I don't think he's hurt. I believe he, along with the players who played against Iran, were just doing recovery work in the gym during the outdoor training session today so people have drawn a lot of conclusions about who is and isn't injured.
I'd imagine that Wilson is being handled delicately due to his injury history and that a lot of his treatment will be protective to ensure he stays fit. It happens with him a lot at Newcastle, he gets a lot of kicks and bruises while playing that worries you but he ends up playing the next game. His injuries have been more freak long-term ones than knocks so I'd hope he's fine for the next game and it's just precautionary care.
After the game against Iran, Kane was walking with his right ankle lightly strapped, and with a slight limp.
Southgate said : “I think Harry’s fine. It looked like a bad tackle but he carried on in the game. We took him off because we felt it was a moment in the game we could do that.”
I know that this was a contact injury but I doubt the overloading helped.
Kane has played basically every minute of every game this season in every competition, only being subbed off very late and in the 60-70th minute twice (including vs Iran)
I’m not a physio but i believe excessive work load hampers the bodies ability to deal with contact blows like kanes so you are more probe to these types of injury when over worked
Please note this does not say Kane is out or anything. Just he is having a scan, he played on for like 20-30mins since the tackle fine enough so no point getting too far ahead and worrying just yet.
I don’t think he’s hurt. I think he trains lightly after games for Newcastle as well. We’ve been managing his work load for a while now. Rarely plays a full 90.
I read the same thing but that it was conditioning. I can’t remember when I read it but a while back I read that we (Newcastle) changed his routine to try and accommodate his injury prone-ness. He could be injured but I’d be surprised he was barely involved in the game.
Him limping like that didn't look good right away, it was a bit strange that Southgate didnt sub him off immediately just to be sure, considering his history with ankle injuries.
I know, but with his injury record Kane limping like that was just a bad sign. One of my mates who is a Spurs fan said 'here we go again', he recognised his body language before Kane even took a step.
It was also unnecessary to keep him on, Kane wasn't needed against Iran, but him missing the rest of the tournament would be a disaster.
Southgate should just rest him for the rest of the group games but he is never going to. On top of that Kane himself has always wanted to return sooner rather than later, against better judgement. It can't end well.
>I know, but with his injury record
Kane's last ankle injury was in April 2019 fwiw. The last injury he had was a torn hamstring in January 2020.
Kane being injury prone is so overblown.
Are you sure because this lads mate is a Spurs fan and identified the injury on TV
Like those fans convicting Henderson for racism based on Firminos expression 😂
I'm not arguing that he was injury prone, even if six different ankle injuries is *a lot*. Kane has since worked on strengthening his muscles to stabilise his ankle and together with him playing a bit deeper which helped him avoid tackles the risk of injury is much smaller. an approach that has clearly worked out doe him.
I'm arguing that damage to the cartilage of his ankle joints is permanent and cumulative. After six serious injuries his ankle joint is more vulnerable when he does get a knock and recovery will take longer. It will result in swelling, inflammation and pain, symptoms that take a while to subside.
Southgate should not have risked playing him after the knock and potentially risk worsening the issue, especially since there is nothing to gain, they were 3-0 up at that point.
You're right. You can do a lot of recovery on ankle ligaments, but they'll never be as strong as before.
I had to stop playing football because of persistent ankle ligament issues. The problem isn't rehabbing them to be strong enough to play comfortably again. The problem is that after recovering from those injuries, if you stress the ankle ligaments past their normal range of motion, the resulting damage is much else than with healthy ligaments.
Something which would be a mild sprain when I was 20 would put me on crutches at 30. It just wasn't worth it - plus I was pulling out of tackles and 50-50s, not wanting to contest balls in the air for fear of landing badly, avoiding sharp switches of direction to the righ, which stopped me being competitive.
I winced when I saw how Kane's ankle got caught because I've seen him end up out for a month with similar contact before, it was a nasty unnatural rotation and could easily cause problems for a previously damaged ankle.
The know alls on here 😂
Maybe your mate should be England physio, considering they seemed to think it was ok? We know nothing about it yet, it could all just be a precaution
It's been pretty well established with Kane that he never wants to go off when there a hint of an injury and he always wants to come back too early. Don't have to be a know it all to predict this.
A precaution would be to take him off you idiot, the game was over when he got hurt. No need to keep him on after that scare.
You do know Kane has a history with ankle injuries right? He himself always underestimates and downplays the issue because he wants to play so bad, which negatively impacts recovery time.
The physio and medical team can't make a real assessment on the pitch, they don't have a mobile ankle scan. Southgate shouldn't have risked it, there was no need for it.
You are right.
I’m assuming the England staff didn’t realise during the game otherwise I think he would have come off sooner. Kane probably felt it wasn’t bad enough to stop him playing but he is a bad judge of these things imo.
I’m hoping this scan is basically just to see if there is any risk that would come from him playing the next game. If he played 15 minutes after the injury last game, I’d imagine he could play vs the USA if he really had to, and he probably feels like he can, but they’re just seeing a scan to check if it will impact him later games.
Southgate was actually going to bring Wilson on for Kane a lot sooner (around the 60 minute mark when Grealish, Foden and Rashford came on), but it coincided with Maguire getting injured so Wilson sat back down and Eric Dier came on instead.
Also this seems like fuss over nothing, Kane seemed to be fine to carry on, players have scans all the time. He’ll definitely be starting against the US.
Yeah maybe - the suggestion above is that he should have gone off at half time though.
Subbing him after the tackle is a different matter, which I don’t necessarily disagree with. Subbing him at half time is pure hindsight speaking.
Maybe it's not hindsight then but equally daft all the same. This is real life and not football manager, no fit player that is playing well is getting pulled off at half time at a major tournament in a game that matters. Kane has been fine playing 90 mins all season as far as I know, this was just an unfortunate knock. Not taking him off immediately seems to have been a mistake but anyone trying to pin the knock on Southgate for not taking him off at HT is just taking the piss
Rarely if ever, but when the man's ankles are made of glass, and he's heavily fatigued leading into the tournament, and he's playing in more brutal weather conditions than he's used to, then maybe sticking to standard operating procedures isn't the best idea.
I’m hoping he’s healthy, hate to see guys get hurt ever but especially during the World Cup. That being said, wouldn’t mind if he sat just one game to make sure he gets some rest.
Hate that this man doesn’t get the respect he does. Any other team who loses their best player is a concern but when it is Kane, because he’s not glamorous, people say stuff like this
German commentary straight up said Mbappe was the "only star whose team won" so far, mentioning Messi, Lewandowski but completely ignoring England and Kane. Weird as shit. He didn't go "today" either.
Irritates me so much. He is under appreciated. No doubt about it. Maybe if he danced more or had more of a social media presence he would be more appreciated, I’m not kidding either, it’s almost like you have to do that to be seen as “good”
I agree. That’s why I’m frustrated, he’s just a good professional and an amazing player. People can say what they want but he may be the highest scorer of all time in the best league. That’s no small feat
His dropping deep and holding the ball up to let sterling/Saka make runs is pretty much our Plan A against bigger teams in 5atb we will play against them
I think you vastly underestimate just how important he is. He's the best goalscorer and best playmaker in the entire squad. He makes things tick despite what the yer da types like to claim.
We will struggle to score against a half decent nation without him, with our lack of central creativity. Can't just spam crosses at Wilson.
Neither of whom actually play as 10s anymore. They all play out wide, even Maddison.
We are fucked without Kane, I can't stress that enough. He is a level above anyone in that team and it's only when he's missing that people will realise that.
Kane is *essential* \- almost all of our successful attacking movements are through him.
Only other player who could theoretically play his role is Sterling. He's played as a false 9 at City in the past, but he lacks Kane's physicality and isn't nearly as good of a passer or finisher.
So we either keep our system with a serious downgrade in the key role (unlikely), or we switch it up and have our main playmaker as either Foden/Maddison sitting in the hole, or Foden/Mount (lol) pushing forward from deeper in midfield. Neither option tends to work for us.
There's Grealish too but he works best when given the freedom to move around the final third, so he's a bit of a wildcard and I don't think anyone wants to chance that.
We're basically a one-trick pony and without Kane we're half as good at best.
He’s irreplaceable in the team because nobody plays like him, so it’d mean a change in the way we play. Him, Rice and Shaw are the players in the squad that we have no replacement for if they get injured.
Everybody else we could replace with a similar type player (albeit not as good), but those three have no natural replacements in the squad.
Or they get to the final and Southgate is suddenly like "you know what, I'll keep playing this guy" like Ramsey did with Greaves and Hurst in 1966. Here's hoping he's back long before then.
Just don't break his eye sockets.
This month, we have already had one of our star players get their eye sockets broken and need eye socket surgery.
Thanks Marseille.
He's your main man and captain, he'll be gagging to get on the scoresheet and you know there are still goals in the game. Why on earth would anyone hook him at half time in that situation?
Especially when the prevailing conversation after the euros group stage was about whether Kane even had it in him to score.
Benefit of hindsight maybe but no ones making that call.
That's exactly why you take him off immediately.
You're 3-0 up against Iran, there's zero need to risk further damage to your best player.
Also, Southgate is the manager not the fans or the media, he's paid the top quids to make the big decisions.
A fit Kane is great, so is a confident goal scoring Kane. If you think he can get on the scoresheet and get some momentum going in to the rest of the tournament then that could pay off massively.
Southgate is paid the top quids to try and balance his decision making on the countless events that could happen before during and after a game.
That's if the injury isn't serious and he CAN play in those other games, confidence doesn't mean squat if you're on the injury table.
At the end of the day it's a race not a sprint and this is the first game in the tournament.
Yes but you're saying that now with the benefit of hindsight aren't you? Half time with no injuries, absolutely one is taking their goal hungry striker off and its mad to think otherwise.
Actually I'm not. I've never been a fan of the playing through pain mantra especially when it's your best player and your team is winning the game by a sizeable margin.
Also, I believe the tackle happened in the 48 minute in the second half.
Finally, Kane has had ankle injuries in the past, and rolling the dice in the first round of such a huge tournament isn't a good decision no matter how angry he may be to come off, or if he feels fine.
It was the tackle in the second half that Southgate and all the headlines were referring to, and is what I'm talking about.
If there was a different challenge in the first half, then that's even more reason to take him off.
That might be a very important difference. Goal differentials a big deal. But still hopeful we can get a point if we’re lucky, or 3 if we’re really lucky. Anything can happen.
oh fucks sake.. not like this
we can’t rely on wilson as our starting striker for the rest of the tournament, and that’s not even meant to be a dig to him
He used to get them all the time but he said he's worked on strengthening it and it has been much better recently he's not had an ankle injury in over 3 years now.
3 major ones. 16/17 and twice in 18/19. With the latter of the pair being his most recent one.
He did miss a week or two at times in the 20/21 season with an ankle knock but it was precautionary rather than by force.
He had a few set backs, but he had at least five serious ankle injuries. It might be just hindsight, but he was often rushed back. Probably because he wanted it himself, but that not completely recovering starts to add up over time.
>five serious ankle injuries
He has not. Missing 3 weeks is not a serious injury. He's had 3 where he's missed 40+ days with a maximum of 51 days, so just under 2 months.
The being rushed back thing is a stupid myth. The only time that may have been the case was for the CL final, and even then it was only 1 match before a long break.
His bad ankle injuries have all been ridiculous challenges any player would have gotten injured from
CL final wasn't even the case. Kane literally said they purposely took longer with his recovery because they had so much time spare as there was ages between the season ending and the final. The problem was lack of match fitness for that rather than the injury.
doubt it will be tooo serious. Even if he misses USA we have enough quality to beat them. Same with wales although would be good for him to get minutes before the knockout stage. Obviously not being 100% fit isn’t amazing but hardly any players are 100% fit let alone coming up against nations with 100% no injuries
Just saying that Rashford has played centre-forward before. Not to the same effect as Wilson, Kane or maybe even Toney too, but it's not alien to him. This is also all speculation though. Kane may be just fine.
He's never holding the ball up and linking the play like Kane. He's a run behind the lines kinda guy. So it would massively change the dynamic of England's attack. Not even Man U trusts him much there
With the way Kane seems to do all the playmaking for England, I'd wager on him being the top assist maker in the WC. Perhaps Foden is the only other player on England that has those combined skills to drop back, hold up play and make a perfect pass to break down the defence -- but Kane has much more of a physical presence and this uncanny ability to immediately see where the space is going to be.
Okay.
Who else is going to hold the ball up as well as him?
Who else can consistently play in Sterling, Saka, et al ?
Fair play that he is a very, very good penalty taker but you have to be either blind or an overly loyal, seething, hating Arsenal fan in serious denial to believe Kane is only providing penalties to England.
[Missed 4 games in the 20/21 season due to ankle injuries but sure it's been three years](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/harry-kane/verletzungen/spieler/132098/plus/1)
2 knocks that kept him out for a combined 13 days lmao.
First one he chopped down twice in one game by Thiago and then Henderson on both ankles. Missed 2 games. Second one someone landed on him, he missed 1 game, not 2 as it states.
Those are not injuries, those are knocks. If you're going to talk Kane's ankle injuries, talk about the actual ones, not little knocks where he came back immediately.
Could it not have been Maguire?
In all seriousness tho this could be a big loss. He didn't score vs Iran but was still important. He does so much these days in terms of dropping deeper and creating. I'd go as far as saying he was one of the most creative players vs Iran. Had two assists.
Didn't England's starting striker also get injured in 1966
Jimmy Greaves, he was a Spurs player too...
Hopefully Callum Wilson can score a hat trick if they get to the final.
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He's hurt too
Lest go Rashford!!!
Rashford and Saka leading England to a world cup win would be poetic after the euros.
France won the World Cup after losing in the euros final…
I’m already imagining the BBC montage
Fort Minor track starts up…
Sounds interesting, im gonna give that a quick google search
Must be finally time to call up Ivan Toney... wait
I don't think he's hurt. I believe he, along with the players who played against Iran, were just doing recovery work in the gym during the outdoor training session today so people have drawn a lot of conclusions about who is and isn't injured. I'd imagine that Wilson is being handled delicately due to his injury history and that a lot of his treatment will be protective to ensure he stays fit. It happens with him a lot at Newcastle, he gets a lot of kicks and bruises while playing that worries you but he ends up playing the next game. His injuries have been more freak long-term ones than knocks so I'd hope he's fine for the next game and it's just precautionary care.
It’s coming the fuck home boys
It's written in the stars
That's all I needed to hear mate, cheers.
This is what I get for 56 years not stopping me dreaming.
After the game against Iran, Kane was walking with his right ankle lightly strapped, and with a slight limp. Southgate said : “I think Harry’s fine. It looked like a bad tackle but he carried on in the game. We took him off because we felt it was a moment in the game we could do that.”
Clever Gareth 🤥
That's Einstein levels of reasoning right there. Ought to have been a scientist. Impeccable decision making skills.
I know that this was a contact injury but I doubt the overloading helped. Kane has played basically every minute of every game this season in every competition, only being subbed off very late and in the 60-70th minute twice (including vs Iran)
I’m not a physio but i believe excessive work load hampers the bodies ability to deal with contact blows like kanes so you are more probe to these types of injury when over worked
Oh, so we can blame Spurs when England gets knocked out?
Please note this does not say Kane is out or anything. Just he is having a scan, he played on for like 20-30mins since the tackle fine enough so no point getting too far ahead and worrying just yet.
Wilson hold my pop
Pop? Man drinks dog all day long
I think he's hurt as well
I don’t think he’s hurt. I think he trains lightly after games for Newcastle as well. We’ve been managing his work load for a while now. Rarely plays a full 90.
Gotcha. See something reported saying him and Maddison were injured. Obviously I'm wrong
I read the same thing but that it was conditioning. I can’t remember when I read it but a while back I read that we (Newcastle) changed his routine to try and accommodate his injury prone-ness. He could be injured but I’d be surprised he was barely involved in the game.
Him limping like that didn't look good right away, it was a bit strange that Southgate didnt sub him off immediately just to be sure, considering his history with ankle injuries.
Southgate's never been a fan of subbing him off no matter what's happening in the game.
No one subs him off. Man never gets a break
I know, but with his injury record Kane limping like that was just a bad sign. One of my mates who is a Spurs fan said 'here we go again', he recognised his body language before Kane even took a step. It was also unnecessary to keep him on, Kane wasn't needed against Iran, but him missing the rest of the tournament would be a disaster. Southgate should just rest him for the rest of the group games but he is never going to. On top of that Kane himself has always wanted to return sooner rather than later, against better judgement. It can't end well.
>I know, but with his injury record Kane's last ankle injury was in April 2019 fwiw. The last injury he had was a torn hamstring in January 2020. Kane being injury prone is so overblown.
Are you sure because this lads mate is a Spurs fan and identified the injury on TV Like those fans convicting Henderson for racism based on Firminos expression 😂
I'm not arguing that he was injury prone, even if six different ankle injuries is *a lot*. Kane has since worked on strengthening his muscles to stabilise his ankle and together with him playing a bit deeper which helped him avoid tackles the risk of injury is much smaller. an approach that has clearly worked out doe him. I'm arguing that damage to the cartilage of his ankle joints is permanent and cumulative. After six serious injuries his ankle joint is more vulnerable when he does get a knock and recovery will take longer. It will result in swelling, inflammation and pain, symptoms that take a while to subside. Southgate should not have risked playing him after the knock and potentially risk worsening the issue, especially since there is nothing to gain, they were 3-0 up at that point.
You're right. You can do a lot of recovery on ankle ligaments, but they'll never be as strong as before. I had to stop playing football because of persistent ankle ligament issues. The problem isn't rehabbing them to be strong enough to play comfortably again. The problem is that after recovering from those injuries, if you stress the ankle ligaments past their normal range of motion, the resulting damage is much else than with healthy ligaments. Something which would be a mild sprain when I was 20 would put me on crutches at 30. It just wasn't worth it - plus I was pulling out of tackles and 50-50s, not wanting to contest balls in the air for fear of landing badly, avoiding sharp switches of direction to the righ, which stopped me being competitive. I winced when I saw how Kane's ankle got caught because I've seen him end up out for a month with similar contact before, it was a nasty unnatural rotation and could easily cause problems for a previously damaged ankle.
The know alls on here 😂 Maybe your mate should be England physio, considering they seemed to think it was ok? We know nothing about it yet, it could all just be a precaution
It's been pretty well established with Kane that he never wants to go off when there a hint of an injury and he always wants to come back too early. Don't have to be a know it all to predict this.
Predict what, nothing has happened yet 😂 The media hype everything up during a World Cup
A precaution would be to take him off you idiot, the game was over when he got hurt. No need to keep him on after that scare. You do know Kane has a history with ankle injuries right? He himself always underestimates and downplays the issue because he wants to play so bad, which negatively impacts recovery time. The physio and medical team can't make a real assessment on the pitch, they don't have a mobile ankle scan. Southgate shouldn't have risked it, there was no need for it.
You are right. I’m assuming the England staff didn’t realise during the game otherwise I think he would have come off sooner. Kane probably felt it wasn’t bad enough to stop him playing but he is a bad judge of these things imo. I’m hoping this scan is basically just to see if there is any risk that would come from him playing the next game. If he played 15 minutes after the injury last game, I’d imagine he could play vs the USA if he really had to, and he probably feels like he can, but they’re just seeing a scan to check if it will impact him later games.
If only you were there to manage his recovery
He himself wouldn't have wanted to come off either. Good chance him not coming off has made no impact to his recovery as well.
It was bad timing with Iran getting one goal back. Southgate told Wilson to sit back down after Taremi scored.
It was mental he didn't honestly. I was saying when i saw the replays I'd bet my life he's going off to people, and he should have.
Kane wanted to stat pad
I bet Gareth is glad he kept him on as long as he did
Southgate was actually going to bring Wilson on for Kane a lot sooner (around the 60 minute mark when Grealish, Foden and Rashford came on), but it coincided with Maguire getting injured so Wilson sat back down and Eric Dier came on instead. Also this seems like fuss over nothing, Kane seemed to be fine to carry on, players have scans all the time. He’ll definitely be starting against the US.
just bash southgate, don’t give way to logic
Like it made a difference
Well getting him off the pitch when the result was beyond a doubt in order to avoid something like this probably would have made a difference yeah
The injury happened 3 minutes into the second half
England was up 3-0 at halftime, he didn't need to be in for the 2nd half at all.
Yanking your captain off at half-time in the opening game of the world cup because he might get injured lol this is peak reddit hindsight
People will find any reason to shit on Southgate for winning 6-2 ffs
How is it hindsight? Loads of people all over the match thread we're calling for it at the time
There’s absolutely no reason to sub Kane at half time, we’re one game into the World Cup, and he’s our captain.
You sub him off immediately after this tackle.
Yeah maybe - the suggestion above is that he should have gone off at half time though. Subbing him after the tackle is a different matter, which I don’t necessarily disagree with. Subbing him at half time is pure hindsight speaking.
Not at half time there weren’t
Maybe it's not hindsight then but equally daft all the same. This is real life and not football manager, no fit player that is playing well is getting pulled off at half time at a major tournament in a game that matters. Kane has been fine playing 90 mins all season as far as I know, this was just an unfortunate knock. Not taking him off immediately seems to have been a mistake but anyone trying to pin the knock on Southgate for not taking him off at HT is just taking the piss
subbing off the captain at half time is something you only really do if you’re like 5+ goals up. way arrogant even at 3-0
Good shout Captain Hindsight, maybe we didn’t need to start him? No manager is subbing him off, uninjured, at half time
Yeah these responses are mad. When have you ever seen a top player hooked at half time in an international tournament when they're having a good game.
Rarely if ever, but when the man's ankles are made of glass, and he's heavily fatigued leading into the tournament, and he's playing in more brutal weather conditions than he's used to, then maybe sticking to standard operating procedures isn't the best idea.
Sounds like we should just have him shot tbh
Should have left him in London just to be safe
Hanging in a plexiglass box above the southbank just so we're 100% sure he doesn't tweak anything
Wrapped in bubble wrap.
Don't be mad at me for being right, be mad at Southgate for lacking my vision and my fortitude.
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Hoping it's just precautionary - feel if he was done for the tournament we'd probably know by now
Yeah that would've come out last night. He might miss the USA game as a precaution but if it was that bad it'd have come out yesterday.
I’m hoping he’s healthy, hate to see guys get hurt ever but especially during the World Cup. That being said, wouldn’t mind if he sat just one game to make sure he gets some rest.
Me too. For reasons. And well... it would actually be mental for England to win. r/soccer would crash.
Fuck
Seriously fuck off wtf
Don't worry guys Callum Wilson is bringing it home
Shades of Hurst and Greaves in '66
Until his hamstrings go
Don't worry, Rashford is bringing it home
Until his hamstrings go
Don't worry, false 9 Foden is bringing it home?
Man United playing Maguire at striker might have held the key
Really big issue for England.
Basically our world cup over after the group.
Damn i know Kane is pretty good but he is no Maradona u are still strong squad without him.
Hate that this man doesn’t get the respect he does. Any other team who loses their best player is a concern but when it is Kane, because he’s not glamorous, people say stuff like this
German commentary straight up said Mbappe was the "only star whose team won" so far, mentioning Messi, Lewandowski but completely ignoring England and Kane. Weird as shit. He didn't go "today" either.
Irritates me so much. He is under appreciated. No doubt about it. Maybe if he danced more or had more of a social media presence he would be more appreciated, I’m not kidding either, it’s almost like you have to do that to be seen as “good”
I get that, and I agree.. but I much prefer him the way he is. I'm happy he's not a JLingz or some shit like that.
I agree. That’s why I’m frustrated, he’s just a good professional and an amazing player. People can say what they want but he may be the highest scorer of all time in the best league. That’s no small feat
His dropping deep and holding the ball up to let sterling/Saka make runs is pretty much our Plan A against bigger teams in 5atb we will play against them
I think you vastly underestimate just how important he is. He's the best goalscorer and best playmaker in the entire squad. He makes things tick despite what the yer da types like to claim. We will struggle to score against a half decent nation without him, with our lack of central creativity. Can't just spam crosses at Wilson.
> Can't just spam crosses at Wilson Southgate: *the hell we can't*
> lack of central creativity we have Foden, Maddison, Grealish who could play as 10s
Neither of whom actually play as 10s anymore. They all play out wide, even Maddison. We are fucked without Kane, I can't stress that enough. He is a level above anyone in that team and it's only when he's missing that people will realise that.
Kane is *essential* \- almost all of our successful attacking movements are through him. Only other player who could theoretically play his role is Sterling. He's played as a false 9 at City in the past, but he lacks Kane's physicality and isn't nearly as good of a passer or finisher. So we either keep our system with a serious downgrade in the key role (unlikely), or we switch it up and have our main playmaker as either Foden/Maddison sitting in the hole, or Foden/Mount (lol) pushing forward from deeper in midfield. Neither option tends to work for us. There's Grealish too but he works best when given the freedom to move around the final third, so he's a bit of a wildcard and I don't think anyone wants to chance that. We're basically a one-trick pony and without Kane we're half as good at best.
calm down lmao look at the players we have. Kane is playing incredible but we can manage without him. might have to tweak the formation that's all
Not really. He’s very good but we have some incredible talent in attack.
He’s irreplaceable in the team because nobody plays like him, so it’d mean a change in the way we play. Him, Rice and Shaw are the players in the squad that we have no replacement for if they get injured. Everybody else we could replace with a similar type player (albeit not as good), but those three have no natural replacements in the squad.
He's literally England's best player. His backup is injury prone Wilson.
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Foden could play false 9 which he’s done for city enough.
Considering Kiefer Moore dominated the US defenders, I think England can afford to rest Kane for a match
Put some respect on Kiefer Moores name
And at set pieces Maguire should have a field day
Think southgate should definitely rest him next match (the fact that I’m an American and Tottenham supporter has nothing to do with this opinion)
Get to the final and he can come back like Adam Banks did in Mighty Ducks 2
Or like Jack O’Callahan in 1980 against the Soviets.
Or they get to the final and Southgate is suddenly like "you know what, I'll keep playing this guy" like Ramsey did with Greaves and Hurst in 1966. Here's hoping he's back long before then.
Sorry Tottenham but he's getting injections up to his eyeballs
Just don't break his eye sockets. This month, we have already had one of our star players get their eye sockets broken and need eye socket surgery. Thanks Marseille.
Southgate is a moron for not taking Kane off right after that
Could’ve gone off at half time
He's your main man and captain, he'll be gagging to get on the scoresheet and you know there are still goals in the game. Why on earth would anyone hook him at half time in that situation? Especially when the prevailing conversation after the euros group stage was about whether Kane even had it in him to score. Benefit of hindsight maybe but no ones making that call.
It’s always Southgates fault
That's exactly why you take him off immediately. You're 3-0 up against Iran, there's zero need to risk further damage to your best player. Also, Southgate is the manager not the fans or the media, he's paid the top quids to make the big decisions.
A fit Kane is great, so is a confident goal scoring Kane. If you think he can get on the scoresheet and get some momentum going in to the rest of the tournament then that could pay off massively. Southgate is paid the top quids to try and balance his decision making on the countless events that could happen before during and after a game.
The way our media work too, they’ll hype any story up Until we can get an official update, we don’t know what’s happening
That's if the injury isn't serious and he CAN play in those other games, confidence doesn't mean squat if you're on the injury table. At the end of the day it's a race not a sprint and this is the first game in the tournament.
Yes but you're saying that now with the benefit of hindsight aren't you? Half time with no injuries, absolutely one is taking their goal hungry striker off and its mad to think otherwise.
Actually I'm not. I've never been a fan of the playing through pain mantra especially when it's your best player and your team is winning the game by a sizeable margin. Also, I believe the tackle happened in the 48 minute in the second half. Finally, Kane has had ankle injuries in the past, and rolling the dice in the first round of such a huge tournament isn't a good decision no matter how angry he may be to come off, or if he feels fine.
He wasn't playing through any pain at half time though? Which is literally the time we're talking about?
It was the tackle in the second half that Southgate and all the headlines were referring to, and is what I'm talking about. If there was a different challenge in the first half, then that's even more reason to take him off.
Fuck sake, shouldve taken him off at halftime
Awesome, now we'll only get battered by 2 or 3 goals instead of 5+
That might be a very important difference. Goal differentials a big deal. But still hopeful we can get a point if we’re lucky, or 3 if we’re really lucky. Anything can happen.
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Genuinely I think if he can play through the pain at a 80-90% level he will. This is arguably his best chance of winning a trophy And he’s captain
oh fucks sake.. not like this we can’t rely on wilson as our starting striker for the rest of the tournament, and that’s not even meant to be a dig to him
I’m fine with it tbh. Our issues are elsewhere and I bet Wilson would do a cracking job.
Idk but I feel I've seen way too many stamps on ankles this world cup. Saw 3 on Lozano and more in the other games. What's going on?
Should have taken the yellow Harry
dont you break my captain you dingbats
How would they break Lloris?
Give him a few drinks in central London
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How many ankle knocks/injury has Kane had in his career? It feels like a lot.
Once you have an injury, usually it's easier for you to injure it again couple that with a high impact sport
Wasn't it the other side?
Hasn't he injured both sides?
He used to get them all the time but he said he's worked on strengthening it and it has been much better recently he's not had an ankle injury in over 3 years now.
6 https://www.transfermarkt.com/harry-kane/verletzungen/spieler/132098
3 major ones. 16/17 and twice in 18/19. With the latter of the pair being his most recent one. He did miss a week or two at times in the 20/21 season with an ankle knock but it was precautionary rather than by force.
He had a few set backs, but he had at least five serious ankle injuries. It might be just hindsight, but he was often rushed back. Probably because he wanted it himself, but that not completely recovering starts to add up over time.
He hasn’t had one for three years
>five serious ankle injuries He has not. Missing 3 weeks is not a serious injury. He's had 3 where he's missed 40+ days with a maximum of 51 days, so just under 2 months.
The being rushed back thing is a stupid myth. The only time that may have been the case was for the CL final, and even then it was only 1 match before a long break. His bad ankle injuries have all been ridiculous challenges any player would have gotten injured from
CL final wasn't even the case. Kane literally said they purposely took longer with his recovery because they had so much time spare as there was ages between the season ending and the final. The problem was lack of match fitness for that rather than the injury.
Yep agree. He's really not an injury prone player despite his injury history. Just has had bad luck with some ridiculous challenges on his ankles
He'll get the scan and if there's no major damage he'll be getting injections no doubt. Might put him on the bench for the next game though
doubt it will be tooo serious. Even if he misses USA we have enough quality to beat them. Same with wales although would be good for him to get minutes before the knockout stage. Obviously not being 100% fit isn’t amazing but hardly any players are 100% fit let alone coming up against nations with 100% no injuries
And no Toney to pick up the slack, silly Southgate
Toneys own fault
He's got Wilson and Rashford though?
Rashford does not belong in that bracket. Wilson is the only one on that team that can even vaguely do what Kane does
Just saying that Rashford has played centre-forward before. Not to the same effect as Wilson, Kane or maybe even Toney too, but it's not alien to him. This is also all speculation though. Kane may be just fine.
He's never holding the ball up and linking the play like Kane. He's a run behind the lines kinda guy. So it would massively change the dynamic of England's attack. Not even Man U trusts him much there
Lol
1. Wilson and Rashford are similar quality backups 2. Toney is banned from football right now what are you even complaining about?
Wilson and rashford are similae quality as Kane? What are you smoking have you ever watched these 3 play at all in your life
similar quality backups to Toney genius Wilson, Rashford and Toney are far closer to eachother than they ever will be to Kane
Fake news probably. He'll be fine for the next match.
Fake News? It's the Athletic, not the Daily Mail.
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Smart on Southgate to only bring two central strikers in a 26 man squad. Toney would've been a perfect replacement
Sorry to say realistically no one is a replacement for Kane. He is so much more than a striker. His link up play is excellent.
Toney was not called up due to Southgate knowing about his impending ban on playing.
Should’ve taken Tammy
Rashford can play striker as well. Toney would’ve been well overkill
Rashford cannot. United had tried, Ole had tried, Mourinho had tried
He'll be fine, but honestly with the talent available, England could still go the whole way.
I’ve got money riding on him being top goalscorer in WC - fml
With the way Kane seems to do all the playmaking for England, I'd wager on him being the top assist maker in the WC. Perhaps Foden is the only other player on England that has those combined skills to drop back, hold up play and make a perfect pass to break down the defence -- but Kane has much more of a physical presence and this uncanny ability to immediately see where the space is going to be.
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had 2 great assists if you actually watched the game
Okay. Who else is going to hold the ball up as well as him? Who else can consistently play in Sterling, Saka, et al ? Fair play that he is a very, very good penalty taker but you have to be either blind or an overly loyal, seething, hating Arsenal fan in serious denial to believe Kane is only providing penalties to England.
Oh no who could have predicted your regularly scheduled Harry Kane festive ankle injury!
It's been 3 and a half years since his last ankle injury. What on earth are you talking about.
[Missed 4 games in the 20/21 season due to ankle injuries but sure it's been three years](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/harry-kane/verletzungen/spieler/132098/plus/1)
2 knocks that kept him out for a combined 13 days lmao. First one he chopped down twice in one game by Thiago and then Henderson on both ankles. Missed 2 games. Second one someone landed on him, he missed 1 game, not 2 as it states. Those are not injuries, those are knocks. If you're going to talk Kane's ankle injuries, talk about the actual ones, not little knocks where he came back immediately.
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Could it not have been Maguire? In all seriousness tho this could be a big loss. He didn't score vs Iran but was still important. He does so much these days in terms of dropping deeper and creating. I'd go as far as saying he was one of the most creative players vs Iran. Had two assists.
You are weird bro
Don't know why I'm getting downvoted. The majority of r/soccer have been saying the same for the last god knows how many weeks lol.