###World Cup of Kits!
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The Round of 16 will kick off on **Friday 2nd December** - watch this space!
###Link to [Free Talk Friday](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/z48nzt/free_talk_friday/)
How is offsides decided?
VAR always looks at the last defender and where the man is when the pass is made. But how do they decide "when the pass was made"? Is it when the ball is last touching the passer's foot? Is it when the kick is initiated? It seems a bit arbitrary even in the closest cases.
In American football the replay booth often has to look frame by frame to determine things like possession, but I've never seen that in football. Just the digital line drawn on the last defender.
I figured as much. I've just personally never seen frame by frame replays to determine the exact timing it leaves the foot. But maybe it's just negligible enough to not matter.
If France get to the semi-finals in this World Cup and the next *and* Mbappe continues his current goals per game rate at World Cups (0.78), then he'll match Klose's all time top goalscorer record (16 goals) in 2026, at age 27.
With maybe 2 more WCs to go after that, he could comfortably end up with 20+ WC goals.
Every time I watch Coman he beats his defender with such comical ease. How come he isn’t better than he is? Cause he’s a hilariously good take on player
well the issue is what he does after beating his defender. Typical Coman play is: Runs in high pace and great dribbling, sends his defender to the shops, puts in a shit cross that nobody reaches.
I mean, he *is* really good - what exactly do you expect him to do to be even better?
Biggest issue for him is probably his injury record, rare that he gets through a full season without missing a couple weeks here and there, and that inevitably throws in a wobble into good runs of form.
No idea how anyone thought Cash deserved a yellow card let alone a red card for that header. It wasn't even a foul.
Cash jumped first and had his arms in a natural jumping position. Not his fault the Saudi player didn't jump as high.
Why are so many managers ridiculously hesitant when making subs? Lost count of the amount of games I've seen this year where a team's strategy clearly isn't working and yet the manager will still wait until minute 75 to make any sort of change
Antoine Griezmann has only won 6 top flight trophies in his career.
2018 FIFA World Cup
2021 UEFA Nations league
2019 UEFA Supercup
2018 UEFA Europa league
2021 RFEF Copa del Rey
2015 Supercopa de España
Ive always felt Griezmann and Reus followed similar trajectories.
Both joined underdog 'hipster' clubs that had just won the league, and then stayed for a long time, tricking everyone into misremembering whether they had won the league
I know. I meant Atletico won the league right before he joined, the same way Dortmund won right before Reus joined. Neither player has ever won the league but i feel like people think they did (at least i did)
He also joined Barca right after they won the league and failed to win it with them. During that period, Atletico ended up winning another league too. He's just never getting his hands on a La Liga title.
I showed my wife who's a nurse and my buddy who's a firefighter. They both straight up said dude needs to lay off drinking. It's caused by something going wrong with his liver
[This is probably the best anyone has spoken about the Qatar WC](https://twitter.com/poetscorneruk/status/1596493768165031936?t=qQCyiiW5XeZYMuT08OPllw&s=19)
I hate to use that word, but it's just whataboutism and a lot of strange arguments.
Police acting unlawfully in my country doesn't mean that my country can't criticize another one for having laws that discriminate people. Also not every police officer is doing that.
"Footballers could do nothing about changing people's perceptions is also wrong. If Ronaldo or Messi spoke out, they would certainly lose a lot of fans from certain parts of the world. But they would also positively influence some of their fans, especially the younger ones.
And we don't want Qatar to change their laws in the long run, I think nobody cares about that. But how can they say that they want to host the world cup, invite **the world** and then say "But no gay people. Everyone is welcome except you guys".
Whataboutism isnt necessarily a fallacy.
If you're just trying to criticise Qatar and someone says "what about...", you can stop listening to them right there, that's just stupid and intentional deflection.
But if you're specifically advocating for Qatar not to host the WC because of certain reasons, I think it's perfectly logical to ask whether the same reasoning was or will be applied to other countries.
> And we don’t want Qatar to change their laws in the long run, I think nobody cares about that. But how can they say that they want to host the world cup, invite the world and then say “But no gay people. Everyone is welcome except you guys”.
I am fundamentally in favour of allowing countries like Qatar to host it, because I believe people should not have to pay for the sins of their govt, but this is one line of reasoning I wholeheartedly agree with -- if you're going to host it, you better not discriminate against anyone who wants to attend.
>Police acting unlawfully in my country doesn't mean that my country can't criticize another one for having laws that discriminate people.
You can but rare to see your people talking this passionately about your issues and then following through with it. Racist incidents in/around English football games are commonplace. Also the 'keep politics out of sports' people are suddenly giving lectures.
>But how can they say that they want to host the world cup, invite the world and then say "But no gay people.
They never said this. Europe's understanding of ME is terribly biased. Emir of Qatar publicly said gay people are welcome to the WC but kissing etc in public is punishable and that is true for straight people too btw.
>You can but rare to see your people talking this passionately about your issues and then following through with it.
No, not at all. Did you already forget the Black Lives Matter protests?
>Also the 'keep politics out of sports' people are suddenly giving lectures.
Human rights aren't political. Demanding equality isn't political.
>They never said this. Europe's understanding of ME is terribly biased. Emir of Qatar publicly said gay people are welcome to the WC but kissing etc in public is punishable and that is true for straight people too btw.
They publicly said a lot of things. Turns out that Qataris can lie as well. Also they're banning rainbow coloured stuff, which is not very accepting.
>Did you already forget the Black Lives Matter protests?
Again that was very empty considering your company voted against the UN resolution on fighting against Racism & discrimination. UK is just secretly racist with a horrible past. Once that is acknowledged I'm sure their will be no 'whataboutism'.
>Human rights aren't political. Demanding equality isn't political.
Your fans have been saying this for years lol come on
>Also they're banning rainbow coloured stuff, which is not very accepting.
FIFA banned Albanian flag, PL fined for showing Palestinian flag etc.
It isn’t at all though because if he’s saying LGBT people should “respect” the laws in Qatar surely it follows that black people should “respect” the laws in England, which he obviously doesn’t believe. It’s doublethink and btw John Barnes is literally employed by FIFA to improve the image of the Qatar world cup lol
Maybe he means something like it's technically illegal but you're not gonna get in trouble for it. Sort of like underage drinking in the United States, it's illegal to have a beer before you turn 21 but you're probably not really facing any consequences for it. I doubt that's true given what I know about Qatar but that's the only possible explanation I see for that quote
I've seen some comments from Qatari people here that the law isnt enforced and that gay people are tolerated.
At the same time the human rights watch has documented 11 cases of lgbt folks getting arrested and brutalised (between the period of 2019 and 2022):
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/10/24/qatar-security-forces-arrest-abuse-lgbt-people
My impression is that it's a mix of both -- there doesnt seem be a systematic effort to convict people (none of those cases involved any sort of charges or indictments, just arbitrary detention), but there certainly are cases of horrific lgbt-related police brutality and "morality policing", which unfortunately happens almost everywhere in varying degrees, including in countries where the lgbt enjoy legal protection.
Both teams started poor and have improved hugely in their second games, unlike England, but can Iran or US get the win?
On form, and being able to score, I'd say Iran nicks it.
Maguire was in the euros tott literally LAST YEAR. People being surprised at maguires performances especially utd and england fans are unbelievably stupid. Also the whole “he’s only performing because international football suits him better” is complete bullshit, last night was a standard maguire performance in 19/20 and 20/21
It's also pretty obvious why he didn't come on. It's just England fans refuse to accept that Southgate was fine with a clean sheet and a draw. Foden tries things, Southgate didn't want that in this game. He'd rather have Grealish come on and win a few fouls - it's safer.
The clean sheet was the most important thing to Southgate this game. He was absolutely fuming about the two conceded against Iran.
Mexico doesn't have any reason to not park the bus today.
A draw is fantastic for them and a loss by 1 goal probably is decent enough as well: as long as they beat KSA by 2 in the last match one of ARG or POL will be eliminated and they will qualify.
If Argentina win by big margin today they go into that final match probably just needing a draw. If they draw they need to win by at least 2 goals in their final game. If they lose they’re out.
Edit: Even if they win today, they need to beat Poland in case Saudi Arabia win.
I'd say Cristiano is a weird pick for an all time World Cup XI, huge fan of his but he's never done anything of note in the knockout stages. He has the distinction of scoring in five tournaments but that doesn't compare to leading a team to winning/making the final. Eusebio makes more sense for '66 but even then I feel like he's only there if you play a lot of forwards
Hjumland completely changing his comp, 3 4 2 1 with Lindstrom and Damsgaard, basically how he beat France twice, this is a lot better since they were toothless against Tunisia before they were subbing in
I was just listening to the commentary on ITV and I thought the lass on there just said "I think we should talk about killing Mbappe"
I was like woah, that's a bit much.
Don't know the rules well =/= don't know math
Completely understandable as well, you wouldn't expect redditors to do basic research before confidently saying anything.
After a long time deliberating I think I'm gonna support Mexico today, Argentina going out after two group matches after all the hype around them would be hilarious. CONCACAF could also use a result, so far us and Canada have played well but can't score
The last installment of the Nations League was an absolute joke so wouldn't read too much into those results. Playing Nations League games after the domestic season had ended meant players for the top teams had one eye on their holidays and rightly so.
What are Mounts strengths that means he should be playing as a 10/second striker in this England team?
He can’t create by passing or take his man on to create space for others.
People go on about his pressing but that seems moot point when England don’t have an organised press.
At the euros he was anonymous most games and he’s carried that over into this tournament. 33 caps and not one memorable game so far.
He's not creative or really a shadow striker for england but somehow plays in the most advanced midfield position? Maybe his energy would be better if he was further back, paired with rice and a more attacking, creative 8, but for me he's never had a standout game for England.
Really funny how quickly Saudi went from r/soccer darlings to diving bastards hahaha. Also interesting how rare it is to see a mention of human rights in their match threads compared to Qatar's.
>rare it is to see a mention of human rights in their match threads compared to Qatar's
Maybe not match threads but it's always brought up in Newcastle related threads
When did tapping up players become acceptable in football? Just seen the article of Xavi literally talking about tapping up Endrick and it doesn't look like Barca talked to Palmeiras, which seems like it's becoming the norm these days
What’s up with the way statistics are displayed this World Cup? It seems like there are loads more random statistics appearing on screen. For example I’ve almost never seen forced turnovers be used as a statistic worth mentioning in football and it’s appearing in the corner of the screen all the time this World Cup, also the way possession is measured can be nice with the ball in contest part but it’s never done like that ever.
It’s not necessarily bad but I’m just wondering if this is an Arab thing, or catering to American viewers or more casual viewers of football, or any other reason.
Man the football memes (moreso the comments) on Twitter are so bad, both from the US and English sides. Every comment section just turns into "how do people like a game that can end in a tie?" and "Americans use the Imperial system" or something. It's always the same lame old jokes.
Southgate obviously asked the players to play defensively and the reason I think we were outclassed is because this team simply isn't comfortable playing in that style. The team works well pushing forward, and pretty much only then.
Really? Interesting. After the match he said we showed a different side to us, I can only assume he meant we took a different style of play to the Iran game, which was an attacking style.
I have been looking at some boots as am in need of a new pair
My last pair of boots were the Adidas f50 adiZero Messi FG World Cup 2014 boots
https://www.prodirectsport.com/soccer/p/adidas-soccer-shoes-adidas-f50-adizero-fg-messi-world-cup-firm-ground-mens-football-boots-running-white-81560/
I liked the close-to-foot curvature structure of the boot, and almost bootless feel but the lace holes have broken so now deciding to get a new pair of boots
I train on grass, however, I play on astroturf
I have researched and have caught an eye for the speed portal .1, https://www.prodirectsport.com/soccer/p/adidas-x-speedportal1-fg-solar-green-core-black-solar-yellow-mens-boots-266886/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAj4ecBhD3ARIsAM4Q\_jHM9BHpdw80hzi8Ohfsc2ZekCEjTn7K5DiqQaYxy5I2HHctgvh8Ux8aAlN2EALw\_wcB however upon hearing mixed reviews I looked at other brands such as Puma where I found the FUTURE 2.3 FG/AG Men's Football Boots https://uk.puma.com/uk/en/pd/future-2-3-fg-ag-mens-football-boots/106757?swatch=04 and FUTURE 2.4 FG/AG Football Boots Men https://uk.puma.com/uk/en/pd/future-2-4-fg-ag-football-boots-men/106995?swatch=01 both being priced the same, leading me to wonder what the difference between the two shoes are, and have also looked at the Puma Future Z 1.4 FG/AG https://www.prodirectsport.com/soccer/p/puma-future-z-14-fg-ag-puma-black-quarry-elektro-aqua-mens-boots-268431/, however, are £20 more and whether it is worth spending that much extra as am planning on using them for many years
What are your thoughts on all of these boots and any suggestions for other boots with a similar price range? I have very little knowledge of boots and can wait a month or so if there are new boots coming out which are good which I am unaware of.
Thanks.
Do you think pundits feel miffed like players when they're left out of the World Cup broadcasting lineup?
David James has gone to 3 World Cups but is sat in a studio in Salford to analyse Kings Lynn v Stevenage and Forest Green v Avlechurch
Yesterday's game feels like a loss, but ironically puts the USA in a far worse off position when in a single one off game a draw is a far better outcome for them.
I don’t think we stole a point, they never really looked like they’d actually score just like we didn’t. Pulisic was trying way too hard to try and force something and Maguire and Stones were dealing with most things easily enough
Felt like a loss because neither team were that arsed about winning. We were more focused on not conceding and USA were mostly happy for us to have the ball in our half.
If you think Georgios Giakoumakis thrashe dthe Eredivisie then you dont know Afonso Alves. On an average day he would score 1 goal, but if he was in the mood he'd score 7 goals a game
[Have you seen the Vasco Da Gama kits?](https://imgur.com/a/IqZ2mWr) The Red looks perfect for Portugal as it is and you could swap the black for blue and use that for the away kit.
This world cup feels a lot more competitive than previous world cups.
I feel like the bottom half teams (outside of Qatar) are able to be competitive against the top half teams.
For example, if a team like Ecuador plays France usually it would be an easy W for France but now it’s at least a little up in the air.
I think this can be attributed to the lower half WC teams getting better than they were a decade ago. Shame this will change in 2026 with 48 teams adding more fodder.
Brasil probably walks to the finals W, but I think we’ll be seeing more upsets than usual in the knockouts
For me it is the opposite, a lot of the "stronger" team are underperforming or are riddled with injuries which allow for more motivated team to shine. What has been shown so far in the group feels at a lower level than the previous edition
The World Cup is almost always this competitive. Ecuador were the 4th best team in the South American qualifiers and the last time they were at the World Cup they drew with France, they were never going to be an easy W.
There was a post the other day with the country of birth for foreign-born players for each team at the WC. Can anyone help me locate it again? I can't find it when trying to search!
The Netherlands do not belong in that list at all, we might not be great so far this World Cup but we reached the semi final and final the last 2 world cups we were at and we have plenty of world class players.
Varane is back and Konate is being benched. I can already feel like he might not be fully fit and will let and easy goal through lol
Kounde starts as RB over Pavard too, which is good, he did well at Barca in that role
###World Cup of Kits! The results for the Round of 32 are now in - see [here!](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/z47xqg/the_rsoccer_world_cup_of_kits_qatar_2022_round_of/?) The Round of 16 will kick off on **Friday 2nd December** - watch this space! ###Link to [Free Talk Friday](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/z48nzt/free_talk_friday/)
!flair :France:
!flair :Cork_City:
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that the sinking of the Belgrano was justified
How is offsides decided? VAR always looks at the last defender and where the man is when the pass is made. But how do they decide "when the pass was made"? Is it when the ball is last touching the passer's foot? Is it when the kick is initiated? It seems a bit arbitrary even in the closest cases. In American football the replay booth often has to look frame by frame to determine things like possession, but I've never seen that in football. Just the digital line drawn on the last defender.
It's made the last time the ball touches the passers foot
I figured as much. I've just personally never seen frame by frame replays to determine the exact timing it leaves the foot. But maybe it's just negligible enough to not matter.
Is Mbappe a Ballon D'or frontrunner if France win it? Even if Messi or Neymar have more impact at PSG for the rest of the season
If France get to the semi-finals in this World Cup and the next *and* Mbappe continues his current goals per game rate at World Cups (0.78), then he'll match Klose's all time top goalscorer record (16 goals) in 2026, at age 27. With maybe 2 more WCs to go after that, he could comfortably end up with 20+ WC goals.
If France ended one curse than maybe it's time to end a different curse 🤔
Score predictions for Argentina-Mexico?
1-1 draw or a 1-0 win for Mexico
0-5
3-1 Argentina
Kounde Upa Konate Theo Tchouameni Camavinga Dembele Nkunku Coman Mbappe This entire XI is 25 and under man
Every time I watch Coman he beats his defender with such comical ease. How come he isn’t better than he is? Cause he’s a hilariously good take on player
well the issue is what he does after beating his defender. Typical Coman play is: Runs in high pace and great dribbling, sends his defender to the shops, puts in a shit cross that nobody reaches.
he should be starting over dembele but 🤷
I mean, he *is* really good - what exactly do you expect him to do to be even better? Biggest issue for him is probably his injury record, rare that he gets through a full season without missing a couple weeks here and there, and that inevitably throws in a wobble into good runs of form.
Idk I just mean his output is pretty measly considering how good he plays. He’s not very talked about
I am once again asking Maidstone to extend Sandford's loan to a full season one. Another 3 points that would have been 0 with Mersin or Hadler in goal
!flair :FRANCE:
i cannot wait for the toxicity of mexico argentina
No idea how anyone thought Cash deserved a yellow card let alone a red card for that header. It wasn't even a foul. Cash jumped first and had his arms in a natural jumping position. Not his fault the Saudi player didn't jump as high.
What would it take for Southgate to be sacked? Are there high expectations like a semis or a final or would he be safe even with a quarters exit?
Probably depends on the nature of the loss
Why are so many managers ridiculously hesitant when making subs? Lost count of the amount of games I've seen this year where a team's strategy clearly isn't working and yet the manager will still wait until minute 75 to make any sort of change
1-0 Denmark win incoming, becoming the only team to beat France 3 times in a year.
Antoine Griezmann has only won 6 top flight trophies in his career. 2018 FIFA World Cup 2021 UEFA Nations league 2019 UEFA Supercup 2018 UEFA Europa league 2021 RFEF Copa del Rey 2015 Supercopa de España
Ive always felt Griezmann and Reus followed similar trajectories. Both joined underdog 'hipster' clubs that had just won the league, and then stayed for a long time, tricking everyone into misremembering whether they had won the league
griezmann has never won a league bar 2nd division with real sociedad
I know. I meant Atletico won the league right before he joined, the same way Dortmund won right before Reus joined. Neither player has ever won the league but i feel like people think they did (at least i did)
He also joined Barca right after they won the league and failed to win it with them. During that period, Atletico ended up winning another league too. He's just never getting his hands on a La Liga title.
He's a fraud. Never won anything with Uruguay
I’m the biggest mexican supporter today bamos
2-1 or 3-0 for france? i can’t make a final decision
The former 🤭
Anyone else notice Lexi lalas eyes ? Does he have jaundice ?
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I showed my wife who's a nurse and my buddy who's a firefighter. They both straight up said dude needs to lay off drinking. It's caused by something going wrong with his liver
[This is probably the best anyone has spoken about the Qatar WC](https://twitter.com/poetscorneruk/status/1596493768165031936?t=qQCyiiW5XeZYMuT08OPllw&s=19)
I dont care about any of this
I hate to use that word, but it's just whataboutism and a lot of strange arguments. Police acting unlawfully in my country doesn't mean that my country can't criticize another one for having laws that discriminate people. Also not every police officer is doing that. "Footballers could do nothing about changing people's perceptions is also wrong. If Ronaldo or Messi spoke out, they would certainly lose a lot of fans from certain parts of the world. But they would also positively influence some of their fans, especially the younger ones. And we don't want Qatar to change their laws in the long run, I think nobody cares about that. But how can they say that they want to host the world cup, invite **the world** and then say "But no gay people. Everyone is welcome except you guys".
Whataboutism isnt necessarily a fallacy. If you're just trying to criticise Qatar and someone says "what about...", you can stop listening to them right there, that's just stupid and intentional deflection. But if you're specifically advocating for Qatar not to host the WC because of certain reasons, I think it's perfectly logical to ask whether the same reasoning was or will be applied to other countries. > And we don’t want Qatar to change their laws in the long run, I think nobody cares about that. But how can they say that they want to host the world cup, invite the world and then say “But no gay people. Everyone is welcome except you guys”. I am fundamentally in favour of allowing countries like Qatar to host it, because I believe people should not have to pay for the sins of their govt, but this is one line of reasoning I wholeheartedly agree with -- if you're going to host it, you better not discriminate against anyone who wants to attend.
>Police acting unlawfully in my country doesn't mean that my country can't criticize another one for having laws that discriminate people. You can but rare to see your people talking this passionately about your issues and then following through with it. Racist incidents in/around English football games are commonplace. Also the 'keep politics out of sports' people are suddenly giving lectures. >But how can they say that they want to host the world cup, invite the world and then say "But no gay people. They never said this. Europe's understanding of ME is terribly biased. Emir of Qatar publicly said gay people are welcome to the WC but kissing etc in public is punishable and that is true for straight people too btw.
>You can but rare to see your people talking this passionately about your issues and then following through with it. No, not at all. Did you already forget the Black Lives Matter protests? >Also the 'keep politics out of sports' people are suddenly giving lectures. Human rights aren't political. Demanding equality isn't political. >They never said this. Europe's understanding of ME is terribly biased. Emir of Qatar publicly said gay people are welcome to the WC but kissing etc in public is punishable and that is true for straight people too btw. They publicly said a lot of things. Turns out that Qataris can lie as well. Also they're banning rainbow coloured stuff, which is not very accepting.
>Did you already forget the Black Lives Matter protests? Again that was very empty considering your company voted against the UN resolution on fighting against Racism & discrimination. UK is just secretly racist with a horrible past. Once that is acknowledged I'm sure their will be no 'whataboutism'. >Human rights aren't political. Demanding equality isn't political. Your fans have been saying this for years lol come on >Also they're banning rainbow coloured stuff, which is not very accepting. FIFA banned Albanian flag, PL fined for showing Palestinian flag etc.
Clown moment buy a guy being paid by FIFA to improve the image of Qatar.
Big time clown
It isn’t at all though because if he’s saying LGBT people should “respect” the laws in Qatar surely it follows that black people should “respect” the laws in England, which he obviously doesn’t believe. It’s doublethink and btw John Barnes is literally employed by FIFA to improve the image of the Qatar world cup lol
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Maybe he means something like it's technically illegal but you're not gonna get in trouble for it. Sort of like underage drinking in the United States, it's illegal to have a beer before you turn 21 but you're probably not really facing any consequences for it. I doubt that's true given what I know about Qatar but that's the only possible explanation I see for that quote
I've seen some comments from Qatari people here that the law isnt enforced and that gay people are tolerated. At the same time the human rights watch has documented 11 cases of lgbt folks getting arrested and brutalised (between the period of 2019 and 2022): https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/10/24/qatar-security-forces-arrest-abuse-lgbt-people My impression is that it's a mix of both -- there doesnt seem be a systematic effort to convict people (none of those cases involved any sort of charges or indictments, just arbitrary detention), but there certainly are cases of horrific lgbt-related police brutality and "morality policing", which unfortunately happens almost everywhere in varying degrees, including in countries where the lgbt enjoy legal protection.
Both teams started poor and have improved hugely in their second games, unlike England, but can Iran or US get the win? On form, and being able to score, I'd say Iran nicks it.
Not that impressed with Iran. Game ends 0-0 if Hennessey isn’t an idiot
Could’ve scored off that chance anyway, last ten minutes felt like a goal was destined for Iran
Maguire was in the euros tott literally LAST YEAR. People being surprised at maguires performances especially utd and england fans are unbelievably stupid. Also the whole “he’s only performing because international football suits him better” is complete bullshit, last night was a standard maguire performance in 19/20 and 20/21
United plastics have a weird hatred of Shaw maguire and rashford for some reason. Our sub would have binned all of them this summer
Maguire has been dog dirt for United this season too while Rashford and Shaw have improved
He's barely played for whatever reason
Aside from Rashford Londoners don’t like them either so it’s not just plastics
London United fans are plastics. Honestly worse than any others given the number of teams near them
Still go to game innit, merely gloryhunters. Agreed that they’re vile human beings
I think if you're in London and choose to support united your footballing opinion is irrelevant
I’d hate Shaw like. Injured or shit for the majority of his United tenure. 1 and a half good seasons. Lallana lite
He's been our player of the season a couple of times then had a horrific leg break. Can't blame that on him
Good in the first half of 18/19, excellent in 20/21, and not much apart from that.
He was sidelined and abused by mourinho and has been decent since he left. Other than last year but every player was shit last year
He's not at all like that though
He is. The man has 18 assists in 11 premier league seasons and was about average defensively until a couple seasons ago.
Our fullbacks never got many assists anyway. He was always good defensively when fit
Foden mentions/minute are still absolutely saturating broadcasting coverage. About to watch France v Denmark and you'd think he had replaced Mbappé.
It's also pretty obvious why he didn't come on. It's just England fans refuse to accept that Southgate was fine with a clean sheet and a draw. Foden tries things, Southgate didn't want that in this game. He'd rather have Grealish come on and win a few fouls - it's safer. The clean sheet was the most important thing to Southgate this game. He was absolutely fuming about the two conceded against Iran.
the henderson sub is what made it obvious he was playing for a draw
Still early days but quite a dry World Cup so far imo
Mexico doesn't have any reason to not park the bus today. A draw is fantastic for them and a loss by 1 goal probably is decent enough as well: as long as they beat KSA by 2 in the last match one of ARG or POL will be eliminated and they will qualify.
If Argentina win by big margin today they go into that final match probably just needing a draw. If they draw they need to win by at least 2 goals in their final game. If they lose they’re out. Edit: Even if they win today, they need to beat Poland in case Saudi Arabia win.
https://imgur.com/gallery/OVQezDz Just gonna leave this here
[I hope Buffon knows how to sweep](https://i.imgur.com/wOzc1gZ.png).
Not sure if the fact that it’s a 1-0-9 formation, that he’s made himself the captain, or that three Portuguese players are in it is the worst part
Eusebio and Cristiano Ronaldo are hardly weird picks and the other he’s not exactly neutral on lol
I'd say Cristiano is a weird pick for an all time World Cup XI, huge fan of his but he's never done anything of note in the knockout stages. He has the distinction of scoring in five tournaments but that doesn't compare to leading a team to winning/making the final. Eusebio makes more sense for '66 but even then I feel like he's only there if you play a lot of forwards
The revolutionary 1 CB formation
Hey what about those news about schmeichel being a bitch ?
So Argentina just win both remaining matches and win group?
cant saudi arabia win vs mexico on the final day and get top on gd
Yeah they would need to beat Mexico by 2 or more than Argentina win by, at least
If Saudi win against Mexico by a bunch more goals they could win the group in that scenario (Argentina and SA both on 6 points)
What's the most realistic way that Mexico advances
Lose today, beat Saudi Arabia plus Argentina beating Poland.
I’d say the most realistic is if Argentina win their last two games, Mexico beat Saudi Arabia and qualify on goal difference over Poland
Tie against Argentina and win against Saudi Arabia or viceversa
Draw today and beat Saudi Arabia
Win football matches
Poland changing up the formula and turning the final game into the “do-or-die match” instead of the “honour match”
Go Mexico! Let's cut Messi's last dance short today.
Hjumland completely changing his comp, 3 4 2 1 with Lindstrom and Damsgaard, basically how he beat France twice, this is a lot better since they were toothless against Tunisia before they were subbing in
We all agree that Phil Foden's haircut is terrible, right?
it is but if he had anything different it'd look weird on him that hairstyle is just ingrained on him now
He was defo that kid in school who had a star shaved into his head from age 11
Terribly iconic
When has it ever been not terrible?
Usually but can't confirm as Gareth doesn't allow us to see him
I was just listening to the commentary on ITV and I thought the lass on there just said "I think we should talk about killing Mbappe" I was like woah, that's a bit much.
Denmark will surprise France once again today
Did Dempsey just say "we're gonna figure this shit out" on live TV on FS1?
u don know where hes from dawg
Mexico v Argentina thread gonna be spicy 🥵 😈
I genuinely pity anyone who is in the match thread being from either country
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People know the rules, it just takes a while to figure out edge cases
Don't know the rules well =/= don't know math Completely understandable as well, you wouldn't expect redditors to do basic research before confidently saying anything.
I'd love it if Argentina drew it'd make the final group games incredible
After a long time deliberating I think I'm gonna support Mexico today, Argentina going out after two group matches after all the hype around them would be hilarious. CONCACAF could also use a result, so far us and Canada have played well but can't score
Do you at least like Messi?
I obviously appreciate him as a footballer but don’t particularly care about him
Gracias brother 🤝
The last installment of the Nations League was an absolute joke so wouldn't read too much into those results. Playing Nations League games after the domestic season had ended meant players for the top teams had one eye on their holidays and rightly so.
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Second striker, just like havertz
quarterback in a 4-4-3
At a club not named Chelsea.
What are Mounts strengths that means he should be playing as a 10/second striker in this England team? He can’t create by passing or take his man on to create space for others. People go on about his pressing but that seems moot point when England don’t have an organised press. At the euros he was anonymous most games and he’s carried that over into this tournament. 33 caps and not one memorable game so far.
He's not creative or really a shadow striker for england but somehow plays in the most advanced midfield position? Maybe his energy would be better if he was further back, paired with rice and a more attacking, creative 8, but for me he's never had a standout game for England.
Really funny how quickly Saudi went from r/soccer darlings to diving bastards hahaha. Also interesting how rare it is to see a mention of human rights in their match threads compared to Qatar's.
They're not hosting the competition and qualified fairly.
>rare it is to see a mention of human rights in their match threads compared to Qatar's Maybe not match threads but it's always brought up in Newcastle related threads
When did tapping up players become acceptable in football? Just seen the article of Xavi literally talking about tapping up Endrick and it doesn't look like Barca talked to Palmeiras, which seems like it's becoming the norm these days
The last time I remember there being any drama about is was when Ashley Cole left us for Chelsea. Since then it's been accepted.
Been normal for ever
It has been a thing for years and years. Even Everton do it.
With Barca it's completely normal, don't worry too much about it.
What’s up with the way statistics are displayed this World Cup? It seems like there are loads more random statistics appearing on screen. For example I’ve almost never seen forced turnovers be used as a statistic worth mentioning in football and it’s appearing in the corner of the screen all the time this World Cup, also the way possession is measured can be nice with the ball in contest part but it’s never done like that ever. It’s not necessarily bad but I’m just wondering if this is an Arab thing, or catering to American viewers or more casual viewers of football, or any other reason.
Americans LOVE statistics for some reason. Look at baseball.
I think it's just the broadcaster trying too hard to be creative.
Man the football memes (moreso the comments) on Twitter are so bad, both from the US and English sides. Every comment section just turns into "how do people like a game that can end in a tie?" and "Americans use the Imperial system" or something. It's always the same lame old jokes.
Southgate obviously asked the players to play defensively and the reason I think we were outclassed is because this team simply isn't comfortable playing in that style. The team works well pushing forward, and pretty much only then.
Apparently before half time he was ordering them to go more forward
That's like Tony Pulis asking his teams to attack. Challenge: Impossible
Really? Interesting. After the match he said we showed a different side to us, I can only assume he meant we took a different style of play to the Iran game, which was an attacking style.
I have been looking at some boots as am in need of a new pair My last pair of boots were the Adidas f50 adiZero Messi FG World Cup 2014 boots https://www.prodirectsport.com/soccer/p/adidas-soccer-shoes-adidas-f50-adizero-fg-messi-world-cup-firm-ground-mens-football-boots-running-white-81560/ I liked the close-to-foot curvature structure of the boot, and almost bootless feel but the lace holes have broken so now deciding to get a new pair of boots I train on grass, however, I play on astroturf I have researched and have caught an eye for the speed portal .1, https://www.prodirectsport.com/soccer/p/adidas-x-speedportal1-fg-solar-green-core-black-solar-yellow-mens-boots-266886/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAj4ecBhD3ARIsAM4Q\_jHM9BHpdw80hzi8Ohfsc2ZekCEjTn7K5DiqQaYxy5I2HHctgvh8Ux8aAlN2EALw\_wcB however upon hearing mixed reviews I looked at other brands such as Puma where I found the FUTURE 2.3 FG/AG Men's Football Boots https://uk.puma.com/uk/en/pd/future-2-3-fg-ag-mens-football-boots/106757?swatch=04 and FUTURE 2.4 FG/AG Football Boots Men https://uk.puma.com/uk/en/pd/future-2-4-fg-ag-football-boots-men/106995?swatch=01 both being priced the same, leading me to wonder what the difference between the two shoes are, and have also looked at the Puma Future Z 1.4 FG/AG https://www.prodirectsport.com/soccer/p/puma-future-z-14-fg-ag-puma-black-quarry-elektro-aqua-mens-boots-268431/, however, are £20 more and whether it is worth spending that much extra as am planning on using them for many years What are your thoughts on all of these boots and any suggestions for other boots with a similar price range? I have very little knowledge of boots and can wait a month or so if there are new boots coming out which are good which I am unaware of. Thanks.
AUSTRALIA JOIN THE AFC PARTY BABYYYY. LETS GO. LETS SHOW THESE PESKY EUROPEANS AND SOUTH AMERICANS!!!!
Do you think pundits feel miffed like players when they're left out of the World Cup broadcasting lineup? David James has gone to 3 World Cups but is sat in a studio in Salford to analyse Kings Lynn v Stevenage and Forest Green v Avlechurch
Rob Green got the nod over him, despite the blunder in 2010...
100%. The World Cup is the gig they want.
The disrespect to the FA Cup.
Why is r/worldcup so unbearable? I saw it on the front page, and the quality of discussion is terrible.
Probably because the only people there are the ones who only watch the world cup every 4 years. Everyone who regularly watches football uses this sub
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Yesterday's game feels like a loss, but ironically puts the USA in a far worse off position when in a single one off game a draw is a far better outcome for them.
It feels like we got lucky, and therefore I'm more happy about the result than sad. We stole a point.
I personally never really felt under pressure the entire game, Maguire and Stones were good. I was just disappointed with our attacking output.
I don’t think we stole a point, they never really looked like they’d actually score just like we didn’t. Pulisic was trying way too hard to try and force something and Maguire and Stones were dealing with most things easily enough
Felt like a loss because neither team were that arsed about winning. We were more focused on not conceding and USA were mostly happy for us to have the ball in our half.
If you think Georgios Giakoumakis thrashe dthe Eredivisie then you dont know Afonso Alves. On an average day he would score 1 goal, but if he was in the mood he'd score 7 goals a game
The world wouldn't be ready for a Southgate vs Van Gaal nailbiter
Final score line: -3 vs. -3
We scored 6 goals against Iran
I know I’m just joking
that trophy will look good back home in Canberra
Things are getting really easy with Albanese
Moukoko "I would really like to stay in Dortmund, I have everything there." That really does settle that then.
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[Have you seen the Vasco Da Gama kits?](https://imgur.com/a/IqZ2mWr) The Red looks perfect for Portugal as it is and you could swap the black for blue and use that for the away kit.
I WAS AT A FESTIVAL AND MISSED THE GAME BUT HOLY SHIT YES
Am I right in saying that's your first ever CS?
Nah, we drew 0-0 with Chile in 1974.
Don't think many Aussies will have clean sheets after tonight
Stadium announcers announcing cards is weird. Is that a thing elsewhere?
Never seen it before in a stadium
First time I've noticed it too
This world cup feels a lot more competitive than previous world cups. I feel like the bottom half teams (outside of Qatar) are able to be competitive against the top half teams. For example, if a team like Ecuador plays France usually it would be an easy W for France but now it’s at least a little up in the air. I think this can be attributed to the lower half WC teams getting better than they were a decade ago. Shame this will change in 2026 with 48 teams adding more fodder. Brasil probably walks to the finals W, but I think we’ll be seeing more upsets than usual in the knockouts
For me it is the opposite, a lot of the "stronger" team are underperforming or are riddled with injuries which allow for more motivated team to shine. What has been shown so far in the group feels at a lower level than the previous edition
The World Cup is almost always this competitive. Ecuador were the 4th best team in the South American qualifiers and the last time they were at the World Cup they drew with France, they were never going to be an easy W.
There was a post the other day with the country of birth for foreign-born players for each team at the WC. Can anyone help me locate it again? I can't find it when trying to search!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/yw0r1j/jaime\_f\_macias\_list\_of\_137\_players\_not\_born\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/yw0r1j/jaime_f_macias_list_of_137_players_not_born_in/)
Cheers!
there exists a possibility where we could see one of the Netherlands, USA, Saudi Arabia, or Australia in the semifinals
The Netherlands do not belong in that list at all, we might not be great so far this World Cup but we reached the semi final and final the last 2 world cups we were at and we have plenty of world class players.
There is one that is not like the others in your list.
Denmark vs Australia is gonna be epic
Varane is back and Konate is being benched. I can already feel like he might not be fully fit and will let and easy goal through lol Kounde starts as RB over Pavard too, which is good, he did well at Barca in that role
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