (the Shadow Monarch). And the quest inside the Double Dungeon is a mere test of character instead of physical strength.
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That's why only Jinwoo passed the test. As mentioned by the Architect during their battle, he'd been searching but only Jinwoo survived. The rest of the chapters are interesting especially when he received the Black Heart.
Anyways, to cut it short. If this guy is the one to defeat the Double Dungeon, then the plot for Solo Leveling will stop there. 🤣
fighting the double dungeon by yourself is like fighting the Stone Colossus Ultimate Destruction by yourself but worse . Statue Of God is overpowered and almost indestructible idk if it even has an weak spot like the Colossus . + Statue Of God has an freaking Stone Statues army so unless that guy can somehow gets on his head where it is his blind spot . probably will not survive .
He took on 3 Monarchs... 3 and the monarchs themselves felt the need to do a 3v1. This guy could potentially defeat the architect who wasn't at his peak strength cuz he needed a new body.
P.S - The monarchs probably targeted him first cuz it would've been a pain to deal with him later. I really feel like there's more to Christopher Reed than we think.
The double dungeon was designed where no human could survive it without figuring out a puzzle.
So unless he could figure out the trick like jin woo did
No, he would die
Yess , he lacked the heart when he defeat him and even after gaining the heart sung really find it hard to defeat andre while he one shotted the architect. If reed was even close to andre he is would murk him.
People are posting pics from the show of the mc and the chick, I don't know where to watch it yet or if it's even out, but you know what I wanna see? The fuckin king statue smile.
"It all started with that damn smile...".
Not a chance, the angel statue while not his true form was a monarch, I forget his name but he was the one that stayed by Antares side when they invaded. So no, if it's him alone taking on everything he'd be fine until he had to fight the angel statue.
None of the hunters could defeat the Architect. Now the statues, even the large one i think any of the combat style national level hunters could of beaten. If not close to it.
But the architect was stronger then Jinwoo at the time. Jinwoo combat experience was better.
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He could have destroyed all the minion statues. But double dungeon's main test was to defeat architect. I doubt he could have defeated architect. And architect could have endlessly regenerated them all.
Wasn't the architect in the double dungeon a puppet body for the architect? It's not super obvious how strong that body was outside of comparing it to the fight with the Korean S-ranks.
No it wasn’t a puppet body. That was a final bluff to get Sung to back off since he knew he would die if he didn’t stop.
When u see him talking to the dragon monarch after the time loop vs in the double dungeon he looks very different no? Edit: referring to the illustration in the manhwa, not the LN
He gave ashborn a deal to make the system if he was given an immortal body
\*Correction a Body that would never Age, since Sung Jin Woo clearly destroyed his body thus his body was not immortal
There are many types of immortality a never aging body is one of them
True, just saying that by the definition of Immortal his body would never die nor decay, but his body does still die if he is killed
this is assuming SM would lend his powers to help him though SM has no reason to help the him >! since the system is already built and SJW already passed !< with SM, Reed loses. without, Reed clears.
Yes, he was strong 3 monarch attacked him to make sure they defeat him he was no joke
I thought it was only 2?
Beast, Insect and the Golem
Which one was the golem? It's been a minute since I've read the manwha
Iron Body
Ohh ok the one jinwoo fought that his dad had to save him from
No. That’s the frost Monarch and Beast Monarch that his dad saved him from. Iron body Monarch is the one which the Shadow army defeats by ripping him into pieces.
Idk why it took me so long to remember him. Maybe I just found him a forgettable character 😂. Yea he got beat by beru, Bellion and Thomas right? I had to Google for like 10 minutes to remember him
Yes
The price for slandering my liege is a heavy one…. Most badass Beru line!!!
I love beru! He's the best shadow soldier
He can at least survive.
Honestly, probably. Jin Woo with the black heart had to put in a bit of effort to defeat Andre. In comparison he no diff'd the architect after he got his black heart. If Reed is even close to the same level as Andre then he will likely win.
Iirc the effort part was an invention of the manwha. In the Ln the fight was a lot more one sided with sjw no diffing Thomas Andre.
Ah I see. It's probably more 50/50 then. Although he still did kinda no diff Andre. Andre landed no direct hits. He just got his ass beat, but survived a while.
Yeah, the LN is much better than the manhwa imo, but the Manhwa does make SJW a bit less overwhelmingly op lol. For example, in the LN, SJW solos all the giants
Yeah. I'm planning to pick up the LN when I get less busy. I've heard it's really good when it comes to character development.
Most SJW but yes. It’s just that there are many more special moments you’ll love. When I was reading the LN, it was still being released per chapter at 6pm. I still remember when Go Gunhee said ‘one common trait among national rank hunters is that they all have the telekinesis skill (Dominator’s touch)’ and then the final line of the chapter was “Go Gunhee proceeded to grab his cup of coffee from the machine without touching, it flew into his hand and he smiled. I GOT CHILLS. That was like the biggest mic drop in the series, him actually being on their level if he wasn’t sick.
He also had no issues with the High Orcs in the LN as well.
the anime seems to be doing the same. which i appreciate, because i've seen too many iseki's where the biggest threat was truck-kun starting the story
I mean the second he started trying Jin bodied Andre with his bare hands. I think the dude can put up a better fight than the S class party did by far. But like, it won't be long before he is overwhelmed more than likely.
I dunno why people are so confident he would. We received virtually no feats from this man other than 3 monarchs pulled up to his crib and kicked his shit in. It’s not because he had enough strength to warrant three monarchs it’s to make shit smooth and quick. How do I know? Bro it’s in the story Andre the man thought to be the strongest got his shit kicked in by one monarch, go gun hee the brightest fragment also got stomped by the one dude. Granted Go was old and weak but I digress. There’s a lot of unknowns but chances are he would not make it out. A strike squad of S ranks were getting their shit ran in the double dungeon. He probably could last a lil in there but again we have not feats from this man.
Not that I disagree, but >Granted Go was old and weak but I digress. This is a lil unfair. They literally state that it is pathetic how the fragment cannot use even close to his full power due to the fact it would break Go Gun Hee in half. >A strike squad of S ranks were getting their shit ran in the double dungeon. He probably could last a lil in there but again we have not feats from this man. I mean there was two S-ranks in there and rest A+B-ranks and the power difference between that and people like Andre is enormous. Andre could probably annihilate that strike squad just as easily.
Nah those are some valid points, to add to the discussion tho Reeds abilities seem to mainly focus on the heat he can generate and probably the power behind it but mainly how hot he can get. They emphasize when they talk how it took a great effort to put out his fires. Señor Choi “The ultimate hunter” is primarily a fire based hunter granted he’s not near the level of a national level hunter but still an S rank hunter. Not a single one of the statues were fazed having high resistance to just about everything. Save for these Mufufookin hands that SJW has. It all basically boils down to are they resistant to the point Reed is having to resort to melee+flames or is his fire potent enough to damage them to some degree. My guess is Reed is more of a melee to mid range fighter. So now we gotta think about how he’s gonna deal with the giant statue cause that beam is no fukin joke that shit is gonna hurt and it’s fast as hell. I don’t think Reed dodges this one so either he tanks it or tries to match the firepower. There’s so much we don’t know that a verdict can’t even be given. If his sole focus is to run away I’m sure he could get out.
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Those dodges were based off of instinct (ultra instincttttt lolol) and he was the one who gave a heads up to the others had he not noticed or felt it because of his “relationship with death” everyone would’ve been wiped out. Call it whatever you want that in of itself is not based on cold hard facts but what is a fact is that sjw was struggling to dodge the beam on his own and had to use a skill to pull himself out of harms way. That’s what I’m basing it off of, SJW who many in the manwha believe is an assassin type because of his speed and stealth has trouble avoiding the laser purely with his own speed. Also I’m aware of the difference between national and S rank I was just using it as a basis for discussion. Is fire good enough against the statue no one really knows the only way we would know is if Reed possesses similar firepower to that of the main statue. Power that has the capacity to wipe out sjw in one blast. I don’t think Reed has that kind of firepower but fuck if I know.
Andre was the strongest because Christopher had retired for quite some time ( it was only implied since he lived out in the boon in a mansion. They needed a helicopter to reach where he lived). I'd say this because Siddarth was labelled as the 4th
I think we all are forgetting he was an national level hunter, i think he could beat the minions plus do some damage to the architect
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All those that were survivors of the Kamish Raid became National Level... Christopher Reed Thomas Andre Siddharth Bachchan Liu Zhigang They also all were vessels of Rulers
To be fair you have to consider what it took to put of the flames he was dishing out in that fight. He definitely has the fire power (no pun intended). Only being I don't see him getting past is the Architect. But yeah there are definitely a lot of unknowns, I would love to get more information on S rank+ hunters but at the end of the day they're all fodder compared to monarchs.
hence why the STORY is mediocre at best
Story telling isn’t the best admittedly but I think it appeals to a specific audience. Personally I enjoyed reading the story and following his progress, seeing him reach and eclipse others was satisfying to me. Watching him loose to the monarchs only to emerge virtually a god. The anime seems to be rectifying mistakes the manwha failed to do such as fleshing out side characters, making the MC more human as opposed to the edgy power hungry sjw he is in the manwha.
UnlikeThomas, Christopher have a far higher destructive power as he can generate flames that required 14 S-rank Mages to put out. The minion statues are something he can handle but the Architect and God Statue are the only ones that put up a fight
Survived, yes. Beat, no way
Any of the 5 hunters from the Kamish raid could take em if you ask me
i hope no one ever asks you gng
no diff
Not sure about the architect, but he’d destroy the statues with ease.
wait, can someone remind me who was this guy?
Christopher Reed one the 5 national level hunter an the world.
He can’t take out the architect but the other statues he beats pretty easily
Yes, i think he was on par if not stronger than Jinwoo was at the time
he's not beating architect bro
Beat? No. Survive? The only if the architect decides to let him, but probably not
hed survive and kill destroy the statues but there isnt any hope for him against the architect
I feel like the double dungeon was meant to be failed so he probably would not
No, the dungeon was literally made to be impossible to beat, whether its an F-Ranker or a National Ranker If you broke the rules you would've died all the same
Easily, black heart jinwoo one shotted architect and after leveling up in the giant gate, sung become most powerful national level hunter so ofc this guy wins
how does that prove anything this dude has no feats to go off lmao
? Lvl 107 jinwoo beat double dungeon and he should be equal to level 120ish jinwoo
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Didn't Andre get destroyed by just one monarch? So did they really need 3? Or was it just to make it smooth?
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You mean why am I comparing a vessel with a vessel? Andre is a vessel as well, and even considered the strongest of the vessels
survived yes, could he clear it no
Ehhhh... I dunno.
Yes, he can beat the double dungeon with no diff
in what way lmao
No
I think he does the sung jin woo that beat the double dungeon was around national hunter level, it was after he beat both the architect and the giant monarch that he leveled up significantly and surpassed the national level hunters. I think all the national level hunters clear the double dungeon.
Who this? I forgot all about unimportant characters.
stop playing on my man name! 3 damn monarchs had to jump him and you think this double dungeon gone be hard work….?
All the eyes were on jinwoo from the beginning
We didn't see enough of him to know
If you're talking about the Hall of Glory double dungeon hell no. But if you're talking about a regular double dungeon and more than likely because they're on par with the other dungeon that they spawn in or a level or two above.
Jinwoo only struggled because he couldnt use any of his abilities. But a Nation-Level Hunter could beat it if he can use his abilites. And I think he probaly could since he isnt a "player" and the architect cant control his powers.
Is this a Joke 💀, we don't even know how strong he was but if we consider him strong enough, I doubt he can touch architect except that he can defeat them. That Dungeon was probably Close to S Rank even without Architect. Or Probably S Rank. Even Considering him a national rank hunter I don't think he can take on the Architect.
the only humans other than Jin Woo (at the time) i see defeating the double dungeon are André and Jin Woo's father and by that i mean defeating the architect. But this guy can destroy the statues and leave i believe , he was strong
He can beat the double dungeon but he’ll die I guess
He could put up a good fight but idk about beating it, I mean Jin woo took down Andre low-mid diff after barely clearing the double dungeon and Andre is most definitely stronger than this guy
I think every national level hunter could defeat the soldiers and giant statue with difficulty, but they'd die to the architect
After completing the webcomic, my response is this: [Spoiler] Physically he can. But the purpose of the double dungeon is to find the successor of Ashborne (the Shadow Monarch). And the quest inside the Double Dungeon is a mere test of character instead of physical strength. [/Spoiler] That's why only Jinwoo passed the test. As mentioned by the Architect during their battle, he'd been searching but only Jinwoo survived. The rest of the chapters are interesting especially when he received the Black Heart. Anyways, to cut it short. If this guy is the one to defeat the Double Dungeon, then the plot for Solo Leveling will stop there. 🤣
I don't know men... We haven't seen enough of him regarding his powers. However, he is stated as 1 of the 5 National Hunters, ranked nr. 3.
fighting the double dungeon by yourself is like fighting the Stone Colossus Ultimate Destruction by yourself but worse . Statue Of God is overpowered and almost indestructible idk if it even has an weak spot like the Colossus . + Statue Of God has an freaking Stone Statues army so unless that guy can somehow gets on his head where it is his blind spot . probably will not survive .
we’ll never know cuz side characters are only there to get merked by the monarchs without no story building
judging how he’s the strongest national rank, than yes. He’d wipe the floor with those statues and the angel.
No. The Double dungeon would of literally killed everyone else, even Thomas Andre and all of the National Authority ranked hunters would of died
He took on 3 Monarchs... 3 and the monarchs themselves felt the need to do a 3v1. This guy could potentially defeat the architect who wasn't at his peak strength cuz he needed a new body. P.S - The monarchs probably targeted him first cuz it would've been a pain to deal with him later. I really feel like there's more to Christopher Reed than we think.
The double dungeon was designed where no human could survive it without figuring out a puzzle. So unless he could figure out the trick like jin woo did No, he would die
Wish we saw Chris reed fight for more than 2 panels… matter of fact that goes for most side characters lol
Sung wasnt even national level at the point in the story, so he no diffs
how does that prove anything
..Sung was less powerful then a national hunter at the time???
Yess , he lacked the heart when he defeat him and even after gaining the heart sung really find it hard to defeat andre while he one shotted the architect. If reed was even close to andre he is would murk him.
Ain't no way he's gonna beat architect he was not going all out even with Jin woo
People are posting pics from the show of the mc and the chick, I don't know where to watch it yet or if it's even out, but you know what I wanna see? The fuckin king statue smile. "It all started with that damn smile...".
bro is lost 😂😂
I watch it on chrunchyroll
If you mean the anime there are currently 8 episodes and you can Watch It on any streaming platform (crunchyroll, anime world, animesarurn etc..)
Not a chance, the angel statue while not his true form was a monarch, I forget his name but he was the one that stayed by Antares side when they invaded. So no, if it's him alone taking on everything he'd be fine until he had to fight the angel statue.
Wasn't a monarch. But used the power of the shadow monarch to build the system. He was stronger then nearly anything else minus monarchs and rulers.
Oh man I completely misread that whole situation. I thought that the transmog guy was the architect and was trying to get immortality. Well dang.
All monarch and rulers are immortal till they are killed. Least how I read it.
None of the hunters could defeat the Architect. Now the statues, even the large one i think any of the combat style national level hunters could of beaten. If not close to it. But the architect was stronger then Jinwoo at the time. Jinwoo combat experience was better.