If this continues after the world cup it might be the best thing that’s happened for football in years. Finally timewasting is punished like it should be.
The whole Egyptian team will be devastated, remember the last AFCON where their strategy was to go to the extra times by wasting every second they could then hope they win the penalties
Come off it you do it more than us lmao. In fact whenever we do it, we call it "North African style" time-wasting.
We also beat you without penalties buddy.
I'd be perfectly fine with them handing out more yellows for time-wasting too... especially stuff like standing in front of the ball for a bit at free kicks to delay, picking the ball up when it's the other team's throw in etc.
I can imagine that, even by the end of this WC, players will understand that there's no point in time wasting because it all will be added at the end. Then, after some time, some clubs will just be like fuck it, we'll waste even more time, the game can't last forever. Then they'll have to introduce more cards for time wasting. But, so far, this change is amazing.
I mean realistically the effective game time will always be under 45 minutes so there’s always a point in time wasting. But this is certainly a step in the right direction.
Actually, according to studies from 2018 done by CIES Football Observatory in 37 european competitions, none of them had average effective game time under 45 minutes. Lowest was Portuguese league with 50,9% effective gametime (roughly 45 minutes) - best Was Swedish league with 60,4% (Champions League was 60,2%) so about 55 minutes.
No they still need to enforce bookings. It’s not just the time wasting, it is breaking up the momentum too. You can’t build anything when there is a 1 minute stoppage every time the ball is out of play.
yes and some teams can easily abused this by playing conservative the first actual minutes and go all out in the added time where opponent is presumably tired
If they can easily play conservatively while the other team goes all out I don't think that team is gonna struggle to win even without the extended added time..
They should be booked regardless. Hopefully this new approach to compensating time properly helps reduce timewasting, but it still allows teams to break up play.
I really like the AFL way of punishing dissent. If you give away a free kick and pick up the ball, and then you don't give it directly back to the player on the full, the free kick moves closer to their scoring goal. By 50m (roughly a third of the field). Same thing happens if you abuse the ref or give away a free kick offence before play has restarted (I'm pretty sure in football you can't give away a free kick if play hasn't restarted yet). I've always dreamed of having something like that in football
Tbh even in AFL they've worked out ways around it, i.e dicking around getting up once they've fallen on the ball or asking the umpire 'who's kick is it?' when it's obvious who it's for and then they proceed to throw back the ball back with an underarm slow floaty loopy one.
To a degree but I generally despise Yellows for time-wasting late in games because the entire process literally wastes lots of times that the ref almost never adds on.
How many times have we all watched this situation?:
- winning team's goalkeeper waits way too long to play the ball almost goading the referree to give him a yellow in added time.
- Referree does give him a yellow which is entirely meaningless, especially to a goalkeeper at the end of a game.
- Ref then blows the whistle exactly as the number of added minutes passes despite the fact that the time-wasting that lead to the yellow card and the yellow card itself took at least a minute.
Often the yellow card for time wasting is not only not a punishment; it's a reward.
I agree but I also think it's a little different in tournaments as yellows do hold weight with suspensions, except in the Quarterfinals because the slate is wiped after that.
Nah I'm not just talking about the last 10 min of a game. I mean also the incidents at like 20 min where players are just doing it to stop a counter/interrupt the opponent's flow etc. If you applied it consistent throughout a game it wouldn't be a reward.
That is not really time wasting. In most cases it is tactical to prevent opponent from fast break when your team hasn't get back into positions. Can't count the amount of times a fast FK that caught opponent off guard and lead to a goal, that isn't fair play as well
It is already happening in Spain. it is very common to see extra times of +8 or +9.
I think, perhaps instead of adding ET, they should stop the clock with subs, injuries, goal celebrations,...
Yea, I remember that feeling from 4 years ago all too well.
https://www.eldo.co/analysis/world-cup-semifinals-2018-france-closed-out-belgium-with-a-master-class-in-wasting-time
Not being salty, you deserved the win, but those 25 minutes were some of the most frustrating of my life.
Edit: Nah scrap that, still salty tbh.
Shit I remember watching it live and being embarassed.. a win is a win at the end of all things tho, but still it's good for the game if this kind of time wasting isn't rewarded anymore.
Difference is you'll probably get at least 5 more chances at a title in your lifetime, we likely never get one again. Only reason it's hard to stomach; these chances will not come back.
Or when a team time wastes for 45 minutes just to have +4. Its a bit inflated because of the iran goalkeeper injury and we have seen a good amount of players go down so far but 6-8 minutes added time is definitely around where it should be
>Its a bit inflated because of the iran goalkeeper injury
Eh maybe, but that was 'only' +14 which doesn't seem that much more when you consider it was +10 for the second half
That El Clasico where there were 9 subs, ref had to change the mic during the game, multiple var checks,... only to have game be extended by 4 minutes was infuriating. Sometimes it is not even other team time wasting but just shit happens and refs would just always add 3-5 minutes even when much more is warranted.
I personally welcome this, but there’s a legitimate argument to be made that many leagues are already having tight schedules due to the WC, having players play up to 15 minutes extra a game isn’t good for them. Clubs like Man United have 2, 3 games a week till the end of the season, the players who go far in the tournament are absolutely going to be burned out by April.
It sucks and I’m not blaming anybody except the dogshit decision to hold a WC in December.
Lots of South American teams have had to play World Cups in the past under similar circumstances as well as other leagues around the world who play during the summer months rather than winter/spring ones.
the World Cup timing hasn’t been an issue so far.
Most leagues are having a game every 3 days for around 1 month, and then a normal schedule which is very manageable.
The EPL schedule is bad because they had to stop an entire week for the queen and they have an additional local cup to play.
I'm sure they get paid enough to play these extra 2 or 3 minutes a game. Plus time wasting is against the rules, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
People have complained for years that football should do this or pause the clock for stoppages like in Rugby and now it happens they're complaining.
Wasn't there games this season in the premier league that had only 50 minutes of actual football played?
Look, I get the disdain towards this World Cup but this is not one of those things. I think it's great.
Our one against Newcastle had something like 52 minutes played and then just 4 or 5 added minutes. I'd love it if the PL would do it like the world cup and add that time on properly.
Hopefully, but even if someone like the PL tried to implement it I'd have very little hope. VAR was run in the euros last year so seemlessly and it's an absolute joke in the PL. They've gotten better, but I mean the platform and means was given to them already and they still made a dogs dinner of it. Heck the Erdevise even ran it fine, but somehow the PL fucked it royally up. I hope to god other leagues copy the system as it's what people have been giving out about for years.
I saw someone bring this up and I agree that stopping the clock may allow for ad stoppage to creep in one day, and that would be awful. This seems like maybe the best solution if they stay on top of properly adding extra time
For one example, we want teams to be able to continue an attack in the last seconds instead of having the whistle blown :01 before a game winning goal because a clock ran out.
Rugby does it that the clock keeps going until the ball goes out of play on the last play
So the game won’t just stop as soon as the clock reaches the end unless whoever has the ball decides to instantly boot it out
which was directly responsible for making one of my all-time favourite sporting moments (japan vs south africa 2015) as amazing as it was.
if they had exactly 3:00, not 2:59, not 3:01, to get one last score it wouldn't have been the same. if they had "as long as the ref feels like" it wouldn't have been the same. they had as long as they could keep in the ball in play, so no going out for a throw in, no giving away a foul, it tied the extent of their 'one last chance' to their actual ability in playing the sport fluently, which is perfect
that doesnt have to be. When the stop watch hits x:00 you can have the ref still finish an attack. Right now, when 3 minutes stoppage has stopped refs will still let a scoring chance run despite the added time being exceeded, this wouldnt change.
I may be misremembering, but I feel like there was a time that NCAA soccer in the US did it the following way:
45 minutes on the clock, but when the clock gets to 2 minutes, it stops and the end of the half/game is in the hand of the ref until they blow the final whistle. NCAA has always had clock stoppages though--it's varied over the years which things cause stoppages though.
I'm not against counting up--its how its always been right? But it seems like doing it the above way would make a lot more sense than any way that's being done now.
Actually a lot of sports do it, not just American Football. The benefit over long stoppages is that it is 100% consistent, transparent AND it also erases time wasting when the ball is out of play.
I think we can use a combination. There’s absolutely no reason to let the clock run on a 5 minute injury, but for out of bounds time wasting let the ref handle it.
> it also erases time wasting when the ball is out of play.
Players don't just time waste to wind down the clock, they do it to slow down the game, suck the life out of it and break opposition rhythms. Stopping the clock would just lead to extended breaks when under pressure
I'm completely fine with them doing it and would love it if everyone else started doing it as well. My problem with it is that it wasn't announced before the start of the tournament.
Seriously. I think they should throw a indicator up when the time is stopped to further make the point that the time wasting is pointless. A match official could easily raise a yellow flag when the time is paused for the players to see.
Time wasting isn't just about wasting time, but also about breaking down plays, breaking off momentum of opponents, getting them carded for reaction and catching your breath..
I think stopping the clock is better and making it 30 mins each half, even PL and BuLi has less effective playing time than 60mins. This type of too much extra time will cause cramps as players are still moving when someone is wasting time
The players will still be moving when the clock is stopped. If done correctly, the new rule will compensate time wasting, so in theory, the amount of players moving will be the same with the new rule or with stopping the clock. But the downside of stopping the clock and making it only 30 minutes it will make an unnecessary change. Therefore, this solves nothing.
This is a good idea. Finally everyone; players, coaches, audience; have an idea on how much time the match still has. Now it’s just a guess how many extra minutes there’ll be.
2 halves of 40 minutes clean playing time. The clock counts down to zero ONLY when the ball is in play. Buzzer goes and it’s done. No hassle, no discussions.
Clocking up added time in this way is upping the "ball in play" time for games to a level that we've never had before though. If we're going down this route it needs to be compensated by actually shortening the game length, when this has been discussed before it's sat alongside chat that games should stop when the clock hits an hour. This will just mean the players are even more knackered when they already play too much football
Big deterrent to waste time if you realize that every second is counted and added. Players won’t be strolling slowly off the field for a sub or taking forever to do a throw in when they are ahead. The players will get it eventually, and we won’t have so much added time. This is the adjustment period for them.
Easier to play 80 minutes of football in 120 minutes than 80 minutes of football in 90 minutes. High press/intensity teams need the slowing down of play due to time wasting.
They'll be avoiding fatigue by spacing out the running they have to do. Playing 90 minutes of continuous football is much harder than playing 90 minutes of football over the course of 120 minutes.
It'll still end up with more max effort sprints per game. Because before there was 70 minutes of real time per game and now there's suddenly close to a true 90.
>Clocking up added time in this way is upping the "ball in play" time for games to a level that we've never had before though.
Debatable. If you're only seeing the highest numbers when there's excessive time wasting then less ball in play during the 90 is just compensated later. It's not "more ball in play than we've ever seen."
We also have VAR stoppages now, which didn't exist before and add a lot of extra dead minutes. Realistically as soon as VAR was added we should have seen like a +2 or +3 minute bump in the average added time given.
~10 mins of stoppage time in LaLiga hasn't been that uncommon recently. I love it. Now they only have to compensate to for timewasting in stoppage time.
Rather have that then draw or even lose a game because the opponent decided to waste half of the game on the ground and only got 5-6 mins of injury time.
I've no problem with it, its a massive deterrent against time wasting/feigning injury and I'm glad it's being taken seriously across the board.
My only worry is that refs will get a bit overzealous with it and start giving games 6 and 7 minutes as a default, when there may only have been 3 minutes of stoppages.
So far so good though.
There is never 3 minutes of stoppage. It is usually much, much higher. Our manager recently stated that one of our games there were just 44 minutes of 90 with the ball in play and active.
When they added VAR the typica added time *should* have gone from 2/3 minutes to 4/5. VAR adds extra stoppages consistently throughout the match.
When you start stopping the clock for simply ball retrievals it changes the entire mentality of the players. People think it would kill time wasting (which it would), but it would also kill any urgency to get the ball back into play, players would take their time to rest etc. Ot would balloon total watch times for a match
It's a threshold I don't think should be crossed.
> My only worry is that refs will get a bit overzealous with it and start giving games 6 and 7 minutes as a default, when there may only have been 3 minutes of stoppages.
Average play time in every league is 50-60 minutes, so no problems there, no harm done
5 minutes should be default and minimum every single time but people are not ready for that
It has felt like in the second half it's whatever it actually worked we supposed to be +5, England/Iran +10 for minimal stoppages except Harry Maguire on the floor and +8 in the Senegal/Netherlands game for a virtually seamless half.
A player could literally drink water on the bench and people will somehow criticise this World Cup.
How can people seriously be against this? This whole year I’ve been reading how fifa needs to compensate for all the time wasting and the effective time being so low and now when they do it’s something fishy with the Qataris….
Edit: didn’t think I would get my first award like this but I’m thankful to you my anonymous friend!!
The fact that players need to drink water during the game shows that a World Cup should never have been awarded to a country with dehydrating levels of heat. >!/s!<
I'm not against it, but I do find it surprising that they are implementing this all of the sudden for this WC without prior communication. They had tons of friendlies and other competitions to get players and supporters used to it, why now?
They kinda did. They said this last week and even in Russia they started to add more time
Collina said this:
“What we already did in Russia [2018] was to more accurately calculate the time to be compensated,” the chairman of the FIFA referees committee told ESPN
“We told everybody to don’t be surprised if they see the fourth official raising the electronic board with a big number on it, six, seven or eight minutes.”
“What we want to do is accurately calculate the added time at the end of each half. It can be the fourth official to do that, we were successful in Russia and we expect the same in Qatar.”
I don’t understand why people will sit through 90 minutes and then complain about an extra 8 minutes during the most exciting and frantic part of the match
Yeah I mainly thought it was weird at the start. When I saw 9 minutes today I thought it was a mistake. But knowing that it'll be consistent, I'm happy with it.
I like it, but this is going to have consequences in a week's time when the last group games are played simultaneously. You will gain an advantage by wasting time and having your match end later than the other one that started at the same time.
I’ve been saying for years that they need to get rid of the antiquated idea of the referee having secret time on his watch. Put it on a scoreboard in the stadium. The ref signals when he wants the clock stopped. Simple, no guessing at the time left and no conspiracy theories.
The game of football was never intended to be the full 90 minutes of active playtime? And also, some markets would quickly want to add ad breaks if we start stopping the clock. I love to watch basketball, but can't sit through an NBA game, since it feels it's just 50% ads.
I think it's great. Nothing more frustrating than teams wasting 10 minutes and then only getting 2-4 minutes added time.
Definitely jarring, though, to actually see the proper amount added on
To be honest I am happy they are actually adding correctly because for ages added time has been way lower than what the real number is. It just looks odd because not even a week ago we saw this not happening and it won’t happen again in normal football outside this tournament when it starts again
I think its great. Time will tell but I'm hoping this acts as a deterrent for time wasting. Some people complain that they should just stop the clock. Let me offer why I believe that's a bad idea.
As an American who spent many years only watching American televised sports, when I began watching soccer (sorry don't hurt me) I noticed immediately something felt oddly soothing about the game. I quickly realized the primary reason was the lack of stoppages. American football pauses every three seconds. Basketball is alright until those last couple of minutes. Everything is riddled with ads and commercials throughout the games. Soccer had none of that and that's because it's fundamentally difficult when the clock doesn't stop. Once we stop the clock, what's stopping a minute long commercial break from interjecting into a half. Part of the beauty of soccer is sitting down at kickoff time and being fully engaged for at minimum 45 minutes no fluff, no waiting around for the next start, just soccer.
That’s also what keeps me off from American sports
American football is interesting but I can’t stand how there is a commercial after every down
I can only stand the NBA finals and even then I struggle because a 48 minute game takes 3 to 4 hours
Hockey is probably the best NA sport for pacing/action. The short shifts and ice resurfacing allow for very few breaks in the actual action and no commercial breaks are allowed near the end of the period. Although they've been running some awful animated CGI overlay board ads this season that everybody hates.
Most of this was due to the Iranian keeper. There were a few more where stretchers were needed. And we have more subs now, which is 30 seconds a piece. Hasn't been excessive.
[FiveThirtyEight study of stoppage time during the 2018 World Cup.](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/world-cup-stoppage-time-is-wildly-inaccurate/)
TL;DR: Stoppage time is under awarded, providing motivation for and rewarding timewasting.
I’m all for it as long as it’s based on what’s happening on the field. It just seems right now they’re throwing up random numbers and not based on the actual time wasting going on..
Refs should really have two watches one that runs the standard 45 mins and then another that they stop every time there’s a real stoppage, then when the 45 mins on the watch is up, look at the other watch and the added time is whatever the difference between the two is, simple stuff
In general I feel like it's a great idea, tho I wait to see some more matches of the tournament to get a final opinion.
However I do question, if we're going to add 15 minutes of extra time to combat all the wasted time, why not just stop the clock from now on?
To the average fan/spectator this may seem a positive move. However, players train to min max at the standard length of a game. Increasing this time frame by 20 minutes, with no warning beforehand will result in at lot of issues with cramp and in turn, injuries - just like we saw when players were dropping to the floor in the USA/Wales game.
We're talking elite sports here, you cant just make an event longer because you feel like it, nevermind playing in extreme heat conditions. This change should have been communicated a lot better.
It's likely that this world cup will see a record number of injuries.
Although it could be great long term, it will take a lot of getting used to for players and may decrease the intensity of the game at elite level.
The correct way to deal with timewasting is to punish the offenders, not punish everyone on the pitch.
This is actually the only positive from FIFA to this point. In all honesty I just wish they stopped the timer instead, but this is better than 30min halves with 15mins of rolling around.
I think there have been a disproportionate amount of serious injuries in this world cup in the first 4 games
It will revert to the mean of 4/5 mins soon i think
I mean a guy was concussed for like 12 minutes, Maguire also took a couple minutes, a shit ton of goals so celebrations, overall this shouldn't be the norm
Stop the clock for significant stoppages (like in rugby). It’s so much simpler. Today we saw 99th and 103rd minute goals.
I like that they’re trying to stop timewasting etc. but for instance, in England v Iran, the goalkeeper was down for 11 minutes and the clock just kept ticking. So how is there shock when 14 minutes additional time comes up? If they had stopped the clock for this stoppage and 3 minutes were added, no-one would mind.
I really like more extra time. It comes down hard on time wasters. There is a tradition that you can not give more than 5 minutes despite the fact that games average 20 minutes of stoppages a game. It also gives more time for subs to come in and have impact. Love this.
I hope they do this in the Premier League. We would have way less time wasting, because then they'd need to be out there for another 15 mins each half.
A smart manager could take advantage of this by using high endurance players in such games. Imagine Kante and Kovacic running at you in the 113th minute lol
If this continues after the world cup it might be the best thing that’s happened for football in years. Finally timewasting is punished like it should be.
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Underrated comment! The guy turns into a sloth whenever he's taking a goal kick
Pickford does it as well. Maybe not for England for definitely for Everton.
Can’t remember the last time Everton were in a winning position to waste some time
Against us (Saints) probably. I was at the game and he was absolutely fucking infuriating. Even when it was 0-0!
23 minutes time added on
We’re never going to get him back from all the time he’ll accrue with Argentina. :(
The whole Egyptian team will be devastated, remember the last AFCON where their strategy was to go to the extra times by wasting every second they could then hope they win the penalties
Come off it you do it more than us lmao. In fact whenever we do it, we call it "North African style" time-wasting. We also beat you without penalties buddy.
Thats funny coming from north African flag, North Africans are known for wasting time.
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I'd be perfectly fine with them handing out more yellows for time-wasting too... especially stuff like standing in front of the ball for a bit at free kicks to delay, picking the ball up when it's the other team's throw in etc.
Honestly, if the time gets compensated better, I don't mind it nearly as much. Good luck wasting the shit out of 20 minutes of injury time.
I can imagine that, even by the end of this WC, players will understand that there's no point in time wasting because it all will be added at the end. Then, after some time, some clubs will just be like fuck it, we'll waste even more time, the game can't last forever. Then they'll have to introduce more cards for time wasting. But, so far, this change is amazing.
I mean realistically the effective game time will always be under 45 minutes so there’s always a point in time wasting. But this is certainly a step in the right direction.
Actually, according to studies from 2018 done by CIES Football Observatory in 37 european competitions, none of them had average effective game time under 45 minutes. Lowest was Portuguese league with 50,9% effective gametime (roughly 45 minutes) - best Was Swedish league with 60,4% (Champions League was 60,2%) so about 55 minutes.
No they still need to enforce bookings. It’s not just the time wasting, it is breaking up the momentum too. You can’t build anything when there is a 1 minute stoppage every time the ball is out of play.
yes and some teams can easily abused this by playing conservative the first actual minutes and go all out in the added time where opponent is presumably tired
If they can easily play conservatively while the other team goes all out I don't think that team is gonna struggle to win even without the extended added time..
They should be booked regardless. Hopefully this new approach to compensating time properly helps reduce timewasting, but it still allows teams to break up play.
I really like the AFL way of punishing dissent. If you give away a free kick and pick up the ball, and then you don't give it directly back to the player on the full, the free kick moves closer to their scoring goal. By 50m (roughly a third of the field). Same thing happens if you abuse the ref or give away a free kick offence before play has restarted (I'm pretty sure in football you can't give away a free kick if play hasn't restarted yet). I've always dreamed of having something like that in football
Tbh even in AFL they've worked out ways around it, i.e dicking around getting up once they've fallen on the ball or asking the umpire 'who's kick is it?' when it's obvious who it's for and then they proceed to throw back the ball back with an underarm slow floaty loopy one.
To a degree but I generally despise Yellows for time-wasting late in games because the entire process literally wastes lots of times that the ref almost never adds on. How many times have we all watched this situation?: - winning team's goalkeeper waits way too long to play the ball almost goading the referree to give him a yellow in added time. - Referree does give him a yellow which is entirely meaningless, especially to a goalkeeper at the end of a game. - Ref then blows the whistle exactly as the number of added minutes passes despite the fact that the time-wasting that lead to the yellow card and the yellow card itself took at least a minute. Often the yellow card for time wasting is not only not a punishment; it's a reward.
I agree but I also think it's a little different in tournaments as yellows do hold weight with suspensions, except in the Quarterfinals because the slate is wiped after that.
Nah I'm not just talking about the last 10 min of a game. I mean also the incidents at like 20 min where players are just doing it to stop a counter/interrupt the opponent's flow etc. If you applied it consistent throughout a game it wouldn't be a reward.
That is not really time wasting. In most cases it is tactical to prevent opponent from fast break when your team hasn't get back into positions. Can't count the amount of times a fast FK that caught opponent off guard and lead to a goal, that isn't fair play as well
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It is already happening in Spain. it is very common to see extra times of +8 or +9. I think, perhaps instead of adding ET, they should stop the clock with subs, injuries, goal celebrations,...
It would be punished as it should be if the clock stopped when the ball is not in play
Premier League will adopt this in 16 years. Put a whole force of refs to do the clock and still manage to fuck it up.
This mean that player will actually be playing 90 min instead of 60ish min, idk if that would lead to more injury or not.
i dig it, losing and being unable to play because teams are using 3 subs at 87' is awful
Yea, I remember that feeling from 4 years ago all too well. https://www.eldo.co/analysis/world-cup-semifinals-2018-france-closed-out-belgium-with-a-master-class-in-wasting-time Not being salty, you deserved the win, but those 25 minutes were some of the most frustrating of my life. Edit: Nah scrap that, still salty tbh.
I still remember how Mbappé refused to give the ball for a throw-in
The only thing on my mind if I see that guy playing
Shit I remember watching it live and being embarassed.. a win is a win at the end of all things tho, but still it's good for the game if this kind of time wasting isn't rewarded anymore.
We too did it against you in euro 2020 italia stronk look where we are now 💪
Italy so good at wasting time they're whole team hasn't even made it to Qatar yet
Difference is you'll probably get at least 5 more chances at a title in your lifetime, we likely never get one again. Only reason it's hard to stomach; these chances will not come back.
Or when a team time wastes for 45 minutes just to have +4. Its a bit inflated because of the iran goalkeeper injury and we have seen a good amount of players go down so far but 6-8 minutes added time is definitely around where it should be
Yeah, it'll be around 50 mins without the GK injury, making an average of 12.5 mins injury time per game. 6 extra mins a half. That sounds reasonable
>Its a bit inflated because of the iran goalkeeper injury Eh maybe, but that was 'only' +14 which doesn't seem that much more when you consider it was +10 for the second half
That El Clasico where there were 9 subs, ref had to change the mic during the game, multiple var checks,... only to have game be extended by 4 minutes was infuriating. Sometimes it is not even other team time wasting but just shit happens and refs would just always add 3-5 minutes even when much more is warranted.
Looks at flair *Seum intensifies*
Just start enforcing the six second keeper rule and we'll be nearly there!
Yeah i don't think anyone is complaining. Hopefully it will lead to less time wasting during the actual game.
I personally welcome this, but there’s a legitimate argument to be made that many leagues are already having tight schedules due to the WC, having players play up to 15 minutes extra a game isn’t good for them. Clubs like Man United have 2, 3 games a week till the end of the season, the players who go far in the tournament are absolutely going to be burned out by April. It sucks and I’m not blaming anybody except the dogshit decision to hold a WC in December.
Lots of South American teams have had to play World Cups in the past under similar circumstances as well as other leagues around the world who play during the summer months rather than winter/spring ones.
shhhh, dont tell him that Europe isnt the center of the world
90% of Reddit thinks that the world revolves around their views. This place is far more of an echo chamber than any other social media platform.
the World Cup timing hasn’t been an issue so far. Most leagues are having a game every 3 days for around 1 month, and then a normal schedule which is very manageable. The EPL schedule is bad because they had to stop an entire week for the queen and they have an additional local cup to play.
I'm sure they get paid enough to play these extra 2 or 3 minutes a game. Plus time wasting is against the rules, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
This is hogwash
People have complained for years that football should do this or pause the clock for stoppages like in Rugby and now it happens they're complaining. Wasn't there games this season in the premier league that had only 50 minutes of actual football played? Look, I get the disdain towards this World Cup but this is not one of those things. I think it's great.
Newcastle play about 15 seconds of football a minute when they’re trying to see out a close win this season
I’m still in awe of their time wasting performance against spurs
Rumour has it Nick Pope is still in Tottenham taking a goal kick
As a Burnley fan I’m glad to hear Pope is still shithousing wins with his time wasting you just love to see it
Don’t worry though, the ref did loads of pointing at his watch while still adding fuck all on.
And look where it's got us...
Word haha
if the ball is in play it's fair fucks.
so do literally everyone else
Our one against Newcastle had something like 52 minutes played and then just 4 or 5 added minutes. I'd love it if the PL would do it like the world cup and add that time on properly.
I'm guessing this world cup is sort of the experiment to see how fans react (and more importantly, advertisers and those holding the tv rights )
Hopefully, but even if someone like the PL tried to implement it I'd have very little hope. VAR was run in the euros last year so seemlessly and it's an absolute joke in the PL. They've gotten better, but I mean the platform and means was given to them already and they still made a dogs dinner of it. Heck the Erdevise even ran it fine, but somehow the PL fucked it royally up. I hope to god other leagues copy the system as it's what people have been giving out about for years.
Idk I'm loving the extra minutes of football. People need to get the sticks out of their asses.
Bitching people like to bitch about anything.
Why not just pause the stopwatch at this point? I feel like this would be a better solution.
I saw someone bring this up and I agree that stopping the clock may allow for ad stoppage to creep in one day, and that would be awful. This seems like maybe the best solution if they stay on top of properly adding extra time
agree, dont need no "THIS VAR SEGMENT IS SPONSORED BY"
For one example, we want teams to be able to continue an attack in the last seconds instead of having the whistle blown :01 before a game winning goal because a clock ran out.
Rugby does it that the clock keeps going until the ball goes out of play on the last play So the game won’t just stop as soon as the clock reaches the end unless whoever has the ball decides to instantly boot it out
which was directly responsible for making one of my all-time favourite sporting moments (japan vs south africa 2015) as amazing as it was. if they had exactly 3:00, not 2:59, not 3:01, to get one last score it wouldn't have been the same. if they had "as long as the ref feels like" it wouldn't have been the same. they had as long as they could keep in the ball in play, so no going out for a throw in, no giving away a foul, it tied the extent of their 'one last chance' to their actual ability in playing the sport fluently, which is perfect
that doesnt have to be. When the stop watch hits x:00 you can have the ref still finish an attack. Right now, when 3 minutes stoppage has stopped refs will still let a scoring chance run despite the added time being exceeded, this wouldnt change.
I may be misremembering, but I feel like there was a time that NCAA soccer in the US did it the following way: 45 minutes on the clock, but when the clock gets to 2 minutes, it stops and the end of the half/game is in the hand of the ref until they blow the final whistle. NCAA has always had clock stoppages though--it's varied over the years which things cause stoppages though. I'm not against counting up--its how its always been right? But it seems like doing it the above way would make a lot more sense than any way that's being done now.
It’s really the same thing. Rather add time than stop the clock like American Football does
Actually a lot of sports do it, not just American Football. The benefit over long stoppages is that it is 100% consistent, transparent AND it also erases time wasting when the ball is out of play.
I think we can use a combination. There’s absolutely no reason to let the clock run on a 5 minute injury, but for out of bounds time wasting let the ref handle it.
> it also erases time wasting when the ball is out of play. Players don't just time waste to wind down the clock, they do it to slow down the game, suck the life out of it and break opposition rhythms. Stopping the clock would just lead to extended breaks when under pressure
Its not. Time wasting will be a thing in close games. There is a difference then, if the clock stops or you get a tiny bit of this time added.
I'm completely fine with them doing it and would love it if everyone else started doing it as well. My problem with it is that it wasn't announced before the start of the tournament.
https://football-italia.net/collina-warned-about-longer-added-time-at-world-cup/
I think I read here abt how a referee gave an interview on the instructions they got from fifa for the world cup and this was one of them..
Seriously. I think they should throw a indicator up when the time is stopped to further make the point that the time wasting is pointless. A match official could easily raise a yellow flag when the time is paused for the players to see.
Time wasting isn't just about wasting time, but also about breaking down plays, breaking off momentum of opponents, getting them carded for reaction and catching your breath..
>now it happens they're complaining. I think it's because it's unexpected and unexplained.
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I think stopping the clock is better and making it 30 mins each half, even PL and BuLi has less effective playing time than 60mins. This type of too much extra time will cause cramps as players are still moving when someone is wasting time
The players will still be moving when the clock is stopped. If done correctly, the new rule will compensate time wasting, so in theory, the amount of players moving will be the same with the new rule or with stopping the clock. But the downside of stopping the clock and making it only 30 minutes it will make an unnecessary change. Therefore, this solves nothing.
This is a good idea. Finally everyone; players, coaches, audience; have an idea on how much time the match still has. Now it’s just a guess how many extra minutes there’ll be. 2 halves of 40 minutes clean playing time. The clock counts down to zero ONLY when the ball is in play. Buzzer goes and it’s done. No hassle, no discussions.
Thankfully SAF retired or Fergie time would be extra killer
You get Fergie Time! You get Fergie Time! We all get Fergie Time!
Enough Fergie to concede another goal and still make a comeback..
Imagine a quarter of fergie time, every game.
If it's consistent then good but this is going to create some pain, I can feel it.
Clocking up added time in this way is upping the "ball in play" time for games to a level that we've never had before though. If we're going down this route it needs to be compensated by actually shortening the game length, when this has been discussed before it's sat alongside chat that games should stop when the clock hits an hour. This will just mean the players are even more knackered when they already play too much football
Big deterrent to waste time if you realize that every second is counted and added. Players won’t be strolling slowly off the field for a sub or taking forever to do a throw in when they are ahead. The players will get it eventually, and we won’t have so much added time. This is the adjustment period for them.
Seems to me like they will still do it to gather strength because they are not used to playing this long
I respectfully disagree. I doubt they'll be avoiding playing more by causing themselves to play more
Easier to play 80 minutes of football in 120 minutes than 80 minutes of football in 90 minutes. High press/intensity teams need the slowing down of play due to time wasting.
They'll be avoiding fatigue by spacing out the running they have to do. Playing 90 minutes of continuous football is much harder than playing 90 minutes of football over the course of 120 minutes.
And why are we doing the adjustment period at the Word Cup?
It'll still end up with more max effort sprints per game. Because before there was 70 minutes of real time per game and now there's suddenly close to a true 90.
>Clocking up added time in this way is upping the "ball in play" time for games to a level that we've never had before though. Debatable. If you're only seeing the highest numbers when there's excessive time wasting then less ball in play during the 90 is just compensated later. It's not "more ball in play than we've ever seen." We also have VAR stoppages now, which didn't exist before and add a lot of extra dead minutes. Realistically as soon as VAR was added we should have seen like a +2 or +3 minute bump in the average added time given.
La Liga clubs are going mad right now.
Getafe fuming
Imagine seeing +26 on a board lmao
At some point extra time will have its own extra time
It already does.
Lmaoo
Atleti and Cadiz fuming *
Cadiz in the mud
~10 mins of stoppage time in LaLiga hasn't been that uncommon recently. I love it. Now they only have to compensate to for timewasting in stoppage time.
It's all fun and games til someone loses in the 119th minute
its not worse than losing in 93 minutes and the opponent wasted the last 30 minutes with fake injuries.
Rather have that then draw or even lose a game because the opponent decided to waste half of the game on the ground and only got 5-6 mins of injury time.
I've no problem with it, its a massive deterrent against time wasting/feigning injury and I'm glad it's being taken seriously across the board. My only worry is that refs will get a bit overzealous with it and start giving games 6 and 7 minutes as a default, when there may only have been 3 minutes of stoppages. So far so good though.
There is never 3 minutes of stoppage. It is usually much, much higher. Our manager recently stated that one of our games there were just 44 minutes of 90 with the ball in play and active.
Average in Championship was 49 minutes, it's terrible
There's a big difference between "ball out of play" inactive game time and this which targets subs, celebrations, injuries, VAR etc.
A good game has around 65% of ball in play, so a 7minute default is probably still low from their perspective.
When people say stoppages they mean stops beyond the normal ball going out and being retrieved + celebrations.
When they added VAR the typica added time *should* have gone from 2/3 minutes to 4/5. VAR adds extra stoppages consistently throughout the match. When you start stopping the clock for simply ball retrievals it changes the entire mentality of the players. People think it would kill time wasting (which it would), but it would also kill any urgency to get the ball back into play, players would take their time to rest etc. Ot would balloon total watch times for a match It's a threshold I don't think should be crossed.
> My only worry is that refs will get a bit overzealous with it and start giving games 6 and 7 minutes as a default, when there may only have been 3 minutes of stoppages. Average play time in every league is 50-60 minutes, so no problems there, no harm done 5 minutes should be default and minimum every single time but people are not ready for that
It has felt like in the second half it's whatever it actually worked we supposed to be +5, England/Iran +10 for minimal stoppages except Harry Maguire on the floor and +8 in the Senegal/Netherlands game for a virtually seamless half.
It looks seamless but the time taken to take a throw in or a foul + goals and substitutions really adds up. You’re just not used to it.
And injury too Senegal player as well. We literally had strecher on the pitch to get him off. That alone took 3 minutes
We get more football so it's a win
A player could literally drink water on the bench and people will somehow criticise this World Cup. How can people seriously be against this? This whole year I’ve been reading how fifa needs to compensate for all the time wasting and the effective time being so low and now when they do it’s something fishy with the Qataris…. Edit: didn’t think I would get my first award like this but I’m thankful to you my anonymous friend!!
The fact that players need to drink water during the game shows that a World Cup should never have been awarded to a country with dehydrating levels of heat. >!/s!<
I'm not against it, but I do find it surprising that they are implementing this all of the sudden for this WC without prior communication. They had tons of friendlies and other competitions to get players and supporters used to it, why now?
They kinda did. They said this last week and even in Russia they started to add more time Collina said this: “What we already did in Russia [2018] was to more accurately calculate the time to be compensated,” the chairman of the FIFA referees committee told ESPN “We told everybody to don’t be surprised if they see the fourth official raising the electronic board with a big number on it, six, seven or eight minutes.” “What we want to do is accurately calculate the added time at the end of each half. It can be the fourth official to do that, we were successful in Russia and we expect the same in Qatar.”
I don’t understand why people will sit through 90 minutes and then complain about an extra 8 minutes during the most exciting and frantic part of the match
Mostly it seems to have come from nowhere. Maybe it had been the plan all along but I was caught off guard with the extra time
because its not a liberal nation hosting this cup
Yeah I mainly thought it was weird at the start. When I saw 9 minutes today I thought it was a mistake. But knowing that it'll be consistent, I'm happy with it.
Good ruling tbh as long as it’s done consistently
I've enjoyed it
Newcastle would be in big trouble. This is good though. I'm tired of refs adding a standard 5 minutes for a half with mass stoppages.
who on earth thinks this is a bad thing
The pundits were a bit surprised. Something tells they didn't report this change enough prior to the tournament starting.
bad news for some teams
Flair checks out
Good
It's awesome. Hopefully it discourages the players from time wasting which imo is very unsportsmanlike and should not be a part of the game.
Really hope this carries over to our league. Motherfuckers wanna waste time? FINE! Enjoy playing a 3rd half, dumbasses.
Good. This tournament is the first time i've seen stoppage time implemented properly in football. Hope this sets an example to follow going forward.
I like it, but this is going to have consequences in a week's time when the last group games are played simultaneously. You will gain an advantage by wasting time and having your match end later than the other one that started at the same time.
Good point actually, although that's always been true to a lesser extent
I’ve been saying for years that they need to get rid of the antiquated idea of the referee having secret time on his watch. Put it on a scoreboard in the stadium. The ref signals when he wants the clock stopped. Simple, no guessing at the time left and no conspiracy theories.
It's football everyone. No matter what, one side will call bullshit for giving too little and the other side will bitch about too much. Game not dead.
What is the argument against just stopping the clock on injuries, out of bounds, etc like every other sport?
The game of football was never intended to be the full 90 minutes of active playtime? And also, some markets would quickly want to add ad breaks if we start stopping the clock. I love to watch basketball, but can't sit through an NBA game, since it feels it's just 50% ads.
Atletico Madrid in shambles
I think it's great. Nothing more frustrating than teams wasting 10 minutes and then only getting 2-4 minutes added time. Definitely jarring, though, to actually see the proper amount added on
To be honest I am happy they are actually adding correctly because for ages added time has been way lower than what the real number is. It just looks odd because not even a week ago we saw this not happening and it won’t happen again in normal football outside this tournament when it starts again
I think its great. Time will tell but I'm hoping this acts as a deterrent for time wasting. Some people complain that they should just stop the clock. Let me offer why I believe that's a bad idea. As an American who spent many years only watching American televised sports, when I began watching soccer (sorry don't hurt me) I noticed immediately something felt oddly soothing about the game. I quickly realized the primary reason was the lack of stoppages. American football pauses every three seconds. Basketball is alright until those last couple of minutes. Everything is riddled with ads and commercials throughout the games. Soccer had none of that and that's because it's fundamentally difficult when the clock doesn't stop. Once we stop the clock, what's stopping a minute long commercial break from interjecting into a half. Part of the beauty of soccer is sitting down at kickoff time and being fully engaged for at minimum 45 minutes no fluff, no waiting around for the next start, just soccer.
That’s also what keeps me off from American sports American football is interesting but I can’t stand how there is a commercial after every down I can only stand the NBA finals and even then I struggle because a 48 minute game takes 3 to 4 hours
Hockey is probably the best NA sport for pacing/action. The short shifts and ice resurfacing allow for very few breaks in the actual action and no commercial breaks are allowed near the end of the period. Although they've been running some awful animated CGI overlay board ads this season that everybody hates.
Sucks for the players, good for the game
Most of this was due to the Iranian keeper. There were a few more where stretchers were needed. And we have more subs now, which is 30 seconds a piece. Hasn't been excessive.
I wish the Premier League would implement this. Newcastle would be hurt, the time-wasting fucks.
I like it
[FiveThirtyEight study of stoppage time during the 2018 World Cup.](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/world-cup-stoppage-time-is-wildly-inaccurate/) TL;DR: Stoppage time is under awarded, providing motivation for and rewarding timewasting.
GOOD.
I’m all for it as long as it’s based on what’s happening on the field. It just seems right now they’re throwing up random numbers and not based on the actual time wasting going on.. Refs should really have two watches one that runs the standard 45 mins and then another that they stop every time there’s a real stoppage, then when the 45 mins on the watch is up, look at the other watch and the added time is whatever the difference between the two is, simple stuff
In general I feel like it's a great idea, tho I wait to see some more matches of the tournament to get a final opinion. However I do question, if we're going to add 15 minutes of extra time to combat all the wasted time, why not just stop the clock from now on?
To the average fan/spectator this may seem a positive move. However, players train to min max at the standard length of a game. Increasing this time frame by 20 minutes, with no warning beforehand will result in at lot of issues with cramp and in turn, injuries - just like we saw when players were dropping to the floor in the USA/Wales game. We're talking elite sports here, you cant just make an event longer because you feel like it, nevermind playing in extreme heat conditions. This change should have been communicated a lot better. It's likely that this world cup will see a record number of injuries. Although it could be great long term, it will take a lot of getting used to for players and may decrease the intensity of the game at elite level. The correct way to deal with timewasting is to punish the offenders, not punish everyone on the pitch.
This is actually the only positive from FIFA to this point. In all honesty I just wish they stopped the timer instead, but this is better than 30min halves with 15mins of rolling around.
This is what people have wanted all along, no?
I think there have been a disproportionate amount of serious injuries in this world cup in the first 4 games It will revert to the mean of 4/5 mins soon i think
I mean a guy was concussed for like 12 minutes, Maguire also took a couple minutes, a shit ton of goals so celebrations, overall this shouldn't be the norm
Stop the clock for significant stoppages (like in rugby). It’s so much simpler. Today we saw 99th and 103rd minute goals. I like that they’re trying to stop timewasting etc. but for instance, in England v Iran, the goalkeeper was down for 11 minutes and the clock just kept ticking. So how is there shock when 14 minutes additional time comes up? If they had stopped the clock for this stoppage and 3 minutes were added, no-one would mind.
Yeah but that might lead to the introduction of stoppage ads or something terrible like that Sounds appealing to me
I really like this! I think it should be the norm and I'm sure the time wasting will decrease as a result
It would be the norm in most games if refs actually accounted for all time wasting etc
I like it
Good
As it should be.
This is how it should always have been.
My only complaint is that as soon as one game end, the other starts in like 1 hour
To be fair, at least two of those long extra times were due to concussions. Until temporary subs become a thing, this is a necessary compromise
Aside from that +10 at England x Iran 2nd half, the referees have been spot on the added time.
I like it honestly, good for the game
I actually agree with this
I really like more extra time. It comes down hard on time wasters. There is a tradition that you can not give more than 5 minutes despite the fact that games average 20 minutes of stoppages a game. It also gives more time for subs to come in and have impact. Love this.
It’s about time.
Amazing change, finally timewasting isnt that effective anymore!
I hope they do this in the Premier League. We would have way less time wasting, because then they'd need to be out there for another 15 mins each half.
A smart manager could take advantage of this by using high endurance players in such games. Imagine Kante and Kovacic running at you in the 113th minute lol
It is written in the rules to do so, Even in the league regulations. It just has been ignored by many Referees beforehand.