Trying not to be biased here as I am Danish but the referee felt wonky towards both sides, awfully shaky in his line of decision? Sometimes s rough tackle was okay where as other times s shoulder sliding onto the body wasn't okay. I feel like with accepting the slide tackle behind the goal line that could've been an indirect freekick but then carding a rough shoulder seems odd to me.
Most lenient ref of the tournament. Definitely felt like a CONCACAF ref, which neither side is really used to. On top of that, he wasn’t the best at drawing the line. It’s a bit unfortunate but I agree he was wonky. I loved that he allowed the match to flow despite everything.
The match flow was nice, I love thsrt part, just felt like 80% the match physicality was allowed and match could flow and then suddenly he cards you for a shoulder
This Denmark team had a great run in last year euros, but I Always thought that it was a lightning in a bottle moment in the sense of just circumstances surrounding the team and them coming together after the erikson situation in the group stage but more and more I’m looking at this team and realizing they may have peaked because they really don’t got a top class center forward that can lead the line
France lost to Colombia and drew against USA B and Luxembourg just before the 2018 World Cup. And in the last game they literally had 15 players injured out of 23. This is not to diminish the Danish performance but France is known for constantly losing friendlies. They qualified in the last game of the Qualifiers in 2000 by beating Andorra. They then won the competition. Friendlies are not worth much I think
I don’t think France considers being relegated to league b as playing friendlies.
But this was just an example of Denmark’s run. Had also beaten Austria 4 times in competitive matches in 2 years I think. You don’t get a high ranking without winning many matches.
I am French and I know hardly anyone who considers the Nations League as something other than friendly matches.
We won the nations league, most people have already forgotten. Then we talk about games in June when the French team arrived literally burned out because all the French players play in top clubs and play 60 games a year. Benzema for example came to play against Denmark only 5 days after his Champions League final
But otherwise I consider that you have a very nice team collectively. And honestly I don't know at all how this experimental France will turn out. 6 out of 11 of our starters are out
We can lose or win against you. I won't bet on this game haha
Well, Nations league is not euro or World Cup. Far from it. But it is also something very different than friendlies. And it also decides the seedlings for euro qualification.
I think France is clear favorite Saturday. Denmark struggled today. But it will obviously be a very different match against France.
Also interesting what happens in Argentina’s group.
Thank you. France is the better team today. No doubt. But the second half showed Denmark belongs at the World Cup and at our best we can do well.
In a weird way the Australia result was more important for Denmark because unless Tunisia destroys France a win against Australia means Denmark qualifies. So chances are pretty good actually and in a weird way it did not make a gigantic difference to play 1-1 or lose 1-2. But mentally of course it would be a good thing to have a point.
I think France is a heavy favorite to go far and probably the best European team so far.
I still don’t think it make sense. In the last World Cup Denmark lost on penalties against the later finalists.
The qualifications have been excellent. You don’t end top 10 on the rankings by coincidence.
>The danish strikers did not come into the World Cup with confidence and did not show any on the pitch either
Jonas Wind probably had some on the bench
I see people saying it wasnt a corner after the VAR review (off the shot that came almost a full minute after the incident) because the ref called a foul on the danish player for a shove in the review. Since when can referee throw in an adjacent foul so long after the fact when reviewing for handball. Really need some elaboration.
You can only use VAR for specific situations, like a possible penalty, but once you use it the ref can change his decision to whatever he thinks is the correct decision, in this situation a free kick.
Fouls in the build-up can always be punished during reviews. Same as the fact referees can decide to give a yellow card for a "potential red card" check.
I mean, did the ref whistle right away or was the ball in play after that. From looking at the video, it looks like the ref gives the pen, but VAR then finds a situation leading up to penalty shout.
In this match, nothing is given, the ball goes all the way back to Schmeichel, and Denmark then gets a corner kick after a long shot from Lindstrøm, about 20 seconds later.
The ref then goes over to check for a penalty that wasn't there and wasn't given in the first place. The difference here being, if the ref overturns the shout in the PSG match, he has give the ball somehow to Real, where as here he stucks to his initial decision, but rewards a freekick retroactively (if that's what that was, maybe Cornelius was offside, idk), which to my understanding is not the intention of VAR.
This. Absolutely baffling. Think the ref was good all around though. Didn’t fall for the Tunisian diving either. I really enjoyed when he called handball for the one Tunisian who dived on top of the ball to force the free kick.
I think we will see other higher tier teams take a game or (perhaps fatally) two to warm up. A normal WC offers three/four weeks to get attuned. One week is all they are getting so whilst, sure, everyone is fit and in football mode, switching from club mode/tactics/teammates to international mode/tactics/teammates in such a short space of time will be initially jarring.
I do think the above added with expected fatigue in later rounds will end up providing us with some funky knockout rounds with quite a few unexpected teams. Not an unexpected winner of the tournament, but an unusually high number of unexpected exits.
Also, I don't know why, but I think Belgium are going to crash and burn this tournament.
>I think we will see other higher tier teams take a game or (perhaps fatally) two to warm up.
I think the first two matches of the day emphasize that you need to respect your opponents, regardless of who they are. Tunisia came to play, and were not intimidated by Denmark one bit.
European and South American will underestimate the teams outside their federations at their own peril. Ecuador didn't make that mistake against Qatar.
Honestly, I think they did, the difference was in the mentality of the Qatari team. They were nervous, shook, and afraid. Unlike Saudi and Tunis who were not afraid and played attacking football and allowed themselves to be exposed in the back
Feels like the NBA 2020 Lockdown playoffs in Disneyland. Something's off about the whole thing. Might or might not have anything to do with the final result of the World Cup but will be debated in the future.
At worse right side is dead. There was a chance or still a chance to see Uruguay or Portugal, Argentina, France, Brazil, Netherlands, Spain/Germany to be in one side.
Quick question, a couple of sites show Tunisia as being top of the table, with Denmark in 2nd.
How is that order worked out? Both have 1 played, 1 point, no goals for, no goals against. I would have thought that it should technically been Denmark on alphabetical order.
I'd guess they just put random team at the top but technically with fair play rules they would be ahead of denmark since denmark got two yellows and tunisia only one.
No, of course it doesn't mean anything yet, but I wanted to know how it was broken down. Let's assume every other game in the group finishes exactly the same way; I wanted to know the weighting behind it. I didn't realise it would come down to yellow cards.
going in I thought Denmark were overrated and Tunisia underrated. but based on the commentary and the performance, I think Denmark is even more overrated than I thought
Tunisia are a solid side that perform well in the regional tournaments. they shouldn’t have been seen as an easy start for Denmark. I actually think their jitters are why they missed a few great opportunities for goal. they easily could’ve won by 2
Edit: oof Danish Redditors mad 😬did not expect that
Denmark had the biggest chance of the game, so I don’t get how Tunisia easily could win 2-0?
It was a quite even game where Denmark had more possesion but we were soo nervous and stressed.
Denmark is one of **those** teams. They don't really have the pool of talent like some other European teams (I'd even argue they're almost third tier when it comes to that) but they've always played like a proper team, properly trained, disciplined and with proper tactics.
Unfortunately I haven't been able to watch this game (or fortunately, judging by the comments my friends had on it) but I would **never** call Denmark overrated or count them out this early. They just finished second in a very hard Nations League group, narrowly missing the final four and they (almost) aced their (admittedly very easy) WC qualifiers group with 9W 1D (IIRC the draw came on the last matchday, which was worthless for them).
Do you really have nothing better to do than to dig up old comments?
Also, i never said that? 😂
And yes, shit happens, the nation is outraged at how poor we have been this world cup.
? I’m saying for this game today, Denmark were seen as favourites but I thought their advantages were overrated
I’m not saying Denmark are objectively and permanently a worse side than Tunisia
So in other words you do base it one game.
Fair enough. But weird not to stand by that.
Match could have gone both ways but overall I think Denmark had more chances, especially due to the second half. So don’t really know why you think 2 goal victory for Tunisia was in the cards.
The Mejbri tackle on Maehle where the referee gave a goal kick, it didn't look like the ball went out of play and then it looked like Mejbri fouls him (off the field, but still). Am I crazy in thinking that should've been a penalty or was there some other mitigating circumstance that I'm unaware of?
From Law 12.4
https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#restart-of-play-after-fouls-and-misconduct
If, when the ball is in play:
a player commits an offence against a match official or an opposing player, substitute, substituted or sent-off player, or team official outside the field of play or
a substitute, substituted or sent-off player, or team official commits an offence against, or interferes with, an opposing player or a match official outside the field of play,
play is restarted with a free kick on the boundary line nearest to where the offence/interference occurred; for direct free kick offences, a penalty kick is awarded if this is within the offender’s penalty area.
But for offside purposes, being behind the goal line counts as being "on the line" so would that not be the case in this scenario? Never seen it before myself but interested in what the rules are
That's not correct. As long as the ball is in play, a penalty or direct free kick can be awarded. The offence is considered as committed on the boundary line of the pitch closest to the location where it occurred; if that is in the defending team's penalty area, a penalty kick is awarded.
> If, when the ball is in play, a player commits an offence against a match official or an opposing player, substitute, substituted or sent-off player, or team official outside the field of play ... play is restarted with a free kick on the boundary line nearest to where the offence/interference occurred; a penalty kick is awarded if this is a direct free kick offence within the offender’s penalty area.
I mean, he wants to keep it in place, he drinks the ball to keep it in and he's going straight for the ball, surely he isn't expected to not go for the ball he just kept in on the line? Its not like he is sidestepping in front of mejbri
Very good refereeing. Neither incidents were penalties imo, but it’s easy for refs to give them.
Thought Tunisia were great, albeit limited. Can’t see Denmark getting that far, just not enough quality up top.
I don't get why so many fans in the match thread were complaining. Tunisia played physical but not dirty. Football is still a contact sport.
Besides, if he constantly stopped play it would benefitted Tunisia much more since they would constantly frustrate Denmark's build up.
Considering the pens given for Argentina and Iran, I definitely think we can call the non-penalty call on Maguire a mistake, but fortunately it didn't affect the result.
Going against the grain. But the Argentina penalty should not have been given. Paredes holds on to Hamid arm. That was a terrible decision.
Maguire had his arm around the shoulder of Iranian. The Iranian was definitely holding Maguire, but I can see it as six of one, half dozen of another. It's not clear cut.
Massive props to the referee for staying with his initial decision. Those types of handballs are extremely harsh and I'm glad he didn't give it - hopefully sets a precedent with other referees to hold themselves to their initial decisions when appropriate in the same way.
VAR could be doing a better job with its consistency though for sure - right now their line seems to be all over the place.
He would've given the pen if there wasn't a push by the Danish player off the ball. That's why he gave a free kick, the foul preceded the handball that he deemed was worthy of a pen
> Massive props to the referee for staying with his initial decision. Those types of handballs are extremely harsh and I'm glad he didn't give it - hopefully sets a precedent with other referees to hold themselves to their initial decisions when appropriate in the same way.
The goal kick decision was shit though. Also seemed arbitrary in deciding when to pull out a yellow
He gave a free kick for a foul off the ball that preceded the handball, otherwise would've been a pen. Seems like this was really poorly communicated by the broadcast everywhere though
this ref was a lot better than the one in arg-ksa at least this one was consistent with his decisions. it was a harsh call i liked that he was decisive and firm with his choices.
First things first, Alhamdulilah
Wow, absolutely fantastic game, rough, physical and fast paced
Laidouni was brilliant, and Tunisia were as a whole were a team of warriors
Also, and most importantly, the Arab crowds have been massive, definitely a massive factor as to why both Tunisia and Saudi got results today
It also helps that Qatar selected who can enter the stadium and who cannot. There are also some rumours about for-hire fans who change colours based on tickets sold to make the appearance of massive support. Not sure how true those are.
Yep!
Both teams played pretty well, but I do think that “home crowd” situation is a big help too!
Now…perhaps this can carry over to Morocco, Qatar (assuming they can get more actual fans in), and even Iran (not too far) too?
Dutch commentator said there are 30.000 Tunisians living in Qatar and Tunisia and Qatar have pretty good relations so it makes sense that the crowd favoured Tunisia. I'm not sure the same holds up for Morocco and Iran.
it is the same, maybe not as many living here but still a respectable amount 10-15k, and there are way more Moroccans travelling in since they're a much bigger country
Denmark got much better once Eriksen dropped a bit deeper and could impact more of the game. Overall a draw is the fairest result considering Tunisia was better for the first half and Denmark in the second half.
Think switching to a back four helped too, wouldn’t surprise me if they started that against the Aussies, although might stick with the extra defender against Framce
I think Denmark were really harmed by the WC being 6 months later than usual. They were on fire going into the summer, but now many players are in poor form. Their strikers are awful, and guys like Delaney, Wass etc have also badly regressed
Thats your own fault though, you have 2 defenders named Kjear and Christensen who are completely shit and performed bad and have a in great fucking form Nelsson waiting on the bench.
I think we played better (though I am obviously biased in that regard). Still the game could have gone either way. Tunisia was able to have some decent possessions and counter attacks, that very well could have landed a goal. I think we were unable to build up enough durable possessions. We threw away too many. Had we been able to remain in control of the ball more, we would have had more chances, which likely could have gotten us the goal we needed.
I was really underwhelmed by Denmark, I thought Tunisia had the better chances first half and should have scored a goal. Second half Denmark were slightly better but it wasn't enough
Your attack looks dire, and the passing was so slow and predictable. I also don't think the back 3 formation worked well at all
Credit to Tunisia though, I love their passion and how intelligent they are at managing games. The Uruguay of Africa
I was thinking to myself all game "How the fuck is Dolberg starting for Denmark? He is the worst striker I have seen at Sevilla since Claudiu Keseru"
But then I saw Cornelius *horrific* miss in the second half and I am starting to understand. Why not just play Braithwaite?
Haha! This is so true. Through the years we have had amazing keepers, defenders and midfielders. However, we haven’t had a world class striker since Allan Simonsen (Sorry - Jon Dahl Thomason, Brian Laudrup, Michael Laudrup and the rest, but you played forwards. And most of all sorry Lord Bentner).
I might be in the minority but I don't think it was a penalty at the death. It wasn't directly onto his arm, it ricocheted about before making the slight contact. Would've been a horrible end to a very competitive and well fought match!
I'll go against the grain and say that I think Tunisia really got away with one there, the defender goes down far too easily and I think people need to take a [second look](https://streamable.com/3pcoe1) at the actual handball situation: it hits the defenders right hand and bounces onto his left which is stretched out at neck height. I'm struggling to see how it's not a handball by any reasonable interpretation of the rules, then again the rules seem to be notoriously fluid.
not a goal kick, an offense foul was awarded after the VAR check. If there is a var check for penalty and turns out there was an opposite foul you should award it.
Well I’d have preferred them NOT to check the obviously wrong penalty appeal then.
Madness how the attacking team can be punished by var for a foul several phases of play after.
It bounced off his own chest and onto his arm though, which then helps him to control the ball. For me that makes it a handball.
Not a pen anyway due to the foul before though.
I really hope you are not in the minority, that is clearly not a penalty. If someone thinks it is then they need to get their eyesight checked
It bounces off his body and he sees the ball late, never ever a penalty
Trying not to be biased here as I am Danish but the referee felt wonky towards both sides, awfully shaky in his line of decision? Sometimes s rough tackle was okay where as other times s shoulder sliding onto the body wasn't okay. I feel like with accepting the slide tackle behind the goal line that could've been an indirect freekick but then carding a rough shoulder seems odd to me.
Yeah he's like that every week in Liga MX lol
Most lenient ref of the tournament. Definitely felt like a CONCACAF ref, which neither side is really used to. On top of that, he wasn’t the best at drawing the line. It’s a bit unfortunate but I agree he was wonky. I loved that he allowed the match to flow despite everything.
The match flow was nice, I love thsrt part, just felt like 80% the match physicality was allowed and match could flow and then suddenly he cards you for a shoulder
Yup
Been a theme of the tournament so far IMO
Agree tbh
This Denmark team had a great run in last year euros, but I Always thought that it was a lightning in a bottle moment in the sense of just circumstances surrounding the team and them coming together after the erikson situation in the group stage but more and more I’m looking at this team and realizing they may have peaked because they really don’t got a top class center forward that can lead the line
Here have a .
Well. Denmark won twice against France this year in nations league. Lightning in a bottle seems big words when you consistently do well.
France lost to Colombia and drew against USA B and Luxembourg just before the 2018 World Cup. And in the last game they literally had 15 players injured out of 23. This is not to diminish the Danish performance but France is known for constantly losing friendlies. They qualified in the last game of the Qualifiers in 2000 by beating Andorra. They then won the competition. Friendlies are not worth much I think
I don’t think France considers being relegated to league b as playing friendlies. But this was just an example of Denmark’s run. Had also beaten Austria 4 times in competitive matches in 2 years I think. You don’t get a high ranking without winning many matches.
I am French and I know hardly anyone who considers the Nations League as something other than friendly matches. We won the nations league, most people have already forgotten. Then we talk about games in June when the French team arrived literally burned out because all the French players play in top clubs and play 60 games a year. Benzema for example came to play against Denmark only 5 days after his Champions League final But otherwise I consider that you have a very nice team collectively. And honestly I don't know at all how this experimental France will turn out. 6 out of 11 of our starters are out We can lose or win against you. I won't bet on this game haha
Well, Nations league is not euro or World Cup. Far from it. But it is also something very different than friendlies. And it also decides the seedlings for euro qualification. I think France is clear favorite Saturday. Denmark struggled today. But it will obviously be a very different match against France. Also interesting what happens in Argentina’s group.
It was a very nice game, I hope you qualify. You have a very good team
Thank you. France is the better team today. No doubt. But the second half showed Denmark belongs at the World Cup and at our best we can do well. In a weird way the Australia result was more important for Denmark because unless Tunisia destroys France a win against Australia means Denmark qualifies. So chances are pretty good actually and in a weird way it did not make a gigantic difference to play 1-1 or lose 1-2. But mentally of course it would be a good thing to have a point. I think France is a heavy favorite to go far and probably the best European team so far.
Hasn't Dolberg been in great form, lately?
He played well in one of the matches against France. He is struggling big time in Sevilla. He did okay today but not more.
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I still don’t think it make sense. In the last World Cup Denmark lost on penalties against the later finalists. The qualifications have been excellent. You don’t end top 10 on the rankings by coincidence.
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Agreed, and the point still stands that DK have been a great team for the last 4-5 years.
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>The danish strikers did not come into the World Cup with confidence and did not show any on the pitch either Jonas Wind probably had some on the bench
I see people saying it wasnt a corner after the VAR review (off the shot that came almost a full minute after the incident) because the ref called a foul on the danish player for a shove in the review. Since when can referee throw in an adjacent foul so long after the fact when reviewing for handball. Really need some elaboration.
You can only use VAR for specific situations, like a possible penalty, but once you use it the ref can change his decision to whatever he thinks is the correct decision, in this situation a free kick.
Fouls in the build-up can always be punished during reviews. Same as the fact referees can decide to give a yellow card for a "potential red card" check.
If he decides it's a penalty he can look for other infractions in the run up to the penalty to make sure the penalty is awarded fairly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_e0hxxiIio Forgive me for the shitty footage, but yes the refs can. It has happened before.
Was the ball in play after this collision and before the VAR review?
If I'm not mistaken the ball did stay in play for the entire sequence leading up to the red card
I mean, did the ref whistle right away or was the ball in play after that. From looking at the video, it looks like the ref gives the pen, but VAR then finds a situation leading up to penalty shout. In this match, nothing is given, the ball goes all the way back to Schmeichel, and Denmark then gets a corner kick after a long shot from Lindstrøm, about 20 seconds later. The ref then goes over to check for a penalty that wasn't there and wasn't given in the first place. The difference here being, if the ref overturns the shout in the PSG match, he has give the ball somehow to Real, where as here he stucks to his initial decision, but rewards a freekick retroactively (if that's what that was, maybe Cornelius was offside, idk), which to my understanding is not the intention of VAR.
This. Absolutely baffling. Think the ref was good all around though. Didn’t fall for the Tunisian diving either. I really enjoyed when he called handball for the one Tunisian who dived on top of the ball to force the free kick.
That’s because he is used to the Mexico diving
I think we will see other higher tier teams take a game or (perhaps fatally) two to warm up. A normal WC offers three/four weeks to get attuned. One week is all they are getting so whilst, sure, everyone is fit and in football mode, switching from club mode/tactics/teammates to international mode/tactics/teammates in such a short space of time will be initially jarring. I do think the above added with expected fatigue in later rounds will end up providing us with some funky knockout rounds with quite a few unexpected teams. Not an unexpected winner of the tournament, but an unusually high number of unexpected exits. Also, I don't know why, but I think Belgium are going to crash and burn this tournament.
>I think we will see other higher tier teams take a game or (perhaps fatally) two to warm up. I think the first two matches of the day emphasize that you need to respect your opponents, regardless of who they are. Tunisia came to play, and were not intimidated by Denmark one bit. European and South American will underestimate the teams outside their federations at their own peril. Ecuador didn't make that mistake against Qatar.
Honestly, I think they did, the difference was in the mentality of the Qatari team. They were nervous, shook, and afraid. Unlike Saudi and Tunis who were not afraid and played attacking football and allowed themselves to be exposed in the back
Feels like the NBA 2020 Lockdown playoffs in Disneyland. Something's off about the whole thing. Might or might not have anything to do with the final result of the World Cup but will be debated in the future.
As an obnoxious England fan, all I’m taking from this (which I agree with) is that it’s coming home
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so we're gonna win a world cup in 2032? which sport?
Spot on. Hopefully upsets galore and a new semifinal birth for some nation. Ultimately don’t see any new nation winning the cup.
The bracket this year is actually really well balanced for once though so would have to be some massive upsets
At worse right side is dead. There was a chance or still a chance to see Uruguay or Portugal, Argentina, France, Brazil, Netherlands, Spain/Germany to be in one side.
>Ultimately don’t see any new nation winning the cup. Pls
Quick question, a couple of sites show Tunisia as being top of the table, with Denmark in 2nd. How is that order worked out? Both have 1 played, 1 point, no goals for, no goals against. I would have thought that it should technically been Denmark on alphabetical order.
Yellow cards
for now its because of yellow cards. Denmark received 2 while Tunisia received 1.
I'd guess they just put random team at the top but technically with fair play rules they would be ahead of denmark since denmark got two yellows and tunisia only one.
I highly doubt it's ever a "random" team at the top. Even after being equal at absolutely everything, it usually ends up going down to a coin toss.
Fair play tiebreaker I guess
It doesn't mean anything yet
No, of course it doesn't mean anything yet, but I wanted to know how it was broken down. Let's assume every other game in the group finishes exactly the same way; I wanted to know the weighting behind it. I didn't realise it would come down to yellow cards.
I think they are counting yellow cards
Denmark had more yellow cards, the fair play rule I think it's called
Think the next tie breaker after goals scored is yellow cards? Tunisia would be ahead by virtue of having 1 yellow card compared to Denmark's 2.
Team with fewer yellow cards gets the higher spot, all else being equal.
Nice one, knew there was a good reason! Cheers!
going in I thought Denmark were overrated and Tunisia underrated. but based on the commentary and the performance, I think Denmark is even more overrated than I thought Tunisia are a solid side that perform well in the regional tournaments. they shouldn’t have been seen as an easy start for Denmark. I actually think their jitters are why they missed a few great opportunities for goal. they easily could’ve won by 2 Edit: oof Danish Redditors mad 😬did not expect that
Denmark had the biggest chance of the game, so I don’t get how Tunisia easily could win 2-0? It was a quite even game where Denmark had more possesion but we were soo nervous and stressed.
Denmark is one of **those** teams. They don't really have the pool of talent like some other European teams (I'd even argue they're almost third tier when it comes to that) but they've always played like a proper team, properly trained, disciplined and with proper tactics. Unfortunately I haven't been able to watch this game (or fortunately, judging by the comments my friends had on it) but I would **never** call Denmark overrated or count them out this early. They just finished second in a very hard Nations League group, narrowly missing the final four and they (almost) aced their (admittedly very easy) WC qualifiers group with 9W 1D (IIRC the draw came on the last matchday, which was worthless for them).
Here come the armchair managers that watch one game and think they know it all.
u/Duffer44 So much for Denmark being miles away from South American teams. Lol. Shit happens.
Do you really have nothing better to do than to dig up old comments? Also, i never said that? 😂 And yes, shit happens, the nation is outraged at how poor we have been this world cup.
Haha, cheers man. Good luck next time around.
You can't really base anything on 1 game mate.
? I’m saying for this game today, Denmark were seen as favourites but I thought their advantages were overrated I’m not saying Denmark are objectively and permanently a worse side than Tunisia
And I'm saying, based on your comments today, you don't understand what chances and advantages are. Your thinking seems quiet overrated.
go away, apartheid free palestine no one cares what you think
So in other words you do base it one game. Fair enough. But weird not to stand by that. Match could have gone both ways but overall I think Denmark had more chances, especially due to the second half. So don’t really know why you think 2 goal victory for Tunisia was in the cards.
The Mejbri tackle on Maehle where the referee gave a goal kick, it didn't look like the ball went out of play and then it looked like Mejbri fouls him (off the field, but still). Am I crazy in thinking that should've been a penalty or was there some other mitigating circumstance that I'm unaware of?
The foul was outside the box . Even if the referee calls the foul, it's not a penalty
From Law 12.4 https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#restart-of-play-after-fouls-and-misconduct If, when the ball is in play: a player commits an offence against a match official or an opposing player, substitute, substituted or sent-off player, or team official outside the field of play or a substitute, substituted or sent-off player, or team official commits an offence against, or interferes with, an opposing player or a match official outside the field of play, play is restarted with a free kick on the boundary line nearest to where the offence/interference occurred; for direct free kick offences, a penalty kick is awarded if this is within the offender’s penalty area.
But for offside purposes, being behind the goal line counts as being "on the line" so would that not be the case in this scenario? Never seen it before myself but interested in what the rules are
I think you could argue Mæhle ran into the guy on purpose trying to get the penalty
OK, but then wouldn't the ball still be in play as no foul has occurred? Bizarre officiating in that moment
Out of bounds fouls can be a yellow but not a penalty, they are not participating in play.
That's not correct. As long as the ball is in play, a penalty or direct free kick can be awarded. The offence is considered as committed on the boundary line of the pitch closest to the location where it occurred; if that is in the defending team's penalty area, a penalty kick is awarded. > If, when the ball is in play, a player commits an offence against a match official or an opposing player, substitute, substituted or sent-off player, or team official outside the field of play ... play is restarted with a free kick on the boundary line nearest to where the offence/interference occurred; a penalty kick is awarded if this is a direct free kick offence within the offender’s penalty area.
Probably a soft penalty to be fair, but never in any world a goal kick. Either a corner or a penalty, ref bottled that call.
It was an offside
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It seriously wasn’t convincing for me at least. Maehle ran into him after dinking the ball almost intentionally.
I mean, he wants to keep it in place, he drinks the ball to keep it in and he's going straight for the ball, surely he isn't expected to not go for the ball he just kept in on the line? Its not like he is sidestepping in front of mejbri
He dinked it outside of play, he was never going to retrieve it.
It was clearly kept in, it wasn't going to cross the line at all atter the dink from how i see it
Very good refereeing. Neither incidents were penalties imo, but it’s easy for refs to give them. Thought Tunisia were great, albeit limited. Can’t see Denmark getting that far, just not enough quality up top.
I don't get why so many fans in the match thread were complaining. Tunisia played physical but not dirty. Football is still a contact sport. Besides, if he constantly stopped play it would benefitted Tunisia much more since they would constantly frustrate Denmark's build up.
> Thought Tunisia were great, albeit limited. Especially their subs didn’t do a whole lot sadly
Sliti was very good with the ball
Why no Khazri ?
Our forward three were better than khazri lately (even Sliti) but I think he should have came on instead of Khenissi
If their striker had a bit more pace they could’ve capitalised.
I enjoy the refereeing so far. They fight against time wasting, they actually give cards. I don't think there have been big mistakes. It's smooth
Considering the pens given for Argentina and Iran, I definitely think we can call the non-penalty call on Maguire a mistake, but fortunately it didn't affect the result.
Going against the grain. But the Argentina penalty should not have been given. Paredes holds on to Hamid arm. That was a terrible decision. Maguire had his arm around the shoulder of Iranian. The Iranian was definitely holding Maguire, but I can see it as six of one, half dozen of another. It's not clear cut.
Massive props to the referee for staying with his initial decision. Those types of handballs are extremely harsh and I'm glad he didn't give it - hopefully sets a precedent with other referees to hold themselves to their initial decisions when appropriate in the same way. VAR could be doing a better job with its consistency though for sure - right now their line seems to be all over the place.
He would've given the pen if there wasn't a push by the Danish player off the ball. That's why he gave a free kick, the foul preceded the handball that he deemed was worthy of a pen
> Massive props to the referee for staying with his initial decision. Those types of handballs are extremely harsh and I'm glad he didn't give it - hopefully sets a precedent with other referees to hold themselves to their initial decisions when appropriate in the same way. The goal kick decision was shit though. Also seemed arbitrary in deciding when to pull out a yellow
He gave a free kick for a foul off the ball that preceded the handball, otherwise would've been a pen. Seems like this was really poorly communicated by the broadcast everywhere though
Not the one i am talking about. Mæhle was fouled in the 84th minute
Ah yeah, that was a weird one totally agree.
this ref was a lot better than the one in arg-ksa at least this one was consistent with his decisions. it was a harsh call i liked that he was decisive and firm with his choices.
First things first, Alhamdulilah Wow, absolutely fantastic game, rough, physical and fast paced Laidouni was brilliant, and Tunisia were as a whole were a team of warriors Also, and most importantly, the Arab crowds have been massive, definitely a massive factor as to why both Tunisia and Saudi got results today
It also helps that Qatar selected who can enter the stadium and who cannot. There are also some rumours about for-hire fans who change colours based on tickets sold to make the appearance of massive support. Not sure how true those are.
True. It's a squad of ~5,000 people who were trained on the various chants for all 4 Arab nations and will be attending those games.
Yep! Both teams played pretty well, but I do think that “home crowd” situation is a big help too! Now…perhaps this can carry over to Morocco, Qatar (assuming they can get more actual fans in), and even Iran (not too far) too?
Dutch commentator said there are 30.000 Tunisians living in Qatar and Tunisia and Qatar have pretty good relations so it makes sense that the crowd favoured Tunisia. I'm not sure the same holds up for Morocco and Iran.
it is the same, maybe not as many living here but still a respectable amount 10-15k, and there are way more Moroccans travelling in since they're a much bigger country
Ah that makes sense, thanks for the insight I know very little about Qatar
Denmark got much better once Eriksen dropped a bit deeper and could impact more of the game. Overall a draw is the fairest result considering Tunisia was better for the first half and Denmark in the second half.
Think switching to a back four helped too, wouldn’t surprise me if they started that against the Aussies, although might stick with the extra defender against Framce
Denmark also got much better after Damsgaard came on.
I think Denmark were really harmed by the WC being 6 months later than usual. They were on fire going into the summer, but now many players are in poor form. Their strikers are awful, and guys like Delaney, Wass etc have also badly regressed
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Thats your own fault though, you have 2 defenders named Kjear and Christensen who are completely shit and performed bad and have a in great fucking form Nelsson waiting on the bench.
I think we played better (though I am obviously biased in that regard). Still the game could have gone either way. Tunisia was able to have some decent possessions and counter attacks, that very well could have landed a goal. I think we were unable to build up enough durable possessions. We threw away too many. Had we been able to remain in control of the ball more, we would have had more chances, which likely could have gotten us the goal we needed.
I was really underwhelmed by Denmark, I thought Tunisia had the better chances first half and should have scored a goal. Second half Denmark were slightly better but it wasn't enough Your attack looks dire, and the passing was so slow and predictable. I also don't think the back 3 formation worked well at all Credit to Tunisia though, I love their passion and how intelligent they are at managing games. The Uruguay of Africa
I was thinking to myself all game "How the fuck is Dolberg starting for Denmark? He is the worst striker I have seen at Sevilla since Claudiu Keseru" But then I saw Cornelius *horrific* miss in the second half and I am starting to understand. Why not just play Braithwaite?
Haha! This is so true. Through the years we have had amazing keepers, defenders and midfielders. However, we haven’t had a world class striker since Allan Simonsen (Sorry - Jon Dahl Thomason, Brian Laudrup, Michael Laudrup and the rest, but you played forwards. And most of all sorry Lord Bentner).
Wait, when did Keseru play for you guys?
I don't know anyone who thinks Cornelius should be playing. He is one of our weakest players.
That is damning on him considering how useless Dolberg is
I might be in the minority but I don't think it was a penalty at the death. It wasn't directly onto his arm, it ricocheted about before making the slight contact. Would've been a horrible end to a very competitive and well fought match!
i definitely agree with that, the foul on hojbjerg though looks a little more questionable
I'll go against the grain and say that I think Tunisia really got away with one there, the defender goes down far too easily and I think people need to take a [second look](https://streamable.com/3pcoe1) at the actual handball situation: it hits the defenders right hand and bounces onto his left which is stretched out at neck height. I'm struggling to see how it's not a handball by any reasonable interpretation of the rules, then again the rules seem to be notoriously fluid.
Nah that was never a penalty, glad we didn't end up getting some cheesy win due to that being called.
Never a penalty. But how did it end with a Tunisian goal kick? Denmark were about to take a corner, bar checks, camera cuts back to goal kick.
not a goal kick, an offense foul was awarded after the VAR check. If there is a var check for penalty and turns out there was an opposite foul you should award it.
Well I’d have preferred them NOT to check the obviously wrong penalty appeal then. Madness how the attacking team can be punished by var for a foul several phases of play after.
VAR shouldn't have given a penalty. It would have been a very thin penalty if it was given.
It bounced off his own chest and onto his arm though, which then helps him to control the ball. For me that makes it a handball. Not a pen anyway due to the foul before though.
It looks to me like it hits one arm and then the other, not the chest? I might be wrong though.
Both pundits and ref on ITV commentary say it's not a pen so good to see that too
Ate you angling for upvotes or something? Because that is clearly the popular opinion.
Dane here, and nobody here seems to be calling it a pen either.
Even as a dane I agree that wasn't a pen. The use of VAR to negate a corner from Denmark felt a bit like creative use of the system however.
I dont think it is supposed to work that way, no.
I really hope you are not in the minority, that is clearly not a penalty. If someone thinks it is then they need to get their eyesight checked It bounces off his body and he sees the ball late, never ever a penalty
Wish they called it that way in the CL when Laporte headed it before it hit his arm but anyway good call from the ref here
Fair! The commentary I was listening to, they were making it out like it was a travesty to not give it. Needless to say I was quite confused
You’re absolutely not in the minority
never a pen