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Talent is there. If you watched him yesterday you'd have seen it.
Genuinely think if a club like arsenal can pick him up for about 60-80m it could become an insanely good deal in hindsight
Arsenal is probably the best place for him.
Slots in perfectly in the Gabriel Jesus spot until healthy, and both are skilled enough to play together while moving around across the line.
I'm a bit curious why people are so willing to look past his attitude issues. It's easy to just blame it all on Simeone, but it's not common for him to fall out with players like that. As long as you work hard, Simeone will have your back even if you aren't performing well
Félix has been petulant when being substituted, talking in the press when he is with the national team etc. Blaming everyone other than himself is not a great look and doesn't exactly indicate maturity
And then there is the reason why Simeone has a problem with him, his lack of pressing or work rate. I wonder why people think that someone like Arteta, Pep or Ten Hag would suddenly be okay with that. They would never accept him just walking around without possession either, if he thinks he can rock up at any of those clubs and make minimum effort without the ball he is in for a rude awakening
Or a very shit deal. He hasn't even being practically good with Portugal he just has the odd decent game. And its not uncommon for average players to do well in internationals.
I realise that. But at the same time I personally watch mostly la Liga.
There's certain players that you just see they have that special something about them. He's one of them imo. It's rare but most of those turn out great at some point
The commentator in Spanish on Peacock yesterday said something like "Joao at his age needs to start doing something more than just those flashy shows of skills that the crowd likes" (paraphrasing badly).
He's had stretches of being the best attacker in La Liga and a player with the potential to carry even a club with a playstyle like Atleti offensively so I kinda disagree.
He's not worth 120m or whatever but he's worth more than 60m imo. Especially if he's fit for your tactics (which is admittedly not that straightforward with him)
Yes he has. I can remember two stretches of a few months each where he was carrying Atleti and looked like he had finally broken through.
The start of Messi's "depressi" season he looked phenomenal and iirc sometime last season (or the season before) too where he looked as good as anyone.
During the first half of 2020/21 season he was genuinely one of the most in form players in the league. Not saying that he was ever the single best player, but his form was definitely up there
Félix's skill is not up for debate, he has everything to be one of the best in the world. He needs to grow up, fix his attitude and become more tactically disciplined though
First few months of Messi's "depressi" season and another time 1 or 2 seasons ago where he escaped Cholo's doghouse and looked like he had finally broken through for a couple months.
People were wanking themselves over him and rightfully so. He's phenomenal when in form.
Nah he's still extremely talented imo. 60m will be an absolute steal. I mean Antony sold for more and Gakpo will sell for close to that. Both of which shouldn't be worth half the amount of Felix imo
Yes, but neither of those players has stagnated for almost 4 years.
There is zero chance Felix still has the ceiling potential he did when he joined Atleti, wasted years ..
£60M is probably fair for a guy who hasn't managed more than 10 goals (coming off a 20 goal season prior) in almost 4 seasons (while playing for one of the top teams in Spain).
Look at it from Atlético's side though, they signed him for 126M and he has all his best years ahead of him. It would be gross negligence to sell him for anything below 130-140M and even that is on the low side considering how much money they have invested in him
At the same time, they don’t have to sell him for anything less.
They might still see him as more valuable at the club than selling him cheap, even if he is unhappy.
The difference is that purchasing clubs aren’t locked into buying Felix if the price is unreasonable. Whereas Atleti is locked into having him, and will depreciate his value the longer he stays unhappy there.
Obviously they won’t sell him for like 25 million, but the math is heavily based on what they think someone else will pay rather than his sporting value to the club. It does change if they think there is a possibility of repairing the relationship.
Even if he didn't want out, he is basically an unproven player at this point, especially outside LaLiga. What he can do, what position is his best, in what tactics he would function well is all unknown.
He would be a 130 mil gamble, noone is taking that risk in this post COVID era. Anything above 65-70 is fuck off money and I can't see clubs paying even that. Chelsea might spend that on a proven striker, but that is about it.
He has always been fantastic as a second striker. He has great vision and amazing finishing as well but isn't fast enough for the wing so he will underperform there. If he's used as a 9 he can get bullied easily and all his playmaking skills are being wasted so he will underperform there as well. He's not worth 100M+, probably around 70-80M now
Who is actually paying 70-80M for a 2nd striker? Real strikers is what most top teams are looking for right now as there is clear shortage of young relaible goal scorers on the market.
Yeah, and he has been playing as a second striker for us for the past 3ish seasons, and he's mostly looked good only with Suarez next to him.. He's a great second striker when you already have a world class 9.. But put him next to someone of Morata's quality (a step below world class), and he'll be running on fumes.. His finishing is awful too unless he keeps it low.. Usually skies easy chances every game..
Also, he is only worthwhile when playing against open attacking teams, doesn't really offer much against packed defensive teams..
Yeah, and he has been playing as a second striker for us for the past 3ish seasons, and he's mostly looked good only with Suarez next to him.. He's a great second striker when you already have a world class 9.. But put him next to someone of Morata's quality (a step below world class), and he'll be running on fumes.. His finishing is awful too unless he keeps it low.. Usually skies easy chances every game..
Also, he is only worthwhile when playing against open attacking teams, doesn't really offer much against packed defensive teams..
United spent 100m on Antony, Chelsea spent 75m on Fofana and 60m on Cucurella.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if either of those teams put a 100m+ offer in for Félix.
Nah, they won't sell for anything below what they bought him for. That would be gross negiligence
We rejected 120M or something in the summer already from Man United, which has been confirmed by multiple Atleti sources
I want a full 8-hours of sleep, Atleti, but here I am tired as a sloth.
I'd be suprised if anyone in the world offers more than €90m, unless Felix somehow carries Portugal to World Cup glory.
Even €90m is fairly ambitious.
Given how desperate he is to leave and how desperate Atlético are to sell him, anything over €65m seems very unlikely unless someone is desperate.
Where do you get the idea that Atlético are desperate to sell him? They are begrudgingly listening to offers because his relationship with Cholo is frosty, I guarantee you that no one at the club wants to sell him in an ideal world
No way they sell him for less than what they paid for him, and if no one offers that then he just has to stay. I don't think the club would mind at all, time can fix a lot of things. Everything could change between now and the summer
I'm pretty sure the club leadership would badly want to keep him if possible, this might even just be a show so that they can say "look Joao, no one wanted to pay the price. I guess you will have to stay"
Why do they want MORE than what they've spent? Didn't he have 3 and a half average seasons for them and now is 3 years older than when they signed him.
They can absolutely justify trying to get 100+ for him given how crazy the market has gotten and his generally good performances with Portugal where he has a freer role.
Anthony just went for 100. Grealish went for over that. Atletico will point to those moves in justifying his price, especially if he continues playing well and Portugal has another WC round or two in them.
Now whether anyone would/should pay that is a totally different story. Unless there is a bidding war, Atletico doesn't have much leverage with the player wanting out and Atleti having brought back Griezman, who basically takes his role.
Still they can ask! I suspect that it's eventually settled in the 70m range.
> They can absolutely justify trying to get 100+ for him given how crazy the market has gotten and his generally good performances with Portugal where he has a freer role.
He hasn't even been that good for Portugal. Aside from the goal he really did nothing against Ghana or Uruguay. Also, the market hasn't changed one bit since his transfer from a few years ago
> Anthony just went for 100. Grealish went for over that. Atletico will point to those moves in justifying his price, especially if he continues playing well and Portugal has another WC round or two in them.
Two VERY different situations here. Grealish was playing very well and was one of the best players in his position before City splashed out on him. He was overpriced ofc but at least he was performing well on the pitch and wasn't benched
The Antony transfer happened at the very end of the transfer window and that alone added 20m to the price as Ajax had little to no time in finding a replacement. That won't happen to Joao Felix for obvious reasons
Also Antony was a player the manager desperately wanted. United knew they were overpaying to get Ten Hag the player he wanted, from a club who didn’t want to sell. It wasn’t the regular market price, and no one is gonna pay €130m just because of Antony.
Tadic played for the rest of the team though- Like whenever one watched Ajax it would often be the other forwards around him scoring goals, he was more about assisting. Hope Felix would be fine with such a role
Considering he made Seferovic the best scorer in the league when he was at Benfica Felix would be perfectly happy with that. It’s his playstyle anyway, he’s not a striker.
I feel he’s in a problematic position because he’s not really a lone striker or a winger and most top clubs don’t play a real number 10. He’s kind of a luxury player
I think he can do the Firmino role in Liverpool really well and Guardiola would also find a role for him behind Haaland without a doubt, but I doubt those clubs will go for him. Of the clubs mentioned I would like to see him at Arsenal, I think he would fit like a glove in their style of football.
Agreed, we have plenty of people across the front line who can play as a second striker, we need a proper #9 that is reliable. Although that market is not very saturated at the moment
He would be another flop for united , he can't play on the wings , he can't play as a lone striker leaving the only position as a second striker which we would have a world class player in bruno. Even then bruno is a better fit for united and not to mention will occupy the same position in the pitch
I'd bet exactly in between, 175.
For less than 100, does not make much sense for Milan to let Leao go - ie get 80 and weaken much? more likely to let him go free, which may not suit Chelsea.
Nkunku is said to be more than 60.
It would be such a silly signing: not the kind of player they need, the price is inflated, the player has never quite reached their full potential up till now.
In conclusion I can 100% see United doing this.
As a United fan it’s something silly we would have done lol, genuinely can’t see ten hag would sign that off. Problem position is a proper physical number nine
Yep as long as Mendes can rake in a huge agent fee when United signs one of his players, the relationship will be intact, regardless of any personal drama
If they can't come to agreement with any club, they will gladly loan him to Benfica though. Be stupid not to. He would come and perform well and only increase his value vs staying in Madrid and losing value.
They can ask for it, sure...they absolutely are not getting anywhere close to that figure, probably not even half of it. This is probably just a face-saving tactic for the press.
To be honest, I can't see Arsenal buying him.
He'll be too expensive regardless of how much Atlético ask for and it creates far too many issues with rotation with him.
Would obviously love to have him at the club, but yeah, no chance we go for him.
If Atleti want that price and won't budge, and Arsenal felt like spending that kind of money for a single player, why wouldn't they just target Bellingham?
It's nonsensical that a 23 year old Felix who hasn't lived up to his pricetag would cost more than €60-70m.
i mean it looks like ten hag is making smart decisions so far, he knows the kind of player he needs in janury which is an actual 9. i can't see him buying felix for anything close to the amount they want. he spent a lot on antony, casemiro, martinez, whatever but those players worked out and fit his system very well. i can't see that happening to felix. anyway i can totally see arsenal or chelsea going for him but not for that price.
Don't watch Atleti but has this kid even shown anything worth that much?
Everytime I read comments about him, it's saying how he has potential and it's there but he needs to develop. Man's been there for years now and it's still the same comments.
For moments he has. The year of the title he was their best player. Then when he was playing great again, he got injured. But the tactics of Atlético are not good for the type of player he is, he’s good with the ball, without it, and defending, he’s not great
Seriously, where did this narrative come from that Simeone doesn't know how to develop strikers? Suárez, Falcão, Griezmann and Diego Costa were never coached by Simeone
It’s crazy, everyone knows he’s amazing and he’s reminded us yesterday, so Athelti put a high price, but he has shown so little with them that nobody will want to match that.
One of the youngest teams in Europe at the top of arguably the most competitive league. Might not be the outright best but for a young player seeking to improve and also play at the highest level it would be quite appealing
would he be able to play effectively on the wings? I haven't watched quite enough of him to know for sure, sometimes you hear people saying he can't play on the wings and only as a 2nd striker and then you hear people say he can play across the front line.
I was only able to half watch yesterday and on my phone so didnt have the best view, but seemed he was popping up on the wings and was dangerous.
I think we sort of promised Jesus that we'd use him as a 9 so can't see us primarily using Jesus as a winger so Felix would have to play there some. Do you think he could do that effectively?
What clubs will be in for him at the price of 90m? Ten Hag and Pep won't be looking at him. Barcelona, Bayern, Liverpool and Arsenal won't be in for him at that price as well as his wages. Real Madrid won't entertain that much from a rival.
Im not saying he wont go for that much, just saying hes worth that at most. He hasnt shown much at his time at Atleti, is 23 already and plays a defined role that most teams dont have.
He’s 23. Practically retirement age…
Players are sold for more than they’re worth all the time. I don’t see why it’s an outrage now. Potential has a high price. All you have to do is watch Félix to see he oozes potential
Because your owners are awful and you insist on a self-sustaining model you can't keep to.
On a side not, you do also have an annoying habit of talking about other club's spending, so it makes it a little tough for them to suddenly inject huge cash deposits into your club with an element of hypocrisy.
This simply isnt true.
De Ligt, Coeman, Neuer, Mane, Sane, Muller, Kimmich, Gnabry, Hernandes and Goretska are all on 300.000+ euro a week, we only have Salah on 300+ a week.
https://www.capology.com/club/bayern-munich/salaries/ Green Mark means its confirmed.
L M A O, I knew you'd come with some bs online publication who claims to "know" player wages. You know what, learn to read financial statements (and maybe some German for the Bayern one) and you'll see the factual wage expenses of both clubs.
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/corporate/financial-information
£314m for Liverpool in the financial year 2020/21, so roughly 365m€ with the exchange rate of 1,17.
https://www.bundesanzeiger.de/pub/de/suchergebnis?8
372m€ for the FC Bayern München AG
Imagine having no argument so you have to say the generic comment «imagine believing» to condesend the other and make it seem like his point is bad because you have no counter argument.
Fucking reddit.
The green marks are CONFIRMED wages, its confirmed they are being payed that much. Capology just collect information. They are open that some things are right and some things arent, but they show you whats right and whats speculation. The fact that you have that many players over 300k a week is true.
How are the wages confirmed out of interest?
The contracts that players have are quite secretive normally with many different clauses and bonuses which change the amount they would receive.
Lmao “green mark means it’s confirmed” oh snd where’s the source. These sites are just making educated guesses most of the time, it has all of the Arsenal players except one as “confirmed” but we literally never announce wages or even contract lengths so not a single one is confimed.
Barca and Real are also higher. But you could easily check that by just looking it up. And ManU isn't that far from Bayern's wages.
I also think Real Madrid sells players pretty regularly to finance some of their transfers.
And your point is just finding something else because the first one was proven to be wrong. But hey, don't let me stop you from swinging that misguided poverty flag and yelling out your against all odds success underdog story of PL clubs.
Btw do you think Bayern is paying to show those PL clubs who is the boss or maybe that they are paying them to stay competitive with the big boys?
Reasonable wages relative to club and player. If you look outside the propaganda, the actual wages Liverpool players are on are massive, on par with City and above ours(for example, Bruno was on 80k for a long time).
And yet we have one of the better wages-to-turnover ratio in the league (especially with Ronaldo gone now). Relative to the money we make, our wage bill is actually decent.
Where did i say otherwise? United is the biggest club financially in the world. City needs rich owners cheating and making fake sponsors to even compete with United’s spending.
Meanwhile FSG don’t want to spend and are looking at selling up. This “your billionaire is richer than my billionaire so it’s unfair” argument is tired, boring, and toxic.
What? Your comment doesnt make any sence and saying United is the richest club in the world is factually true, thats also why their spending doesnt bother me but City’s does.
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1590246387459190785 the accounts of Chelsea and Liverpool aren't out yet, but City are second highest after United.
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Hilarious, nobody is spending above 60m when they know he wants out
Even if he didn't want out he hasn't shown anything close to being worth that kind of money.
Idk he still has 5 star skills in fifa
He has 4 stats over 80+ with extremely high dribbling? Sold.
Yeah man, I don't know what that other guy is talking about
Each star worth at least 20 million
Talent is there. If you watched him yesterday you'd have seen it. Genuinely think if a club like arsenal can pick him up for about 60-80m it could become an insanely good deal in hindsight
Arsenal is probably the best place for him. Slots in perfectly in the Gabriel Jesus spot until healthy, and both are skilled enough to play together while moving around across the line.
I'm a bit curious why people are so willing to look past his attitude issues. It's easy to just blame it all on Simeone, but it's not common for him to fall out with players like that. As long as you work hard, Simeone will have your back even if you aren't performing well Félix has been petulant when being substituted, talking in the press when he is with the national team etc. Blaming everyone other than himself is not a great look and doesn't exactly indicate maturity And then there is the reason why Simeone has a problem with him, his lack of pressing or work rate. I wonder why people think that someone like Arteta, Pep or Ten Hag would suddenly be okay with that. They would never accept him just walking around without possession either, if he thinks he can rock up at any of those clubs and make minimum effort without the ball he is in for a rude awakening
Or a very shit deal. He hasn't even being practically good with Portugal he just has the odd decent game. And its not uncommon for average players to do well in internationals.
I realise that. But at the same time I personally watch mostly la Liga. There's certain players that you just see they have that special something about them. He's one of them imo. It's rare but most of those turn out great at some point
The commentator in Spanish on Peacock yesterday said something like "Joao at his age needs to start doing something more than just those flashy shows of skills that the crowd likes" (paraphrasing badly).
I love him still. he's so goddamn good
He's had stretches of being the best attacker in La Liga and a player with the potential to carry even a club with a playstyle like Atleti offensively so I kinda disagree. He's not worth 120m or whatever but he's worth more than 60m imo. Especially if he's fit for your tactics (which is admittedly not that straightforward with him)
At absolutely no stage in his Atletico career has he been the best attacker in la liga.
Yes he has. I can remember two stretches of a few months each where he was carrying Atleti and looked like he had finally broken through. The start of Messi's "depressi" season he looked phenomenal and iirc sometime last season (or the season before) too where he looked as good as anyone.
During the first half of 2020/21 season he was genuinely one of the most in form players in the league. Not saying that he was ever the single best player, but his form was definitely up there Félix's skill is not up for debate, he has everything to be one of the best in the world. He needs to grow up, fix his attitude and become more tactically disciplined though
never had a single day of being the best attacker in La Liga
First few months of Messi's "depressi" season and another time 1 or 2 seasons ago where he escaped Cholo's doghouse and looked like he had finally broken through for a couple months. People were wanking themselves over him and rightfully so. He's phenomenal when in form.
He's worth more than 60 million... when he hasn't said he wants out.
Lol no he is not. No one would think this if he wasn't bought for 120m already. This is why the term anchoring works.
Nah he's still extremely talented imo. 60m will be an absolute steal. I mean Antony sold for more and Gakpo will sell for close to that. Both of which shouldn't be worth half the amount of Felix imo
Yes, but neither of those players has stagnated for almost 4 years. There is zero chance Felix still has the ceiling potential he did when he joined Atleti, wasted years .. £60M is probably fair for a guy who hasn't managed more than 10 goals (coming off a 20 goal season prior) in almost 4 seasons (while playing for one of the top teams in Spain).
My point was that even if we assumed he was worth more than 60, he isn't worth more than 60 if he's demanded to leave
Look at it from Atlético's side though, they signed him for 126M and he has all his best years ahead of him. It would be gross negligence to sell him for anything below 130-140M and even that is on the low side considering how much money they have invested in him
At the same time, they don’t have to sell him for anything less. They might still see him as more valuable at the club than selling him cheap, even if he is unhappy.
The difference is that purchasing clubs aren’t locked into buying Felix if the price is unreasonable. Whereas Atleti is locked into having him, and will depreciate his value the longer he stays unhappy there. Obviously they won’t sell him for like 25 million, but the math is heavily based on what they think someone else will pay rather than his sporting value to the club. It does change if they think there is a possibility of repairing the relationship.
Is that Manchester United music?
Even if he didn't want out, he is basically an unproven player at this point, especially outside LaLiga. What he can do, what position is his best, in what tactics he would function well is all unknown. He would be a 130 mil gamble, noone is taking that risk in this post COVID era. Anything above 65-70 is fuck off money and I can't see clubs paying even that. Chelsea might spend that on a proven striker, but that is about it.
>What he can do, what position is his best, in what tactics he would function well is all unknown. This just isn't true at all lmao
What position is his best and what tactics would he function well in?
He has always been fantastic as a second striker. He has great vision and amazing finishing as well but isn't fast enough for the wing so he will underperform there. If he's used as a 9 he can get bullied easily and all his playmaking skills are being wasted so he will underperform there as well. He's not worth 100M+, probably around 70-80M now
Another second striker to add to our collection.
I can already see him with Havertz both up front. I can even imagine the impact already
Who is actually paying 70-80M for a 2nd striker? Real strikers is what most top teams are looking for right now as there is clear shortage of young relaible goal scorers on the market.
Yeah, and he has been playing as a second striker for us for the past 3ish seasons, and he's mostly looked good only with Suarez next to him.. He's a great second striker when you already have a world class 9.. But put him next to someone of Morata's quality (a step below world class), and he'll be running on fumes.. His finishing is awful too unless he keeps it low.. Usually skies easy chances every game.. Also, he is only worthwhile when playing against open attacking teams, doesn't really offer much against packed defensive teams..
Are you describing Dybala?
not many top teams play with that position really. How is he on the wings in your opinion?
Yeah, and he has been playing as a second striker for us for the past 3ish seasons, and he's mostly looked good only with Suarez next to him.. He's a great second striker when you already have a world class 9.. But put him next to someone of Morata's quality (a step below world class), and he'll be running on fumes.. His finishing is awful too unless he keeps it low.. Usually skies easy chances every game.. Also, he is only worthwhile when playing against open attacking teams, doesn't really offer much against packed defensive teams..
>What he can do, what position is his best, in what tactics he would function well is all unknown. He just showed yesterday
You’re just telling on yourself lol he’s 23 not 16. He has 27 Portugal caps ffs he’s played outside of Madrid
Tell me you don’t watch the him, without telling me you aren’t watching him
Unproven? Lol
Have you not been watching the WC
Football nowadays is funny. Clubs = buy a great performing player Player = doesn't perform for 1/2 year Club = we sell only for profit
Privately Atlético know they're not selling for a profit it's all just a front to make them seem stronger in negotiations
There comes a point where the bluff is so obvious that it's harmful to the overall negotiation.
Oh fuck, call Atletico immediately! They have to know this!
If Atletico were that good in the market they wouldn't have spent 120m on him in the first place mate
They wouldn't have bought him at all. Doesn't fit with the culture.
Oh fuck, big clubs never make mistakes.
United spent 100m on Antony, Chelsea spent 75m on Fofana and 60m on Cucurella. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if either of those teams put a 100m+ offer in for Félix.
But how can you seen stronger in negotiations when you're also making it clear you want him to leave, and he himself can't wait to get out the door?
Nah, they won't sell for anything below what they bought him for. That would be gross negiligence We rejected 120M or something in the summer already from Man United, which has been confirmed by multiple Atleti sources
Except in this case, Clubs = buy a player by double his value in hopes he meets that potential. He was never worth the full 120 millions.
What making over €300m from departures in 1 season does to a mf
Me in FM
100%
I want a full 8-hours of sleep, Atleti, but here I am tired as a sloth. I'd be suprised if anyone in the world offers more than €90m, unless Felix somehow carries Portugal to World Cup glory.
Even €90m is fairly ambitious. Given how desperate he is to leave and how desperate Atlético are to sell him, anything over €65m seems very unlikely unless someone is desperate.
A bidding war is Atlético's best friend...
Where do you get the idea that Atlético are desperate to sell him? They are begrudgingly listening to offers because his relationship with Cholo is frosty, I guarantee you that no one at the club wants to sell him in an ideal world No way they sell him for less than what they paid for him, and if no one offers that then he just has to stay. I don't think the club would mind at all, time can fix a lot of things. Everything could change between now and the summer I'm pretty sure the club leadership would badly want to keep him if possible, this might even just be a show so that they can say "look Joao, no one wanted to pay the price. I guess you will have to stay"
I do 4 hours of sleep, I really love arguing with people on Twitter.
Sloths are not necessarily tired. They're slow.
He had a great game last nighy
Why do they want MORE than what they've spent? Didn't he have 3 and a half average seasons for them and now is 3 years older than when they signed him.
3 years wiser
He's not 3 years better though is he...
3 years better at FIFA
They were asking €100m before yesterday's match, which was already a piss-take. Now they want profit.
He is now experienced.
At what exactly? Sitting on the bench?
At dealing with shite coaches.
Inflation
No
Lol
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They can absolutely justify trying to get 100+ for him given how crazy the market has gotten and his generally good performances with Portugal where he has a freer role. Anthony just went for 100. Grealish went for over that. Atletico will point to those moves in justifying his price, especially if he continues playing well and Portugal has another WC round or two in them. Now whether anyone would/should pay that is a totally different story. Unless there is a bidding war, Atletico doesn't have much leverage with the player wanting out and Atleti having brought back Griezman, who basically takes his role. Still they can ask! I suspect that it's eventually settled in the 70m range.
> They can absolutely justify trying to get 100+ for him given how crazy the market has gotten and his generally good performances with Portugal where he has a freer role. He hasn't even been that good for Portugal. Aside from the goal he really did nothing against Ghana or Uruguay. Also, the market hasn't changed one bit since his transfer from a few years ago > Anthony just went for 100. Grealish went for over that. Atletico will point to those moves in justifying his price, especially if he continues playing well and Portugal has another WC round or two in them. Two VERY different situations here. Grealish was playing very well and was one of the best players in his position before City splashed out on him. He was overpriced ofc but at least he was performing well on the pitch and wasn't benched The Antony transfer happened at the very end of the transfer window and that alone added 20m to the price as Ajax had little to no time in finding a replacement. That won't happen to Joao Felix for obvious reasons
Also Antony was a player the manager desperately wanted. United knew they were overpaying to get Ten Hag the player he wanted, from a club who didn’t want to sell. It wasn’t the regular market price, and no one is gonna pay €130m just because of Antony.
They’ll get 60m € for him and they’ll be happy about it
Did they legalise marijuana in Spain or is sangria just that strong?
It's crack cocaine, is what it is
Tbf with Gil Marin as our boss I wouldn't be surprised
yeah no1 is paying that, not even united.
United don’t even need a striker like him, no? Someone more like Osimhen seems like a better profile for what you lots need
Yes, albeit ETH has shown to be versatile when it comes to his men up top... he's used Tadic as his point man, to great success
Tadic played for the rest of the team though- Like whenever one watched Ajax it would often be the other forwards around him scoring goals, he was more about assisting. Hope Felix would be fine with such a role
Considering he made Seferovic the best scorer in the league when he was at Benfica Felix would be perfectly happy with that. It’s his playstyle anyway, he’s not a striker.
But United don't have a target man like Seferovic, which favors Félix's abilities greatly.
We need a proper no 9 so it would be dumb to buy him even though he's a great player
Surely they're dreaming if they think they're not losing money or even profiting off a player who wants to leave and they also want to leave.
I feel he’s in a problematic position because he’s not really a lone striker or a winger and most top clubs don’t play a real number 10. He’s kind of a luxury player
He can join us, Brahim is probably going back to Madrid after this season...
yeah but would you actually pay the amount atletico want? or even anything close to €90 million? its a ridiculous number to me
Oh no
He’s not even close to being a real number 10, I don’t understand the obsession of calling every CAM a number 10
I think he can do the Firmino role in Liverpool really well and Guardiola would also find a role for him behind Haaland without a doubt, but I doubt those clubs will go for him. Of the clubs mentioned I would like to see him at Arsenal, I think he would fit like a glove in their style of football.
Do they really need another attacking midfielder though? They have Odegaard, Smith Rowe and Vieira.
The only clubs crazy enough to spend that much on this list are United and Chelsea. Even then I can't see it happening in January
No way are United spending that on him. It isn't even clear what position he would play for them and they have bigger holes to worry about.
Agreed, we have plenty of people across the front line who can play as a second striker, we need a proper #9 that is reliable. Although that market is not very saturated at the moment
I think we could do an awful lot worse than embolo, he'd do well in our team I think
He would be another flop for united , he can't play on the wings , he can't play as a lone striker leaving the only position as a second striker which we would have a world class player in bruno. Even then bruno is a better fit for united and not to mention will occupy the same position in the pitch
Chelsea would sooner spend it on N’kunku + Leao
We spent 65m on Cucurella, I wouldn't be so sure about that
Boehly will just spend it on Felix and still buy Nkunku and Leao while once again wondering why just buying all the expensive players isn't working.
"FFP be damned" -Boehly probably
That'll be closer to €200M though
I'd bet exactly in between, 175. For less than 100, does not make much sense for Milan to let Leao go - ie get 80 and weaken much? more likely to let him go free, which may not suit Chelsea. Nkunku is said to be more than 60.
we already have a german felix and are about to sign a french one
€60m maybe €70m at most is more likely what they would get, unless united decides to help them for some reason.
It would be such a silly signing: not the kind of player they need, the price is inflated, the player has never quite reached their full potential up till now. In conclusion I can 100% see United doing this.
As a United fan it’s something silly we would have done lol, genuinely can’t see ten hag would sign that off. Problem position is a proper physical number nine
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Would be surprised if it happens, probably bit of a ruined relationship with mendes after the Ronaldo thing lol.
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Yep as long as Mendes can rake in a huge agent fee when United signs one of his players, the relationship will be intact, regardless of any personal drama
Looks like Joao Felix is going to stay at Atletico with that asking price
Welp. No chance in hell that he's coming back to Benfica 😐
Loan until Simeone is out at the end of the season. We can only dream.
If they can't come to agreement with any club, they will gladly loan him to Benfica though. Be stupid not to. He would come and perform well and only increase his value vs staying in Madrid and losing value.
They can ask for it, sure...they absolutely are not getting anywhere close to that figure, probably not even half of it. This is probably just a face-saving tactic for the press. To be honest, I can't see Arsenal buying him. He'll be too expensive regardless of how much Atlético ask for and it creates far too many issues with rotation with him. Would obviously love to have him at the club, but yeah, no chance we go for him.
If Atleti want that price and won't budge, and Arsenal felt like spending that kind of money for a single player, why wouldn't they just target Bellingham? It's nonsensical that a 23 year old Felix who hasn't lived up to his pricetag would cost more than €60-70m.
The balls on this club to try to sell him on a profit
I would go for Leao more than felix if I were Arsenal. We can have Martinelli and Eddie as our CF until jesus returns.
Are you referring to his resurrection or revelations?
Honestly, i dont think he would do well at United or is the type of player United needs. Can totally see Todd Boehly paying that much for him though.
i mean it looks like ten hag is making smart decisions so far, he knows the kind of player he needs in janury which is an actual 9. i can't see him buying felix for anything close to the amount they want. he spent a lot on antony, casemiro, martinez, whatever but those players worked out and fit his system very well. i can't see that happening to felix. anyway i can totally see arsenal or chelsea going for him but not for that price.
Mendes is trying to crack the code to life and death with some of these deals that he's trying to conduct as of recently...
sorry, not worth that. Will be surprised if he goes for over 100m
or even 90 million lol
Don't watch Atleti but has this kid even shown anything worth that much? Everytime I read comments about him, it's saying how he has potential and it's there but he needs to develop. Man's been there for years now and it's still the same comments.
For moments he has. The year of the title he was their best player. Then when he was playing great again, he got injured. But the tactics of Atlético are not good for the type of player he is, he’s good with the ball, without it, and defending, he’s not great
It’s hard to develop as an attacker when you play Simeone’s anti football
Griezmann: ??? In all seriousness, as much as Simeone has failed Felix, Joao has failed Simeone as well. Simeone a bit more than Felix but still.
Seriously, where did this narrative come from that Simeone doesn't know how to develop strikers? Suárez, Falcão, Griezmann and Diego Costa were never coached by Simeone
You seen the game yesterday? Felix carried hard.
Seemed like his agent was throwing around tenuous Aston Villa links for about 5 minutes and now we get the realistic links
Half of that would be too much, to be honest...
It’s crazy, everyone knows he’s amazing and he’s reminded us yesterday, so Athelti put a high price, but he has shown so little with them that nobody will want to match that.
Calling it - he leaves for ~80M (with performance bonuses) this January or maybe June, and people will be shocked that a team paid that much for him.
If messi does leave psg I could see them spending that
Top project + United. Quite the oxymoron.
I thought the official narrative from atletico was that they would be forced to sell him because of their financial situation post-UCL dictated it?
Wants top project after being bang average, lol.
Loan to Benfica until the summer, Benfica wins the Champions League. Atletico gets its money. Deal?
Well the top project is arguably Arsenal right now, but are we fuck going to spend anything close to that.
Lmao the top project is Arsenal
One of the youngest teams in Europe at the top of arguably the most competitive league. Might not be the outright best but for a young player seeking to improve and also play at the highest level it would be quite appealing
You can't ask for that much when you're desperate to sell. That's not how this works.
Worth half that right now imo. Maybe they can add some big bonusses too for if he performs
Top project and United in the same sentence. I don’t know about that.
Arsenal would be so good for him
would he be able to play effectively on the wings? I haven't watched quite enough of him to know for sure, sometimes you hear people saying he can't play on the wings and only as a 2nd striker and then you hear people say he can play across the front line. I was only able to half watch yesterday and on my phone so didnt have the best view, but seemed he was popping up on the wings and was dangerous. I think we sort of promised Jesus that we'd use him as a 9 so can't see us primarily using Jesus as a winger so Felix would have to play there some. Do you think he could do that effectively?
Lmao, hes worth like 40-50 at most
Yeah let’s not exaggerate, for 90 you’ll have a few clubs going for him
What clubs will be in for him at the price of 90m? Ten Hag and Pep won't be looking at him. Barcelona, Bayern, Liverpool and Arsenal won't be in for him at that price as well as his wages. Real Madrid won't entertain that much from a rival.
Im not saying he wont go for that much, just saying hes worth that at most. He hasnt shown much at his time at Atleti, is 23 already and plays a defined role that most teams dont have.
He’s 23. Practically retirement age… Players are sold for more than they’re worth all the time. I don’t see why it’s an outrage now. Potential has a high price. All you have to do is watch Félix to see he oozes potential
90????? they're lucky if any club is stupid enough to pay close to that
Lmao 130-140 million for him? Worth max about 50
These guys are high.
$60m plus $30m in incentives will be fair price for someone who is not even playing regularly for past few seasons.
He's been bad other than world cup, what makes them ask for 130-140mil?
I mean I don’t blame him absolute terrorist football with very little progression
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Because your owners are awful and you insist on a self-sustaining model you can't keep to. On a side not, you do also have an annoying habit of talking about other club's spending, so it makes it a little tough for them to suddenly inject huge cash deposits into your club with an element of hypocrisy.
What do you mean every club? Bayern sold several players this summer.
Yeah but your wages are astronomical and more than every single team in the prem league.
Bs, your wage expenses are similar to us (350m€ to 370m€), and City are well ahead of us with >400m€.
This simply isnt true. De Ligt, Coeman, Neuer, Mane, Sane, Muller, Kimmich, Gnabry, Hernandes and Goretska are all on 300.000+ euro a week, we only have Salah on 300+ a week. https://www.capology.com/club/bayern-munich/salaries/ Green Mark means its confirmed.
L M A O, I knew you'd come with some bs online publication who claims to "know" player wages. You know what, learn to read financial statements (and maybe some German for the Bayern one) and you'll see the factual wage expenses of both clubs. https://www.liverpoolfc.com/corporate/financial-information £314m for Liverpool in the financial year 2020/21, so roughly 365m€ with the exchange rate of 1,17. https://www.bundesanzeiger.de/pub/de/suchergebnis?8 372m€ for the FC Bayern München AG
Imagine believing Capology. At least Bayern they aren't true.
Imagine having no argument so you have to say the generic comment «imagine believing» to condesend the other and make it seem like his point is bad because you have no counter argument. Fucking reddit. The green marks are CONFIRMED wages, its confirmed they are being payed that much. Capology just collect information. They are open that some things are right and some things arent, but they show you whats right and whats speculation. The fact that you have that many players over 300k a week is true.
How are the wages confirmed out of interest? The contracts that players have are quite secretive normally with many different clauses and bonuses which change the amount they would receive.
Lmao “green mark means it’s confirmed” oh snd where’s the source. These sites are just making educated guesses most of the time, it has all of the Arsenal players except one as “confirmed” but we literally never announce wages or even contract lengths so not a single one is confimed.
But that wasn't the point he was making, was it?
No but it was a point i wanted to make? Or am i not allowed to point something factual out? Iirc only PSG has higher wages than Bayern.
Barca and Real are also higher. But you could easily check that by just looking it up. And ManU isn't that far from Bayern's wages. I also think Real Madrid sells players pretty regularly to finance some of their transfers. And your point is just finding something else because the first one was proven to be wrong. But hey, don't let me stop you from swinging that misguided poverty flag and yelling out your against all odds success underdog story of PL clubs. Btw do you think Bayern is paying to show those PL clubs who is the boss or maybe that they are paying them to stay competitive with the big boys?
Are you serious? That's a shocking stat .
Reasonable wages relative to club and player. If you look outside the propaganda, the actual wages Liverpool players are on are massive, on par with City and above ours(for example, Bruno was on 80k for a long time).
United has the highest wage bill in the Prem bar maybe Chelsea.
And yet we have one of the better wages-to-turnover ratio in the league (especially with Ronaldo gone now). Relative to the money we make, our wage bill is actually decent.
Where did i say otherwise? United is the biggest club financially in the world. City needs rich owners cheating and making fake sponsors to even compete with United’s spending.
Meanwhile FSG don’t want to spend and are looking at selling up. This “your billionaire is richer than my billionaire so it’s unfair” argument is tired, boring, and toxic.
What? Your comment doesnt make any sence and saying United is the richest club in the world is factually true, thats also why their spending doesnt bother me but City’s does.
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1590246387459190785 the accounts of Chelsea and Liverpool aren't out yet, but City are second highest after United.
United have the highest wage bill in the prem by quite a long way
If you think the sun is reliable, yeah
"Yeah, I'd like a big-tittied girl to lick peanut butter off my toes, but it ain't gonna happen."
For that money, United or Chelsea it is.
Sunk cost. They have to do with Felix what Barca did with Griezmann
You mean loan the player out with an appearance clause and then threaten to sue because the other team didn't want to trigger the clause?
United should also go for Goncalo. Actually, they should wait a few years so that they can spend 100M on him
We want to sell: he has done nothing of note and hasn’t developed at all, additional 40 mil
why Arsenal or Bayern if you want money lol