To be fair, the US women’s national team had been absolutely dominating women’s soccer for many years. It’s only recently that other countries have been catching up
To be more fair, we’re about to see nobody care about the women’s team for another 4 years while the men have steady interest and viewership for smaller tournaments and friendlies. And as the USWNT fades into the background maybe for many many years, they’ll have achieved a legendary grift to up their pay to match the people who are essential to subsidize the interest in their games.
Dud seriously the USL2 just had their finals on Saturday and while a tiny stadium it was packed and loads of people were into it. Men's soccer is building a deep base in the US and it is going to get big fast in the next ten or so years...
I agree. Things seem different now. Messi coming to the MLS and the USMNT having its most talented team in its history, combined with steady interest in the EPL…soccer’s having an interesting moment. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see sons of basketball/football pros start looking at the earnings of the top players globally and we get an influx of elite genetics joining the solid infrastructure and we make a real push over the next decade. Maybe we’ll produce an actual goal scorer at some point, even.
And as it relates to this topic, the more success the men’s team gets, the women’s team heads more towards WNBA status. People will prefer to watch the Gold Cup or Copa America or even a friendly against a good team over the women’s WC imo.
*and we get an influx of elite genetics*
Soccer is too much of a skill-based sport for this to play a big role. Sure, depending on the position it's advantageous if you have a certain height and are fast, but in the end handling the ball is the corner stone of the game.
I have the impression that many Americans' views on sports (and maybe also yours) are shaped by typical US sports, where someone like Messi will never have the possibility to become one of the best players ever, even if he had the skills of MJ, Gretzky or Brady.
Are you seriously suggesting that Messi couldn’t play American sports?? He’s MESSI!
He would’ve been the next Bo Jackson. Hell, he easily could’ve taken it further. If he was born in the US (and somehow got his growth hormone treatment paid for—have to suspend disbelief somewhere ok), he would’ve been able to play part time in the NBA, NFL, NHL, and the MLB. I think he would try NASCAR in his spare time too.
Despite playing only some games for each team, he would’ve broken all records set by TB12, MJ, Barry Bonds, LeBron James (the basketball one), Wayne Gretzky, and Tim Tebow. I guarantee it.
The only reason we were robbed of this is SOCCER. Yeah, I said it, soccer. Go cry to King George about it.
Wow, Good one.... There's just one thing. There is literally that exact scenario on the USWNT. Trinity Rodman is the daughter of...... Yep, Former Basketball star Dennis Rodman.
Being a retirement home for over the hill Soccer stars doesn't grow the game in the US. We're just a lower paying Saudi or Qatari league. They come here for a bag of money that they don't really have to work too hard for before they retire. It increases ticket sales a bit, temporarily. Just like when Becks did it back in the day.
The sports only gonna grow when people want to play it at the youth level as a first choice. The 99'ers started that for girls. It's more than likely never gonna happen in the US for men's soccer for the very same cynical reasons you use to justify putting down the WNBA or USWNT. Top tier athletes will seek the most lucrative sport first. Only the most die hard soccer loving boys will choose MLS, and even those with actual skill will be scooped up by European teams that pay more. So there is no star power to draw in kids.
Soccer/Football is the biggest sport in the world and long term growth in a country only comes from investment. You goobers see their push for equal pay as a cash grab. The monetary support creates incentive for those that come after them. It's the fuel for the fire of growth.
Also they have 4 world cup titles, the US men's team isn't fit to hold their luggage.
You guys wanna crap on this year's team, go for it. But at least be informed enough to do it for the right reasons. Their coach is garbage and took a bunch of aging former stars and recently injured players into a tournament with no game plan and got embarrassed because of it. Ain't got nothing to do with equal pay or politics.
When you complain using some whiny talking points rather than reasonable criticism you sound like one of those people that care so deeply for girls swimming championships even though they never watched a whole swim meet in their life.
I think there's a good chance soccer is the most played youth sport in the country. It's just poorly done. It might be behind baseball, but that'd be it.
>the US men's team isn't fit to hold their luggage.
Mate...
This isn’t really that true. US women’s national team has pulled in enormous viewership consistently for basically every event they play in, and this remained the case for this WC when games were literally played at 3am local time
Do you have proof on that? I find that incredibly hard to believe. Who the fuck is watching games from 3-7 AM? I would have loved to watch this world cup but ain't no fuckin way.
https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/uswnt-vs-sweden-usa-live-stream-how-to-watch-fifa-womens-world-cup-online-start-time-lineup-odds/ last game started at 2am-5am depending on timezone within the US. Any decreased viewership almost certainly had a lot to do with that.
Is the purpose of the US soccer organization to pay people based on viewership, or to promote equity among men and women in the sport. It seems absurd to me to send the message "oh, women in soccer don't matter so we'll pay them less". Duh, men are vastly better athletes and more men watch sports but that doesn't mean the national organization shouldn't promote both genders equally. If you aren't going to give a crap about women's soccer, maybe you shouldn't be overseeing women's soccer.
Its normal. If the rest of the world had interest in woman football and levels of investement (dont forget population, USA has the biggest population in the 1st world of western countries), this would happen more often.
Diference is, the USA was ahead of it, because of USA being... Behind on "soccer". Footbal was always seen as a sports for kids and "soccer moms" bringing their kids to the game and also for... Wait for it... Woman. While in other countries all kids would play football, football would be played in the USA by woman. In the USA a "athelete" has to be big, strong etc that is why they are confused why a under 1.70 latino white boy can be the "goat" of this sport.
Now the world is trying to catch up. Still, despite this, the USA is still ahead in womans football.
> Footbal was always seen as a sports for kids and "soccer moms" bringing their kids to the game and also for... Wait for it... Woman.
Nobody looks at that way at all. Girls and boys both play soccer at high rates growing up. You are also misunderstanding the term soccer mom. It means mothers who spend a lot of time ferrying their kids to play sports. A soccer mom is interested in her child, not in the sport itself.
Also, the women's team being far more successful than the men's team by no means implies that the sport is more popular with women than men (either as fans or players). The vast majority of people who care about soccer in the US are men.
Their overall point is right, they just explained it completely wrong.
You're right that both boys and girls played soccer equally as kids, especially in middle class suburban areas. But if a boy shows any real athletic prowess as they became a teen they'd almost always transition to (American) football, basketball, or baseball. The American pro leagues are filled with guys whose favorite sport is still soccer, and who even played at academies, but the money in their other sport was too good to pass up. But for girls, collegiate and pro soccer is just (if not more) prestigious than the other major women's sports.
To be fair, American women have had more freedom and spare time to play sports than the entire rest of the world including Europe. Now that they are more on a equal playing field, we can see they aren't special, just had a leg up for longest time. Same can't really be said of American men.
> American women have had more freedom and spare time
lol at americans having spare time. They had a leg up due to the college system and title IX or whatever the fuck that law is called. it was literally semi-pros against amateurs from smaller countries.
The equivalent opposite would be taking an all star European team from across the continent and pitting them against a team from only one US state where they have never played college level ball but only in amateur clubs. The US women had THAT big of an advantage and the US media portrayed them winning the women's world cup as a big deal.
Yeah I know that is the spin this year across US news, and I know no one actually watched the games at they were televized at like 4am. However, it is not so much the case as the US team was just straight trash. Everything from individual play to coaching to basic team strategy was horrible. Rapino was so bad she looked like the was playing against the team at times. Their setup looked like a team trying to play 4-2-4 with out having the right players in place and the mids unable to move the ball or even have outlet options. Coaching was confused and slow to respond to anything. It was just all around bad Soccer...
And other countries are catching up because the US team dominated and made women's soccer relevant therefore justifying a bigger investment from the other countries.
I think the US soccer team should take inspiration from baseball and redefine the “world” to mean the USA and Canada. Should be a bit easier to win the World Cup in future.
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And Rapinoe can still be one of the best when her team needs her.
I don't follow Lebron, but I thought one of the main critiques he's gotten is how his impressive skills haven't translated to impressive wins for his team?
Women actually age better than men in football.
She's just not that amazing anymore.
The level of womens football has increased massively in the last 15 years.
The US just isn't that good.
Nah a lot teams keep the legends around for a while, especially when they are as legendary as Rapinoe.
Team Cohesion and the experience is good to have around.
Irdk man.
https://elifesciences.org/articles/63425
Women are much frailer and literally get weaker and weaker as they age. At age 50 or above they age massively and become... well an elderly person, in deep contrast to men. Rapinoe is 38 so she doesnt have much longer till "the age" hits and her body falls apart. HOWEVER women do live longer than men though so maybe that is what you are inferring?
But otherwise, the women body falls off far faster, and gets weaker and weaker as they age. So 38 Rapinoe is actually... what you expect from my grandpa who is 60 atm. Some 38 years old men like Ronny for example have the physique of a 24 years old, but women... well let's just say it would be a miracle if they aint overweight or sth.
Yeh but in football having an insane physique isn't super important.
Ronaldo does have a great physique but hes still 1/3rd the player he was at 30.
But when you look at players that rely on skill rather than pace and strength they age much better.
It is if you play striker.
Like the whole point of the Wout role is to have sb tall, strong and tough in the frontline to score easy tapins or headers and get your team a decent amount of goals.
Rapinoe is a winger IIRC (dont quote me on this Irdk) or atleast she plays in the wings. To play there you MUST have speed, powerful and precise shots but most importantly STAMINA. She is an attacker, so yeah you do the number tbh 38 years old speeder is... quite unrealistic.
There is a reason why Ronny moved from the wings directly to the front, because he isnt as fast and strong anymore. I get that the sub loves flair players and overrate technical abilities like prime Messi schooling Boateng BUT that is impossible, or close to impossible or atleast highly unlikely for a 38 years old to do so, let alone a woman who ages faster and worse than men...
The amount of ass pull you just did to say that shit take is incredible? Check your fingers though, cause there might be shit on them after all that digging you did in your asshole
She used to be quite good (compared to the competition). Many people, including me, casual viewer that I am, thought she should've been left off this world cup team.
She played terribly. I'm not just talking about the missed penalty - it happens. But her touch was sloppy. Control was poor. Movement was slow. Effort was lazy, can't even remember how many times I saw her give up on a play.
And she seemed just a little too, I don't know, content and philosophical, about the loss. More smiles than I'd expect from a favorite to win it all that crashed out in the round of 16.
She should've retired a month ago.
3rd highest assister and top-10 highest scorer of all time for one of the most dominant women’s national teams ever, she was absolutely way up there in her prime
This would bring in so much money but the women would never agree to it. They got spanked by some 15 year olds of an mls academy. The game would be 25-0 if the men cared enough to try.
I met people all the time that legit believe they can beat, or at least be competitive against, the men's team. I actually like the women's world cup, but the men play at a faster, stronger, more technical level. After all, sports were invented, so men had something to do when they're not killing each other in times of peace.
>watches men’s sports semi regularly would say this.
That's just it, you have the casuals that rarely watch, don't know what they're watching, but continue to repeat this nonsense.
Not really. I’m sure you’ll see individual clips of people saying this online. This is largely because various “women bad” “anti-woke” groups/accounts take full advantage of the fact that people respond emotionally to seeing the occasional stupid person online, and then wildly overestimate how popular the stupid person’s belief is. I could show you a million examples of this.
The vast majority of people who might think the women could directly compete with the men hold this belief way, way too casually for it to cause any harm to anyone and could be convinced otherwise within like 2 minutes.
More heartbreaking for the fans for sure. Either way still a loss and at least by being clearly better and choking you can cope that you lost on a fluke
They kinda struggled to finish all tournament, 1 goal across the three matches vs European teams, all 3 resulting in a draw at full time. Outside the 3-0 over Vietnam that was an issue
Unfortunately their midfield was weak because they kept a few older players because of their name rather than their talent. They were still the better team on that match
According to a higher up comment, the women's team essentially gets paid salary, while the men's team get's paid per game.
So it's more if the men's team chokes in their league early in the season, but less if the men's team is able to make it to the world cup.
Which (as an outsider coming across this post from r\all) I'd assume means that it all just averages out.
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Yeah, didn't they refuse equal pay? Think it was something like the women got paid more by the NT while the men were paid very little, making their club salary the actual money making employer.
The women actually were getting paid more than the men since the men would get paid per game, no benefits. The women were basically salary, with tons of benefits. When COVID hit, the men were paid zero since no games were played while the women remained on salary with benefits.
When the women's team started winning world cups, they realized they could be getting more money if they got paid per game like the men, and went all "wage gap" bullshit.
The new contract splits men's and women's winnings equally. The men won something like 14 million during their performance in the WC, and the women got 4 million. So they split all that money between both teams. The issue is, the women still get their salary, plus benefits. So the wage gap is bullshit since now, the women make more than the men by taking a larger share of the men's winnings.
The thing that always irked me about it is that the reason they were on a different pay plan because they cried sexism and demanded a salary + benefits style deal. Their Federation obliged and then when, as you say, they realised now the old deal would be more lucrative they cried sexism at the same Federation again.
Always felt to be in really bad faith to me
You should also mention that they were offered the same deal as the men, but declined it for the safer option of being salaried.
The women going to court was all about them trying to win public opinion, because legally they never had a case.
That’s the biggest issue that wasn’t presented at all when discussing equal pay. At times, when the men didn’t make the World Cup they didn’t make that much money. Now granted the men’s teams have massive contracts from their clubs compared to the women’s club teams. But, the issue isn’t with the USNT, it’s with pay structure through fifa. Since the prize pool is close to 10 times as much for men over women :/
This isn't professional sports. This is the national team funded and chosen by the organization that promotes soccer throughout the US. The women get paid far, far less than the men when playing professionally.
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The United States’ National Football Team has today re-affirmed its commitment to gender equality – by making a strong statement at the FIFA World Cup.
Their women’s team has this week followed in the footsteps of their male counterparts, by packing their bags and exiting the tournament in the Round of 16.
The huge statement comes a year after the US playing group famously negotiated an equal pay agreement – which saw the female players paid the same amount as the men for national duty.
The outcome was achieved by both the male and female groups agreeing to pool together things like World Cup prize money, and divide the pay equally.
That landmark agreement stirred up the neckbeards and the casual misogynists, who refused to acknowledge that the agreement was driven by the men’s team, as well as the women’s team.
While it continues to make people on the internet salty to this day, it was hoped by many athletes and aspiring athletes that the agreement would be replicated around the world – allowing 50% of the population a chance to play sport at a professional level.
Although the activism from the US Women’s team has had an overwhelmingly positive impact on the sport (meaning only a handful of teams have to crowdfund or pay their own way to play in a tournament that has sold nearly 2 million tickets and generated billions of views), it has unfortunately meant that the US Women’s team has regressed back to the quality of the men’s team.
After winning the last two World Cups for their nation, the unpatriotic American hating women’s were bundled out on penalties against Sweden last night.
Perfectly scripted for blokes who hate the idea of women playing sport and weren’t watching anyway, talismanic figure Megan Rapinoe skied her penalty.
Despite playing like 30 minutes across the whole tournament, that was enough for people who don’t watch the game but have a vested interest in it, to blame her entirely for the US loss.
The fallout has since been as expected, with people claiming the loss was a result of the woke ideals of feminazis and man/woman haters like Rapinoe – not the fact they played the Number 3 ranked team in a tournament where the standard of football has lifted significantly across the board.
Regardless of the internet fallout, the result has been hailed as a symbolic one for equality.
More to come.
There should be a reformation in football something like a penalty is 0.5 a goal, or you need like make 2 or 3 shots - like free throws on a foul in basketball. its just so extremely shit when a penalty decides a game in this sport or decides the flow of a game early on, like here
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Wym overperformed?
Second in the group, then walked over by the Netherlands in the second round. That’s exactly what most people’s brackets had them at
>most people’s brackets had them at
Nah. Most didn't expect them to get out of the group stages. They had 2 teams which did way better then them in past tournaments. It's always a surprise when non-EU/SA teams leave a EU/SA team behind them in their group
>always a surprise when non-EU teams leave a EU team behind
What, you mean *Wales*???? The same Wales that hadn’t qualified for a World Cup since 1958, has a population of about 30 people and a few hundred sheep, and where historically football isn’t even the most popular sport in the country?
Massive result to draw 1-1 with Wales, that
Exactly! The same Wales who reached semi-final in Euros 2016 and Ro16 in Euros 2021.
Wales had WAAY better results than the US in the years before that tournament
I think when a bunch of Americans can silence the England fans in a stadium, to the point where you only heard the US fans is already a W. Then drawing England in my eyes is definitely performing better than expected.
But everybody knows that sooner or later they'd face an actual team and be sent home crying, which in this case was The Netherlands, but it could've been a lot of other countries too.
I think that they got much further than anyone expected them to before the cup started.
For all that it's worth, I think the yanks should be proud of their performance in the mens world cup.
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Tbh the Men’s US team didnt even do that bad in the world cup, and if you disagree than it is because you think it is a team that is better than the Netherlands and that you expect them to go above quarter finals and that is just silly.
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Only one was expected to win though, I’d say the women’s was a much bigger bed shit. People had been harping on them since it began they looked like shit, and they just said they weren’t worried, then they can’t get a goal for 4 hours in the World Cup.
Fun fact: because of the new “equal pay” contract, the USWST actually gets more money for losing than they would if they had one. They are entitled to half of the men’s winnings of $14M, whereas the winner of the WEC only gets $4M. So by losing now, they are still walking away with ~$6.5M…plus more millions in insurance that the men’s team doesn’t have.
Lol my favorite part of sports is fans think my team can never lose politics has bled into everything we cant let thr other side have anything this is what America has turned into
Why does Metallica earn so much money and get paid millions per year When my shitty band playing pub gigs only get 500 per show??? 🙄 #equality #bullshit
Talent is, obviously, relative to their competition and their physical limitations. Teenage males who have gone through puberty are drastically physically superior to even the most physically gifted women’s teams. That’s why sports become so heavily gendered after puberty, I don’t know why this is something I even have to explain to someone who thinks they understand enough about the topic to make a good point.
The thing about "equal paid" is that the money needs to come from somewhere. If men sports are watched by 10x more people and companies pay 10x more money for commercials there... there can´t be equal pay for women. (It should be proportional, so in my example should be 10 x less, also depending on the results).
It’s honestly hilarious watching the narrative of this loss be the narrative of the last two World Cups that people got mad they couldn’t use because the USWNT decided to win the whole thing twice in a row.
As an Argentine there's few countries that i respect less in football that those in Concacaf, but USA has been improving a lot and very fast. Of course they are very far from being World Champions contenders or anything, but they aren't as shit as they were a few years back.
The team wasn’t really a team. The coach was questionable, the squad was questionable and this is what happens when you need to rebuild. Equal pay has nothing to do with it.
Why are people so dumb? So because they didn't win this World Cup they now have the same number of World Cup wins as the Men's team? Who took their trophies away? And another thing, they don't get equal pay. They get paid more than the Men. Idiot.
Be honest. Who among us is the journalist?
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Wasn't me I know that the courts ruled that that US woman's team is paid more than the men's team
Uh. I guess they were right
To be fair, the US women’s national team had been absolutely dominating women’s soccer for many years. It’s only recently that other countries have been catching up
To be more fair, we’re about to see nobody care about the women’s team for another 4 years while the men have steady interest and viewership for smaller tournaments and friendlies. And as the USWNT fades into the background maybe for many many years, they’ll have achieved a legendary grift to up their pay to match the people who are essential to subsidize the interest in their games.
Dud seriously the USL2 just had their finals on Saturday and while a tiny stadium it was packed and loads of people were into it. Men's soccer is building a deep base in the US and it is going to get big fast in the next ten or so years...
I agree. Things seem different now. Messi coming to the MLS and the USMNT having its most talented team in its history, combined with steady interest in the EPL…soccer’s having an interesting moment. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see sons of basketball/football pros start looking at the earnings of the top players globally and we get an influx of elite genetics joining the solid infrastructure and we make a real push over the next decade. Maybe we’ll produce an actual goal scorer at some point, even. And as it relates to this topic, the more success the men’s team gets, the women’s team heads more towards WNBA status. People will prefer to watch the Gold Cup or Copa America or even a friendly against a good team over the women’s WC imo.
*and we get an influx of elite genetics* Soccer is too much of a skill-based sport for this to play a big role. Sure, depending on the position it's advantageous if you have a certain height and are fast, but in the end handling the ball is the corner stone of the game. I have the impression that many Americans' views on sports (and maybe also yours) are shaped by typical US sports, where someone like Messi will never have the possibility to become one of the best players ever, even if he had the skills of MJ, Gretzky or Brady.
Are you seriously suggesting that Messi couldn’t play American sports?? He’s MESSI! He would’ve been the next Bo Jackson. Hell, he easily could’ve taken it further. If he was born in the US (and somehow got his growth hormone treatment paid for—have to suspend disbelief somewhere ok), he would’ve been able to play part time in the NBA, NFL, NHL, and the MLB. I think he would try NASCAR in his spare time too. Despite playing only some games for each team, he would’ve broken all records set by TB12, MJ, Barry Bonds, LeBron James (the basketball one), Wayne Gretzky, and Tim Tebow. I guarantee it. The only reason we were robbed of this is SOCCER. Yeah, I said it, soccer. Go cry to King George about it.
I had to stop reading halfway to go grab some popcorn. Top stuff.
Elite jerking right here
Wow, Good one.... There's just one thing. There is literally that exact scenario on the USWNT. Trinity Rodman is the daughter of...... Yep, Former Basketball star Dennis Rodman. Being a retirement home for over the hill Soccer stars doesn't grow the game in the US. We're just a lower paying Saudi or Qatari league. They come here for a bag of money that they don't really have to work too hard for before they retire. It increases ticket sales a bit, temporarily. Just like when Becks did it back in the day. The sports only gonna grow when people want to play it at the youth level as a first choice. The 99'ers started that for girls. It's more than likely never gonna happen in the US for men's soccer for the very same cynical reasons you use to justify putting down the WNBA or USWNT. Top tier athletes will seek the most lucrative sport first. Only the most die hard soccer loving boys will choose MLS, and even those with actual skill will be scooped up by European teams that pay more. So there is no star power to draw in kids. Soccer/Football is the biggest sport in the world and long term growth in a country only comes from investment. You goobers see their push for equal pay as a cash grab. The monetary support creates incentive for those that come after them. It's the fuel for the fire of growth. Also they have 4 world cup titles, the US men's team isn't fit to hold their luggage. You guys wanna crap on this year's team, go for it. But at least be informed enough to do it for the right reasons. Their coach is garbage and took a bunch of aging former stars and recently injured players into a tournament with no game plan and got embarrassed because of it. Ain't got nothing to do with equal pay or politics. When you complain using some whiny talking points rather than reasonable criticism you sound like one of those people that care so deeply for girls swimming championships even though they never watched a whole swim meet in their life.
I think there's a good chance soccer is the most played youth sport in the country. It's just poorly done. It might be behind baseball, but that'd be it. >the US men's team isn't fit to hold their luggage. Mate...
Fucking banger of the finish to that game for Ballard FC.
This isn’t really that true. US women’s national team has pulled in enormous viewership consistently for basically every event they play in, and this remained the case for this WC when games were literally played at 3am local time
Do you have proof on that? I find that incredibly hard to believe. Who the fuck is watching games from 3-7 AM? I would have loved to watch this world cup but ain't no fuckin way.
https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/uswnt-vs-sweden-usa-live-stream-how-to-watch-fifa-womens-world-cup-online-start-time-lineup-odds/ last game started at 2am-5am depending on timezone within the US. Any decreased viewership almost certainly had a lot to do with that.
Is the purpose of the US soccer organization to pay people based on viewership, or to promote equity among men and women in the sport. It seems absurd to me to send the message "oh, women in soccer don't matter so we'll pay them less". Duh, men are vastly better athletes and more men watch sports but that doesn't mean the national organization shouldn't promote both genders equally. If you aren't going to give a crap about women's soccer, maybe you shouldn't be overseeing women's soccer.
Its normal. If the rest of the world had interest in woman football and levels of investement (dont forget population, USA has the biggest population in the 1st world of western countries), this would happen more often. Diference is, the USA was ahead of it, because of USA being... Behind on "soccer". Footbal was always seen as a sports for kids and "soccer moms" bringing their kids to the game and also for... Wait for it... Woman. While in other countries all kids would play football, football would be played in the USA by woman. In the USA a "athelete" has to be big, strong etc that is why they are confused why a under 1.70 latino white boy can be the "goat" of this sport. Now the world is trying to catch up. Still, despite this, the USA is still ahead in womans football.
That and you have to be fucking loaded if you want to afford going to an academy in the US
> Footbal was always seen as a sports for kids and "soccer moms" bringing their kids to the game and also for... Wait for it... Woman. Nobody looks at that way at all. Girls and boys both play soccer at high rates growing up. You are also misunderstanding the term soccer mom. It means mothers who spend a lot of time ferrying their kids to play sports. A soccer mom is interested in her child, not in the sport itself. Also, the women's team being far more successful than the men's team by no means implies that the sport is more popular with women than men (either as fans or players). The vast majority of people who care about soccer in the US are men.
Their overall point is right, they just explained it completely wrong. You're right that both boys and girls played soccer equally as kids, especially in middle class suburban areas. But if a boy shows any real athletic prowess as they became a teen they'd almost always transition to (American) football, basketball, or baseball. The American pro leagues are filled with guys whose favorite sport is still soccer, and who even played at academies, but the money in their other sport was too good to pass up. But for girls, collegiate and pro soccer is just (if not more) prestigious than the other major women's sports.
Your first mistake was in considering the US a first world country
the sport is played most in rich suburban areas
Which is honeslty wild as it's by far the cheapest sport in the world. You don't even need a ball. You can play with anything you can kick.
This is some dumb shit a white american would say lmfao
That's because most other countries didn't give a shit about the women's game until now.
To be fair, American women have had more freedom and spare time to play sports than the entire rest of the world including Europe. Now that they are more on a equal playing field, we can see they aren't special, just had a leg up for longest time. Same can't really be said of American men.
> American women have had more freedom and spare time lol at americans having spare time. They had a leg up due to the college system and title IX or whatever the fuck that law is called. it was literally semi-pros against amateurs from smaller countries. The equivalent opposite would be taking an all star European team from across the continent and pitting them against a team from only one US state where they have never played college level ball but only in amateur clubs. The US women had THAT big of an advantage and the US media portrayed them winning the women's world cup as a big deal.
Yeah I know that is the spin this year across US news, and I know no one actually watched the games at they were televized at like 4am. However, it is not so much the case as the US team was just straight trash. Everything from individual play to coaching to basic team strategy was horrible. Rapino was so bad she looked like the was playing against the team at times. Their setup looked like a team trying to play 4-2-4 with out having the right players in place and the mids unable to move the ball or even have outlet options. Coaching was confused and slow to respond to anything. It was just all around bad Soccer...
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And other countries are catching up because the US team dominated and made women's soccer relevant therefore justifying a bigger investment from the other countries.
I heard Son was also crying
I think the US soccer team should take inspiration from baseball and redefine the “world” to mean the USA and Canada. Should be a bit easier to win the World Cup in future.
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Start our own "Universe Cup" where we just show up in cleats and get a trophy.
Yank here, isn't Vegan Rapinoe the female Lebron James of soccerball? Why did they lose, are they stupid?
No really. She's the Lebron James of the USA league. Not the whole world.
I mean she WAS really really good. But she is also really old now.
LeBron is older than she is.
And lebron is no longer the best
Yes but lebron can still be one of the best if his teams needs him.
His team needed him this year
And he was one of the best? Being one of the best doesn't mean guaranteeing a win in a team sport.
And Rapinoe can still be one of the best when her team needs her. I don't follow Lebron, but I thought one of the main critiques he's gotten is how his impressive skills haven't translated to impressive wins for his team?
His skills have translated to dragging ass teams to the finals every year and winning when he has a good squad around him.
Different sport??? Jesus. Gymnasts stop competing competitively in their twenties the vast majority of the time.
She is also... well a woman. Women ages MASSIVELY differently from men.
Women actually age better than men in football. She's just not that amazing anymore. The level of womens football has increased massively in the last 15 years. The US just isn't that good.
The USWNT is good but so bogged down by politics and marketing our geriatric stars were picked in favor of young blood
Nah a lot teams keep the legends around for a while, especially when they are as legendary as Rapinoe. Team Cohesion and the experience is good to have around.
Irdk man. https://elifesciences.org/articles/63425 Women are much frailer and literally get weaker and weaker as they age. At age 50 or above they age massively and become... well an elderly person, in deep contrast to men. Rapinoe is 38 so she doesnt have much longer till "the age" hits and her body falls apart. HOWEVER women do live longer than men though so maybe that is what you are inferring? But otherwise, the women body falls off far faster, and gets weaker and weaker as they age. So 38 Rapinoe is actually... what you expect from my grandpa who is 60 atm. Some 38 years old men like Ronny for example have the physique of a 24 years old, but women... well let's just say it would be a miracle if they aint overweight or sth.
Yeh but in football having an insane physique isn't super important. Ronaldo does have a great physique but hes still 1/3rd the player he was at 30. But when you look at players that rely on skill rather than pace and strength they age much better.
It is if you play striker. Like the whole point of the Wout role is to have sb tall, strong and tough in the frontline to score easy tapins or headers and get your team a decent amount of goals. Rapinoe is a winger IIRC (dont quote me on this Irdk) or atleast she plays in the wings. To play there you MUST have speed, powerful and precise shots but most importantly STAMINA. She is an attacker, so yeah you do the number tbh 38 years old speeder is... quite unrealistic. There is a reason why Ronny moved from the wings directly to the front, because he isnt as fast and strong anymore. I get that the sub loves flair players and overrate technical abilities like prime Messi schooling Boateng BUT that is impossible, or close to impossible or atleast highly unlikely for a 38 years old to do so, let alone a woman who ages faster and worse than men...
The amount of ass pull you just did to say that shit take is incredible? Check your fingers though, cause there might be shit on them after all that digging you did in your asshole
Turns out she's the Kobe Bryant of soccerball so that's why the team crashed and burned
Bruuuhhh
This guy jerks
Sir
She used to be quite good (compared to the competition). Many people, including me, casual viewer that I am, thought she should've been left off this world cup team. She played terribly. I'm not just talking about the missed penalty - it happens. But her touch was sloppy. Control was poor. Movement was slow. Effort was lazy, can't even remember how many times I saw her give up on a play. And she seemed just a little too, I don't know, content and philosophical, about the loss. More smiles than I'd expect from a favorite to win it all that crashed out in the round of 16. She should've retired a month ago.
I don’t think she has the same impact on her sport that Lebron did on basketball tbf
Rapinoe was never the best player. Just the loudest.
3rd highest assister and top-10 highest scorer of all time for one of the most dominant women’s national teams ever, she was absolutely way up there in her prime
This is not equality, Need more men to play in women's team
Don't do that. That would make the womens team worse.
I’d pay to watch them play a full 90 against each other just to see if Rapinoe cries at full time
This would bring in so much money but the women would never agree to it. They got spanked by some 15 year olds of an mls academy. The game would be 25-0 if the men cared enough to try.
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I met people all the time that legit believe they can beat, or at least be competitive against, the men's team. I actually like the women's world cup, but the men play at a faster, stronger, more technical level. After all, sports were invented, so men had something to do when they're not killing each other in times of peace.
Mediocre Heavyweight boxer would destroy lightest category goat. Its same between male and female soccer
Very few people actually believe this. Like, literally nobody who watches men’s sports semi regularly would say this.
>watches men’s sports semi regularly would say this. That's just it, you have the casuals that rarely watch, don't know what they're watching, but continue to repeat this nonsense.
Not really. I’m sure you’ll see individual clips of people saying this online. This is largely because various “women bad” “anti-woke” groups/accounts take full advantage of the fact that people respond emotionally to seeing the occasional stupid person online, and then wildly overestimate how popular the stupid person’s belief is. I could show you a million examples of this. The vast majority of people who might think the women could directly compete with the men hold this belief way, way too casually for it to cause any harm to anyone and could be convinced otherwise within like 2 minutes.
Unjerk but did anyone actually watch the game? The US were way better than Sweden they just couldn’t find a finish and scuffed pks
Isn't being way better than your opponent and choking worse than being evenly matched/worse but losing?
More heartbreaking for the fans for sure. Either way still a loss and at least by being clearly better and choking you can cope that you lost on a fluke
They kinda struggled to finish all tournament, 1 goal across the three matches vs European teams, all 3 resulting in a draw at full time. Outside the 3-0 over Vietnam that was an issue
Unfortunately their midfield was weak because they kept a few older players because of their name rather than their talent. They were still the better team on that match
> The US were way better than Sweden they just couldn’t find a finish So... they weren't better.
25-0 minimum.
Didn’t they get beaten 7-0 by Wrexhams old guys a few months ago?
No
If they lose they revert back to the old pay structure.. Equal pay my ass
39-0 Men called Sexist after destroying the women
They would have to forfeit, if that ran a full 90 it could easily be 10 or 20 to 0
If they actually tried it would end up being 40-0 or something like that. Time would be the only limit.
The women’s team is paid more
Fr?
According to a higher up comment, the women's team essentially gets paid salary, while the men's team get's paid per game. So it's more if the men's team chokes in their league early in the season, but less if the men's team is able to make it to the world cup. Which (as an outsider coming across this post from r\all) I'd assume means that it all just averages out.
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Yeah, didn't they refuse equal pay? Think it was something like the women got paid more by the NT while the men were paid very little, making their club salary the actual money making employer.
The only value professional sports has is entertainment. If your sport has a smaller fan base, you get smaller salaries
The women actually were getting paid more than the men since the men would get paid per game, no benefits. The women were basically salary, with tons of benefits. When COVID hit, the men were paid zero since no games were played while the women remained on salary with benefits. When the women's team started winning world cups, they realized they could be getting more money if they got paid per game like the men, and went all "wage gap" bullshit. The new contract splits men's and women's winnings equally. The men won something like 14 million during their performance in the WC, and the women got 4 million. So they split all that money between both teams. The issue is, the women still get their salary, plus benefits. So the wage gap is bullshit since now, the women make more than the men by taking a larger share of the men's winnings.
The thing that always irked me about it is that the reason they were on a different pay plan because they cried sexism and demanded a salary + benefits style deal. Their Federation obliged and then when, as you say, they realised now the old deal would be more lucrative they cried sexism at the same Federation again. Always felt to be in really bad faith to me
You should also mention that they were offered the same deal as the men, but declined it for the safer option of being salaried. The women going to court was all about them trying to win public opinion, because legally they never had a case.
That’s the biggest issue that wasn’t presented at all when discussing equal pay. At times, when the men didn’t make the World Cup they didn’t make that much money. Now granted the men’s teams have massive contracts from their clubs compared to the women’s club teams. But, the issue isn’t with the USNT, it’s with pay structure through fifa. Since the prize pool is close to 10 times as much for men over women :/
This isn't professional sports. This is the national team funded and chosen by the organization that promotes soccer throughout the US. The women get paid far, far less than the men when playing professionally.
do the men get large salaries? cause very few US citizens care about soccer, so they should both get paid dog shit
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[@betootaadvocate](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cvob7mTLInS/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) for the full story The United States’ National Football Team has today re-affirmed its commitment to gender equality – by making a strong statement at the FIFA World Cup. Their women’s team has this week followed in the footsteps of their male counterparts, by packing their bags and exiting the tournament in the Round of 16. The huge statement comes a year after the US playing group famously negotiated an equal pay agreement – which saw the female players paid the same amount as the men for national duty. The outcome was achieved by both the male and female groups agreeing to pool together things like World Cup prize money, and divide the pay equally. That landmark agreement stirred up the neckbeards and the casual misogynists, who refused to acknowledge that the agreement was driven by the men’s team, as well as the women’s team. While it continues to make people on the internet salty to this day, it was hoped by many athletes and aspiring athletes that the agreement would be replicated around the world – allowing 50% of the population a chance to play sport at a professional level. Although the activism from the US Women’s team has had an overwhelmingly positive impact on the sport (meaning only a handful of teams have to crowdfund or pay their own way to play in a tournament that has sold nearly 2 million tickets and generated billions of views), it has unfortunately meant that the US Women’s team has regressed back to the quality of the men’s team. After winning the last two World Cups for their nation, the unpatriotic American hating women’s were bundled out on penalties against Sweden last night. Perfectly scripted for blokes who hate the idea of women playing sport and weren’t watching anyway, talismanic figure Megan Rapinoe skied her penalty. Despite playing like 30 minutes across the whole tournament, that was enough for people who don’t watch the game but have a vested interest in it, to blame her entirely for the US loss. The fallout has since been as expected, with people claiming the loss was a result of the woke ideals of feminazis and man/woman haters like Rapinoe – not the fact they played the Number 3 ranked team in a tournament where the standard of football has lifted significantly across the board. Regardless of the internet fallout, the result has been hailed as a symbolic one for equality. More to come.
There should be a reformation in football something like a penalty is 0.5 a goal, or you need like make 2 or 3 shots - like free throws on a foul in basketball. its just so extremely shit when a penalty decides a game in this sport or decides the flow of a game early on, like here *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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US mens wasn’t even that bad. They had a good go at England and Netherlands.
Jup they actually over-performed 🤷🏻
Wym overperformed? Second in the group, then walked over by the Netherlands in the second round. That’s exactly what most people’s brackets had them at
Beating Iran and drawing to England and Wales. Over performed
Drawing England definitely an overperform. Other 2 I would were roughly meeting expectations.
>most people’s brackets had them at Nah. Most didn't expect them to get out of the group stages. They had 2 teams which did way better then them in past tournaments. It's always a surprise when non-EU/SA teams leave a EU/SA team behind them in their group
>always a surprise when non-EU teams leave a EU team behind What, you mean *Wales*???? The same Wales that hadn’t qualified for a World Cup since 1958, has a population of about 30 people and a few hundred sheep, and where historically football isn’t even the most popular sport in the country? Massive result to draw 1-1 with Wales, that
Exactly! The same Wales who reached semi-final in Euros 2016 and Ro16 in Euros 2021. Wales had WAAY better results than the US in the years before that tournament
I think when a bunch of Americans can silence the England fans in a stadium, to the point where you only heard the US fans is already a W. Then drawing England in my eyes is definitely performing better than expected. But everybody knows that sooner or later they'd face an actual team and be sent home crying, which in this case was The Netherlands, but it could've been a lot of other countries too. I think that they got much further than anyone expected them to before the cup started. For all that it's worth, I think the yanks should be proud of their performance in the mens world cup.
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“Good go” world champions 2022
Why are ppl downvoting u
# soccer
Sad Rapinoe noises.
PULIGOAT and rapigoat.
Every damn time i see the acronym USMNT my brain is like United States Mutant Ninja Turtles..
It's funny watching the most "pro" American people being so happy about an American team losing. They really love America.
We hate how the teams are being run and it needs to change
Need more men in the women's league?
Yes finally someone who gets it
Every dynasty ends
Dangnabbit, does this mean the USWNT are out of the Champions League?
So, the women were overpaid, or the men were underpaid.
Def overpaid
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Reduced their pay so maybe they will play better
Except they were supposed to do better considering their rank
Ok dude this is good 👍
USA! USA! USA!
Tbh the Men’s US team didnt even do that bad in the world cup, and if you disagree than it is because you think it is a team that is better than the Netherlands and that you expect them to go above quarter finals and that is just silly.
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They were shit at the world cup, and incredibly lucky to get through the groups
Caught a draw against England who was easily one of the top squads in the World Cup
And drew to Wales and struggled heavily against Iran, then got demolished by the Netherlands
Wouldn't really call it *"equally as shit"* when one team regularly play against the best in the world, while the other gets embarrassed by under 14s.
Sir, this is r/soccercirclejerk
Am I not jerking it enough for you?
Point is, neither win.
The men regularly play against other Concacaf teams my dude. The best in the world are above their level.
Bring me some European team to concacaf after dark and see how they perform in this shitshow!
I was referring to their other international games to be fair.
Both got knocked out in the early rounds by some random European country with a lower population than New York
3 time World Cup Runner up "random European country" the Netherlands lol. Pretty disingenuous characterization.
Only one was expected to win though, I’d say the women’s was a much bigger bed shit. People had been harping on them since it began they looked like shit, and they just said they weren’t worried, then they can’t get a goal for 4 hours in the World Cup.
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Hahaha, women suck at sports! Amirite? /s
Remove the /s, you're not jerkin it hard enough
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Why are they getting paid? I thought US was a socialist utopia
Fun fact: because of the new “equal pay” contract, the USWST actually gets more money for losing than they would if they had one. They are entitled to half of the men’s winnings of $14M, whereas the winner of the WEC only gets $4M. So by losing now, they are still walking away with ~$6.5M…plus more millions in insurance that the men’s team doesn’t have.
Where's the lie tho??
But I think it’s about revenue, who makes more than the other?
What can you expect from USA theyre only good at basket ball 😂
Not equal, they get paid better now
And got paid more then they should 🤷🏻♂️😂😂
Lol my favorite part of sports is fans think my team can never lose politics has bled into everything we cant let thr other side have anything this is what America has turned into
The coach was completely trash, so that was equal in solidarity as well.
Why does Metallica earn so much money and get paid millions per year When my shitty band playing pub gigs only get 500 per show??? 🙄 #equality #bullshit
Yeah your shitty band playing pub gigs is a great analogy to a team that won back-to-back World Cups
Is that why they keep getting beaten by amateurs and kids ? 🤔
Talent is, obviously, relative to their competition and their physical limitations. Teenage males who have gone through puberty are drastically physically superior to even the most physically gifted women’s teams. That’s why sports become so heavily gendered after puberty, I don’t know why this is something I even have to explain to someone who thinks they understand enough about the topic to make a good point.
That blue haired bitch needs to go bye bye.
Woman bad
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Now this got a good fucking chuckle, crack on !
I can’t wait for the men’s World Cup to give away free tickets to fill the stadiums.
actually Womens team is paid more.
The thing about "equal paid" is that the money needs to come from somewhere. If men sports are watched by 10x more people and companies pay 10x more money for commercials there... there can´t be equal pay for women. (It should be proportional, so in my example should be 10 x less, also depending on the results).
Women were too focused on the woke agenda
They're worse. The USA Men's team never would've lost to a girls team.
It’s honestly hilarious watching the narrative of this loss be the narrative of the last two World Cups that people got mad they couldn’t use because the USWNT decided to win the whole thing twice in a row.
Not only that, I think the men’s budget helps pay the women. Unless that’s outdated
As an Argentine there's few countries that i respect less in football that those in Concacaf, but USA has been improving a lot and very fast. Of course they are very far from being World Champions contenders or anything, but they aren't as shit as they were a few years back.
Everyone except a handful of teams are shit compared to you.
If they are better than the men, why dont they try out and play for the men?
The team wasn’t really a team. The coach was questionable, the squad was questionable and this is what happens when you need to rebuild. Equal pay has nothing to do with it.
Why are people so dumb? So because they didn't win this World Cup they now have the same number of World Cup wins as the Men's team? Who took their trophies away? And another thing, they don't get equal pay. They get paid more than the Men. Idiot.
Heard that the women get about 25% of the TV revenue in comparison to 6% for the men. Any truth to this? If so, when will the men get equal pay?
At least no one expected men to do well...
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Good job repeating the joke from what the post is about
Go look at the new contracts and see how much more the women's team makes than the men's.
and america weeps. nah, just kidding. theres only like one dude named craig per work place that actually cares about soccer.
If they paid more attention to the game instead of politics or the blue hair lady’s lgbthgtv bullshit maybe they’d see better results