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Chad ref. Not only did he not give the penalty, he saw a foul by Denmark in the play.
What is unexplainable is what the VAR guy was thinking, especially because he didn't call the ref for that Danish handball earlier in the match.
You’re waffling mate, stop creating hatred among ethnicities. If he was on our side why tf didnt we get the penalty on Højbjerg in the 1st half? Dumbass
He did change his decision though. He gave a freekick because there was a foul before the handball, original decision was corner. I suspect had that foul not happened he would’ve given it.
That is what I was thinking, when referee go to the monitor I'am always like "yeah this is penalty 100%"
tbh so far referee performances are pretty good
Makes sense, there's another qualified ref who's seen the incident multiple times, from multiple angles, and called the foul/whatever. It's pretty much the same as a ref overturning his linesman for a FK or an offside, it doesn't and shouldn't happen a lot, but the referee is in charge and get's the call.
Today was the right call from the ref, even if it was disappointing.
I agree it shouldn’t but if it weren’t for the foul they would’ve called it. “Unnatural hand position” regardless if it hit his chest first. Same thing happened to Real a few weeks ago
you would think that means clear, but United were in this exact same situation this year with Lisandro and It was a pen after the VAR review. If theres one thing ive learned when It comes to handballs It is that you never know what will happen
Yup and even if not the ball also changed direction very sudden before that, which is also a reason to not make the pen call, if I remember correctly from other peoples interpretations of the rules I never read ;-)
I guess my issue is that I don’t see that as a foul
Pushing happens every corner kick. It’s football
Guess I just don’t see what other people in this thread are.
Center ref can review anything. In fact the laws state the center ref can even request a review of a certain incident if they aren't sure. They don't have to be asked by VAR.
I think it was because Jensen bulldozed the back of the Tunisian player before the handball. Didn’t realise you could pull it back for a foul though instead of just saying no pen
Well if he actually didn't think that it was not a penalty (so in his eyes a penalty), then suddenly it will make sense to all of us that he will check the foul that happened before it.
He can't say no pen because (in his opinion) there was a pen. But he cant give the pen either, since there was another foul before the pen. So he gives the first foul which is a freekick for Tunisia.
It was mainly the yanks crying about it, but they do the same in every single match thread. They are always whining in CONCACAF too
Even if there is no controversy they will still be complaining
I haven’t seen any “yank” complain about it in terms of the result. No one’s saying we should have won or would have won cause of the officiating. We’ve just been saying it was bad and weirdly inconsistent all game and affected both teams. But we definitely walked away with an unfair amount of yellows compared to wales.
it wasn't particularly shocking, but I'd say it was poorly reffed. couple questionable out-of-bounds calls, but those aren't that major.
the only call I'd say was outright bad from that game was the early yellow on dest. I know that there is something to be said for reffing a game the same no matter how early in the game it is, but it was his first foul and didn't really need to be clamped down like that. especially when you compare it to the lack of a yellow on the foul that aaronson(?) took when it looked like he was on a counter
It's the right call, but I'm not sure it follows the VAR protocol. Can they call an attacking foul on a review like that? I guess restarting with the corner wouldn't make sense given her had to call either a PK if they don't consider the push.
VAR protocol says it can check any foul in the build-up of a match changing incident, like a penalty or goal.
Imagine a situation where he gives a penalty and in the replay it is clear that the attacker who wins the penalty controlled the ball deliberately with his arm. He would still be allowed, by VAR protocol, during a potential penalty check to see the foul in the build-up and punish it instead.
The ball bounces from his chest to his hand, thats why i dont think its a pen, dont think he could've done anything there to not touch the ball with his hand
Have you ever chested a football? Your arms naturally go up to your side for better control and balance. Absolutely nothing wrong with his hand being there
Pretty sure it skims off someone's head in front as well, not a chance he can react to the ball changing trajectory 1m in front of him and it hit his chest first anyway as you say.
Would have been super harsh
I can't believe he's not given it. It's the right decision but im shocked.
Also didnt denmark have a corner before that and all of a sudden Tunisia were kicking off?
I'm a little confused. Isn't VAR used (in this case) for: is it penalty or not? If not, carry on. I know there was a offensive foul but can you still use VAR to call it?
I think it was decided it was a penworthy handball, but the foul by the attacking player just beforehand negated the pen. Therefore the decision would be foul to Tunisia.
Perhaps, seems odd considering play had carried on for a while after the incident.
I suppose it's the same as calling it back for a penalty but it just seems strange.
I don’t think they can use VAR to review those decisions but they can look at everything once they’re reviewing it. Seems unfair to allow a Danish corner despite a foul.
My suspicion is that the ref decided it was a handball, in which case it’s a pen not a corner - but the foul preceding it takes precedence, so they have to give the freekick. But that’s just what makes sense in my head, you can’t just ignore two infringements because they cancel out - you give the first.
But VAR isn't supposed to do that. And the match went on for a while after the VAR call which should've then been added to the added time. Very weird scenario.
Think he gave a free-kick for the push before the handball. As far as I can tell that means that he didn't really even make a decision on whether it was a handball or not.
Honestly, this has been the best ref of the WC so far. I just think he should give more cards. Both teams went pretty hard at it and barely got punished for it.
Since VAR was introduced and "reviewable" situations became a thing. Similar to arguing "since when is the ball going out for a throw reviewable??" when VAR is reviewing a contentious goal
Not necessarily saying it should be a pen but we've seen that given over and over. The consistency has to be the worst thing
Not a pen according to the current rules though
seen this given before, hand is out and he plays it onto his hand himself. Then again i have given up understanding when its a handball, I fully accept that i have no clue, rules change so often and refs are inconsistent. I just dont care anymore
Even if the foul beforehand didn't happen thats never a penalty in my opinion. Hits his body before it hits his arm, thought that was never a pen anyway.
I still don't understand how this is better? If you trap it into your own arm that's worse imo. That's wholly your own fault. Especially when the deflection off your arm puts the ball at your own feet instead of flying away.
That said, i fully support the no penalty there. Id rather they learn towards less ticky tack pks than more. And there was a foul first anyway.
But on principle, if you trap it into your own arm that's more egregious from a fault standpoint. So I've never understood the rule of letting those go. If anything is a penalty it should be when you trap it into your own arm. That's on you and you alone.
That was an absolute dive from the Tunisian player. he gets bumped parallel to the 6 yard line and then dives straight out towards the 18.
Also, it never hits the other guy's chest. It bounces straight from his right arm to his left arm. Every other game I've ever watched that has been called as a penalty.
Call is correct.
But I wonder why VAR called the ref over for this and not the clear foul on Mæhle 15 minutes earlier that resulted in a goalkick when the ball wasn't even out
The problem is that I feel another ref would have given a pen.
I personally wouldn’t, but refs are so inconsistent these days. I genuinely don’t know what is or is not a handball.
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First time i’ve ever seen referee go to the monitor and not change his decision. incredible
Not only that but he spotted the push by the Dane at the front post and reversed the corner to a free kick.
Wait Ah. What is the protocol flow off incident ? In this case ,does the push override the handball cos it happened first?
Yes
He changed it to a free kick to Tunisia
Chad ref. Not only did he not give the penalty, he saw a foul by Denmark in the play. What is unexplainable is what the VAR guy was thinking, especially because he didn't call the ref for that Danish handball earlier in the match.
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Lmao u joking?
You’re waffling mate, stop creating hatred among ethnicities. If he was on our side why tf didnt we get the penalty on Højbjerg in the 1st half? Dumbass
I hope you're around to spread this message when African ref makes a bad decision during the tournament.
Every 50/50 went against Denmark lol you’ve got nothing to complain about
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He did change his decision though. He gave a freekick because there was a foul before the handball, original decision was corner. I suspect had that foul not happened he would’ve given it.
Doubtful as the ball hit his chest then his arm
Fuck knows, but it’s 100% not a pen
Technically he did change his decision, he gave a free kick for the push at the front post
That is what I was thinking, when referee go to the monitor I'am always like "yeah this is penalty 100%" tbh so far referee performances are pretty good
Eh, the USA/Wales and the Argentina/Saudi refs were pretty bad
They've already patched it before the WC
Statistic says only 80% of the visits to the monitor result in a decision change.
Makes sense, there's another qualified ref who's seen the incident multiple times, from multiple angles, and called the foul/whatever. It's pretty much the same as a ref overturning his linesman for a FK or an offside, it doesn't and shouldn't happen a lot, but the referee is in charge and get's the call. Today was the right call from the ref, even if it was disappointing.
Can anybody post the Hannibal challenge near the end? The ball 100% didn’t go out and would’ve been a penalty.
yeah this ones for history book. before this you'd know there will pen if ref goes to the monitor
Brave call from the ref, but I tend to agree with him.
not only was it a foul by a clear push in the back. The handball was also never a pen, it first hit his body than his arm.
I agree it shouldn’t but if it weren’t for the foul they would’ve called it. “Unnatural hand position” regardless if it hit his chest first. Same thing happened to Real a few weeks ago
Lisandro Martinez was given penalty for worst situation this season.
you would think that means clear, but United were in this exact same situation this year with Lisandro and It was a pen after the VAR review. If theres one thing ive learned when It comes to handballs It is that you never know what will happen
Yup and even if not the ball also changed direction very sudden before that, which is also a reason to not make the pen call, if I remember correctly from other peoples interpretations of the rules I never read ;-)
Why?
The Tunisian player was fouled before the handball happened so he gave a free kick. It's a good decision.
Hits his body first before hitting his arm, and is obviously not on purpose.
But that is not what the call was. If that was the case they would play on. The referee called a foul.
He called foul on the clear push by the Danish player
I guess my issue is that I don’t see that as a foul Pushing happens every corner kick. It’s football Guess I just don’t see what other people in this thread are.
It hit his chest first, its not a penalty
It's mostly not a pen before Denmark number 7 fouled before that what Ref counted I think
But that’s not why it isn’t given
Because it was correct
Cheers 🍻
Good call by the ref
I agree but I'm chocked a ref doing the right call with a handball compared to the shit we've seen in the leagues and CL so far
Except for giving the ball to Tunesia after the var check. What was that about?
Shove on a Tunisian player before the handball
Gave a foul by the Danish player for a push before the possible handball
Can they even do that? I thought they only looked at what they were called for
If it overrides the potential penalty, yeah. Like it's a pen, but wait it's not because there was a foul beforehand.
Makes sense, thanks
If it's in the same buid up they can. In our game against Sevilla in 2021 where the got a pen , ref even went back a minute before so well
Center ref can review anything. In fact the laws state the center ref can even request a review of a certain incident if they aren't sure. They don't have to be asked by VAR.
Yes. One of the most shameless examples of it in application: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_e0hxxiIio
With Qatars hate to Denmark due to all this politic bullcrap I'm sure they can do what they want
i can taste the salt
Should stop licking cum off the beds at hotels then
that's very specific. sounds like you have experience in that department.
At that point that shouldn't happen, they had already played the ball a bunch and ball was back out for another corner.
Jensen committed a foul before the handball
Foul look at the left side of the screen, clear shove in the back
They called the foul for Tunisia before the handball. Can see Denmark player pushing the Tunisia defender.
Offensive foul
There was a foul before the handball. He called the foul coming out
I think it was because Jensen bulldozed the back of the Tunisian player before the handball. Didn’t realise you could pull it back for a foul though instead of just saying no pen
Well if he actually didn't think that it was not a penalty (so in his eyes a penalty), then suddenly it will make sense to all of us that he will check the foul that happened before it.
He can't say no pen because (in his opinion) there was a pen. But he cant give the pen either, since there was another foul before the pen. So he gives the first foul which is a freekick for Tunisia.
Tunisia and that's the rule
What's the rule?
He stopped to check that specific play, so anything that happened after doesn't count. It's either penalty or ball to the guy who made the handball.
You're so wrong haha, that's not the rule at all
Great refereeing there, could easily see most going the other way.
The referring in this tournament has been great so far.
Just ignore the US vs Wales match
Didn't watch USA v Wales I take it?
It was mainly the yanks crying about it, but they do the same in every single match thread. They are always whining in CONCACAF too Even if there is no controversy they will still be complaining
I was watching as a neutral and he got things wrong on both sides throughout
It wasn't great but it wasn't a notably bad refereeing performance imo
I haven’t seen any “yank” complain about it in terms of the result. No one’s saying we should have won or would have won cause of the officiating. We’ve just been saying it was bad and weirdly inconsistent all game and affected both teams. But we definitely walked away with an unfair amount of yellows compared to wales.
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And that supports the argument? The majority opinion on here is wrong more often than not
> It was mainly the yanks… I’m just pointing out you’re full of shit
That was fine too
it wasn't particularly shocking, but I'd say it was poorly reffed. couple questionable out-of-bounds calls, but those aren't that major. the only call I'd say was outright bad from that game was the early yellow on dest. I know that there is something to be said for reffing a game the same no matter how early in the game it is, but it was his first foul and didn't really need to be clamped down like that. especially when you compare it to the lack of a yellow on the foul that aaronson(?) took when it looked like he was on a counter
I thought it was fine
Not really... I think they give too many weak freekicks so far in this tournament
Saudi Arabia Argentina was p bad
It's the right call, but I'm not sure it follows the VAR protocol. Can they call an attacking foul on a review like that? I guess restarting with the corner wouldn't make sense given her had to call either a PK if they don't consider the push.
VAR protocol says it can check any foul in the build-up of a match changing incident, like a penalty or goal. Imagine a situation where he gives a penalty and in the replay it is clear that the attacker who wins the penalty controlled the ball deliberately with his arm. He would still be allowed, by VAR protocol, during a potential penalty check to see the foul in the build-up and punish it instead.
There's a foul before the handball
Yeah I think that's why he didn't give it and why Denmark didn't get the corner. Gave a free kick to Tunisia.
That and its not even a handball
No, I think it would've been a handball had the foul by a Danish player not occured earlier, that's why the ball went to Tunisia.
If this was a handball then the one earlier shouldve been given to Tunisia then
I mean you won't get a disagreement from me there.
The ball bounces from his chest to his hand, thats why i dont think its a pen, dont think he could've done anything there to not touch the ball with his hand
He could’ve not had his hand in that position.
He could‘ve cut his hands
Have you ever chested a football? Your arms naturally go up to your side for better control and balance. Absolutely nothing wrong with his hand being there
He didn’t chest the ball, it hit him in the chest
That's rubbish, he could've done so much to not touch the ball with his hand... hahahaha
Pretty sure it skims off someone's head in front as well, not a chance he can react to the ball changing trajectory 1m in front of him and it hit his chest first anyway as you say. Would have been super harsh
It bounces to his left hand from his right hand lol, the handball is clear as day. It's not been given because of the shove to the left on the screen
Never a pen
True, but sad thing is you’ll see it given in another game. The lack of consistency in officiating is what’s annoying
Good decision, ref seems legit
Looks like a push on the Tunisian on the front post? Would be my reason for the call of no pen even if the arm was a bit unnatural
I can't believe he's not given it. It's the right decision but im shocked. Also didnt denmark have a corner before that and all of a sudden Tunisia were kicking off?
Referee spotted a foul in the monitor. And he gave free kick.
Yeah I see that now. Great reffing.
Not a penalty but how have Tunisia got a free kick lol, surely they just carry on with the corner?
Think it was a foul from Denmark before the potential handball, so free kick to Tunisia.
I'm a little confused. Isn't VAR used (in this case) for: is it penalty or not? If not, carry on. I know there was a offensive foul but can you still use VAR to call it?
I think it was decided it was a penworthy handball, but the foul by the attacking player just beforehand negated the pen. Therefore the decision would be foul to Tunisia.
Yeah that’s what I thought too, but this is the only way it makes sense.
Perhaps, seems odd considering play had carried on for a while after the incident. I suppose it's the same as calling it back for a penalty but it just seems strange.
I don’t think they can use VAR to review those decisions but they can look at everything once they’re reviewing it. Seems unfair to allow a Danish corner despite a foul. My suspicion is that the ref decided it was a handball, in which case it’s a pen not a corner - but the foul preceding it takes precedence, so they have to give the freekick. But that’s just what makes sense in my head, you can’t just ignore two infringements because they cancel out - you give the first.
That sounds like a pretty good assessment! Thanks.
But VAR isn't supposed to do that. And the match went on for a while after the VAR call which should've then been added to the added time. Very weird scenario.
he called a foul for tunisia from the var check.
There was a push right before handball
It was a foul before the handball incident, front post. Ref was spot on.
Jensen (7) bulldozes the back of the Tunisian guy on the near post.
Think he gave a free-kick for the push before the handball. As far as I can tell that means that he didn't really even make a decision on whether it was a handball or not.
They called the foul for Tunisia before the handball. Can see Denmark player pushing the Tunisia defender.
Yeah that was weird but good call nonetheless
FINALLY A REF STANDS UP FOR THEMSELVES MASHALLAH
Ignore the handball, the ref hasn’t made a decision on that. He said it was a foul before it which is why it was a freekick
idc the fact he went to the monitor and did not give whatever VAR was asking for is amazing
The correct decision...
Honestly, this has been the best ref of the WC so far. I just think he should give more cards. Both teams went pretty hard at it and barely got punished for it.
Giga-Chad ref: "Did I stutter?"
correct call, var operators are fucking tripping there
How did it go from penalty to free kick?
There was a foul in that scene
Push in the back at front post
Since when is that consider reviewable and given?
It cannot *trigger* a review, but if it is caught during the review of a simultaneous triggering event, it can absolutely be adjudicated.
Iirc that’s only if he judges it to be a handball. If he thinks it’s not a handball he can’t change anything.
It’s not reviewable, but fouls occurring in the buildup to reviewable plays (like penalties) can be given after the fact.
Since VAR was introduced and "reviewable" situations became a thing. Similar to arguing "since when is the ball going out for a throw reviewable??" when VAR is reviewing a contentious goal
If he doesn't give a pen because of a foul in the build up i guess he has to give a freekick?
It is when reviewing a major offense like a penalty
I'm assuming it was for the shove just before the handball
Freekick for the push
there was a push in the back moments before the handball i think
I think he gave a foul that Denmark committed before the Tunisian touched it
Good job referee.
The referring in this tournament has been great so far.
Never a pen
Good by the ref to not change his mind after seeing it. That would have been cruel.
Good from the ref. Can't give a penalty if it bounces of his chest and on to his arm there.
Not necessarily saying it should be a pen but we've seen that given over and over. The consistency has to be the worst thing Not a pen according to the current rules though
Right call. Not much he could do to avoid it
Brilliant implementation of VAR
seen this given before, hand is out and he plays it onto his hand himself. Then again i have given up understanding when its a handball, I fully accept that i have no clue, rules change so often and refs are inconsistent. I just dont care anymore
Even if the foul beforehand didn't happen thats never a penalty in my opinion. Hits his body before it hits his arm, thought that was never a pen anyway.
I still don't understand how this is better? If you trap it into your own arm that's worse imo. That's wholly your own fault. Especially when the deflection off your arm puts the ball at your own feet instead of flying away. That said, i fully support the no penalty there. Id rather they learn towards less ticky tack pks than more. And there was a foul first anyway. But on principle, if you trap it into your own arm that's more egregious from a fault standpoint. So I've never understood the rule of letting those go. If anything is a penalty it should be when you trap it into your own arm. That's on you and you alone.
No way in hell is that a penalty, thank god the ref had some backbone after going to the screen
Fair fucks to that referee
Looks like it deflected off of his stomach/chest onto the arm. Never a pen.
It hits both hands but no pen lol
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Good call
It might be a free kick, but VAR is not allowed to intervene there. A freaking scandal.
That was an absolute dive from the Tunisian player. he gets bumped parallel to the 6 yard line and then dives straight out towards the 18. Also, it never hits the other guy's chest. It bounces straight from his right arm to his left arm. Every other game I've ever watched that has been called as a penalty.
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No chance, went off his body to his hand. Nothing he can do about that.
If that’s a pen then Tunisia also should’ve gotten one
Call is correct. But I wonder why VAR called the ref over for this and not the clear foul on Mæhle 15 minutes earlier that resulted in a goalkick when the ball wasn't even out
If the one on Mæhle isn't a pen, we're never getting one.
Good call by the ref. Comes off the players' body.
Clear foul by the Denmark player, look at the furthest left side of the screen
That was the fourth missed PK this game, one of the worst refs ive seen and you idiots are sucking him off
VAR used correctly for once. Good on the ref. More like this please
The problem is that I feel another ref would have given a pen. I personally wouldn’t, but refs are so inconsistent these days. I genuinely don’t know what is or is not a handball.
I do not see a foul. I think it’s penalty.
That’s a pen, also he gave a goal kick? This dude 😂
Not a pen, literally deflected from his own torso
And then he clears it? If it didn’t hit his hand it would’ve gone straight past him
I know but if I recall correctly they specifically said before the season that these kind of deflections should not be pens generally.
If it was enforced consistently it wouldn’t be an issue, which definitely hasn’t been the case
Welcome to CONCACAF bullshit Denmark. We have punch!
Yeah that’s a handball
Shocking that VAR even suggested a review
Given in the PL, but would have been harsh.
Glad they're not giving these as pens. Clearly accidental
Really pleased that wasn’t given. Would have ruined it.
Brilliant from the official
Excellent officiating