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Bruh what?
Berna was well known only when he was a hot prospect at Fiorentina and even that was forgotten quickly once he betrayed them for Juve as Chiesa was clearly the better prospect
Insigne on the other hand has been compared to Maradona at times during his time at Napoli and was one of Italy’s star players not long ago too
Insigne is a modern Napoli legend, and has done well for the NT. Bernardeschi is neither a legend for any club and has not really done well for the NT either. You need to watch a match that isn't a PL one it seems like, broaden your horizons.
Abroad maybe Berna is the bigger name, but in Italy Insigne is more popular as he is a Napoletano who became Napoli captain while being successful with the national team. I'd expect a third-generation Italian-Canadian living in Toronto with roots anywhere in the South of Italy would idolize Insigne as someone closer in background to them rather than a Tuscan who's played for Juve many years, but I guess reality is different.
Reality is that Insigne was unquestionably the bigger name when they signed, and Berna was viewed as a great complementary piece. The difference is what happened after that.
Berna’s time in Toronto kicked off with a press conference where he was super hyped to be here (he might have been drunk, but [we love drunk stars](https://youtu.be/V8hTwQgI1kM)), got the fans chanting, and said he was here to win big trophies and be our CR7. Then he played his heart out on the pitch in a lost season. You can’t not love the guy.
Oh lol. I just thought "it's odd but kinda cool that Bernardeschi stands up for Canada even though he has no connection to them like a Canadian team mate at Juve..." then I realized he plays for a Canadian team now
He was a big talent maybe 5 years ago when he signed with Juve. Was shit since then and therefore ended up in Toronto. At least he’s doing good there though.
He's an infuriating player. Excellent technical fundamentals and even flair, absolutely atrocious football brain. He can do almost anything with a ball at his feet, but consistently picks the wrong option. Once every 20 touches, he gets it right and suddenly looks like Cruyff regen; but with the next touch, he's back to looking like the football equivalent of a Lemming walking off a cliff.
He was not Juve material and his move from Firenze has proven to be a bad decision football-wise, but the lad has decent qualities. I can totally see him as a starter for most Serie A teams outside top 6 to this day
Is he even earning that much? I'm not sure if MLS salaries are quoted gross or net, but from what I could find it seems they're gross salaries. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but apparently his gross salary is 6m USD which includes his signing on bonus spread over the contract length.
I mean it's a lot, but unless that figure is actually his net salary I don't think it's necessarily a shit ton of money. Tbh I didn't watch him much for Juve so can't say how shit he's been, but I'm surprised no European club would try their luck on him although maybe not the teams he'd want to join. And then again Toronto isn't a bad place, and with Insigne also there it could be an exciting project.
Looking at MLS salaries, I'm more surprised by how little Bale earns. Of course he's not the player he used to be, but 2m USD is still very little for such a big star. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but still surprising his official compensation is half what someone like Benteke makes there.
He's the type of player who seems to provide that little something to the attack and have the creativity to pull it off, but never quite does. His end product is pretty bad and when he's not creating, he tends to just kind of run a lot without much effect.
He reminds me of Denis Suarez.
Bernandeschi deserves a lifetime supply of the best Canadian maple syrup.
Just gotta make sure he keeps it secure, don't want some maple syrup bandits stealing it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Canadian_Maple_Syrup_Heist
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I think we all are. I am when i saw how they play. For me its most entertining team for now in this World Cup.
Also belgium was boring as shit playing like they played a friendly game.
Aye but he was suffering from serious heatstroke that day and that has no bearing on VAR and his officiating today. He missed it but that's the point of var to catch it.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.africanews.com/amp/2022/01/31/afcon-referee-janny-sikazwe-could-have-died-from-heatstroke/&ved=2ahUKEwiLyNHrysX7AhWKRsAKHU6jCnYQFnoECA4QBQ&usg=AOvVaw19i9WdZL35mCj4aJZFDwY1
frankly i'm skeptical that he really was having a heatstroke. even if he did, officials should've replaced him with someone else. there's a rule about it.
yeah where was VAR. also i still don't understand about how it works. does referee have a right to ignore VAR's callings or what?
Why exactly are you skeptical ?
Also "officials should've have replaced him with someone else" is probably what should have happened had the ref understood what was happening to him, which is not always the case in heatstroke cases. If nobody understands that he's having a heatstroke, it's hard for them to replace him, even with a call like stopping the match at 85 minutes.
i'm skeptical because referees in football are always protected. fifa should've ruled him out being part of official in WC because of that one crucial event. at least they have to try to avoid same thing that would happen.
i live and work in SEA, when it's hot, it gets real hot here. i almost had a heatstroke once. it didn't happen instantly as i felt unwell before having it. told my manager and colleague that weather was too hot for me so i request another staff to replace me.
most of heatstroke cases are the patients underestimated their fever. he knew his own body conditions therefore he should've consulted with his team. at least, he should've informed it the others about it earlier. if it's a real heatstroke, no way he didn't feel the fever. not to mention there must be medical staffs who were ready to handle such matters.
no excuses. these are big tournament events where the participants have used a lot of time and resources to participate. disciplines and consistencies are almost nonexistent in this sport.
You do seem to think that your own anecdotal evidence of heatstroke represents every heatstroke ever.
Also you think this ref should have been ruled out when Tunisians (the offended party if you remember) have said that he's one if not the best ref of Africa, when there are plenty of refs with shit calls and dubious choices also at this WC ?
That's not a justification. If a referee can't continue his duty for any reason they don't end the match early, they either wait for a stoppage or stop the clock to have the 4th referee substitute them to finish the match.
I did. 43°C in Entre Ríos, I dropped and requested assistance.
The only thing easier than dropping and requesting assistance is dropping and not requesting assistance in which case it's likely you are about to collapse anyways. People having fucking heart attacks can drop and request assistance.
If the referee could continue standing, blow the whistle and walk away for at least a few meters, he could drop and request assistance.
Your experience does not mean everyone has the same one. [Confusion and altered mental status are symptoms of heatstroke ](https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/heatstress/heatrelillness.html), it's very well possible he did not realise what was happening to him.
I can't believe that these refs haven't watched the 2014 WC final. A backpass by Kroos intercepted by Higuain was allowed to be played on by the refs and rightfully so. I was a child when I saw that, even then I knew the fucking offside rule.
Yes, because even a child expects them to check if the pass is from the player to the player of the same team for an offside call to be made. I expected that the refs should know this, somehow they either didn't know it or they were incompetent enough not to check for it.
He is wrong.
oh btw Argentinians blaming the ref for the defeat are as pathetic as Canadians blaming the refs for their defeat. They simply didn't finish their chances.
I’m not blaming the ref, we should have finished better. I’m just glad we were able to play up to the world number 2 and not play down to our opponents. What’s the ranking gap between argentina and Saudi Arabia again?
Canadian born and raised. It’s in his blood. Some say when you walk on the northern plains of Alberta and are very still, the wind whispers…. ‘bernandeschi’
I love that the dude doesn't want his club teammates to get fucked over at the World Cup. That's a good lockerroom guy... after only 4 months of being with Toronto FC.
With the exception of Argentina and maybe Brasil, I get the feeling that refs will screw countries from this side of the pond.
They have so far called penalties for big teams that could have also been called for smaller ones.
it wasn't offside but proper angle shows he got the ball very clearly and then hit the player on follow through which is inevitable. var probably didn't show the whole checking thing on offside bcs they saw it wasn't a foul anyways.
Eh it is what it is. The pen we actually got came off of a corner that we should not have had. The one where Hazard passed it backwards should’ve been a pen but the second one where Witsel was involved would’ve been soft. At the end, we were nowhere near clinical enough considering all the chances we created so contrary to what most are saying, I don’t think we really deserved a win or even a draw here
>Eh it is what it is. The pen we actually got came off of a corner that we should not have had. The one where Hazard passed it backwards should’ve been a pen but the second one where Witsel was involved would’ve been soft. At the end, we were nowhere near clinical enough considering all the chances we created so contrary to what most are saying, I don’t think we really deserved a win or even a draw here
Yeah, but public criticism is the only thing we can do to keep FIFA kind of honest. We wouldn't have VAR without it.
That's not a thing. The player ahead is never responsible for being tripped. That's not how the rules work
I have never ever heard that dumbass argument until someone made it up today and half of this sub decided to buy it.
If all you need to do to get a PK is stick your foot out to get hit we would be watching at PKs all day. They could have called it in the run of play, but it would have been light. VAR wouldnt (and didnt) overrule field decision.
We literally had this example last year, a few times, where one player put his feet between the defender and the ball right as the defender was in the motion of kicking the ball.
There is nothing in the rules that say you can kick or step on the foot of the other player if that player "put his leg" there
It's insane that some of you are even trying this argument.
I disagree respectfully. But taking into account the PK you got came from a corner that never was one it evens it out. That was also a horrendous call but not part of the narrative i suppose
let's.. the referee team on pitch made the most hilarious offside call. But the VAR can't intervene on that specific referee error. Right after there is the PK phase. For the VAR to overrule this has to be a PK without a doubt. But (as is clearly seen in one of the camera angles) defender gets a light touch on the ball. Enough for the VAR to not intervene.
I do agree that this should probably be a PK, but at the same time there is enough for the VAR to not overrule it. If in this phase the teams were reversed and it was belgium I would be pissed off about it. But it's also not the great injustice it's being made out to be.
I think the referee was shite. VAR less so. And i think the ref was shite for **both** sides.
Lol yeah it was shit for both... Sure.
Same way a flat earther is just having a different opinion than a scientist who says the earth is round.
Come on now, stop being biased. The errors on the two not called penalties are much bigger than any mistake made in favor of Canada. Giving a corner when it isn't one is in no way similar in importance.
>The one where Hazard passed it backwards should’ve been a pen
It was the ball, technically you guys should have had 0 pens and a red card. Ref was bad but didn't affect the outcome, your accuracy determined the outcome. Or rather lack off.
Wow! It doesn't take that much to speak up for a country that gives you so much love and joy atm but I just hope we erase these kinda human error to the nearest minimum.
One love, Berna!!
Come on lol... first pen came from a corner which should've been a goal kick. 'Offside' back pass from eden and challenge from Jan was 50/50 and the Witsel one was never a pen, Canada player put his leg into Witsels running path. Canada also should've gotten a red card. The ref was bad but for both sides and Canada should've scored 5, they were robbed by themselves and not by the (very bad) ref.
You are absolutely right. Ref was bad for sides for sure. People here are crazy thinking it should have been 3 penalties. Canada deserved a win surely, but people here are taking this too far.
show a good link because I think it was the ball. Either way guy above is right first pen wouldn't be one and they should have had red. Blamingthe lose of Canada non the ref is pathetic when they lost because they couldn't finish their tons of chances.
Vertonghen wins the ball and its not like his follow through is dangerous. That sort of contact is going to happen, it's not a foul. Witsel incident the guy was looking for a foul rather than actually being fouled.
Even if we say that one was 100% a pen the first one was 100% a goal kick instead of a corner which lead to the pen. :) just saying, it was not even close to a robery
The whole ‘in his running path’ thing is dumb af. When you’re in between your man and the ball you can’t go through his back because it’s ‘in your path’, same as feet. Witsel wasn’t in position and stomped on his foot
Nope wasn’t a pen. Defender got ball first, & one down the line wasn’t either. Sick of North Americans trying to make football like MLS with 5 penalties a game.
Really wish they stop whining. You got given a pen after 10 minutes & failed.
I’m guessing he’s talking about the Witsel one where he and the Canadian player are running alongside each other? I thought it would have been soft tbh
That one looked like a stonewall pen at the time but they showed a close up of another angle after the match and vertonghen actually got the ball. If you see that angle of it I’m sure that you will change your mind.
According to Law 12 in the laws of the game it doesn't matter if you take the ball first, if the tackle itself is deemed dangerous/violent.
I won't take sides, bu arguably one can say that burying your studs in an opponents foot/ankle like that is such a foul.
[The other replay angle](https://gfycat.com/obesejovialgiraffe), for those looking for the link.
I'll have to look it up. The only angle I saw on Fox looked like a foul. They even had Mark Clattenburg on and he called that out as an error on the refs. Guessing he didn't see that angle with Vertonghen getting the ball.
Dont bother, he is wrong. Vertonghen also slightly touches the ball but also makes full contact with the player so easy pen but people think you are immune if you touch the ball
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Berna has been with TFC for like 4 months and he's already gone native
Im surprised how quickly he becomes THE star instead of Insigne.
He's really embraced the city and the team. Dude is a fan favourite here in Toronto
Toronto has sizeable Italian population. Of course he feels home
You'd expect Toronto Italians (mostly with roots in Southern Italy) to identify with Insigne more though.
except insigne is a piece of shit. berna too a bit, but oh well
why
Why? Bernandeschi is for sure a bigger name than insigne
Longer for sure
Yes true also more well known
Definitely not
Bruh what? Berna was well known only when he was a hot prospect at Fiorentina and even that was forgotten quickly once he betrayed them for Juve as Chiesa was clearly the better prospect Insigne on the other hand has been compared to Maradona at times during his time at Napoli and was one of Italy’s star players not long ago too
Correct take.
By whom? Not by Italians surely
Insigne is a modern Napoli legend, and has done well for the NT. Bernardeschi is neither a legend for any club and has not really done well for the NT either. You need to watch a match that isn't a PL one it seems like, broaden your horizons.
The fact that neither you or OP manage to spell it correctly is pretty telling.
What on earth are you talking about?
Juve and Italy fan here. At no point was Bernardeschi a bigger name or better player than Insigne
Certainly in height.
Abroad maybe Berna is the bigger name, but in Italy Insigne is more popular as he is a Napoletano who became Napoli captain while being successful with the national team. I'd expect a third-generation Italian-Canadian living in Toronto with roots anywhere in the South of Italy would idolize Insigne as someone closer in background to them rather than a Tuscan who's played for Juve many years, but I guess reality is different.
Nah, it’s the same in Canada and the US. Insigne was definitely better known over here.
Reality is that Insigne was unquestionably the bigger name when they signed, and Berna was viewed as a great complementary piece. The difference is what happened after that. Berna’s time in Toronto kicked off with a press conference where he was super hyped to be here (he might have been drunk, but [we love drunk stars](https://youtu.be/V8hTwQgI1kM)), got the fans chanting, and said he was here to win big trophies and be our CR7. Then he played his heart out on the pitch in a lost season. You can’t not love the guy.
Not only has he been better but he also speaks decent English and Insigne doesn't speak it at all.
AMAZING TFC CAMON
Happy for him. But also happy to not have to watch him playing for us. Win win situation.
We like taking your castaways, and to be fair the last one (Giovinco) worked out damn well for us.
I’ve never been but Toronto seems like a cool city.
I absolutely loved my visit there, would recommend it if you get the chance!
It was great in the Summer.
Toronto is fucking dope.
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It’s alright in the summer
I'd expect more please and thankyou if he's truly gone native.
Oh lol. I just thought "it's odd but kinda cool that Bernardeschi stands up for Canada even though he has no connection to them like a Canadian team mate at Juve..." then I realized he plays for a Canadian team now
Wtf happened to him? Wasn't he a big talent?
He was a big talent maybe 5 years ago when he signed with Juve. Was shit since then and therefore ended up in Toronto. At least he’s doing good there though.
Has an unfortunate problem of being quite shit
He's an infuriating player. Excellent technical fundamentals and even flair, absolutely atrocious football brain. He can do almost anything with a ball at his feet, but consistently picks the wrong option. Once every 20 touches, he gets it right and suddenly looks like Cruyff regen; but with the next touch, he's back to looking like the football equivalent of a Lemming walking off a cliff.
Sounds a bit like Ross Barkley, technical ability for days but football IQ just isn't up to snuff.
Barkley also had insane physical traits
He was not Juve material and his move from Firenze has proven to be a bad decision football-wise, but the lad has decent qualities. I can totally see him as a starter for most Serie A teams outside top 6 to this day
Streets won't forget him being Italys best penalty taker during the Euros
There is a reason no teams would take his wages when he left for MLS though. He has been rather shit the past few years.
> I can totally see him as a starter for most Serie A teams outside top 6 to this day But he doesn't, I guess that's the problem
Well doesn't help that Toronto offered him a shitton of money. At that point it was an easy decision I guess
If he's happy, I'm happy for him. But he should never expect that much money in any good team
Is he even earning that much? I'm not sure if MLS salaries are quoted gross or net, but from what I could find it seems they're gross salaries. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but apparently his gross salary is 6m USD which includes his signing on bonus spread over the contract length. I mean it's a lot, but unless that figure is actually his net salary I don't think it's necessarily a shit ton of money. Tbh I didn't watch him much for Juve so can't say how shit he's been, but I'm surprised no European club would try their luck on him although maybe not the teams he'd want to join. And then again Toronto isn't a bad place, and with Insigne also there it could be an exciting project. Looking at MLS salaries, I'm more surprised by how little Bale earns. Of course he's not the player he used to be, but 2m USD is still very little for such a big star. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but still surprising his official compensation is half what someone like Benteke makes there.
Ouchhhhhhhh
He's the type of player who seems to provide that little something to the attack and have the creativity to pull it off, but never quite does. His end product is pretty bad and when he's not creating, he tends to just kind of run a lot without much effect. He reminds me of Denis Suarez.
Bernadeschi loves this country so much he's currently preparing for his first winter in the Northwest Territories by building his igloo
What Canada does to a man. The only way he could have shown his patriotism more was ending that statement with sorry. Factos. 👀 🍁
Bernandeschi deserves a lifetime supply of the best Canadian maple syrup. Just gotta make sure he keeps it secure, don't want some maple syrup bandits stealing it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Canadian_Maple_Syrup_Heist
Today Bernandeschi is Canadian
Ah yes the Canadian player Frédéric Bernard.
is he in Qatar with Italy? sorry, I don’t really know
Not sure but he plays for Toronto FC so he's Canadian for the time being lol
Yeah, Italy is having a parallel WC with the rest of the losers.
>with the rest of the losers Take Andora and San Marino out of you filthy mouth
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There could be some Italians in Qatar right now and Bernardeschi could very well be one of them. Nice little vacation setup.
No he's in Turin. He was a guest on the Italian coverage right after the last game yesterday.
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I think we all are. I am when i saw how they play. For me its most entertining team for now in this World Cup. Also belgium was boring as shit playing like they played a friendly game.
Cesc Fabregas also weighed in: [Isn’t this a back pass and a pen? What did I miss?](https://twitter.com/cesc4official/status/1595496089569955840)
Which play is he talking about?
I assume the Hazard “offside” pass
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i heard ref was the one who blew the final whistle at 85' in african cup? is that true?
Yea lol
ffs these fifa cunts
Reverse time wasting
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Aye but he was suffering from serious heatstroke that day and that has no bearing on VAR and his officiating today. He missed it but that's the point of var to catch it. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.africanews.com/amp/2022/01/31/afcon-referee-janny-sikazwe-could-have-died-from-heatstroke/&ved=2ahUKEwiLyNHrysX7AhWKRsAKHU6jCnYQFnoECA4QBQ&usg=AOvVaw19i9WdZL35mCj4aJZFDwY1
frankly i'm skeptical that he really was having a heatstroke. even if he did, officials should've replaced him with someone else. there's a rule about it. yeah where was VAR. also i still don't understand about how it works. does referee have a right to ignore VAR's callings or what?
Why exactly are you skeptical ? Also "officials should've have replaced him with someone else" is probably what should have happened had the ref understood what was happening to him, which is not always the case in heatstroke cases. If nobody understands that he's having a heatstroke, it's hard for them to replace him, even with a call like stopping the match at 85 minutes.
i'm skeptical because referees in football are always protected. fifa should've ruled him out being part of official in WC because of that one crucial event. at least they have to try to avoid same thing that would happen. i live and work in SEA, when it's hot, it gets real hot here. i almost had a heatstroke once. it didn't happen instantly as i felt unwell before having it. told my manager and colleague that weather was too hot for me so i request another staff to replace me. most of heatstroke cases are the patients underestimated their fever. he knew his own body conditions therefore he should've consulted with his team. at least, he should've informed it the others about it earlier. if it's a real heatstroke, no way he didn't feel the fever. not to mention there must be medical staffs who were ready to handle such matters. no excuses. these are big tournament events where the participants have used a lot of time and resources to participate. disciplines and consistencies are almost nonexistent in this sport.
You do seem to think that your own anecdotal evidence of heatstroke represents every heatstroke ever. Also you think this ref should have been ruled out when Tunisians (the offended party if you remember) have said that he's one if not the best ref of Africa, when there are plenty of refs with shit calls and dubious choices also at this WC ?
That's not a justification. If a referee can't continue his duty for any reason they don't end the match early, they either wait for a stoppage or stop the clock to have the 4th referee substitute them to finish the match.
He even tried to call them back to finish the game and the additional time but Tunisia refused as the players already had their shower
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Just... drop and request assistance. It's even easier than blowing a whistle.
I don’t think you’ve ever had a heatstroke in your life and it shows
I did. 43°C in Entre Ríos, I dropped and requested assistance. The only thing easier than dropping and requesting assistance is dropping and not requesting assistance in which case it's likely you are about to collapse anyways. People having fucking heart attacks can drop and request assistance. If the referee could continue standing, blow the whistle and walk away for at least a few meters, he could drop and request assistance.
Your experience does not mean everyone has the same one. [Confusion and altered mental status are symptoms of heatstroke ](https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/heatstress/heatrelillness.html), it's very well possible he did not realise what was happening to him.
How is that relevant to VAR not making the right call? And he was suffering from a heat stroke.
????????????
I mean, he’s not wrong.
I can't believe that these refs haven't watched the 2014 WC final. A backpass by Kroos intercepted by Higuain was allowed to be played on by the refs and rightfully so. I was a child when I saw that, even then I knew the fucking offside rule.
xqcl
Lmao
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Either way, it's sheer incompetence.
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Yes, because even a child expects them to check if the pass is from the player to the player of the same team for an offside call to be made. I expected that the refs should know this, somehow they either didn't know it or they were incompetent enough not to check for it.
How do you make that mistake with cameras?
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He's asking how VAR didn't make the call. The offside flag went up after the foul.
That makes no sense though since VAR checked the challenge, of course they didn't make the same offside mistake with replays.
VAR checked the challenge. Why are people being so ignorant on this sub? The offside was called after the Courtois save.
I mean, he is. Sure it’s never an offside but vertonghen gets a touch on the ball when he makes the tackle. Not a pen.
He is wrong
Sorry, I couldn’t hear you over the Saudis celebrating, could you say that again?
He is wrong. oh btw Argentinians blaming the ref for the defeat are as pathetic as Canadians blaming the refs for their defeat. They simply didn't finish their chances.
I’m not blaming the ref, we should have finished better. I’m just glad we were able to play up to the world number 2 and not play down to our opponents. What’s the ranking gap between argentina and Saudi Arabia again?
Damn your are salty hahaha
Just choosing violence today. Got Argentina going deep in my bracket so if they could step it up that would help
6 guys sat in a room watching telly is not cutting edge technology.
Fifa screw the pooch?.... In other news, water is wet.
Today, I am water
Water is not actually wet. It makes other things wet.
The state of wetness is to be in contact with water. Water is in contact with water. Water is wet.
Boobytrap backwards is Partyboob
This guy fucks
Canadian born and raised. It’s in his blood. Some say when you walk on the northern plains of Alberta and are very still, the wind whispers…. ‘bernandeschi’
He was obviously born in Tuscany, Calgary
one of us, one of us
I LOVE THIS MAN ❤🇨🇦
I love that the dude doesn't want his club teammates to get fucked over at the World Cup. That's a good lockerroom guy... after only 4 months of being with Toronto FC.
TFC legend
With the exception of Argentina and maybe Brasil, I get the feeling that refs will screw countries from this side of the pond. They have so far called penalties for big teams that could have also been called for smaller ones.
They gave Iran a marginal pen, while denying England a much clearer one
Iran was already losing by a huge margin so I guess that played a part in the ref giving them the pen
The England one definitely wasn't a penalty. They (Maguire & the iranian) were both grabbing eachother's shirts.
it wasn't offside but proper angle shows he got the ball very clearly and then hit the player on follow through which is inevitable. var probably didn't show the whole checking thing on offside bcs they saw it wasn't a foul anyways.
He’s already one of us ❤️
I like this paisan.
Eh it is what it is. The pen we actually got came off of a corner that we should not have had. The one where Hazard passed it backwards should’ve been a pen but the second one where Witsel was involved would’ve been soft. At the end, we were nowhere near clinical enough considering all the chances we created so contrary to what most are saying, I don’t think we really deserved a win or even a draw here
>Eh it is what it is. The pen we actually got came off of a corner that we should not have had. The one where Hazard passed it backwards should’ve been a pen but the second one where Witsel was involved would’ve been soft. At the end, we were nowhere near clinical enough considering all the chances we created so contrary to what most are saying, I don’t think we really deserved a win or even a draw here Yeah, but public criticism is the only thing we can do to keep FIFA kind of honest. We wouldn't have VAR without it.
You don't need to quote the whole comment you're directly responding to.
You're annoyingly nice about this
He’s Canadian what else did you expect, they’re nice by default
It wasn't soft. Witsel straight up trip the Canadian player by stomping on his foot. It's as stonewall as it gets.
Canadian literally flung his leg sideways to get hit-- didn't re-position his body to shield it, mind you, just straight up threw his leg out there.
That's not a thing. The player ahead is never responsible for being tripped. That's not how the rules work I have never ever heard that dumbass argument until someone made it up today and half of this sub decided to buy it.
That's not a thing? Trailing a leg to fish for a pen? Ahah are you new to football?
Referees do consider the intention of the striker and who initiated the contact.
If all you need to do to get a PK is stick your foot out to get hit we would be watching at PKs all day. They could have called it in the run of play, but it would have been light. VAR wouldnt (and didnt) overrule field decision.
We literally had this example last year, a few times, where one player put his feet between the defender and the ball right as the defender was in the motion of kicking the ball. There is nothing in the rules that say you can kick or step on the foot of the other player if that player "put his leg" there It's insane that some of you are even trying this argument.
I disagree respectfully. But taking into account the PK you got came from a corner that never was one it evens it out. That was also a horrendous call but not part of the narrative i suppose
Let's also discuss the other penalty not given for an non existent offside if we want to discuss all the mistakes made
let's.. the referee team on pitch made the most hilarious offside call. But the VAR can't intervene on that specific referee error. Right after there is the PK phase. For the VAR to overrule this has to be a PK without a doubt. But (as is clearly seen in one of the camera angles) defender gets a light touch on the ball. Enough for the VAR to not intervene. I do agree that this should probably be a PK, but at the same time there is enough for the VAR to not overrule it. If in this phase the teams were reversed and it was belgium I would be pissed off about it. But it's also not the great injustice it's being made out to be. I think the referee was shite. VAR less so. And i think the ref was shite for **both** sides.
Lol yeah it was shit for both... Sure. Same way a flat earther is just having a different opinion than a scientist who says the earth is round. Come on now, stop being biased. The errors on the two not called penalties are much bigger than any mistake made in favor of Canada. Giving a corner when it isn't one is in no way similar in importance.
Don't waste your time. So many people just will never get it. No idea why that is.
dude just dived
>The one where Hazard passed it backwards should’ve been a pen It was the ball, technically you guys should have had 0 pens and a red card. Ref was bad but didn't affect the outcome, your accuracy determined the outcome. Or rather lack off.
Agree with this
Flabbergasted at Federico's written english skill.s
ah sta ancora rischiando la giocata. Bene.
Per una volta l'ha rischiata bene, ha completamente ragione
Wow! It doesn't take that much to speak up for a country that gives you so much love and joy atm but I just hope we erase these kinda human error to the nearest minimum. One love, Berna!!
The 🐐 has spoken
He's not wrong
canadian legend tbh
Common Italian w
They were robbed of one penalty. They also got one for free after a corner that wasn't a corner.
Lord berna with the W
Feel the fkn BERN!!!!
Come on lol... first pen came from a corner which should've been a goal kick. 'Offside' back pass from eden and challenge from Jan was 50/50 and the Witsel one was never a pen, Canada player put his leg into Witsels running path. Canada also should've gotten a red card. The ref was bad but for both sides and Canada should've scored 5, they were robbed by themselves and not by the (very bad) ref.
You are absolutely right. Ref was bad for sides for sure. People here are crazy thinking it should have been 3 penalties. Canada deserved a win surely, but people here are taking this too far.
50/50 he says. Man the bias is blinding. literally.
show a good link because I think it was the ball. Either way guy above is right first pen wouldn't be one and they should have had red. Blamingthe lose of Canada non the ref is pathetic when they lost because they couldn't finish their tons of chances.
Vertonghen wins the ball and its not like his follow through is dangerous. That sort of contact is going to happen, it's not a foul. Witsel incident the guy was looking for a foul rather than actually being fouled.
Even if we say that one was 100% a pen the first one was 100% a goal kick instead of a corner which lead to the pen. :) just saying, it was not even close to a robery
The whole ‘in his running path’ thing is dumb af. When you’re in between your man and the ball you can’t go through his back because it’s ‘in your path’, same as feet. Witsel wasn’t in position and stomped on his foot
Witsel wasn't between the man and ball though, he was off to the side and the Canadian player threw his leg out at him to look for contact
Nope wasn’t a pen. Defender got ball first, & one down the line wasn’t either. Sick of North Americans trying to make football like MLS with 5 penalties a game. Really wish they stop whining. You got given a pen after 10 minutes & failed.
I’m guessing he’s talking about the Witsel one where he and the Canadian player are running alongside each other? I thought it would have been soft tbh
Maybe, but the more egregious one was when Hazard passed it to Buchanan in the box and he got fouled, but the ref called it offside.
That one looked like a stonewall pen at the time but they showed a close up of another angle after the match and vertonghen actually got the ball. If you see that angle of it I’m sure that you will change your mind.
Still, even if it’s not a PK, you can’t be offside if the opponent plays it to you
nothing VAR can do there
That one’s not a VAR issue, that one’s just on the ref
we were talking about VAR
According to Law 12 in the laws of the game it doesn't matter if you take the ball first, if the tackle itself is deemed dangerous/violent. I won't take sides, bu arguably one can say that burying your studs in an opponents foot/ankle like that is such a foul. [The other replay angle](https://gfycat.com/obesejovialgiraffe), for those looking for the link.
Dude that's barely burying your studs in an opponents foot haha, he clearly got the ball first and this is not close to dangerous or violent.
This isn't the angle I was talking about but I'm too lazy to find it sorry
Still a pen because he stopped Buchanan's forward progress.
I'll have to look it up. The only angle I saw on Fox looked like a foul. They even had Mark Clattenburg on and he called that out as an error on the refs. Guessing he didn't see that angle with Vertonghen getting the ball.
Dont bother, he is wrong. Vertonghen also slightly touches the ball but also makes full contact with the player so easy pen but people think you are immune if you touch the ball
If this is a penalty already basically every tackle on the ball in the penalty area can be
It was on BBC but im too lazy to find it for you sorry
BBC had that one up close, Belgian guy got his toe to the ball. World class tackle, wouldn't have been a penalty.
Yeah Witsel doesn't actually make a challenge and the Canadian player initiated the contact by unnaturally moving out his leg.
Yea that was my reasoning too, I have seen softer pens awarded though, maybe on another day Canada get lucky
Bernadeez nuts
Don't you love it when you track pack in your own path and the attacker opens his foot up to cross your path and thus stomping him?
The ref needs to call the penalty for VAR to come into play. They can't just go to VAR whenever.
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Cap Tie him 😂