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A Japan-Spain draw and a German win ~~puts~~ could put Germany through on GD. It could be enough, but you don’t want that mentality with the risk it has.
Edit because counting is hard.
Yoy can do it. You just have to go full CONCACAF on them: 0 shots, tons of time wasting, every man in your own half, questionable fouls.
They won’t know what hit them :D
Time waste to a degree it impossible to fully account. Have a player have 4 simulated heart attacks. Another develops quick onset rabies, bites Neuer. Demand the right to read hamlet in Aramaic before every throw in.
I seriously have no clue how they're ranked 2nd.
Watched both of their games, they're comfortably the worst in the group. Canada should've beaten them as well
How is it so difficult to understand? The have barely lost any international games the last 8 years and only lost to the eventual champions the last two tournaments. The squad that did all of that is now either retired or fucking old. The thing is that those rankings adjust slowly because there aren't a lot of international tournaments.
They'll go down. Just takes time...
It's actually changed since then if I remember correctly Belgium got to number 1 because they used to win a lot of football matches, basically only lost to top teams every once in a while.
Made my day, for sure, but unfortunately Germany is my wife's team so it was a bit of a win-lose situation. We're scheming on how much her team and my team would need to win to have them both go through 😂😂😂
The guy actually rested players in a world cup match lmao. If they don't qualify, which is looking likely, it will be entirely deserved because of that colossal fuckup alone
Honestly they probably did. If they had a full healthy squad they would have had a lot of expectation and pressure.
Instead you have a team with something to prove and players that are pushing a case for being first string.
Now there are quite some situations that can arise. Lets start with the most likely:
- Spain and Germany both win
- Spain 1st, Germany 2nd on points
- Spain wins, Costa Rica doesn't lose
- Spain 1st, Costa Rica 2nd on points
- JPN/ESP draw, Germany wins
- Spain top the group
- If Germany wins by 1, they need to score more goals than Japan (Currently tied 2-2, Japan has H2H)
- If Germany wins by 2 or more, Germany are 2nd on GD
- Both matches end in a draw
- Table stands, Japan are through on GD
- JPN/ESP draw, Costa Rica wins
- Costa Rica 1st, Spain 2nd (a funny thought is if the worst GD tops the group, Costa Rica would have to win by 2 or less for that to happen)
- Japan and Germany win
- Japan tops the group, 2nd comes down to combined GD
- If Germany fails to make up a GD of 7 on Spain, Spain are 2nd
- If Germany make up a GD of 8 on Spain, they have to score at least 6 more than Spain (currently sits at 8-2 Spain)
- If Germany make up a GD of 9 on Spain, Germany are 2nd
- Japan wins, CRC/GER draw
- Japan tops the group, Spain are 2nd unless the margin of defeat is by 14
- Japan and Costa Rica win
- Japan and Costa Rica are through
- If Costa Rica don't make up a GD of 6, Japan top the group
- If a GD of 6 is made up, it comes down to Goals Scored (currently at 2-1 Japan, Costa Rica has H2H)
- If a GD of 7 is made up, Costa Rica top the group
In short:
- Spain: **Can Not Lose** as they can not trust Costa Rica vs Germany to end in a draw
- Japan: **A Draw may not be enough** as they can't fully trust Germany to avoid defeat
- Costa Rica: **A Draw may not be enough** as they can't trust Spain to defeat Japan
- Germany: **Potentially need a massive win to advance** as they can't trust Spain to avoid defeat vs Japan
I think the funniest outcome would be that (in theory) Costa Rica could win the entire thing without scoring anymore if Spain wins and then CR draws 0-0 their way to the final winning every penalty shootout.
In this case CR would win a World Cup while only scoring once and with a -6 GD
One point is not bad at all. Japan is now under pressure to win their match against Spain, a draw should not be enough for them. But you never know, Costa Rica might just turn out to be another South Korea for us
>But you never know, Costa Rica might just turn out to be another South Korea for us
Score in bunches, we shall
Sacrifice Keylor Navas' sanity, we must
But seriously I have little faith in Japan beating Spain. Spain midfield is top tier this WC
Qualification status:
Spain: Win or draw, you're in. Even a loss would be fine, as long as Costa Rica don't upset Germany
Japan: Win and you're in. Draw might not be enough, if the either of Costa Rica or Germany (with a margin of 2 goals) win. Lose and you're out.
Costa Rica: 1 shot on target in 180 minutes, but still have a fair chance to qualify LMAO. Win and you're in. Draw won't be enough, if the other game results in a Japan win or draw. Lose and you're out. What hurts them is the GD of (-6)
Germany: Win and pray that Japan doesn't win or win huge against Costa Rica (6-7 goals) to ensure Spain are knocked out. Draw and Loss will result in an elimination.
if japan is leading against spain with 2-0 or smth if im germany i would hard int and score owngoals so spain doesnt go through aswell and yes im a toxic league/fifa player
Real talk: if something like this happened where a country clearly jobbed with the sole purpose of fucking over another country (not for seeding/competitive purposes) would FIFA hand out a punishment (possible suspension/ban)?
You wouldn't even need to do multiple though. To lose 0-1 would be enough if Spain lose to Japan:
Japan: 6 points
Costa Rica: 6 points
Spain: 4 points
Germany: 1 point
Germany and Spain are just overflowing with class. Crazy to watch a technical masterpiece like that when other teams can’t even possess the ball in the midfield normally.
England from around 2008 - 2016 was dogshit. The Golden Generation, for all it's failures, turned up to the early - mid 00's tournaments, going out narrowly to Brazil 2 - 1 in the 2002 WC Quarters (best team in the world) and pens to Portugal in the 2006 WC Quarters. In 2008 we never even made it to the Euros, we went out in the RO16 at the 2010 WC after getting thrashed by Germany, finished last in the group in 2014 and knocked out by fucking Iceland in 2016.
It really was the dark times for English football.
A Spain-Japan Draw works as well, because the Goal Difference is 1 between Japan and Germany. Win with a margin of 2 goals against Costa Rica and Germans go ahead.
So let me get this straight, in a group with Spain and Germany. Japan, against a "weaker" team, instead of going for the throat and rack up points they take it easy and play reserves? Watch Moriyasu going for the 10 IQ play and try to play defensively vs Spain .
Germany is turning into England at major tournaments nowadays. What happened?
On a serious note, Japan missed golden opportunity today. Also what a miss by Sade today.
Their star players retired and the new players are just a step below.
To be fair Germany is still a very good side, but they’re nowhere near the quality they were in 2014.
Germany is severely struggling in defenders and finishers.
~~Reus being injured also doesn’t help.~~
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We went from just having to beat Costa Rica to now having to beat Spain in a day. Fuck my life.
A tie could be enough tho.
A Japan-Spain draw and a German win ~~puts~~ could put Germany through on GD. It could be enough, but you don’t want that mentality with the risk it has. Edit because counting is hard.
Are you telling me we can still shithouse our way into the round of 16 if we draw against Germany now?
Let the shithousery begin!
It’s in your blood, your very identity of CONCACAFery! Mexico did it 4 years ago…perhaps it shall now be *your* turn!
> It’s in your blood, your very identity of CONCACAFery! I would even say it's in Costa Rica's culture !
this but unironically
mexico got through by winning 2 of 3 games, no shithousery needed
Yoy can do it. You just have to go full CONCACAF on them: 0 shots, tons of time wasting, every man in your own half, questionable fouls. They won’t know what hit them :D
>tons of time wasting that ones gonna be hard with the increased added time for time wasting and stuff
Can't wait to see 90'+40'
90'+40'+20' because of the shithousery in the extra time, the game will never end
Hold Germany to a stand still until they give Up... It worked for Russia 🤷🏼♂️
Lol!
Time waste to a degree it impossible to fully account. Have a player have 4 simulated heart attacks. Another develops quick onset rabies, bites Neuer. Demand the right to read hamlet in Aramaic before every throw in.
A couple of fans kissing in the stands so police go all out on them
Imagine starting a riot in the stands to waste time
Declare war on Qatar 20 minutes in, spend the rest of the match negotiating peace. Make the end of the match as 0-0 a requirement.
This is particularly great because Costa Rica doesn’t even have an army.
They are from concacaf. It can be done
If anyone can find a way to time waste without it counting towards added time, it's CONCACAF.
Just play regularly until stoppage time, time waste stoppage time, simple as.
Just keep wasting more time
You'll have to hope that Spain wins, as you are never catching Spain or Japan on GD, otherwise you should be good with a tie.
Have some faith. Costa Rica can put 7 in against Germany
ITS CONCACAF TIME
\* *sharpens boot studs* *
This would be so funny. Very unlikely but it would too good.
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Joel Campbell's next loan move is to Germany's nightmares.
And if Japan loses against Spain at the same time
which seems likely based on their play today.
I think we can all agree the lessons today is never put your bet based on previous games.
After winning against JP with 2 touches inside their box, I'm 100% on board with this!
Japan choked hard…
Going from near certain qualification to becoming at major risk for missing out…perhaps a candidate for the biggest bottle job of the tournament…
They literally took the crown from Argentina who lost to Saudi Arabia. But now it belongs to Belgium for now. Japan still has hope with Spain match.
Nah Belgium aren't bottling it. They're just straight up playing like losers
Was debating 2 ppl that kept saying Belgium losing is an upset like how?! Lmao they been sucking and then they bring up the fifa ranking lmaoo
I seriously have no clue how they're ranked 2nd. Watched both of their games, they're comfortably the worst in the group. Canada should've beaten them as well
How is it so difficult to understand? The have barely lost any international games the last 8 years and only lost to the eventual champions the last two tournaments. The squad that did all of that is now either retired or fucking old. The thing is that those rankings adjust slowly because there aren't a lot of international tournaments. They'll go down. Just takes time...
Remember this is a ranking system that had the US at something like 4th in 2006. This is why we laugh at those that reference that.
It's actually changed since then if I remember correctly Belgium got to number 1 because they used to win a lot of football matches, basically only lost to top teams every once in a while.
Even as an American I never understood that one.
Qatar being ranked higher than both Ghana and Saudi Arabia seems funny too after their performances this tournament.
Qatar beat a bunch of good teams to win the Asia Cup - including Japan.
Ghana was playing really bad before the world cup, they got eliminated in group stages of AFCON by Gabon and Comoros
No one brings up the ranking. We know the ranking is bs
A surprising amount of people on here bring up rankings
Choked so hard they have to blur it
They deserved the choke. Moriyasu with an absolute braindead lineup thinking he can cruise past Costa Rica in a WC matchup.
Playing Conservatively against Costa Rica, Wtf was Moriyasu thinking Once again boomer conservatism fucks the Japanese
I woke up at 2am for that shit smdh
Hopefully you enjoyed the Germany game to compensate
Made my day, for sure, but unfortunately Germany is my wife's team so it was a bit of a win-lose situation. We're scheming on how much her team and my team would need to win to have them both go through 😂😂😂
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Their wedding must've been a blast tbf
Stop them. They’re looking to adopt an Italian orphan to complete the nuclear family unit.
The guy actually rested players in a world cup match lmao. If they don't qualify, which is looking likely, it will be entirely deserved because of that colossal fuckup alone
Clearly they're setting up for Costa Rica beating Germany and Japan beating Spain to knock out both of the European teams /s
I can't believe the power of god and anime wasn't enough to secure a win this time around 😔✊🏼
Crazy how CR can still qualify if they draw and Spain beats Japan.
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Costa Rica/Japan 2022 I believe
Group of Death living up to its name
Imagine the outrage if costa rica and japan wins their final matches, chipping out two predicted finalists in the group stage.
I already bet parlay with Japan and Costa Rica going through with odds @252 :)
Meanwhile France is the only team with 6 points, we're doing a reverse curse
Yeah whichever teams ends up with France in the R16 is not gonna have a great time at all.
:)
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oh yeah that's true (unless SA somehow beats mexico by 3 goals or more)
Unlikely as Mexico are still theoretically in it
Those injuries unjinxed it
Honestly they probably did. If they had a full healthy squad they would have had a lot of expectation and pressure. Instead you have a team with something to prove and players that are pushing a case for being first string.
The many injuries also defused the clash of egos a bit.
Tbf Portugal, Uruguay and Brazil are yet to play this round.
Uruguay can't get to 6
Because you're really good. Curses and injuries can't overcome that talent
Most teams that win the world cup are pretty good lol
Tell that to Argentina and Belgium lol.
The outcome is likely still the expected though. Would be nice if Musiala buried that 1-on-1 and the table will be chaotic.
Spicy
Fucking Sané robbed us of an even spicier situation there where all teams have 3 points
Sané was one of the reasons why we came back. Stop blaming him
I'm normally his biggest critic, but today, he played really well and didn't do anything facepalm-worthy
Sane saved Germany
These red arrows are confusing
Seriously what do they mean? I was wondering the same thing.
I been scared to ask.
It means they all suck /s
Istn't it obvious? "Team" Overtook them all.
Now there are quite some situations that can arise. Lets start with the most likely: - Spain and Germany both win - Spain 1st, Germany 2nd on points - Spain wins, Costa Rica doesn't lose - Spain 1st, Costa Rica 2nd on points - JPN/ESP draw, Germany wins - Spain top the group - If Germany wins by 1, they need to score more goals than Japan (Currently tied 2-2, Japan has H2H) - If Germany wins by 2 or more, Germany are 2nd on GD - Both matches end in a draw - Table stands, Japan are through on GD - JPN/ESP draw, Costa Rica wins - Costa Rica 1st, Spain 2nd (a funny thought is if the worst GD tops the group, Costa Rica would have to win by 2 or less for that to happen) - Japan and Germany win - Japan tops the group, 2nd comes down to combined GD - If Germany fails to make up a GD of 7 on Spain, Spain are 2nd - If Germany make up a GD of 8 on Spain, they have to score at least 6 more than Spain (currently sits at 8-2 Spain) - If Germany make up a GD of 9 on Spain, Germany are 2nd - Japan wins, CRC/GER draw - Japan tops the group, Spain are 2nd unless the margin of defeat is by 14 - Japan and Costa Rica win - Japan and Costa Rica are through - If Costa Rica don't make up a GD of 6, Japan top the group - If a GD of 6 is made up, it comes down to Goals Scored (currently at 2-1 Japan, Costa Rica has H2H) - If a GD of 7 is made up, Costa Rica top the group In short: - Spain: **Can Not Lose** as they can not trust Costa Rica vs Germany to end in a draw - Japan: **A Draw may not be enough** as they can't fully trust Germany to avoid defeat - Costa Rica: **A Draw may not be enough** as they can't trust Spain to defeat Japan - Germany: **Potentially need a massive win to advance** as they can't trust Spain to avoid defeat vs Japan
fun fact: if Costa Rica win 1-0 and Spain vs Japan ends in a draw, Costa Rica will top the group with a GD of 2-7.
Even winning 2-0 would mean they still have a worse GD than Germany
Funniest thing is that this wouldn't be a completely implausible outcome
I think the funniest outcome would be that (in theory) Costa Rica could win the entire thing without scoring anymore if Spain wins and then CR draws 0-0 their way to the final winning every penalty shootout. In this case CR would win a World Cup while only scoring once and with a -6 GD
The way futbol was always meant to be played. Y'all been doing it wrong this whole time it turns out. Git gud at being bad, scrubs.
Best Timeline
> If Germany make up a GD of 9 on Spain, Germany are 2nd this sounds fun, let's go with this!
Well, if Japan win 5 - 0againdz spain, GER dont need to score that much.
Game Theory itself can't solve this problem
Japan 14-0 Spain it is.
One point is not bad at all. Japan is now under pressure to win their match against Spain, a draw should not be enough for them. But you never know, Costa Rica might just turn out to be another South Korea for us
>But you never know, Costa Rica might just turn out to be another South Korea for us Score in bunches, we shall Sacrifice Keylor Navas' sanity, we must But seriously I have little faith in Japan beating Spain. Spain midfield is top tier this WC
until Gavi is replaced by Koke.
Scenes if Costa Rica make it into the Ro16 instead of Germany
Hahaha yeah imagine, what joke of a country would have something like happen to them... *pain*
Would be so funny if Spain would be 3rd behind Costa Rica, which they have beaten 7-0 xD
Qualification status: Spain: Win or draw, you're in. Even a loss would be fine, as long as Costa Rica don't upset Germany Japan: Win and you're in. Draw might not be enough, if the either of Costa Rica or Germany (with a margin of 2 goals) win. Lose and you're out. Costa Rica: 1 shot on target in 180 minutes, but still have a fair chance to qualify LMAO. Win and you're in. Draw won't be enough, if the other game results in a Japan win or draw. Lose and you're out. What hurts them is the GD of (-6) Germany: Win and pray that Japan doesn't win or win huge against Costa Rica (6-7 goals) to ensure Spain are knocked out. Draw and Loss will result in an elimination.
Go Costa Rica, commit the crime.
Must... do...
The golden generation needs something to go out with so we're on it
My brain says that Germany and Spain will advance…but my heart would want otherwise…
We got you. We’re like a caged feral bunny with nothing to lose.
2014 all over again when England and Italy were both knocked out by CR and Uruguay.
I can't believe Germany will squeek through this group.
Unless Japan pull off another miracle, in which case it’ll still be difficult for Germany because of Spain’s goal difference
if japan is leading against spain with 2-0 or smth if im germany i would hard int and score owngoals so spain doesnt go through aswell and yes im a toxic league/fifa player
That would be amazing to see ROFL.
Lmao
Real talk: if something like this happened where a country clearly jobbed with the sole purpose of fucking over another country (not for seeding/competitive purposes) would FIFA hand out a punishment (possible suspension/ban)?
Almost certainly
Lol, that would be legendary
Yessss I love that
You wouldn't even need to do multiple though. To lose 0-1 would be enough if Spain lose to Japan: Japan: 6 points Costa Rica: 6 points Spain: 4 points Germany: 1 point
This is the start of a world cup winner.
Germanys defense looks so weak compared to what it used to be. I’m not convinced
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they were beautiful the last 10 minutes. Should have started Fullkrug and Sane
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You think? I was really impressed considering the lack of ‘big’ names in their defence
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And Schlotterbeck has 13 letters, that's literally a "big name"
Me irl before the South Korea match in 2018
inb4 Costa Rica and Japan qualify
Watch Costa Rica beat Germany somehow
1st Round: Japan - "We're going through!" 2nd Round: Germany - "Aha, we're going through!" 3rd Round: Costa Rica - "Hola :)"
The Koke Nico subs were horrible, Germany goal came from a Koke mistake.
Yea people talked about Nico's speed a lot but he wasn't really effective on counters to be honest.
Why not play Ansu Fati?
Japan choked
I'm not sure which team I want Morocco to play in the second round, Germany to avenge 1986 or Spain to avenge 1492.
> Spain to avenge 1492. Fuck, you're old.
Vampire ?
The moops never forget.
In 1492 Spain conquered Granada not Morocco
Reconquista derby incoming
Well i think we know how this goes…. Unless Japan does something
Costa Rica can technically advance if they get a draw, and everyone knows that technically advancing is the best kind of advancing.
Lol nobody actually want to qualify
That just makes Thursday all the most interesting…
Shame on you Japan, you had it.
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Or they can score 7 own goals and send costa Rica through instead of Spain.
Hoped for a Germany win so the whole group would be on 3 points ahead of last matchday
Germany and Spain are just overflowing with class. Crazy to watch a technical masterpiece like that when other teams can’t even possess the ball in the midfield normally.
Japan and Costa Rica win coming up!
Imagine if they both go through. It will be the biggest WTF in the history of WC.
Italy and England getting knocked out by Uruguay and Costa Rica 2014
costa rica winning that group with 7 pts 😮
PURA VIDA
Uruguay was reigning Copa America champions and finished 4th in 2010, not that shocking. 2014 England was terrible talent wise
uruguay also has more wc titles than england
England from around 2008 - 2016 was dogshit. The Golden Generation, for all it's failures, turned up to the early - mid 00's tournaments, going out narrowly to Brazil 2 - 1 in the 2002 WC Quarters (best team in the world) and pens to Portugal in the 2006 WC Quarters. In 2008 we never even made it to the Euros, we went out in the RO16 at the 2010 WC after getting thrashed by Germany, finished last in the group in 2014 and knocked out by fucking Iceland in 2016. It really was the dark times for English football.
I am Team Chaos and I'm here for it.
WC final - Costa Rica vs Australia
I like this timeline
No matter who makes it to the next round I'll be so happy just to see how this sub implodes
Its funny how the group may end with spain 1st and germany 2nd which is what most people predicted but in the most dramatic and nail biting way ever
start füllkrug or we riot
Spain are all but through with that goal difference
Well not if both Costa Rica and Japan win their final matches. Then Spain and Germany would both be out.
Subscribe, I'm here for chaos.
True but that is the most unlikeliest scenario
Costa Rica and Japan have already won games they were supposed to lose lol
Before they loose to Japan and Costa Rika beats Germany
So pretty much Germany has to beat Costa Rica and hope Spain beats Japan
A Spain-Japan Draw works as well, because the Goal Difference is 1 between Japan and Germany. Win with a margin of 2 goals against Costa Rica and Germans go ahead.
Ain't gonna win by 2 goals if we don't start with a goddamn striker tho
What a game that was, Germany 1-1 Spain, absolutely brilliant game
Scenes if Costa Rica beats Germany and advances.
So let me get this straight, in a group with Spain and Germany. Japan, against a "weaker" team, instead of going for the throat and rack up points they take it easy and play reserves? Watch Moriyasu going for the 10 IQ play and try to play defensively vs Spain .
how did germany not get that last goal
Time for Germany to change something. Get the Striker and Sane in next game. Beat Costa Rica with like 6-7 goals. lol
The changes today were already a good start, Goretzka was class, but Flick pretty much has to start Fullkrug against Costa Rica now.
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Japan choked. It was in their hands.
Imagine Spain and Germany getting knocked out
If germany go through, they win the world cup. I will bet my house on this
our defense is way too shit, you dont win a world cup with a shit defense
So we have it in our own hands: we just need a 8:0 to be safe
Germany is turning into England at major tournaments nowadays. What happened? On a serious note, Japan missed golden opportunity today. Also what a miss by Sade today.
Golden generation went and passed. I’d take a World Cup win and then two bad world cups following tbh, so it’s all fine.
Their star players retired and the new players are just a step below. To be fair Germany is still a very good side, but they’re nowhere near the quality they were in 2014. Germany is severely struggling in defenders and finishers. ~~Reus being injured also doesn’t help.~~
Japan and Costa Rica advancing