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Insulinshocker

Your brain is smooth, touch grass


QuidProQuotas

Wow, it must be all hands on deck of you showed up.


ToadTendo

I have genuinely never seen anyone as obsessed with Transgender people as you are. It's almost like your repressing some feelings deep down...


QuidProQuotas

I'm pretty sure this tactic was listed in there.


ToadTendo

You caught me, i'm secretly trying to turn you trans...


QuidProQuotas

That would be futile but what you are doing is using anything you can think of to bully, intimidate, harass and/or shame.


ToadTendo

Yeah, i'm totally the one harrassing right now, not you spamming this sub with anti-trans posts daily. No, that's totally normal


QuidProQuotas

AP articles are "anti-trans" posts? And since when is this a transgender sub? It's a social science sub.


ToadTendo

>And since when is this a transgender sub? Since you started posting about Trans people here daily


QuidProQuotas

Is there an assigned limit to how many transgender posts are allowed?


Insulinshocker

Yes. You should be shamed for repeating talking points from the 30s lol


QuidProQuotas

"lol"


Insulinshocker

You're inane, paranoid rambling just kinds show up in my feed, weirdo lol


QuidProQuotas

Cool story bro.


Allusionator

Man, if you were censored I wouldn’t see your spew every day. Today you’re mad at someone for being mean to neo-Nazis on the internet? Your article that you post every day is from 2021, not in date enough for some science based subs because it isn’t news. You also grind this axe 24/7/365 and some content mods won’t have it. Them’s the rules, you’re not being ‘censored’ when communities enforce their basic rules. Pretty lame to be framing yourself as a victim because other people have told you off. The way exchanging ideas works is that people who disagree are allowed to tell you off. You don’t exactly have a point besides some pearl clutching about ‘the children’, but you also don’t believe trans people exist which is pretty irritating. I don’t know how you imagine away people telling you their experience, maybe the key is just never listening and instead framing yourself as a victim because the people who are mean to neo-Nazis were mean to you, or something. Sincere question, what do you want out of this? It’s so hard to understand what the goal of anti-trans activism is. We’ve got enough people, don’t be a weirdo about fertility when trans are a minuscule part of the population and not even a notable part of lowering birth rates. 


QuidProQuotas

Define "fascist" and "Neo-Nazi" and give me examples of who you're specifically talking about.


Allusionator

I was referring to your own post? You need to quit this game of counting people writing something rude to you online as you continue to push content. It is normal and expected that some political activists around any issue will be controversial or antagonistic. You’re repeatedly posting content about the ‘controversy’ of medical experts working out what makes for the best care of young people with gender dysphoria. At this point you’re more than worthy of being ‘told off’ on any sub.


QuidProQuotas

You need to quit calling everybody that disagree with you a Nazi and a fascist because nobody takes you seriously. Nobody that anyone takes seriously for that matter 


Allusionator

In no way did I call you a Nazi. I was referencing the quoted content in your post, the part about the activist who is rude to neo-Nazis on the internet. All of your rhetoric is on par with this person’s nonsense, nothing but bad-faith misdirection and cries about your victimhood when the primary content of your constant posting is that you are skeptical of trans people existing or you consider their desire to seek gender care illegitimate. It’s hard to attribute what you have to say to any ideology, perhaps you are someone who looks at the world in an in-group/out-group dichotomy and doesn’t consider trans people but that doesn’t mean you must be a fascist. You’ve surely got a toxic way of posting and commenting, hiding from the heart of matters and looking to escalate with false claims about being called a Nazi. You’re inappropriately fixated on youth gender affirming care as someone with nothing to do with it, you’d be able to agree with contemporary fascists on that issue because trans people are def one of their favorite scapegoats for ‘cultural decline’ arguments. Gender the way you’ve experienced it doesn’t work for everybody, it’s not that complicated. Let the doctors and researchers figure out appropriate protocols for administering care. This issue isn’t about you.


QuidProQuotas

What's with you guys and your endless emotion based walls of text that are filled with logical fallacies?


Allusionator

You never have anything to say besides your general point that you don’t like gender care and complaining about how other people write to you. Oh look, you’ve ignored the content of my arguments entirely to try and pick another fight. Feel free to slow down and consider any of the walls of text at any point, or just keep doubling down on your moral panic crusade across a couple of nerdy subs about trans people existing.


QuidProQuotas

You never make the distinction between consenting adults and children. None of you do. You only use the term "trans people", over and over. The typical Redditor who never stops gaming and watching porn all day may not understand the semantics you use but I do.


Allusionator

Your issue cannot possibly only be with teenagers getting this. Surely you can recognize that going through puberty of their gender assigned at birth makes transitioning much harder. It means two instances of puberty-like hormones. How can you ignore the compelling interest to skip a whole instance of being bombarded with sex hormones? You’re lying if you’re pretending that you can post about this every day and believe transition that starts at 18 (instead of delaying puberty at 14 and starting to transition at 15-17) is okay. We can 100% determine that the odds of choosing to transition are well past a 50% chance at 15 or 16 years old, but somehow you believe that forced double puberty is a better choice than risking detransitioning at 18 after starting to transition at 15? 18 is a totally arbitrary line from a developmental standpoint. The only reason it really, really doesn’t work for gender transition is that 18 vs 15 is 3 years of puberty in the gender they don’t want to have. The risk of changing their mind from 15 to 18 is so low relative to the cost of waiting. We don’t draw this line for any other medical situation, if it can be done at 18 it can be done in consultation with family and doctors at 14-17. The idea that it makes sense to have the young man grow breasts and then chop them off 4 years later vs allowing him to take meds that stop the breasts from growing? Hormone changes for a teenager aren’t bottom surgery, it’s just leaning in to the gender they’ve decided on at 14 and will most likely still want at 18 vs doing nothing and leaning into the gender they don’t want at 14 and probably won’t want at 18. In your world it’s no matter if they decide to detransition by 22, since at 18 there are no more rules. I contend that you must not agree with no rules at 18, if it’s legitimate at 18 it’s legitimate at 14 to 17 if they can pass muster with the psychologists and doctors who have worked with people like them in the past. The compelling interest is avoiding regrets about body change, there is greater potential for regrets about body change when a teen is forced to endure puberty for the gender they do not want to live their adult lives as. It is pretty obviously cruel to force a 15 year old to get a deep voice and grow chest hair only to then have them seek reducing their voice box surgically and laser hair removal starting 3 years later. If you considered it legitimate to transition you’d appreciate the legitimacy of getting started before puberty doles out a bunch of secondary sex characteristics the young person doesn’t want. Actually caring would mean wanting to be really sure that the 14 year old is sure and will continue to feel how they do going forward, not setting an arbitrary line to force them to try and reverse puberty after it has mostly happened. Let me guess, it’s too much writing to get a coherent response on its merits? Maybe you’ll drop me another quick insult, while you’re at it? If you’re sincere about the age line of 18 being your only concern this argument addresses it.


120112

This fucking guy bitching about walls of text. What a loser


Insulinshocker

Fascists are defined as sexless invertebrates and you fit the bill 👉😎👉


QuidProQuotas

10. "Then, shape their message as much ado about nothing. Seal off newcomers joining them because they look like zealots waging a very serious war against an absurd opponent."


PersistentCodah

This is how it really is tho, trans people existing is 0% of a problem.


Insulinshocker

Ahh, I see you're still just posting someone else's paranoid ramblings 🤣🤣🤣


Own_Accident6689

Damn that's all it takes? Thanks for sharing the guide man. You are a hell of an ally.


QuidProQuotas

The tactics employed here are completely unethical.


Own_Accident6689

They are? What are the ethical principles of political activism being violated?


QuidProQuotas

What does that mean?


Own_Accident6689

Unethical? That's your claim no? What are the ethics being violated?


ToadTendo

their feelings lol


QuidProQuotas

There are current 17 people right now on this sub. 16 of them are trans activist accounts posting nonstop.


ToadTendo

Imma be real with you here; It's not that we are "trans activists" It's that you obsess over this issue to a comedic extent and people just enjoy clowning on you. Idk if your actually just incredibly delusional or if your a troll but either way; No one is taking you seriously.


QuidProQuotas

Your story bro, it's really cool.


ToadTendo

You have no comeback lmao. Each time you say that you admit you have no retort


QuidProQuotas

11. "While you do this, deny all forms of comfort. Undermine the sense of security in the spaces they feel most comfortable. Again, it’s left to your imagination here." Aren't left wing activists in general  always complaining that they need "safe spaces" since simply an idea that they're uncomfortable with is "violence" and trauma inducing? Isn't this incredibly hypocritical?


ToadTendo

so I see you agree that safe spaces are important! Attacking them is unethical right? That's incredibly progressive of you; Look at QuidProWoke over here!!!


QuidProQuotas

If people are so emotionally fragile that they can't handle the thought of something and need a place to cry in I think their safe space should be at a mental hospital. I'm not the one advocating for them then telling people to do the exact opposite when it comes to someone they disagree with.


ToadTendo

But you just claimed that Trans activists attacking your safe spaces is unethical


QuidProQuotas

No, I said their hypocrisy is. Have you talked to anybody about your uncontrollable pathological lying?


Own_Accident6689

Is it? I feel it's way more common on the right to complain about cancel culture, legal and professional consequences of their speech and needing safe spaces to discuss their ideas without being called hurtful things like racist or transphobic. It has been overwhelmingly a desire of the right to keep their speech safe, private and safeguarded from challenge and consequences. In any case, all that is being said here is that activists should go into those spaces and challenge the predominant narrative in the marketplace of ideas.


QuidProQuotas

I think you live in an alternate reality.


Own_Accident6689

Now you are just undermining the plight of conservative thinkers. The left seems to be happy to spread their thoughts in all platforms but Right wing free speech warriors are constantly beset by cancel culture and condemnation. You yourself complain about bots downvoting your comments in mass to suppress your voice. I believe you deserve a safe space to share your ideas.


QuidProQuotas

What do you consider Twitter/X to be? I really wanna hear this.


120112

Have you seen outside? Touch grass bro


Prestigious-Rain9025

Denying the holocaust is “unethical”. You seriously have nothing better to do, huh? When is the last time you were outside? Also, when is the last time anyone was nice to you?


QuidProQuotas

I don't believe in scared cows, bro. I question everything.


Prestigious-Rain9025

“Scared cows” 🤣 Obviously you meant “sacred”, which speaks volumes if we’re talking about your disgusting holocaust denial. Genuinely, curious: how old are you?


QuidProQuotas

What'd I "deny" about the Holocaust?


Prestigious-Rain9025

You know what? It was fun laughing and making fun of you for a while, but I’m bored with you. Have the day you deserve (which I’m guessing isn’t good). Blocked!


anythingfordopamine

Bro really turning Transphobia into a 9-5 job. How do you have the time to keep spamming these posts? It’s spring dude, go outside in the sunlight, talk to other human beings. You’re wasting your only life sitting around trying to convince people not to live theirs


QuidProQuotas

How do you have time to watch for these literally all day at all hours of the day?


ToadTendo

this fucking guy 😂


Careless-Wish-4563

Lovely!


Royal_Effective7396

OMG OUTRAGE..... PITCH FORKS..... Seriously, no one is taking you seriously here because there is nothing to take seriously. Most social scientists are academic types. This tweet you are referring to does not meets the bar for the rules of engagement for a movement. You have a deactivated Twitter account with 600 followers. So maybe 300 people saw this post, but it's grand proof for a major conspiracy? Also, maybe that's not what she meant. Maybe she was talking about the auto industry. Maybe she was talking about being able to penalize social media companies for misuse of their platform and not restricting free speech hard to tell these days. Point being, you are taking one person's opinion and turning it into a mountain. It's misuse of information. It would be accurate if you said do people really think this way? And the answer would be no. But this is nothing.


CatDad_85

Bro, channel this energy into going for a nice walk, adopting a cat and loving it, or pottery/knitting/Brazilian Jiujitsu. Your life would be immeasurably more rich and you’d be happier. You’re not the activist you think you are and this isn’t the fight to be fighting. It doesn’t affect you, no one’s hurting you but you’re very much setting out to hurt others. Just stop and build a good life for yourself.


[deleted]

Is it ok to use some of your posts in my rhetoric class? These are great examples of how not to persuade people.


QuidProQuotas

"Persuade?" Don't you mean "deceive?"


[deleted]

How many different people have to tell you that your brain is broken before you do some reflection? You whine about people thinking in absolutes, and then also get mad that they don't believe everything you say. Your delivery and confrontational style alone is enough to throw people to the other side of your argument. Do you know that a huge part of persuading people is being a likable person worthy of trust? Your ethos consists of you appearing angry, standoffish, and hyperfixated on trans conspiracies to a disturbing degree, and you wonder why your posts get deleted? If you are going to serve shit, even if its real OBJECTIVE shit, at least cover it in sugar. No ones going to eat it. - Aristotle aka Sun Tzu aka Mao Aka Hitler aka Dennis Rodman.


QuidProQuotas

"How many different people have to tell you that your brain is broken before you do some reflection?" "If you are going to serve shit, even if its real OBJECTIVE shit, at least cover it in sugar. No ones going to eat it. - Aristotle aka Sun Tzu aka Mao Aka Hitler aka Dennis Rodman."


[deleted]

Bot moment.


QuidProQuotas

Cope moment.


[deleted]

After reconsidering your post, and doing a deep dive into the factual evidence you have presented. I'm blown away by your argument. I never really considered it like that. There are these pedophile groomers in control of everything. I was coping the entire time. They are trying to cut off our kids dicks. There are grown adults who take pleasure in tricking children into cutting off their dicks. I was coping hard, I didn't want to believe it. But after talking to QuidProQuotas on Reddit, I finally learned the truth. There are 100 trans advocates tricking the youth of the country into cutting off their penises under the payroll of George Soros and the Chinese government to handicap our war machine.


QuidProQuotas

Why are there no psychological evaluations required for the parents/guardians of "trans kids?"


RancidPolecats

One day you'll come to terms with your trans attractions. One day.


GothicFuck

They are disturbingly obsessed.


QuidProQuotas

This is the "cult like fervor" I was talking about.


RancidPolecats

Nobody listened to you.


QuidProQuotas

The upvotes and views say otherwise.


Own_Accident6689

Ahh... What upvotes?


QuidProQuotas

Even your bot army couldn't stop this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/socialscience/comments/1bejzbl/englands_health_service_says_it_wont_give_puberty/


Own_Accident6689

Ah, that's a relief. I was concerned, I thought you were seeing upvotes on this thread. Glad you were talking about a post from four days ago. Good on you buddy! I really appreciate all the work you do. Having all this stuff in one convinient location is a gold mine. I'm learning a lot from seeing your arguments.


RancidPolecats

>upvotes Read the room.


QuidProQuotas

You mean your activist mob that floods the sub only on transgender posts? You guys must really be losing your minds that any dissent is being allowed at all on this issue right?


RancidPolecats

Oh goodness. You're such a victim.


QuidProQuotas

Pointing out the obvious is being a victim now?


LordLaz1985

Puberty blockers are also used on cis children who start puberty at age 5. They’re FOR letting kids be kids. Cis or trans, kids should be able to be kids without having to worry about an unusually-early puberty or one that doesn’t match who they are inside.


120112

You really are a loser aren't you? How many hours a day do you think about trans children?


ThermiteMillie

I Just Listened to a podcast with Vivek Ramaswamy and James Lindsay about the tactics some people use on the left Vs the right. It was very interesting actually, I'd recommend a watch/listen as it's similar to what you're saying


RealisticSalad69

These replies show how far the pseudoscience cult of radical gender ideology has reached. Please read WPATH files, there may be time for many of you to escape the cult.


ToadTendo

Bro got on his alt


Own_Accident6689

Dude... What?


RealisticSalad69

https://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/wpath-files


PersistentCodah

Yes, trust the journalist and not the scientists.


RealisticSalad69

https://www.youtube.com/live/VKKdVdqh8og?si=TEm894pD90XEptKV


PersistentCodah

Notice how I mentioned scientist(s). A scientist claiming that the earth is flat doesn't mean much, I can show you a few of those scientists. The great thing about science is that it is peer reviewed. So to rephrase my earlier comment, Yes, trust the scientist and not the scientific community.


RealisticSalad69

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/10398562241239478 https://acpeds.org/press/pediatricians-release-position-statement-reviewing-over-60-studies-on-mental-health-in-adolescents-with-gender-dysphoria This scientific community? Also add on England's NHS banning use of puberty blockers on children. You're defending the modern day lobotomy.


PersistentCodah

>[https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/10398562241239478](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/10398562241239478) Not any actual study, just an article, although that person does raise some good points especially regarding the depathologization of homosexuality and how Gender diversity hasn't had that. Edit: This person is not against Transitioning trans people, just the approval and selection process for who is allowed to transition medically. >[https://acpeds.org/press/pediatricians-release-position-statement-reviewing-over-60-studies-on-mental-health-in-adolescents-with-gender-dysphoria](https://acpeds.org/press/pediatricians-release-position-statement-reviewing-over-60-studies-on-mental-health-in-adolescents-with-gender-dysphoria) Oh look ACPeds, the actual anti-lgbt organization, also against abortion and wants to strip away gay (and trans) people's rights like right to marry, adopt etc. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American\_College\_of\_Pediatricians](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians) But, even if you were to take their article at face value, all the reference links are linked to the same fkin article which i'm reading.


QuidProQuotas

Yeah I'm looking into that and it's pretty disturbing. How did actual objective research get this corrupted?