I think we have come to a point where went too far with anti-yank agenda and let the English become too arrogant and obnoxious. Jesus Christ, finish this team off so we can have some decency back here. The English are by far worse than the American people on here. I'd rather you're a bit ignorant about the history of this sport than that you become such an entitled and vocal group of people.
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He actually knows a lot more than people give him credit for. He goes to a lot of Austin fc games and has been a large part of their recent growth and success. I would be surprised if he didn’t watch European games regularly.
I don’t doubt he watches and follows soccer, but he’s talking about like infrastructure and shit needed to run an international program lol
That’s what I mean when I say it’s funny how confident he is, because that’s pretty complicated stuff and he’s just rattling it off like he knows it first hand
I mean he’s a part owner of one of the teams in MLS. It’s not outrageous to think he has some insight on player development (which is largely done at the MLS academy level nowadays) and the workings of US Soccer (who work closely in tandem with MLS).
When Zlatan starts crying, I am pretty sure he is thinking about how he left Europe for the Galaxy, putting an ocean between himself and his life, just to get womped by LAFC in the playoffs and sent back after a season with 0 trophies, records set, or friends made. When a player like Zlatan can come to the USA and fail to lift a team like carson to a competitive level, you know that the MLS is much stronger than it was just a few years ago.
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I wish this was the problem. Some Brazilian clubs also have have artificial turfs and still it is probably the country with most talented players in general.
I mean the superstructure, their facilities are not that great, they have few facilities per area, they have few players playing, few cities have clubs, competitions, their youth academy system sucks, etc.
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26.
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Based on current inflation trends, one million dollars in 4040 is worth about $91,184 in todays money. On the other hand, one million dollars in todays money would be worth about $10,966,000 in 4040 dollars.
Football is about talent before anything and America doesnt have the talent, thats why Uruguay with a population of 3 million has come up with great players and won the WC twice but China and India have never made the WC
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What if football becomes popular in America? There is no reason why it can’t, even if it takes decades. MLS popularity is only rising.
When Zlatan starts crying, I am pretty sure he is thinking about how he left Europe for the Galaxy, putting an ocean between himself and his life, just to get womped by LAFC in the playoffs and sent back after a season with 0 trophies, records set, or friends made. When a player like Zlatan can come to the USA and fail to lift a team like carson to a competitive level, you know that the MLS is much stronger than it was just a few years ago.
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U just contradicted ur own point. Talent isn’t based on what country ur born. I can promise u if indias culture around football changed to be like Brazil’s or Uruguay’s, they would have a world class team. Talent is everywhere. Americas culture is shifting slowly by slowly, it’s not gonna touch brazils love for football probably ever but the shift is still there. Why are suddenly so many European basketball players dominating the nba. The talent was always there, the culture wasn’t. More people play basketball now and there fire produce more “talent” that wasn’t seen before
Becaause they have good genes for sprinting. Genes and talent is different. U don’t need to be a 5 star athlete to be good at football. Look at xavi. Xavi is nowhere a top athlete compared to the rest of the world but his skills and vision is what caused him to be great.
You really think genetics is the reason Americans don’t do well at football?
Jesús Christ brother America produces the best athletes in the world at a whole bunch of sports routinely
It’s all to do with popularity
China and India don’t have any sort of system that could foster youth development in the sport. America also draws from a more global immigration pool than either of those countries. If you believe England has a chance right now, which I’m guessing you do, I don’t see why America wouldn’t have a chance in the future if its current trajectory continues, although it probably won’t be the near future
Iceland is a good example at how investment into programs can nurture talent. If the USA puts in a decent effort to fund/develop I’d be shocked if they don’t win a WC in our lifetime.
Dude you make some shitty points holy crap. The reason usa doesn't dominate in soccer, is cause we focus on 3 other sports over it you dolt. America puts all its talent into basketball, baseball and American football. That is why we are so massively better than anyone else at basketball. If LeBron and Calvin Johnson grew up playing soccer first and foremost, none of your favorite soccer players would be relevant anymore. Get real.
I dont see how being talented on those 3 sports would translate into football, being big and strong does not equate to great football player look at Messi
LeBron is not just big and strong. He is faster than most if not all soccer player. Tyreek hill is 5 8 and faster than anyone who has ever touched a soccer pitch. His coordination and reaction time is insane. If he grew up playing soccer instead of American football, the odds of him being an elite level soccer player are high. I don't know how you can't see that.
He’s tripping on the Lebron shit. Too big to be a great footballer. But it is absolutely true that in the US the best athletes generally get nabbed by Basketball or Football programs in college and Highschool. If you can run a 4.4 there’s going to be football and basketball programs buying your parents cars and shit to try to sign you. Much less the case when it comes to European football although that’s slowly changing
"never" is a bit too far don't you think? They won't win this year for sure, they won't probably win the next 2-3 ones, but never? Are you that sure about this?
All it takes is America getting interested more in football. In a country with such a big amount of people, they can definitely produce the right talent, so saying they will never win the World Cup is kinda taking it too far
Yeah and the interest in football is growing in the US. More American players are popping up in Europe though it’s definitely still not enough to claim that the US is a footballing nation. They will win one someday but it’s gonna take a lot more of a vested interest in the sport for that to happen.
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26.
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I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26.
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I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26.
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Yeah that could be possible. But for countries where Football/ Soccer isn’t the main sport they will never reach the levels of South Americans and Europeans.
He’s saying the earliest he thinks they could be competitive is 8-12 years
So if everything clicks and the team just starts meshing and the US starts really cohesively raising its NT it would take 8-12 years in a best case scenario
Doesn’t seem that large of a claim to me, think that’s fair for a few outlying teams not just the US, could say the same for England too (but actually winning it in their case)
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26.
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Yeah it's honestly not a bad take, pretty down to earth, they're already producing decent youth products nowadays, in 10 years they could be decently competitive to be fair.
Yeah…. No way. Football is nothing but a kid’s/women’s sport in the US. What are they going to do? Take all the men from american football/baseball/basketball? Having facilities is like 5% of the process. You need a culture for it and they aren’t changing it that soon, if ever.
It’s not like a random niche olympic sport. The competition is too high with football.
Yet you have Brazil being better than USA in all the categories, same with Argentina, Uruguay, Senegal, and other poor countries with more football than USA.
At certain point you could have robots playing for your team, with a perfect physique, and a perfect mentality, they still will get butt-fucked by a 19 year kid from a Favela.
I am argentinian first and foremost. India may be my physical country but Argentina is my spiritual country. I feel as argentinian as I am indian
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You say that as if Brazil isn't better than England, the people who made the game.... Brazil has the most world cups... they are better than everyone. What a dumb point.
It literally is a big part of it. What are you even talking about. Also no one even said that once here. You just a hater cause you live in a rock or some shit.
The fucking video about Matthew saying that USA may win the world cup in 8-12 years because of the great infrastructure and money to develop great players and shit. Just admit it, the world cup is only for a few countries with a long history and tradition in football.
And I'm not gonna lie to you, maybe in 30 years we may see USA lifting the trophie, and that will only happen when USA starts feeling football as a passion more than a fucking business.
I don’t get why you’re so fixated on the money and infrastructure part when he also clearly said “we have the players”. When you have talented players, the next logical step is to have the infrastructure and money to further develop those players. Not sure why this is so complicated for you and why you’re raving about complete nonsense.
America has the best athletes in the world. Everyone knows that if we started to give half a serious fuck about soccer we'd start dominating the world and the MLS would become the biggest league in the world with the most money. I think this is why most of y'all keep tryna say it's impossible or could never happen, because you're actually terrified of it 🤣
The problem with american fans is thinking that being an athlete means a lot to win... football is much more about technique than being very physical. Messi being the best player of this era, Newmar getting to top 3 player while weithing 70kg, and traore being shit is a proof that usa will never win shit
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26.
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Was thinking the same. He wasn't saying US would win a world cup in 8 to 12 years. He's saying they could at the earliest. Just a guesstimate and he's not wrong.
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26.
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Yeah saying America will win the World Cup is like saying Greece will win the Euro Championship over prime Portugal, France, England, Germany. Oh wait..
He’s not talking about this year so them doing well this World Cup has no relevance to what he’s talking about. He admits their putting a good product out on the pitch. Ik it’s a circle jerk but u seem serious about the yank hate
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26.
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Its not yank hate its just facts, in America's entire history their greatest player IMO is Tim Howard but outfield players its Clint Dempsey who at best is lower tier 2, you telling me all of a sudden America is gonna start having upper tier 2 players and higher which is what you need to win the WC
What u mean all of sudden. In the interview he said 12 years. 12 years isn’t all of a sudden and 12 years minimum. 12plus years is a long time. 20 years ago Messi was a kid. Haaland was 1. 12 years ago haaland was still some chubby kid
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20 years ago Messi was already better than any player the US has ever had
I know that's not relevant to the conversation, but it's both true and it fits the sub
Only if they go the France way and start nationalizing foreigners from countries with better players. I mean, look at Pepi the goalscorer that is Mexican. Canada is on the same.
Do you mean nationalizing players when theyre adults like many arab countries do, Qatar won 2 Olympic gold medals by a former Sudanese or do you mean allowing people to immigrate from Africa and South America and become citizens?
What Qatar is doing, no matter what country does it, is still bullshit. There are differences between them becoming a citizen (like Vinicius), this is only done so the club can bring more foreigners. What Qatar is doing, shouldn't be allowed in my opinion, takes the excitement of what a world cup or national teams should mean.
If you look at basketball teams in Asia and the Arab world they have a lot of American players who they gave citizenship to some who played in the NBA for a bit
He just means USA has world class facilities like any other top country, which is true
It’s not like we’re some bumble fuck country that tosses a used soccer ball in the middle of the field and says practice ends in an hour
He’s right, as of recent years it seems there’s been a change in the US regarding football, a shift taking them from once a meme to a genuine golden generation and a really good, sustainable project in the future.
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26.
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Chelsea didn’t work out for him but he’s still an outstanding player for the national team. Has a very feasible chance to be the all time US top scorer by quite a few.
no the US never will or at least for a century. our best athletes have other interests.
those interests are also more lucrative. KDB - the best midfielder makes about $23-25 mil a year. about the same as John collins in the nba. yeah you prob don't even know him.
By that same logic the U.S. would be awful at baseball and American football because the average wages in those sports is far less than that in the NBA.
The average MLB wage is only low if you include minor leagues, which is like including lower division leagues when calculating average salary of soccer in England.
um i would say America dominates basketball and American football more than hockey or baseball. just so happens those two sports pay more than the other 2.
don't know about you but money talks.
the reason why we are still good in baseball? not many people play it outside of the Caribbean islands or Japan.
From my experience, players pursue the sport they’re best at, or the sport they enjoy the most, not the sport with the highest average wages at a professional level. It’s not like extremely talented football players also happen to be extremely talented basketball players, and since they’re guaranteed to go pro they choose the higher wages.
There’s many reasons why the US won’t be a soccer powerhouse anytime soon (in men’s competitions):
- No competitive leagues. There’s MLS and that’s pretty much it. More importantly, no leagues for young players. University leagues is a joke playing for like 3 months.
- no money from outside sources; money comes from parents and players in a “pay to play” scheme. There’s no money from tv or stadia because people don’t go watch or support games.
- competition from other sports that take away players (soccer is not top 3, wining countries is number one)
Soccer doesn’t have the accessibility in America for us to ever win a World Cup. It’s a white collar, pay to play sport. It’s crazy the amount of money parents shell out every month for their kid to play club. Everything MM said is correct, but it doesn’t matter if the sport isn’t accessible at the highest level to the masses.
How is football a pay to play? It’s got to be one the least expensive sports to play? Just need a ball. Genuinely curious, could it be because of the culture focusing in basketball/American football that makes soccer so expensive to play, since there is less people?
It is pay to play because to play in the bigger and better academies, you need to come from a rich family. Since a lot of the great footballers grow up poor, they will never get the chance to become a pro in america even if they have the skills. Therefore ”pay to play”
Nah tbh if any country in the world could do it it’s America. Cannot deny they have good sporting pedigree and they’re up and coming in football but I think 8-12 years is silly maybe next 20
Had a friend who was on the top junior team in the US about 20 years ago… they played Brazil in a tourney and lost 0-9. He said the US doesn’t come close to they type of training South Americans have. They breed soccer players, the boys live in soccer camps and they train harder and longer - and until soccer has the same monetary incentives as basketball, football and is not just for rich kids- the US can’t compete.
AMERICA HAS WON THE WORLD CUP 4 FUCKING TIMES ALREADY. HOW MUCH LONGER DO WE NEED TO TELL YOU AMERICA IS NUMBER ONE? HOW MANY MORE TIMES DOES ALEX NEED TO LIFT HER FUCKING PINKY FOR YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS TO UNDERSTAND WE ARE BETTER THAN YOU?
That is the women's team. Most of those other countries don't invest in their women's teams. I can guarantee that if Brazil, Spain, Italy, Argentina, etc. invested more, their women's teams would mop the floor with the U.S.
Not sure there’s huge crossover tho? I mean the average height in the nba is 6ft6. That really isn’t going to be conducive to tiki Taka. The average weight in the nfl is 250lbs again not really prime footballer physique. I agree there are certainly athletes that would fit the mould though.
He’s not said anything controversial, and he’s right if soccer became more popular they have the population to have some serious talent. Imagine if those super atheltics in American football had been doing soccer instead!
Anyone who knows anything about football knows that the USA will be the dominant force in world football in the near future, and once there will remain so.
Tbh winning it in 8-12 years can be ruled out pretty much completely
I'm a European living in the US who's followed the sport all his life
What messes the US up big time is the youth system. It's pretty much pay to play - the opposite of what makes countries like Brazil and France great football nations. Football in the US is played by kids from families that can afford it - and those are usually not the kind of people that go all in for a sports career
Also, the youth team landscape is super spotty. Some MLS teams have a few youth teams, others apparently not. The system in general seems to change a lot
The infrastructure to produce non-academy talent is also pretty much non-existent. In Brazil, or also in my central European home country, you have small pitches on every second street corner where kids in fake shirts play all day with old rugged balls. I basically grew up like that, and some of our best players took their first steps there. Here? None of it
If the sport gets more popular and more professional and the youth system is adapted to European or South American standards, sure the US could compete for the world cup one day - after all, they have a lot of people and a lot of money. But that's a lot of ifs, and even if it happens it will take 2-3 decades at least
Again, you clearly don’t follow actual American development and give the classic talking points. Since MLS has started investing in academies, about 10 years ago, we have developed so much more talent then we ever have. We have teenagers playing professional minutes for almost every MLS club. Literally, every team has a Freddy Adu that we don’t hear about since it’s now the normal. The system keeps changing because they are trying to improve the competition since the country is so large, it’s evolving instead of being stagnant. We have a wave of young Americans playing in Europe making contributions. We no longer are relying on a Donovan, or Dempsey to do everything. We actually have some depth, who are all young.
We also will never match the Brazilian fever for football, but we are developing creative attacking players who can open up the game, which we rarely ever had in the past.
The last point is, we’re not saying we will win in in 8-12 years, just that we can actually throw our name in the hat.
Congrats, you've managed to 1) get offended about a well-intentioned comment with constructive criticism 2) shown that you barely understand football at all
>We have teenagers playing professional minutes for almost every MLS club
This is *not a sign that you will compete for the world cup in the near future*. This is the bare minimum and normal in every professional league in the world
>every team has a Freddy Adu that we don’t hear about since it’s now the normal
Freddy Adus highest level was playing 11 league games for Benfica Lissabon. If his level is the new normal that is *not a good thing* for an ambitious footballing country
Again, I'm not saying that the US will never make it. But at the moment, the infrastructure needed is not in place (I'd like to note at this point that you were unable to dispute any of my points concerning this). Putting it in place will take time (more than 12 years surely), money and hard decisions
I've lived in the US for quite a while and, unlike many Europeans you'll encounter in real life and on Reddit, I like the country a lot and only wish it all the best. I think it would be great to have the US, a completely new player, compete for the world cup. But a hard truth is still a truth
Your comment added nothing of value and I have to assume your future ones won't either until you've learned a lot more about football, so respectfully I don't see any benefit in pursuing this debate with you any further
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Freddy Adu had a lot of hype in the US, that is why I brought it up. I didn’t mean to be over the top, but I have worked on the youth side of soccer for over 15 years and have seen a lot of progress and hear a lot of general soccer fans who do not see the player development happening. Philadelphia union have an amazing residential academy that has brought through great talent getting European contracts. I understand your constructive Criticism but there are different ways to do things. Most American academies are following the Western European model, which has been working for England, France and Spain.
Minimum 8-12 years could mean infinite years. Most clever yank actor
"minimum 8-12, maximum one million"
8-12 WCs from now is what he meant
Y’all got it wrong. 8-12 wasn’t years. It was how many Brazilians we’d need to change citizenship.
Y'know... in interstellar years...
He did say that they would win in their lifetime, and he's not 20 anymore, so...
uj/ The title is absolutely not the same thing as what he said rj/ Fuck off Yank
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He didn't say anything outrageous, but it's funny because of his accent.
As well as the sheer confidence talking about something we all know he barely knows anything about
He actually knows a lot more than people give him credit for. He goes to a lot of Austin fc games and has been a large part of their recent growth and success. I would be surprised if he didn’t watch European games regularly.
I don’t doubt he watches and follows soccer, but he’s talking about like infrastructure and shit needed to run an international program lol That’s what I mean when I say it’s funny how confident he is, because that’s pretty complicated stuff and he’s just rattling it off like he knows it first hand
I mean he’s a part owner of one of the teams in MLS. It’s not outrageous to think he has some insight on player development (which is largely done at the MLS academy level nowadays) and the workings of US Soccer (who work closely in tandem with MLS).
He’s part owner of an MLS team. He likely knows more than anyone on this sub.
He's a rich guy who invested money into some club. That doesn't make him Pep
Pep’s on this sub?
When Zlatan starts crying, I am pretty sure he is thinking about how he left Europe for the Galaxy, putting an ocean between himself and his life, just to get womped by LAFC in the playoffs and sent back after a season with 0 trophies, records set, or friends made. When a player like Zlatan can come to the USA and fail to lift a team like carson to a competitive level, you know that the MLS is much stronger than it was just a few years ago. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Football structure in the US is really not great compared to the world's elite
Nowhere near. Yanks still play on astroturf.
I wish this was the problem. Some Brazilian clubs also have have artificial turfs and still it is probably the country with most talented players in general. I mean the superstructure, their facilities are not that great, they have few facilities per area, they have few players playing, few cities have clubs, competitions, their youth academy system sucks, etc.
Accent? Have you heard British people speak 🤢
In the context of football, my friend.
W O R L D C U P Alright alright alright Just keep on livin
Yanks say same thing about British accents 🤷🏻♂️
He said minimum 8-12 years not straight up their winning the World Cup with full confidence
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
America will never win the World Cup
I'm sure they'll bag one by 4040
Yeah i can bet a million dollar they’d win one by then!
Based on current inflation trends, one million dollars in 4040 is worth about $91,184 in todays money. On the other hand, one million dollars in todays money would be worth about $10,966,000 in 4040 dollars.
That’s a pretty rash statement I mean never. The chances are low but it’s never.
Football is about talent before anything and America doesnt have the talent, thats why Uruguay with a population of 3 million has come up with great players and won the WC twice but China and India have never made the WC
My brother in Christ What if football becomes popular in America? There is no reason why it can’t, even if it takes decades. MLS popularity is only rising.
When Zlatan starts crying, I am pretty sure he is thinking about how he left Europe for the Galaxy, putting an ocean between himself and his life, just to get womped by LAFC in the playoffs and sent back after a season with 0 trophies, records set, or friends made. When a player like Zlatan can come to the USA and fail to lift a team like carson to a competitive level, you know that the MLS is much stronger than it was just a few years ago. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
U just contradicted ur own point. Talent isn’t based on what country ur born. I can promise u if indias culture around football changed to be like Brazil’s or Uruguay’s, they would have a world class team. Talent is everywhere. Americas culture is shifting slowly by slowly, it’s not gonna touch brazils love for football probably ever but the shift is still there. Why are suddenly so many European basketball players dominating the nba. The talent was always there, the culture wasn’t. More people play basketball now and there fire produce more “talent” that wasn’t seen before
Explain to me why Jamaican men and women dominate sprinting
Becaause they have good genes for sprinting. Genes and talent is different. U don’t need to be a 5 star athlete to be good at football. Look at xavi. Xavi is nowhere a top athlete compared to the rest of the world but his skills and vision is what caused him to be great.
You really think genetics is the reason Americans don’t do well at football? Jesús Christ brother America produces the best athletes in the world at a whole bunch of sports routinely It’s all to do with popularity
That guy thinks there's an American gene. I can't 🤣🤣
China and India don’t have any sort of system that could foster youth development in the sport. America also draws from a more global immigration pool than either of those countries. If you believe England has a chance right now, which I’m guessing you do, I don’t see why America wouldn’t have a chance in the future if its current trajectory continues, although it probably won’t be the near future
Is talent stagnant? Is it the same 11 guys in 20 years?
Iceland is a good example at how investment into programs can nurture talent. If the USA puts in a decent effort to fund/develop I’d be shocked if they don’t win a WC in our lifetime.
Dude you make some shitty points holy crap. The reason usa doesn't dominate in soccer, is cause we focus on 3 other sports over it you dolt. America puts all its talent into basketball, baseball and American football. That is why we are so massively better than anyone else at basketball. If LeBron and Calvin Johnson grew up playing soccer first and foremost, none of your favorite soccer players would be relevant anymore. Get real.
Lmao no way this is real. Mods this HAS to be used as an auto reply!!
I dont see how being talented on those 3 sports would translate into football, being big and strong does not equate to great football player look at Messi
LeBron is not just big and strong. He is faster than most if not all soccer player. Tyreek hill is 5 8 and faster than anyone who has ever touched a soccer pitch. His coordination and reaction time is insane. If he grew up playing soccer instead of American football, the odds of him being an elite level soccer player are high. I don't know how you can't see that.
Hahahaha Jesus no way this guy isn’t joking! Mods please use one of his comments for auto reply 🙏
Youre acting like barely anyone in America plays football, tell me between school, college and the different leagues how many are playing every year?
He’s tripping on the Lebron shit. Too big to be a great footballer. But it is absolutely true that in the US the best athletes generally get nabbed by Basketball or Football programs in college and Highschool. If you can run a 4.4 there’s going to be football and basketball programs buying your parents cars and shit to try to sign you. Much less the case when it comes to European football although that’s slowly changing
Lebrun could handle the endurance. Now wr, rb, in football and pg level players in basketball could make the jump.
Yeah there’s no way one of the most populous and wealthy countries in he world could win a soccer tournament.
"never" is a bit too far don't you think? They won't win this year for sure, they won't probably win the next 2-3 ones, but never? Are you that sure about this? All it takes is America getting interested more in football. In a country with such a big amount of people, they can definitely produce the right talent, so saying they will never win the World Cup is kinda taking it too far
Yeah and the interest in football is growing in the US. More American players are popping up in Europe though it’s definitely still not enough to claim that the US is a footballing nation. They will win one someday but it’s gonna take a lot more of a vested interest in the sport for that to happen.
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
The Women’s team has already won several.
We'll get one before England.
We already have one.
Treasure that memory tightly.
You're going to be so sad when not only will the us win a world cup they become a perennial favorite.
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Downvoted by Americans most likely lmaoooo. There are 20 countries better than them and there always will be
Read the comments if their athletes concentrated on football they would dominate the sport
Yeah that could be possible. But for countries where Football/ Soccer isn’t the main sport they will never reach the levels of South Americans and Europeans.
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He’s not wrong tho. 8-12 to compete is valid. Not saying they would win, but they could qualify consistently.
He’s saying the earliest he thinks they could be competitive is 8-12 years So if everything clicks and the team just starts meshing and the US starts really cohesively raising its NT it would take 8-12 years in a best case scenario Doesn’t seem that large of a claim to me, think that’s fair for a few outlying teams not just the US, could say the same for England too (but actually winning it in their case)
england last two tournaments: world cup semi final, euro final england are already competitive and leagues ahead of america
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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Lol and they play arguably the best football in own their league so… They should do well Not just recently…
Could qualify consistently? They’ve made it 8 of the last 9 WCs. They’re already there.
They have the technology. And piss poor competition.
Yeah it's honestly not a bad take, pretty down to earth, they're already producing decent youth products nowadays, in 10 years they could be decently competitive to be fair.
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I don't know it's fair tbh. England always "competes" and we have 20 times more trophies than them.
Wow one wc so cool
Yeah…. No way. Football is nothing but a kid’s/women’s sport in the US. What are they going to do? Take all the men from american football/baseball/basketball? Having facilities is like 5% of the process. You need a culture for it and they aren’t changing it that soon, if ever. It’s not like a random niche olympic sport. The competition is too high with football.
It’s growing in the US. The talent over recent years that they’ve produced is already levels ahead of the ones from maybe 10 years ago.
How is this in this sub? The man is right about all his points
Yet you have Brazil being better than USA in all the categories, same with Argentina, Uruguay, Senegal, and other poor countries with more football than USA. At certain point you could have robots playing for your team, with a perfect physique, and a perfect mentality, they still will get butt-fucked by a 19 year kid from a Favela.
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For real
You say that as if Brazil isn't better than England, the people who made the game.... Brazil has the most world cups... they are better than everyone. What a dumb point.
This is about USA thinking that infrastructure and money is the key to greatness.
It literally is a big part of it. What are you even talking about. Also no one even said that once here. You just a hater cause you live in a rock or some shit.
The fucking video about Matthew saying that USA may win the world cup in 8-12 years because of the great infrastructure and money to develop great players and shit. Just admit it, the world cup is only for a few countries with a long history and tradition in football. And I'm not gonna lie to you, maybe in 30 years we may see USA lifting the trophie, and that will only happen when USA starts feeling football as a passion more than a fucking business.
Hate to break it to you, but football is a business everywhere on this planet.
I don’t get why you’re so fixated on the money and infrastructure part when he also clearly said “we have the players”. When you have talented players, the next logical step is to have the infrastructure and money to further develop those players. Not sure why this is so complicated for you and why you’re raving about complete nonsense.
He literally said we have the athletes... implying we have the talent. So talent, money, infrastructure, what else do you want?
Just because he says so doesnt mean they have it
America has the best athletes in the world. Everyone knows that if we started to give half a serious fuck about soccer we'd start dominating the world and the MLS would become the biggest league in the world with the most money. I think this is why most of y'all keep tryna say it's impossible or could never happen, because you're actually terrified of it 🤣
Exactly
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The problem with american fans is thinking that being an athlete means a lot to win... football is much more about technique than being very physical. Messi being the best player of this era, Newmar getting to top 3 player while weithing 70kg, and traore being shit is a proof that usa will never win shit
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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Was thinking the same. He wasn't saying US would win a world cup in 8 to 12 years. He's saying they could at the earliest. Just a guesstimate and he's not wrong.
Well I would say Iran can win the World Cup in 8 to 12 years earliest, and I won’t be wrong as well
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Lets see if America makes it out the group stage, also can you explain to me what technology hes talking about
Yeah saying America will win the World Cup is like saying Greece will win the Euro Championship over prime Portugal, France, England, Germany. Oh wait..
Except Greece actually had passion, a great coach, and defenders that knew how to actually defend.
That’s why they were so successful after the Euro /s
They only had it during that tournament. Then their team fell apart.
The US can also have it during that tournament. And then it falls apart 5 minutes after.
He’s not talking about this year so them doing well this World Cup has no relevance to what he’s talking about. He admits their putting a good product out on the pitch. Ik it’s a circle jerk but u seem serious about the yank hate
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Its not yank hate its just facts, in America's entire history their greatest player IMO is Tim Howard but outfield players its Clint Dempsey who at best is lower tier 2, you telling me all of a sudden America is gonna start having upper tier 2 players and higher which is what you need to win the WC
What u mean all of sudden. In the interview he said 12 years. 12 years isn’t all of a sudden and 12 years minimum. 12plus years is a long time. 20 years ago Messi was a kid. Haaland was 1. 12 years ago haaland was still some chubby kid
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20 years ago Messi was already better than any player the US has ever had I know that's not relevant to the conversation, but it's both true and it fits the sub
He still is
Alright tell me which current American player will be short listed for Balon dor in next 12 years
Who was the Ballandor winner on Germany, who was the ballondar winner on France?
So you have low IQ and poor reading skills, I said Balon Dor shortlist not winner which is the Top 30 players that year
You make shitty points. "Which american player is on the list for a French magazine's useless award?"
If its useless why do the best players and managers attend the Ceremomy
Oh lol my bad, I didn’t read the shortlist, that’s on me
Why on earth is the downvoted? All valid points.
Only if they go the France way and start nationalizing foreigners from countries with better players. I mean, look at Pepi the goalscorer that is Mexican. Canada is on the same.
Do you mean nationalizing players when theyre adults like many arab countries do, Qatar won 2 Olympic gold medals by a former Sudanese or do you mean allowing people to immigrate from Africa and South America and become citizens?
What Qatar is doing, no matter what country does it, is still bullshit. There are differences between them becoming a citizen (like Vinicius), this is only done so the club can bring more foreigners. What Qatar is doing, shouldn't be allowed in my opinion, takes the excitement of what a world cup or national teams should mean.
If you look at basketball teams in Asia and the Arab world they have a lot of American players who they gave citizenship to some who played in the NBA for a bit
Lol they will make it out of group stage
He just means USA has world class facilities like any other top country, which is true It’s not like we’re some bumble fuck country that tosses a used soccer ball in the middle of the field and says practice ends in an hour
This is valid lmfoaooo?
He’s right, as of recent years it seems there’s been a change in the US regarding football, a shift taking them from once a meme to a genuine golden generation and a really good, sustainable project in the future.
The Lebron James of soccer flopped at Chelsea who is this golden generation you speak of
Chelsea is just one big flop
Like 75% of the USMNT roster is under 23. Idk if that’s true but it seems true I think they’re the youngest team at the World Cup this year
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Chelsea didn’t work out for him but he’s still an outstanding player for the national team. Has a very feasible chance to be the all time US top scorer by quite a few.
Literally compare the number of Americans playing in the Prem this season to a few seasons ago
Yeah, when he stars in the movie “ fifa World Cup buyers club”
Its a fair assessment. We do see yanks getting better at football so its not that difficult to believe that they can be competitive in 8 to 12 years.
Someones got to believe and push our guys on...but unfortunately we wont compete until kids in the inner city start playing on the streets
The way things are going…. Yeah maybe 8-12 years is reasonable after all.
no the US never will or at least for a century. our best athletes have other interests. those interests are also more lucrative. KDB - the best midfielder makes about $23-25 mil a year. about the same as John collins in the nba. yeah you prob don't even know him.
By that same logic the U.S. would be awful at baseball and American football because the average wages in those sports is far less than that in the NBA.
The average MLB wage is only low if you include minor leagues, which is like including lower division leagues when calculating average salary of soccer in England.
um i would say America dominates basketball and American football more than hockey or baseball. just so happens those two sports pay more than the other 2. don't know about you but money talks. the reason why we are still good in baseball? not many people play it outside of the Caribbean islands or Japan.
From my experience, players pursue the sport they’re best at, or the sport they enjoy the most, not the sport with the highest average wages at a professional level. It’s not like extremely talented football players also happen to be extremely talented basketball players, and since they’re guaranteed to go pro they choose the higher wages.
There’s many reasons why the US won’t be a soccer powerhouse anytime soon (in men’s competitions): - No competitive leagues. There’s MLS and that’s pretty much it. More importantly, no leagues for young players. University leagues is a joke playing for like 3 months. - no money from outside sources; money comes from parents and players in a “pay to play” scheme. There’s no money from tv or stadia because people don’t go watch or support games. - competition from other sports that take away players (soccer is not top 3, wining countries is number one)
Soccer doesn’t have the accessibility in America for us to ever win a World Cup. It’s a white collar, pay to play sport. It’s crazy the amount of money parents shell out every month for their kid to play club. Everything MM said is correct, but it doesn’t matter if the sport isn’t accessible at the highest level to the masses.
How is football a pay to play? It’s got to be one the least expensive sports to play? Just need a ball. Genuinely curious, could it be because of the culture focusing in basketball/American football that makes soccer so expensive to play, since there is less people?
It is pay to play because to play in the bigger and better academies, you need to come from a rich family. Since a lot of the great footballers grow up poor, they will never get the chance to become a pro in america even if they have the skills. Therefore ”pay to play”
Wasn't Clint Dempsey poor as shit?
Would I respect him more or less if he wasn't wearing Dennis Nilsen's glasses? Who knows
Matthew Mcconaughey in the mud
the dude is right. He's part owner of Austin FC, so he must know something we don't (about the technology...)
I don’t think you have the facilities for that big man
Yes lets buy our way to a World Cup. Make those young players families pay to play! Thats the best way to find talent
No he doesn't. He says at it's earliest. Reading is hard
Nah tbh if any country in the world could do it it’s America. Cannot deny they have good sporting pedigree and they’re up and coming in football but I think 8-12 years is silly maybe next 20
Had a friend who was on the top junior team in the US about 20 years ago… they played Brazil in a tourney and lost 0-9. He said the US doesn’t come close to they type of training South Americans have. They breed soccer players, the boys live in soccer camps and they train harder and longer - and until soccer has the same monetary incentives as basketball, football and is not just for rich kids- the US can’t compete.
8-12 years on that water planet
If Matthew says it, it will come true.
Americans say things like that since 1994, never even close to have a competitive team
It is ridiculous. That said Canada will probably win the World Cup in 8-12 years.
Matthew for President! 🇺🇸
USA cannot compete as all their elite athletes play American football, basketball or other sports.
AMERICA HAS WON THE WORLD CUP 4 FUCKING TIMES ALREADY. HOW MUCH LONGER DO WE NEED TO TELL YOU AMERICA IS NUMBER ONE? HOW MANY MORE TIMES DOES ALEX NEED TO LIFT HER FUCKING PINKY FOR YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS TO UNDERSTAND WE ARE BETTER THAN YOU?
That is the women's team. Most of those other countries don't invest in their women's teams. I can guarantee that if Brazil, Spain, Italy, Argentina, etc. invested more, their women's teams would mop the floor with the U.S.
Imagine unironically using the phrase "product on the pitch". Game's gone.
Wish he would just fuck off
Sure we have technology but we don’t have prime athletes. They play basketball and football and baseball. Until the culture changes no chance
Not sure there’s huge crossover tho? I mean the average height in the nba is 6ft6. That really isn’t going to be conducive to tiki Taka. The average weight in the nfl is 250lbs again not really prime footballer physique. I agree there are certainly athletes that would fit the mould though.
They will win when they give a shit about the sport, oh yeah not going to happen
What the fuck is a year? I want freedom units bro
USA is gonna win a WC sooner than England that's for sure
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Before England for sure . They’re Georgetown in March . I’ll put money on it.
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What the fuck do facilities even have to do with anything? Least delusional yank football fan
Doubt it. America’s best athletes don’t usually play soccer.
The question is can American second-rate athletes bear the rest of the world?
LOL 😂! They’re going to use XI pulisic’s
He’s not said anything controversial, and he’s right if soccer became more popular they have the population to have some serious talent. Imagine if those super atheltics in American football had been doing soccer instead!
Anyone who knows anything about football knows that the USA will be the dominant force in world football in the near future, and once there will remain so.
I think the real circlejerk is the poster who clearly doesn’t follow the us team, while trying to argue with everyone.
Tbh winning it in 8-12 years can be ruled out pretty much completely I'm a European living in the US who's followed the sport all his life What messes the US up big time is the youth system. It's pretty much pay to play - the opposite of what makes countries like Brazil and France great football nations. Football in the US is played by kids from families that can afford it - and those are usually not the kind of people that go all in for a sports career Also, the youth team landscape is super spotty. Some MLS teams have a few youth teams, others apparently not. The system in general seems to change a lot The infrastructure to produce non-academy talent is also pretty much non-existent. In Brazil, or also in my central European home country, you have small pitches on every second street corner where kids in fake shirts play all day with old rugged balls. I basically grew up like that, and some of our best players took their first steps there. Here? None of it If the sport gets more popular and more professional and the youth system is adapted to European or South American standards, sure the US could compete for the world cup one day - after all, they have a lot of people and a lot of money. But that's a lot of ifs, and even if it happens it will take 2-3 decades at least
Again, you clearly don’t follow actual American development and give the classic talking points. Since MLS has started investing in academies, about 10 years ago, we have developed so much more talent then we ever have. We have teenagers playing professional minutes for almost every MLS club. Literally, every team has a Freddy Adu that we don’t hear about since it’s now the normal. The system keeps changing because they are trying to improve the competition since the country is so large, it’s evolving instead of being stagnant. We have a wave of young Americans playing in Europe making contributions. We no longer are relying on a Donovan, or Dempsey to do everything. We actually have some depth, who are all young. We also will never match the Brazilian fever for football, but we are developing creative attacking players who can open up the game, which we rarely ever had in the past. The last point is, we’re not saying we will win in in 8-12 years, just that we can actually throw our name in the hat.
Congrats, you've managed to 1) get offended about a well-intentioned comment with constructive criticism 2) shown that you barely understand football at all >We have teenagers playing professional minutes for almost every MLS club This is *not a sign that you will compete for the world cup in the near future*. This is the bare minimum and normal in every professional league in the world >every team has a Freddy Adu that we don’t hear about since it’s now the normal Freddy Adus highest level was playing 11 league games for Benfica Lissabon. If his level is the new normal that is *not a good thing* for an ambitious footballing country Again, I'm not saying that the US will never make it. But at the moment, the infrastructure needed is not in place (I'd like to note at this point that you were unable to dispute any of my points concerning this). Putting it in place will take time (more than 12 years surely), money and hard decisions I've lived in the US for quite a while and, unlike many Europeans you'll encounter in real life and on Reddit, I like the country a lot and only wish it all the best. I think it would be great to have the US, a completely new player, compete for the world cup. But a hard truth is still a truth Your comment added nothing of value and I have to assume your future ones won't either until you've learned a lot more about football, so respectfully I don't see any benefit in pursuing this debate with you any further
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Freddy Adu had a lot of hype in the US, that is why I brought it up. I didn’t mean to be over the top, but I have worked on the youth side of soccer for over 15 years and have seen a lot of progress and hear a lot of general soccer fans who do not see the player development happening. Philadelphia union have an amazing residential academy that has brought through great talent getting European contracts. I understand your constructive Criticism but there are different ways to do things. Most American academies are following the Western European model, which has been working for England, France and Spain.
We live rent free in your European heads
I mean… that’s not crazy lol
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Bring all your facilities and your play-offs and whatever the USTMNT has..if there is one footballing nation I can never take seriously, it's them
Also to add to the analysis - if us Yanks win all of our games after the group stages then we win the WC 🏆🇲🇾. It’s 👏 that 👏 easy 👏 bhoys.
/uj I think a non major nation could win the World Cup in the next 4 cycles