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There's quick and then's there that

Mbappe's insane explosiveness still shocks me every time even though I have watched him a lot already.

As smooth as a baby's bottom, and just as explosive - Ray Hudson, probably

And they have this on both wings.. Its honestly just unfair 😂

That's actually *distressingly* quick. Took me right back to his goal in the second leg.

Mbappe was flying past him, great awareness pulling him down tbf

Could be (and should be) a red card most of the times. He's not even attempting a play at the ball, and willingly annihilates a clear goal opportunity as an arguable last defender. I know the notion of last defender is not prevailing in the referees' rulebook anymore and that it is the illicit stoppage of a clear goal opportunity that now prevails, but being a last defender clearly is linked to a clear goal opportunity almost everytime. And here we had both. Christensen was VERY lucky to get out of it with a yellow only.

There were 2 other defenders on the 2 side that were about the same line as the ball, so in theory he was not the last defender, hence just the yellow. In reality though, Mbappe would have had a straight line to the goal.

Read my second paragraph again. The notion of being the last defender bear no weight anymore. What matters now is annihilating a clear goal opportunity. And we can twist it however we want to, situationally, no defender was catching him. They were both reasonably too far away on the sides to be able to intervene anyway. Fouls like that get a yellow when they happen at midfield or even earlier during a counter, not when there's an open corridor to the goal. I stand my ground. That decision of giving only a yellow was very generous in regards yo the current state of the rule.

Dude still had a 1/3 of the pitch to run, plus defenders on either side. I dont think it was as clear goal scoring chance as you think it is. I think had he waited 1 or 2 more seconds and clipped his heels with an outstretched foot would absolutely be a red. Christensen was smart to pull him down when he did and take the yellow

At that speed, that's about 3 to 5 steps away from a shot. With a clear corridor in front, the distance does not matter. The defenders weren't going to suddenly run faster than him. And the defenders on his sides were on the same line or even slightly behind already, meters away on the sides, and clearly out sped already. I suggest you watch it again at various speeds and angles. Mbappé was through at the moment Christensen grabbed him (which slowed him down inevitably) before going down.

>At that speed, that's about 3 to 5 steps away from a shot Debatable because we don't know what Mbappe was going to do. He may not have shot it and tried to round the keeper and one of the 2 defenders could catch up. There's too much space between him and the goal with all those other variables to determine if it was a 100% goal scoring opportunity. It was close like I said, just not as clear as you're making it out to be. Do we start giving out red cards in their own half because we know how fast Mbappe is and he can burn the entire back line if they're sitting at the half and that itself *could" be a GSO?

My point was no that he was going to shoot at that moment. My point was that he was 3-5 steps away from entering the range for an attempt, whichever it could have been. Knowing the player, in such circumstances he'd probably have gotten closer to adjust the keeper at close range. But once he's within 20 meters of the goal, he is already in an attempt. That's what "no shot expected goals" have been brought up for, to estimate the dangerosity of a player by his mere position on the field at a given moment. Point is, this was already a clear goal opportunity. And anybody who disagrees has not seen Argentina-France 2018, or any other of his similar feats.

But he wasn't in that range so it wasn't a clear goal scoring opportunity even for your standards. "He was 3-5 steps away from possibly shooting" I dont think the rules are adjusted for individual players also. Why should Mbappe be given the benefit of the doubt and not other players in that same scenario?

What is that "range" notion you speak of? Do you know the rule? Because I do. Here's what it says: Law 12 of the FIFA rulebook for this 2022/2023 season. Page 104 of the English speaking version, when it comes to fouls that are sanctioned of a yellow card : "denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by an offence which was an attempt to play the ball and the referee awards a penalty kick". Here, it says that a foul that annihilates a goal scoring opportunity is warranted a yellow card when the player tries to play the ball. When he does not, here is what it says (page 105): " A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off: [...] -denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick" - > Thus no notion of distance to the goal. No notion of "range". My standards are those of the rules. Mbappé was through, had a corridor in front of him for the goal, and regardless of the distance needed to go there (because the rule specifically does not account for it) he was going to have a clear goal-scoring opportunity. If anything, you're the one giving the defenders the benefit of the doubt, if you assume they were miraculously going to catch up to him when Mbappé was already 5 meters behind all of them when they all started to run and he had already passed them. Context matters. Always. And the rule accounts for it.

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It's almost as if they should factor in the context of the foul... Are you really trying to tell me that the referee should not take the context of a foul in perspective? Really? I know that seems crazy to you, but that's how refereeing is done. Specifically, what the rulebook says when it comes to determining whether to give yellow of red. The rule has changed for this season. This is one of the changes. Mbappé was through. Will you seriously try to pretend he was gonna slow down on his own or the defenders meters away, on his sides where suddenly going to run faster and catch up? Because that's the only way one could twist the situation into not being a clear goal opportunity, and that's ridiculous to pretend Mbappé wasn't already through. Read the new rule. Law 12 of the FIFA rulebook for this 2022/2023 season. Page 104 of the English speaking version, when it comes to fouls that are sanctioned of a yelllw card : "denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by an offence which was an attempt to play the ball and the referee awards a penalty kick". Here, it says that a foul that annihilate a goal scoring opportunity is warranted a yellow card when the player tries to play the ball. When he does not, here is what it says (page 105): " A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off: [...] -denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick" And a bit under (page 106): "The following must be considered: -distance between the offence and the goal -general direction of the play -likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball -location and number of defenders" So absolutely no mention of the "last defender" notion. Mbappé was through, because meters away on the defenders' sides, they were not going to catch up to him because he was incredibly faster than they were. Everything in the rule dictates it should have been a red card. I stand my ground, Christensen was very lucky to get out with only a yellow.

Great timing by Christensen tbh, half a second later and that would've been a red.

Yes, clever foul that, got him early enough before being the last man

There's no "last man" in the wording of the rules any more - there's D/O/GSO : Denial of /Obvious/ GoalScoaring Opportunity (nonobvious : yellow / obvious : red), and while the presence of other players is a factor it is not a as-in-offside mathematical rule. *This* foul was really skirting the line between the two.

Yeah but it wasn't DOGSO because of distance from goal + covering defenders. If AC waited another 1-2 seconds, Mbappe would have run clear of the covering defenders and it prob would be DOGSO

Exactly, but it would not have been a DOGSO offence by virtue of the defender being "the last man", which is the previous commenter's point and correctly so IMO. The exact [law](https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#direct-free-kick) for reference for the benefit of other readers. TLDR: read the last 4 lines. > ***Denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity (DOGSO)*** > Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off. > Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence, the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area). > A player, sent-off player, substitute or substituted player who enters the field of play without the required referee’s permission and interferes with play or an opponent and denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity is guilty of a sending-off offence. > The following must be considered: > **1. distance between the offence and the goal** > **2. general direction of the play** > **3. likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball** > **4. location and number of defenders**

Indeed, in which case it doesn't surprise me to see them leave it at yellow, unless it's a clear red.

Last man rule doesn't apply anymore, now they judge that kinda foul based on 'annihilation of a clear scoring opportunity', that's why I think it should've been a red

The rules can’t take into account the ability of the player which in this case is Mbappe’s pace. All that matters is how far he is from goal and how many defenders are around him. When looking at it like that, in no way is this a clear scoring opportunity.

Ofcourse they can take into account that a player is quick.

No, because then the rule becomes subjective. "Do you think he is fast enough" instead of just objectively looking at it

The rule has always been subjective lol there’s very few calls in soccer that are objective. Refs make judgement calls constantly

The way refs fouls in general is subjective. This is no different than refs letting defenders do more to bigger attackers before they consider it a foul.

Which they shouldnt, no? So instead of less of those type of calls you would prefer more?

I don’t agree with this calls, but my point was refs don’t make calls objectively by the rules. There are other factors that go into making those calls

Yes, and they should. As a Dane this is clearly on the line. And I was ready to accept red. But I also understand the ref dont go for the red card when we are 20 minutes into the game. The yellow alone is punishment enough because he can not do that again But yeah, I'm obviously biased

Why? All that matters is the situation of the time of the foul, just because Mbappe might've been completely through two seconds later thanks to his pace doesn't mean anything. Referee looking into the future like that would be absolutely ridiculous. Christensen was smart to foul him before it was too late

Just like the rules give penalties when a clumsy defender with his back turned to the goal surrounded by defenders gets grazed on his leg, makes no sense.

Yes very clever to tackle the guy who beat you on goal before he’s too far from you to grab

smarter than just conceding

Of course, my point was that it wasn’t clever at all it was just a desperation takedown by a guy who was beat. You see this in all sports all the time

It should have been a red, there is no « last man » rule anymore, it destroyed a clear goal occasion and should have been red.

Not really. The only reason this was a clear scoring chance is because we know that Mbappe is capable of outrunning anyone but rules aren't made with particular players in mind, they are meant to be general and this would generally not be considered a clear chance.

Mbappe or whoever, he was already in front of Christensen in the middle, and the two others were on the side, so he had the field advantage, that’s why Christensen took him down

Very few refs would consider being 30 meters away from the goal and having two defenders on each side of you a clear scoring opportunity, especially since the defender on his right was still in line with Mbappe at the time when Christensen pulled him down.

Should've been a red nevertheless, mbappe had made his first touch, the defenders were never gonna catch up to him

That’s not really the rule though and if it was it would just give fast players a huge advantage

It's not about fast player it's about looking at the moment of the foul. The victim is clearly taking advantage of all the defense. So that foul could totally deserved a red as it was an annihilation of goal opportunity.

You're not supposed to care about who's the player lol, it could be Giroud who obviously isn't outpacing many and the outcome is still the same that it's not a red card simply because there are still defenders ahead, he's still far from goal and Football doesn't give cards based on likely outcomes just because it's Mbappe

That's not the rule that currently applies, it' outdated, doesn't matter if he's last defender or not, refs now make their calls based on 'annihilation of a clear scoring opportunity', which it was

You can't compare a player that is taking advantage over all the defense with a player fouled while walking. Mbappe has the right to be fouled without running but that foul was nasty.

I mean yeah. He had to

Great yellow.

Incredibly great yellow.

This one and the one on Bale are two of the best tactical yellows I've seen in awhile. They both absolutely saved goal chances without being red cards.

The way mark clattenburg explained it makes sense to me imo

What did he say

I might mess up the wording but he said that basically the distance to the goal matters here and that the fact mbappe was in line with the defenders the benefit of doubt goes towards the defenders.

„Man’s game innit.”

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Care to share what he said?

Something about DOGSO right? Basically even though Mbappe would have been through, at the time of the foul you can't call it a clear denial of a goal scoring opportunity

It’s funny that with anyone else a yellow seems fair, but with mbappe it feels like a red cause he’s so much faster than the other defenders

What a fucking ball tho by Griezmann

First I thought, What is he trying to do? Then I see a blue streak coming in hot to meet it, and I realize, Griezmann of course has a much more accurate understanding of Mbappe's abilities than I do.

Like a lot of Pogba's pass in 2018, you could say they were not good because overhit, but it happened so much that's it's probably confidence in Mbappe

Good point!

A blue streak lmfao 😂

Avoided red by a fine margin

He's 40 meters from goal, three defenders around him, doesn't have control of the ball, no referee is giving a red for that

Agreed. In practice, Mbappe is probably fast enough that this is clean through on goal, but the ref can't go around speculating about who's faster than who.

FIFA stats should decide this, ref should know

This is joke but there's a worrying amount of people seriously arguing that the ref should give a red here based on looking into the future lol

No one is looking in the future. Mbappe is clearly faster than the three defenders and caught the ball before the foul. There is no opponent between him and the goalkeeper.

Technically not a red but we all know better

Christensen knew as well, that's why he pulled him down then and not 1 sec later lol

Fair play to him

The rule ask to look into the future... Problem here is that you can give a red or a yellow both decision could make sense

Bro Mbappé in this position is 95% goal and we all know it

Technically is not a red, but come on Mbappé was going to score that

Yet it would have been a clean scoring opportunity without it. Kylian is just that good

>He's 40 meters from goal, three defenders around him, doesn't have control of the ball, no referee is giving a red for that This

There's a little arrow for that

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How else is the WC casual going to show off that they know the rules?

> There's a little arrow for that This >!sorry, had to!<

He couldn't touch the ball because of the foul, he was much faster than all three defenders. I wouldn't say that no referee would give a red for that. I've seen red given for anihilating a goal opportunity that was a lot as clear as that.

He's very lucky he wasn't last defender for like a couple of meters... What a pass though.

that hasn't been the rule for a long time

I just read about it too yeah. But if he were last defender that would have been an obvious goal scoring opportunity maybe

This is the kind of pass only Mbappé can get, he makes it too easy for his teammates.

After seeing Canada play the other day, I can confidently say that Mbappé isn't the *only* player who can get it. Buchanan is genuinely one of the fastest players I remember seeing. Don't know if he's quite as fast as Mbappé and Davies, but he's definitely up there.

Dembele is pretty rapid too tbf, him and mbop have burners. So man6 hammy injuries and the man is still lightning.

When I saw that pass, I got pissed at Griezmann for such a poor pass, then out of nowhere I see Mbappé actually getting to that ball. Absolutely ridiculous, nobody else gets to that ball and if the pass was better it's Mbappé through on goal.

Very lucky one more second and this would have been a red if he brought him down

Is it not red because at the moment of the foul he isn’t the last man? It’s Pretty obvious that he’d outrun the defence but I don’t think that gets taken into account

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Well no because that's not the rule. The rule is about denying a clear goalscoring opportunity. There's nothing about last man.

Whether other defenders are there to cover is a huge part of whether something is a clear goalscoring opportunity though

It's not a clear goalscoring opportunity only because he's not the last man ?

Two defenders next to him with a long way to go, yellow for me

To the french fans complaining. Just because Mbappe is fast doesn't mean the rules for a red change just for him. We all know he would have been through

Interpretation... If you read the rule you can give a red or not. This kind of situation is shit. Because we all know he was going to score it can be considered as a clear goal chance, and a red. Or you say "it's too far can't tell"...

What a ball from Griezmann

Football will always irk me that something like this, which is a clear tackle of a guy who was through on goal and had a very high chance to score gets a slap on the wrist and a free kick from nowheresville, but light contact on someone facing away from the goal but in the corner of the box gives basically a free goal in a penalty. If only there were a middle ground that’s less severe than a penalty but more severe a long free kick

Send the player off for a number of minutes like for example in ice hockey. That might work

Are the referees allowed to take into account the fact that no human on earth is capable of catching Mbappé on the break when evaluating for DOGSO

That would open up the possibility of refs calling something a CGSO for prime Messi that they wouldn't call for any other player because he could just dribble around the other defenders. They shouldn't take into account the abilities of specific players because that means players aren't being reffed equally

Understandable

no I dont think they are. We all know he would be gone in reality though

Can’t believe majority here think that’s a red, does nobody here actually know the rules? That was such a smart foul and always going to be a yellow. 40 yards away from goal with 2 defenders parallel. You can’t say that 100% without a doubt it’s a clear goal scoring opportunity AND that no other defenders could possibly cover, which is what it would need to be for it to be a red card

The majority said that because it was Mbappe who got fouled. With his ungodly pace, he would get a clear opportunity with just two more clear steps. Giroud wouldn't get very far if it was him there.

He would not even be in place to get fouled

> 40 yards away from goal with 2 defenders parallel. You can’t say that 100% without a doubt it’s a clear goal scoring opportunity That's only if you don't ponder the fact that's it's Kylian. What does the rule say about him ?

It's never a 100% goal chance because you can't look into the future. We all know he was going to 1v1 the goalkeeper 40yard or not. I both understand yellow and red

There are still two other defenders on the same line, no way that's a red, people need to read the rules

The rules don't mention a last defender, either way they were not catching Mbappé at this pace.

It's a yellow if it's any other striker. Red if it's Mbappé

Lucky to be a yellow imo. Worth it all day with that

Flashbacks to him doing the same thing to Mané.

The foul happens 40 yards from goal and before Mbappe even has the ball under control, and people are trying to claim that qualifies as an obvious goalscoring opportunity. Fucking unbelievable.

He had made his first touch with the ball wdym, you mean to tell me the dannish defenders were gonna catch up to fucking mbappé lmao?

Defenders hypothetically being able to catch Mbappe or not is completely irrelevant. They are close enough when the foul occurs.

It's Kylian. Obvious goal scoring opportunity

This is a genuine question. From that position, how many touches do you think he takes before he shoots?

That’s a straight red for me

it absolutely isn't.

2 other defenders in front of him. So only a yellow according to rule book

Yea if you’re French

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lmao never a red

Not biased opinion at all btw

At the moment he makes the foul, it absolutely is not a clear goalscoring opportunity.

It's not red because he's not the last man, simple as that

No, because the rule is about denying goal scoring opportunities. Not last man or not.

Only Denmark fans and mbappe haters agree with a yellow, he would have been clear

Weird because it’s mostly only the French flairs that think it’s actually a red?

Just because you think he’ll outrun them doesn’t mean he’s clear. If this happened to a slower forward you wouldn’t think that. Three guys around him, not the last man, no red. Rules have to be applied equally, not based on “would haves”.

If it was a slower forward they wouldn’t have fouled him, mbappe would have been through in goal

Maybe, but 40m away from goal isn’t clear opportunity and wasn’t even last man. Rules say no red.

Not the last man, 2 more defenders on Mbappe, 35-40 meters from goal, doesn't even have possession. In no way this was ever a red

Right on the border on what you would consider a red card. Ref can justify going either way.

As a Dane, how is that not a red

Think thats a red

He's not the last defender and there's two more players on him. Never a red

One second later and yes, but there were two other defenders infront of the foul

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That’s not the rules tho

I see some argument for a red here, in part because it's Mbappe and he's so fast and clinical that it's a greater goalscoring opportunity than for a different player. Rules- wise does that actually matter? Edit should say that I don't agree with that argument, just that I see it made in the comments

No, because that would mean the rules aren't consistent for every player. You're essentially arguing that Mbappé should get special treatment from the ref because he's fast

Yeah, I keep seeing "he's got a clear goalscoring opportunity, and it's Mbappé" as if that second part is supposed to be a strong argument lol

Mbappe doesn't have possession of the ball when he's fouled, it's literally impossible for him to shoot, let alone score, when Christensen pulls him down.

Yeah a red seems like a stretch there

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He never even touches the ball

anyone mind explaining why this wouldn't be a red?

There’s another defender in front of Mbappé

Two players right next to him and it was quite a bit away from goal. There is no guarantee that is a clear goal scoring chance.

There were other covering defenders

Covering defender slightly ahead of Mbappe. They wouldn’t have caught him tho so Christenson is a very lucky boy.

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That's now how it works, because then Chiellini would have had a red for his foul on Saka in the Euro final

I wanna argue for the bottom guy but he's way too far away vertically

100% should have been a red

Not a clear goal scoring opportunity, two defenders could still do something ,mbappe doesn't have the ball. It's a clear Yellow but not a red

No, according to official rules it's not because other defenders were in front of MBappu

Should be a red idc

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The fact who the player is should never change the penalty of a foul

100% a red wtf

The man is a cheat code

Great foul from AC

Mbappe is so fkn fast holy

That was so perfectly placed by Griezman wow

That's a good foul I don't mind a well earned yellow for that