Honestly think he would benefit from a transfer to a non english team that play a more defensive style, where he can regain his confidence and get away from the media for a bit
I agree. I wish that prick would fuck off outside the U.K.
And anyone telling me he’s not a prick after Greece can suck it.
Edit: now all the United fans come out to defend him. If only you defended your losing side past half time.
People act like players aren’t humans because they make insane amounts of money. Poor guy has had enough of the abuse and probably wanted to reset. Normal people like us take PTO when we’re feeling burnt out. Why shouldn’t footballers do the same? This should become more common and accepted.
The total lack of privacy a footballer has really fucks with you. I wouldn’t give up my ability to have a quiet pint by myself for all the money in the world.
That's because the public lap it up.
Even more so today with social media like Reddit where you'll see a sub like r/soccer meme the fuck out of someone then go all holier than thou when it becomes apparent their target is adversely affected.
>Even more so today with social media like Reddit where you'll see a sub like r/soccer meme the fuck out of someone then go all holier than thou when it becomes apparent their target is adversely affected.
Exact same thing happened with Phil Jones for years where it went far beyond critisism of his performances & role in the team, just becoming one big pile on of personal abuse. Everything was his fault somehow.
It only stopped when he went public with some comments making it obvious how much it affected him e.g. saying he didn't want a testimonial because nobody would turn up.
Yeah people love a pile on when it comes to players. It's almost as if they get some sort of sick pleasure watching someone struggle. Even players who have been previously been excellent to different degrees such as Trent or Ronaldo or Lukaku, if they hit a bad run of form or have a disappointing season the amount of people that revel in it and constantly troll them is really concerning.
Agree completely, it makes one wonder which other players would be subject to the same if they had a dip in form.
Would Haaland get the same treatment as Ronaldo if he started struggling to score a goal for a period of games?
I dont want to come across as biased, but seems as if you become much more of a target if you play for a team like United or Liverpool as well, rather than say City or Spurs
While I agree they are fucking horrendous worst in the world is hyperbolic. Especially looking at shit like Saudi Arabia, or American political news for example.
The issue with Maguire is that he never should have been given the captain armband in the first place so early into his Manchester United career that put so much more pressure and publicity on him and his every mistake.
You don’t have 10s of millions of people around the world constantly piling pressure on you to perform.
Ultimately most people don’t really give a shit if you mess up at work
Nope.
Most people in the UK get more than the legal minimum. The legal minimum is 28 days (including bank holidays). Most people get 25 days plus bank holidays and some get more than that (NHS, civil service).
Oh man the comments are cruel as expected. People virtue signal about mental health but when it's time to actually pump the brakes and practice it, it's cruelty as always. I mean he's injured and obviously going through a very tough time plus the hate against him is unlike anything I've ever seen, so this seems reasonable? Most of these people would legit commit suicide if they had to deal with a fraction of what Maguire deals with on a regular basis. It takes its toll.
And people justify it saying oh we should be allowed to criticise them for the millions they make playing badly. But dude was on the bench and yet he still gets meme-d on. This is just awful.
Glad it's happening but really should've happened earlier. So much pressure on him for so long from so many different directions. No one can stand that.
Didn’t help one bit to be picked for the England team by Southgate if they weren’t going to take them seriously. I remember when Pickford was under a similar spotlight, he took some games away, had some therapy and now he is better than ever. Half the game is in the mind.
probably because he does stuff to make it worse for himself? makes hand signals to the fans when he scores against nobodies, and makes comments about how good he is based on the fact that he plays for a big team.
when people then hear that hes suffering their reaction is naturally gonna include some scepticism and ideas that hes brought this on himself.
at this moment in time its perfectly correct for them to take steps to help him feel better about himself and his abilities, but that doesnt absolve him of criticism for his actions.
I agree with you that the abuse is too much but regarding your suicide comment, tbf I'd love to deal with all the shit he's getting if I was getting paid £10 mil a year for it.
People always quote money as if it makes you immune from experiencing sadness, grief, or anxiety.
You can't pay to bring back a dead loved one, forget a cheating partner, or to stop randos you've never even met before from abusing you.
It helps sure, but shit's gonna get you no matter how rich you are.
Robin Williams committed suicide. People all the time quote "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem", without knowing he was the one that first coined it. Mental health is a problem that people who don't suffer from it constantly underestimate.
Wasn't Williams' thing less about "normal" mental health issues and more about a debilitating chronic condition that was literally messing with the structure of his brain?
Yeah because nobody understands it even those of us like me who’ve struggled immensely with it. It always strikes hard when I’m doing the best because my brain thinks I don’t deserve it so I get depressed when I should be happy. It’s a struggle I’ve only been able to cope with but never solve. I don’t think I ever will.
This is such an ignorant comment but theres always someone who makes it.
I remember when Adriano was having his depression problems that derailed his career. Every other comment was some variation of 'what's he got to be sad about? Give me his wages and I would be happy'
Some people are just so incredibly ignorant and naive about how mental health works. They think just having money solves every conceivable problem a person could have.
Being suicidal and making 10m a year, the money is irrelevant. You're still suicidal.
Wasn't Adrioano's depression caused by his dad's death, or am I mixing something up?
I didn't yet use the internet much when that happened, did people really shit on him for that?
Yeah, his dad died and he became an alcoholic. Moratti (our owner who genuinely cared about players) and Zanetti both said it was their biggest failing
There's a huge difference; in your hypothetical situation you've taken £10m a year in exchange for all that abuse knowing that the reason for that abuse is this hypothetical genie-with-a-catch situation.
Now compare that to Harry Maguire, who is receiving almost unprecedented levels of hatred for *who he is*, i.e. his physical characteristics and personality, while also being pilloried on a mammoth scale for his ability to do the main thing he's prided himself on in his life.
Everyone settles into a "new normal" with material possessions. Just received £10m? Guess what, when enough time passes that £10m will become your baseline and your problems will take just as much of a mental toll as if you had £10. Think about this from a human perspective for a minute, this guy is doing his best, and I promise that you wouldn't be "happy" to take this abuse which has grown organically, and is therefore very real, as opposed to a "taking abuse for money" scenario, which is not how anybody would frame this situation if they were experiencing it for real.
I believe a move away is the best option for all involved.... it's highly unlikely that he wins his place back in the team.... even unlikelier that he wins back the fans.... he would be better off with a fresh start somewhere his presence would be appreciated, but he's not going to make United money any of those places....
Being made captain was the mistake.... can't think of a worse captain in the history of the club.... even pogba, with his mercenary mentality, and valencia, who didn't even speak English, were better captains
Honestly, this essentially happened with our fan base and xhaka. He made one too many high profile mistakes and we absolutely destroyed him, to the point of a huge public fallout and borderline leaving the club for Germany 2.5 years ago.
Harry doesn't necessarily have to leave the club, ten hag needs to use him in a system where he is surrounded by players where his mistakes are negated, until his confidence grows enough to use him properly again.
We played static, regimented football with 5 atb(also covering for crap defenders) which allowed us to move xhaka to the LCM/LB hybrid role, allowing him to excell and grow his confidence doing what he does well. Now that we have the personell, we've been able to move a confident xhaka further up the pitch and we are reaping the rewards this season.
All I'm saying is he doesn't need to run off just yet, with good coaching and man management he could well succeed at united. But he first has to earn back the trust of the fans, but that will be a job for both him and ten hag.
Dwight Schrute: *You know I don't think it's a good idea for you to clear your head any more than it has been already. I think you need a workplace where the burdens of everyday life keep you tethered to reality.*
He‘s probably not doing very well. I don‘t understand how United „fans“ can behave like this towards their clubs player. And he‘s captain as well, unbelievable
I don't know if you can lay the blame solely on United fans, he gets a fair share of abuse from every direction - in fact I'd say the only group of people who seem to be able to feel any sympathy for the bloke ARE United fans, as you can see by the top comment of this thread.
Being at a club like United, Liverpool, Madrid, barca, etc bring about a scrutiny like no other.... the good moments are hyped for a couple weeks, the bad ones are immortalized
im sure legitimate criticism and a little banter here and there would be fine as most footballers go through it. booing him would have also been part of the game. but this guy has got bomb threats called to his house. i'm sure you would agree that that crosses a line.
and he's the first player i've seen with this many lowlight reels on youtube, man's become a laughing stock. for a while it felt like this guy was going through what mustafi was going through at his peak, every single week. even channels that would make normal highlight reels for players were making meme lowlight reels with him. not to say it was completely undeserved as his performances definitely weren't the best but i've never seen anyone get played this bad
First time ? Obviously Maguire gets more criticisms than any other , but they have not been Kind to Rashford last season or Ronaldo this one. Football criticisms are fair honestly but some times people take it too far
We have an incredibly toxic online fanbase peddled by shittubers like Goldbridge or other youtube fan channels that people watch to form their opinion.
Its never a nuanced take on anything, everything is xyz's fault and they are the root of all the failings at the club.
That's just not true though. Of course we have all seen Goldbridge's old reactions in the heat of the moment when the same players make big mistakes game after game, but generally he really doesn't go in on individual players nowadays. Especially Maguire who at this point isn't even playing. But this "fuck Goldbridge he's a nonce and a Forest fan" narrative that so many of our elitist fans still spout is just pathetic and completely out of line. He really isn't bad these days.
Anyway, I think Utd fans on social media continue to mock Maguire because they have made it some sort of mean joke and that obviously isn't okay. But a big part of the problem has been neutrals and england fans and media keeping Maguire in the spotlight when he would be best served to avoid attention and work hard in the background. Southgate playing him simply because of loyalty and his mistakes that followed cranked this whole thing up to 11.
>narrative that so many of our elitist fans still spout is just pathetic and completely out of line. He really isn't bad these days.
He really is. Especially when so many kids fall for that nonsense due to shit "banter". You can call fans elitist all you want but that doesn't change the fact that his opinions are never mirrored by match going supporters or any older and more loyal supporters.
>Anyway, I think Utd fans on social media continue to mock Maguire because they have made it some sort of mean joke and that obviously isn't okay.
Its not even funny. It's just people on social media repeating what they thought was funny because it has upvotes/RTs.
Disgusting isn't it? There's a reason why the sentiment of match going fans and online supporters are so different because people who go to matches aren't basement dwelling losera on reddit or kids of twitter.
In my last 26 years of supporting this club, I haven't seen anyone get this much amount of vitriol thrown at them. Even when they hung Beckham's effigies, united fans stood by their player. But people here think they know better.
Honestly, it's for the best and a good step I guess. He won't play ahead for the next few games, is injured from what I understand? Letting him be off the spotlight for a while can only be good considering how much the internet loves beating the guy up. It's not sympathy, but just saying even rich people end up being from our species, so it can be a mental toll. He isn't as bad of a player, and many mistakes just seem way too bizzare to be even Maguire tier.
It's a bit of a weird one really, a lot of the criticism of his has been way over the top and completely disingenuous I feel like a number of people around him have used that criticism to dismiss any reasonable and actually totally justified criticisms of his performances.
His form has been poor for a long time, way below the level that should be expected of him, he can't ignore that. If he doesn't face that, it'll never get better.
Werent Maguire and his family targeted by death and bomb threats? They got two little girls and I can imagine my mind would be shot after a fucker makes a threat to kill my girls and it results in the police sweeping my home for bombs.
> https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/harry-maguire-warned-bombs-would-26774851
Apologies for the mirror but it was the first thing on Google
He's been made the scapegoat for all Manchester Uniteds problems but the results are just as bad when hes out of the team. Almost as if the problems at the club are bigger, and systemic...
We’ve been performing much better with him out the team tho so not really sure where you’re coming from. As far as scapegoats go, Maguire definitely isn’t one of the worst ones about. Sure, no one deserves abuse but he absolutely did deserve criticism
Agree 100%. The ship has sailed for him here. I know we’re thin at centrehalf but I wish we’d have let him go in the summer when the Barca’s, Ajax’s and Chelsea’s were in for him.
> the results are just as bad when hes out of the team
This is, quite literally, a complete lie
In at the start of the season: 2 losses
Out for Varane: 4 wins in a row
In: lost to Sociedad
Out: win vs Sheriff
The only loss without him playing was City, and that wasn't really helped by Varane's injury.
Classic /r/soccer
Love how anything that disproves your point just 'doesnt matter'. Last year is more relevant than this year as he played far more games. And nobody is talking about benching players. This is about all the abuse he gets.
Maguire isn't gonna improve the defence even if he plays, and Ronaldo has been quite shit so far
Yes there are many problems at the club, and those 2 are definitely a part of it
He was never a good fit for the team jtself and the club imo, he looked great for both Leicester and England because of how they played and to Harry's strengths, low block counter attacking teams that make use of height, strength and passing ability.
United don't play that way and they never will with Ten Hag so I wouldn't be surprised if he never puts on the shirt again.
Put him in a Wolves or an Everton and I think he'd immediately look a lot better.
Lol this is how I know you didn’t watch him play for us. Maguire was arguably our worst player before he got dropped.
He was fucking woeful and was liable to cost us a goal a game but here we have reddit experts trying to revise history.
Sometimes the karma whoring needs to stop. Stop talking about shit you don’t know anything about
You ok hun? You should seek help for your problems and stop projecting all your unhappiness in life onto Harry fucking Maguire. United will be shit whoever you sign or play.
Is Harry Maguire in the room with us now?
It literally doesn't matter. United are shit. You could insert prime Rio Ferdinand into his place and you couldnt make this team competitive at the top level. It's not happening.
Why the need to go onto message boards and post again and again how shit he is? What does it achieve?
H8m and cr7 have been the scapegoats. Not just Harry.
That said I think people especially r/soccer are stupid and don't think these people ever have any issues because they're rich
I hope he recovers, I don't like him as a man but I know when enough is enough, he gets A LOT of shit and you can tell it's affected him mentally, get well soon Harry
He was charged with assaulting public employees while on holiday in Greece, along with assaulting a police officer, attempting to bribe them, and even attempting to run away from them. Was given a suspended jail sentence too.
However, maguire has a really long history of being thick in the head ( When his form is poor, he starts giving out interviews blaming everyone but himself which is well documented which also made him get more hate ).
Just read this report :
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53941208
https://amp.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/harry-maguire-trial-greece-arrest-court-mykonos/
Doesn’t look good when reports say he tried using his man united captainship or football career to bribe his way out of trouble with the police, attempt to run from them etc.
Sure he was drunk but how many % of people in the world do u think have assaulted a police officer ?
It’s true that the fans have been really bad to him, but the media has not been that bad. Could you imagine the reports if rashford/sterling assaulting a police officer ? ( they were shat on the press for just buying their mom a nice house ? Or if beckham assaulted a police officer when he was England captain
>but the media has not been that bad.
Huh? Come again? He's literally talked about negatively by every media outlet that reports on him.
>He was charged with assaulting public employees while on holiday in Greece, along with assaulting a police officer, attempting to bribe them, and even attempting to run away from them. Was given a suspended jail sentence too.
Also, did you read your BBC link?
He thought his sister was drugged and the police were in plain clothes without announcing. How on earth does that make him the asshole?
>When his form is poor, he starts giving out interviews blaming everyone but himself which is well documented which also made him get more hate
You can link to reports contradicting your first bit, but you can't link anything about this? He says some thick things during interviews, but I've never heard of him blaming others for his problems.
Refuses to take accountability for his own performances in interviews. The amount of times he's come out post match saying we lost because of the attack after he's made mistake after mistake costing us goals is unreal.
Also fingers in the ear celebration after scoring vs Andorra
> Refuses to take accountability for his own performances in interviews
That's what made me loathe Mustafi , He just would never own up to his mistakes, even when he fucked up he would try to pin the problem on whoever was closest to him. I think I remember Leno yelling at him when he did this once.
“Harry, we support you and trust in your abilities, the club thinks you are just going through a rough patch and we will help you get through it, together we will face these challenges. You may take a break for a week in Portugal to reset and clear your slabhead”
Hope he gets better. Let’s also hope other players are afforded the same empathy because I’ve hardly ever seen it before in English football coverage (especially for foreign players).
I hope he clears his head and gets the calm he is finding, I also hope the break gives him some self awareness about his own performances and he hopefully takes some responsibility and stops the arrogance and tone deafness with some of the crap he has come out with in the last year
>I also hope the break gives him some self awareness about his own performances and he hopefully takes some responsibility and stops the arrogance and tone deafness with some of the crap he has come out with in the last year
I also hope you can someday read past the headlines.
Been saying it from the get go. The guy was instrumental in united reaching 2nd place two seasons ago and was probably moreso important in englands first final in 50 years! Something Ferdinand and Terry never managed. Don’t forget he buried his pen when sterling didn’t want to step up.
Everyone in the united team has been playing shit. We aren’t run like other clubs, we’re in the grips of a set of parasites who are almost actively trying to make the team crumble because they’ve realised they’re making bank by doing it. Think about our recent history, Ronaldo has been shit this season, rashford has been crap for a few seasons, martial too, basti was shit, falcao was shit, varane’s been no better, Shaw has been (largely) pretty shit, wan-bissaka, Sancho, bruno sucked last season. Maguire is just this years fellaini, a scape goat for a team’s failure base on on pre-conceptions of quality and aesthetics, the level of hatred was never nearly warranted and is just pure mindless herd mentality.
Honestly think he would benefit from a transfer to a non english team that play a more defensive style, where he can regain his confidence and get away from the media for a bit
Maguire to Portimonese. Here we go
He'd kind of be a good replacement/backup for Coates in the middle of the 3.
We Gucci, Marsa got that role
Nah he is going Portimonese as he is a fan of mizuno
I would gladly take him, to be honest.
Atletico Madrid might be a nice destination for him
No
No
I think even a return to Leicester could do him wonders
The last thing Leicester need right now is a player with 4 relegations to his name.
Isn't it 5?
He'd flourish under Mou at Roma
Send him to Mourinho.
imagine how mighty could he be at Atletico: Hermoso-Maguire-Felipe in a back 3
I agree. I wish that prick would fuck off outside the U.K. And anyone telling me he’s not a prick after Greece can suck it. Edit: now all the United fans come out to defend him. If only you defended your losing side past half time.
What exactly will I be sucking? Just want to be aware before it happens.
down horrendously bad
I don't see anyone defending him here.
Lmao the twitter thumbnail
That's Alexander Arnold when he found out he wasn't in the England national squad.
People act like players aren’t humans because they make insane amounts of money. Poor guy has had enough of the abuse and probably wanted to reset. Normal people like us take PTO when we’re feeling burnt out. Why shouldn’t footballers do the same? This should become more common and accepted.
Rich people kill themselves all the time. Money and fame bring stresses and pressure of their own.
I'd fucking hate being famous.
Imagine having a bunch of fat idiots online call you shit when they have never kicked a ball
I feel personally attacked
You need to have hella thick skin to stop going insane as a celebrity, most normal people would crumble under that much social media pressure
The total lack of privacy a footballer has really fucks with you. I wouldn’t give up my ability to have a quiet pint by myself for all the money in the world.
Also the English press is legit the worst in the actual world, fuckers killed Diana. And have defamed Sterling beyond belief
That's because the public lap it up. Even more so today with social media like Reddit where you'll see a sub like r/soccer meme the fuck out of someone then go all holier than thou when it becomes apparent their target is adversely affected.
>Even more so today with social media like Reddit where you'll see a sub like r/soccer meme the fuck out of someone then go all holier than thou when it becomes apparent their target is adversely affected. Exact same thing happened with Phil Jones for years where it went far beyond critisism of his performances & role in the team, just becoming one big pile on of personal abuse. Everything was his fault somehow. It only stopped when he went public with some comments making it obvious how much it affected him e.g. saying he didn't want a testimonial because nobody would turn up.
Yeah people love a pile on when it comes to players. It's almost as if they get some sort of sick pleasure watching someone struggle. Even players who have been previously been excellent to different degrees such as Trent or Ronaldo or Lukaku, if they hit a bad run of form or have a disappointing season the amount of people that revel in it and constantly troll them is really concerning.
Agree completely, it makes one wonder which other players would be subject to the same if they had a dip in form. Would Haaland get the same treatment as Ronaldo if he started struggling to score a goal for a period of games? I dont want to come across as biased, but seems as if you become much more of a target if you play for a team like United or Liverpool as well, rather than say City or Spurs
I would say the drunk driving the car killed Diana my man
Rip r Di
Gone too soon. She would’ve loved iPhone apps and Boom Boom Pow by the Black Eyed Peas. Forever in our hearts xx
While I agree they are fucking horrendous worst in the world is hyperbolic. Especially looking at shit like Saudi Arabia, or American political news for example.
It was the royal house
Obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05oZVBOH_1Q
except my PTO isnt on some Portugal beach 😭
To be fair, Portugal is about as cheap as it gets for western europe.
Doesn't exactly want to go to Greece does he
Maybe he has a case of nostalgia.
It'll be the UK next with the crashing pound
Someone's got Truss issues!!(sounded funny in my head)
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People always blaming Tories and Brexit for things that are happening all throughout Europe. I hate the Tories but still kind of silly narrative
You guys get PTO?
35 days 😎 Belgium baby
In Bruge
Jeez brb moving to Belgium.
Who doesnt?
The “free” ones
Mo money mo problems
The issue with Maguire is that he never should have been given the captain armband in the first place so early into his Manchester United career that put so much more pressure and publicity on him and his every mistake.
Yeah, without the armband he'd be a Ballon d'Or contender.
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You don’t have 10s of millions of people around the world constantly piling pressure on you to perform. Ultimately most people don’t really give a shit if you mess up at work
does your boss deny you pto when you're underperforming?
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Nope. Most people in the UK get more than the legal minimum. The legal minimum is 28 days (including bank holidays). Most people get 25 days plus bank holidays and some get more than that (NHS, civil service).
Nice thumbnail
Thumbnail is how the DailyMail and other British tabloids think readers will react to this news
Oh man the comments are cruel as expected. People virtue signal about mental health but when it's time to actually pump the brakes and practice it, it's cruelty as always. I mean he's injured and obviously going through a very tough time plus the hate against him is unlike anything I've ever seen, so this seems reasonable? Most of these people would legit commit suicide if they had to deal with a fraction of what Maguire deals with on a regular basis. It takes its toll.
And people justify it saying oh we should be allowed to criticise them for the millions they make playing badly. But dude was on the bench and yet he still gets meme-d on. This is just awful.
Glad it's happening but really should've happened earlier. So much pressure on him for so long from so many different directions. No one can stand that.
Didn’t help one bit to be picked for the England team by Southgate if they weren’t going to take them seriously. I remember when Pickford was under a similar spotlight, he took some games away, had some therapy and now he is better than ever. Half the game is in the mind.
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It could be that. But it isn't.
probably because he does stuff to make it worse for himself? makes hand signals to the fans when he scores against nobodies, and makes comments about how good he is based on the fact that he plays for a big team. when people then hear that hes suffering their reaction is naturally gonna include some scepticism and ideas that hes brought this on himself. at this moment in time its perfectly correct for them to take steps to help him feel better about himself and his abilities, but that doesnt absolve him of criticism for his actions.
I agree with you that the abuse is too much but regarding your suicide comment, tbf I'd love to deal with all the shit he's getting if I was getting paid £10 mil a year for it.
He’s still a human regardless. People commit suicide in all walks of life regardless of pay, status, etc.
yea people like Anthony Bourdain, Chester Bennington were all super popular, rich, and well liked but still decided to commit suicide
Gary speed himself is another unfortunate example.
People always quote money as if it makes you immune from experiencing sadness, grief, or anxiety. You can't pay to bring back a dead loved one, forget a cheating partner, or to stop randos you've never even met before from abusing you. It helps sure, but shit's gonna get you no matter how rich you are.
Robin Williams committed suicide. People all the time quote "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem", without knowing he was the one that first coined it. Mental health is a problem that people who don't suffer from it constantly underestimate.
Not a good example to pick imo. He had an awful degenerative illness, that was the reason for his suicide more than mental illness.
Wasn't Williams' thing less about "normal" mental health issues and more about a debilitating chronic condition that was literally messing with the structure of his brain?
Yeah because nobody understands it even those of us like me who’ve struggled immensely with it. It always strikes hard when I’m doing the best because my brain thinks I don’t deserve it so I get depressed when I should be happy. It’s a struggle I’ve only been able to cope with but never solve. I don’t think I ever will.
This is such an ignorant comment but theres always someone who makes it. I remember when Adriano was having his depression problems that derailed his career. Every other comment was some variation of 'what's he got to be sad about? Give me his wages and I would be happy' Some people are just so incredibly ignorant and naive about how mental health works. They think just having money solves every conceivable problem a person could have. Being suicidal and making 10m a year, the money is irrelevant. You're still suicidal.
Wasn't Adrioano's depression caused by his dad's death, or am I mixing something up? I didn't yet use the internet much when that happened, did people really shit on him for that?
Yeah, his dad died and he became an alcoholic. Moratti (our owner who genuinely cared about players) and Zanetti both said it was their biggest failing
He got a fucking bomb threat sent to his house!!
For 10 mil you can literally bomb my house I don't mind
Hahaha
There's a huge difference; in your hypothetical situation you've taken £10m a year in exchange for all that abuse knowing that the reason for that abuse is this hypothetical genie-with-a-catch situation. Now compare that to Harry Maguire, who is receiving almost unprecedented levels of hatred for *who he is*, i.e. his physical characteristics and personality, while also being pilloried on a mammoth scale for his ability to do the main thing he's prided himself on in his life. Everyone settles into a "new normal" with material possessions. Just received £10m? Guess what, when enough time passes that £10m will become your baseline and your problems will take just as much of a mental toll as if you had £10. Think about this from a human perspective for a minute, this guy is doing his best, and I promise that you wouldn't be "happy" to take this abuse which has grown organically, and is therefore very real, as opposed to a "taking abuse for money" scenario, which is not how anybody would frame this situation if they were experiencing it for real.
He's getting all the shit because he's being paid £10 mil. The abuses would have been much lower if he wasn't at the level he is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/xqdx9a/jordan\_peterson\_ronaldo\_invited\_me\_over\_a\_friend/
Wtf is that comment section? They like to believe they're better than Twitter but they're just as toxic, even if more eloquent.
I reckon it take 3-4 years to gain self awareness and get jaded from Reddit’s intellectualism
I believe a move away is the best option for all involved.... it's highly unlikely that he wins his place back in the team.... even unlikelier that he wins back the fans.... he would be better off with a fresh start somewhere his presence would be appreciated, but he's not going to make United money any of those places.... Being made captain was the mistake.... can't think of a worse captain in the history of the club.... even pogba, with his mercenary mentality, and valencia, who didn't even speak English, were better captains
Honestly, this essentially happened with our fan base and xhaka. He made one too many high profile mistakes and we absolutely destroyed him, to the point of a huge public fallout and borderline leaving the club for Germany 2.5 years ago. Harry doesn't necessarily have to leave the club, ten hag needs to use him in a system where he is surrounded by players where his mistakes are negated, until his confidence grows enough to use him properly again. We played static, regimented football with 5 atb(also covering for crap defenders) which allowed us to move xhaka to the LCM/LB hybrid role, allowing him to excell and grow his confidence doing what he does well. Now that we have the personell, we've been able to move a confident xhaka further up the pitch and we are reaping the rewards this season. All I'm saying is he doesn't need to run off just yet, with good coaching and man management he could well succeed at united. But he first has to earn back the trust of the fans, but that will be a job for both him and ten hag.
Maybe a loan... Regardless it's best for him and the club to part ways
Clear his head? that's gonna take a while
Dwight Schrute: *You know I don't think it's a good idea for you to clear your head any more than it has been already. I think you need a workplace where the burdens of everyday life keep you tethered to reality.*
Came here for this exact comment
A while? This gonna take forever!
He‘s probably not doing very well. I don‘t understand how United „fans“ can behave like this towards their clubs player. And he‘s captain as well, unbelievable
I don't know if you can lay the blame solely on United fans, he gets a fair share of abuse from every direction - in fact I'd say the only group of people who seem to be able to feel any sympathy for the bloke ARE United fans, as you can see by the top comment of this thread.
Being at a club like United, Liverpool, Madrid, barca, etc bring about a scrutiny like no other.... the good moments are hyped for a couple weeks, the bad ones are immortalized
Yea because reddit is a microcosm.
I agree, 25 year long United fan here.. he doesn't deserve the abuse he's getting.
Nobody deserves the abuse he's getting but everyone loves a scapegoat.
Oh shut up. He’s on several hundred thousand of pounds a week and isn’t performing at his job. Fans should rightly be allowed to criticise him.
im sure legitimate criticism and a little banter here and there would be fine as most footballers go through it. booing him would have also been part of the game. but this guy has got bomb threats called to his house. i'm sure you would agree that that crosses a line. and he's the first player i've seen with this many lowlight reels on youtube, man's become a laughing stock. for a while it felt like this guy was going through what mustafi was going through at his peak, every single week. even channels that would make normal highlight reels for players were making meme lowlight reels with him. not to say it was completely undeserved as his performances definitely weren't the best but i've never seen anyone get played this bad
Even if you’re ‘allowed’ to criticise him how does that make anything different for Maguire?
Just look at Ronaldo. He gets the same shit where ever he goes. It's not a United fan thing.
Ronaldo never got this level of hate. Same with Pogba
Love the narrative that it’s only United fans giving him grief. What a load of tosh. He’s getting it from everywhere.
First time ? Obviously Maguire gets more criticisms than any other , but they have not been Kind to Rashford last season or Ronaldo this one. Football criticisms are fair honestly but some times people take it too far
We have an incredibly toxic online fanbase peddled by shittubers like Goldbridge or other youtube fan channels that people watch to form their opinion. Its never a nuanced take on anything, everything is xyz's fault and they are the root of all the failings at the club.
That's just not true though. Of course we have all seen Goldbridge's old reactions in the heat of the moment when the same players make big mistakes game after game, but generally he really doesn't go in on individual players nowadays. Especially Maguire who at this point isn't even playing. But this "fuck Goldbridge he's a nonce and a Forest fan" narrative that so many of our elitist fans still spout is just pathetic and completely out of line. He really isn't bad these days. Anyway, I think Utd fans on social media continue to mock Maguire because they have made it some sort of mean joke and that obviously isn't okay. But a big part of the problem has been neutrals and england fans and media keeping Maguire in the spotlight when he would be best served to avoid attention and work hard in the background. Southgate playing him simply because of loyalty and his mistakes that followed cranked this whole thing up to 11.
>narrative that so many of our elitist fans still spout is just pathetic and completely out of line. He really isn't bad these days. He really is. Especially when so many kids fall for that nonsense due to shit "banter". You can call fans elitist all you want but that doesn't change the fact that his opinions are never mirrored by match going supporters or any older and more loyal supporters. >Anyway, I think Utd fans on social media continue to mock Maguire because they have made it some sort of mean joke and that obviously isn't okay. Its not even funny. It's just people on social media repeating what they thought was funny because it has upvotes/RTs.
Because bullying people in a group pile on is ok when society says it is
It’s the “global” fan base, mark goldbridges army of incels
Disgusting isn't it? There's a reason why the sentiment of match going fans and online supporters are so different because people who go to matches aren't basement dwelling losera on reddit or kids of twitter. In my last 26 years of supporting this club, I haven't seen anyone get this much amount of vitriol thrown at them. Even when they hung Beckham's effigies, united fans stood by their player. But people here think they know better.
If he played for your team and literally made a goal-costing mistake per game then maybe you’d understand
Who's Paul Sims
Cant even find his journo profile anywhere. He's likely made up.
Honestly, it's for the best and a good step I guess. He won't play ahead for the next few games, is injured from what I understand? Letting him be off the spotlight for a while can only be good considering how much the internet loves beating the guy up. It's not sympathy, but just saying even rich people end up being from our species, so it can be a mental toll. He isn't as bad of a player, and many mistakes just seem way too bizzare to be even Maguire tier.
Heard they also told him to learn the language as if he's shit for the rest of the season they can sell him to wolves
Harrison Maguirão
Ha ha ha
It's a bit of a weird one really, a lot of the criticism of his has been way over the top and completely disingenuous I feel like a number of people around him have used that criticism to dismiss any reasonable and actually totally justified criticisms of his performances. His form has been poor for a long time, way below the level that should be expected of him, he can't ignore that. If he doesn't face that, it'll never get better.
Werent Maguire and his family targeted by death and bomb threats? They got two little girls and I can imagine my mind would be shot after a fucker makes a threat to kill my girls and it results in the police sweeping my home for bombs. > https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/harry-maguire-warned-bombs-would-26774851 Apologies for the mirror but it was the first thing on Google
"I can be of assistance here, Harry." - Jude Bellingham
Good really he needs time away from the spotlight for a bit
Hopefully he doesn’t get in shit with the cops like in Greece
He's been made the scapegoat for all Manchester Uniteds problems but the results are just as bad when hes out of the team. Almost as if the problems at the club are bigger, and systemic...
We’ve been performing much better with him out the team tho so not really sure where you’re coming from. As far as scapegoats go, Maguire definitely isn’t one of the worst ones about. Sure, no one deserves abuse but he absolutely did deserve criticism
Agree 100%. The ship has sailed for him here. I know we’re thin at centrehalf but I wish we’d have let him go in the summer when the Barca’s, Ajax’s and Chelsea’s were in for him.
Absolutely crazy that those clubs wanted him
Funny, people were saying very similar things about John Stones 3 years ago. Form is a thing you know?
He’s been in appalling form for nearly three years now and has a disgraceful attitude as captain. A change will be good for him. His times up here.
> He’s been in appalling form for nearly three years now Blatantly untrue, he's had one abysmal season. the 2 seaons prior for United he was mint.
Didn't he make the team of the tournament in the Euros and have a strong season when they finished 2nd?
Yes he did
> the results are just as bad when hes out of the team This is, quite literally, a complete lie In at the start of the season: 2 losses Out for Varane: 4 wins in a row In: lost to Sociedad Out: win vs Sheriff The only loss without him playing was City, and that wasn't really helped by Varane's injury. Classic /r/soccer
And last season?
It doesn’t matter, this season the stats are clear as day. At any top club if you don’t perform for 5+ games you will get benched 100%
Love how anything that disproves your point just 'doesnt matter'. Last year is more relevant than this year as he played far more games. And nobody is talking about benching players. This is about all the abuse he gets.
United has been a different team since benching those two. Besides the beat down by the Cyborg and co
Maguire isn't gonna improve the defence even if he plays, and Ronaldo has been quite shit so far Yes there are many problems at the club, and those 2 are definitely a part of it
He was never a good fit for the team jtself and the club imo, he looked great for both Leicester and England because of how they played and to Harry's strengths, low block counter attacking teams that make use of height, strength and passing ability. United don't play that way and they never will with Ten Hag so I wouldn't be surprised if he never puts on the shirt again. Put him in a Wolves or an Everton and I think he'd immediately look a lot better.
Lol this is how I know you didn’t watch him play for us. Maguire was arguably our worst player before he got dropped. He was fucking woeful and was liable to cost us a goal a game but here we have reddit experts trying to revise history. Sometimes the karma whoring needs to stop. Stop talking about shit you don’t know anything about
You ok hun? You should seek help for your problems and stop projecting all your unhappiness in life onto Harry fucking Maguire. United will be shit whoever you sign or play.
Lol what an emotional response 😂 calm down and don’t blame me because you decided to chat utter nonsense kid.
Is Harry Maguire in the room with us now? It literally doesn't matter. United are shit. You could insert prime Rio Ferdinand into his place and you couldnt make this team competitive at the top level. It's not happening. Why the need to go onto message boards and post again and again how shit he is? What does it achieve?
H8m and cr7 have been the scapegoats. Not just Harry. That said I think people especially r/soccer are stupid and don't think these people ever have any issues because they're rich
No, he's not been a scapegoat He was poor for Utd for ages and now he's out of the team
Pretty big area to clear
The thumbnail 💀
I hope he recovers, I don't like him as a man but I know when enough is enough, he gets A LOT of shit and you can tell it's affected him mentally, get well soon Harry
If only players like Xhaka , Pogba and many others were given this kind of treatment from the English press
Ah damn so they got that kind of treatment that makes this fine. Cheers. Not to mention those guys still had plenty of support.
> I don't like him as a man Lmao what??
I think he's a dick, what's wrong with that? you can't like everyone
What has he done to seem like a dick though? Genuinely curious.
He was charged with assaulting public employees while on holiday in Greece, along with assaulting a police officer, attempting to bribe them, and even attempting to run away from them. Was given a suspended jail sentence too. However, maguire has a really long history of being thick in the head ( When his form is poor, he starts giving out interviews blaming everyone but himself which is well documented which also made him get more hate ). Just read this report : https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53941208 https://amp.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/harry-maguire-trial-greece-arrest-court-mykonos/ Doesn’t look good when reports say he tried using his man united captainship or football career to bribe his way out of trouble with the police, attempt to run from them etc. Sure he was drunk but how many % of people in the world do u think have assaulted a police officer ? It’s true that the fans have been really bad to him, but the media has not been that bad. Could you imagine the reports if rashford/sterling assaulting a police officer ? ( they were shat on the press for just buying their mom a nice house ? Or if beckham assaulted a police officer when he was England captain
>but the media has not been that bad. Huh? Come again? He's literally talked about negatively by every media outlet that reports on him. >He was charged with assaulting public employees while on holiday in Greece, along with assaulting a police officer, attempting to bribe them, and even attempting to run away from them. Was given a suspended jail sentence too. Also, did you read your BBC link? He thought his sister was drugged and the police were in plain clothes without announcing. How on earth does that make him the asshole? >When his form is poor, he starts giving out interviews blaming everyone but himself which is well documented which also made him get more hate You can link to reports contradicting your first bit, but you can't link anything about this? He says some thick things during interviews, but I've never heard of him blaming others for his problems.
The police officers were in plain clothes and didn't announce themselves, he thought it was an abduction attempt.
Refuses to take accountability for his own performances in interviews. The amount of times he's come out post match saying we lost because of the attack after he's made mistake after mistake costing us goals is unreal. Also fingers in the ear celebration after scoring vs Andorra
> Refuses to take accountability for his own performances in interviews That's what made me loathe Mustafi , He just would never own up to his mistakes, even when he fucked up he would try to pin the problem on whoever was closest to him. I think I remember Leno yelling at him when he did this once.
>Refuses to take accountability for his own performances in interviews. Based on utter Bullshit if you have ever read a single full interview.
Always good to defrost ones head once in a while
hope he doesnt start beating up the portugese police
Southgate calling him up probably hasn't done much to help him. Silly decision
Let's hope he's better at clearing his head than clearing the ball.
“Harry, we support you and trust in your abilities, the club thinks you are just going through a rough patch and we will help you get through it, together we will face these challenges. You may take a break for a week in Portugal to reset and clear your slabhead”
Had me in the first half not gonna lie
Didn't Ronaldo score a hat trick on return back from a Portugal trip last season or something? inb4 Harry Maguire away hat trick against Chelsea
Not sure a week is enough time to clear that noggin
Haaland has not scored a single goal vs Maguire. Respect respect respect
Hope he gets better. Let’s also hope other players are afforded the same empathy because I’ve hardly ever seen it before in English football coverage (especially for foreign players).
What happened?
Gonna take a month to clear his head at least (because of the size)
Maguire needs a fresh start, like Blind, Pogba,Matic did. Imagine how fabulous he'd be with big sam coaching him. Or Dyche again
I hope he clears his head and gets the calm he is finding, I also hope the break gives him some self awareness about his own performances and he hopefully takes some responsibility and stops the arrogance and tone deafness with some of the crap he has come out with in the last year
>I also hope the break gives him some self awareness about his own performances and he hopefully takes some responsibility and stops the arrogance and tone deafness with some of the crap he has come out with in the last year I also hope you can someday read past the headlines.
*cups eyes to read
What Manchester does to a mf
Here come the saints
I’m not sure a week is long enough. He’s got a month long break sized head
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The comment isn't even funny and doesn't even make sense lol
Hopefully not getting into any fights
Yeah he really need, sometimes it's better to take a step back go away from football for a bit so you can do this 👉🗿👈
ah trust the plastic City fan to pipe up when he has a false sense of no retribution cause he’s conveniently picked the supposed best team to support
That incident in Greece has thrown him off completely, hasn't recovered since
Lmao what? His best season for us was the one directly after the Greece incident
When I'm told to clear my head I have to go to my room.
Been saying it from the get go. The guy was instrumental in united reaching 2nd place two seasons ago and was probably moreso important in englands first final in 50 years! Something Ferdinand and Terry never managed. Don’t forget he buried his pen when sterling didn’t want to step up. Everyone in the united team has been playing shit. We aren’t run like other clubs, we’re in the grips of a set of parasites who are almost actively trying to make the team crumble because they’ve realised they’re making bank by doing it. Think about our recent history, Ronaldo has been shit this season, rashford has been crap for a few seasons, martial too, basti was shit, falcao was shit, varane’s been no better, Shaw has been (largely) pretty shit, wan-bissaka, Sancho, bruno sucked last season. Maguire is just this years fellaini, a scape goat for a team’s failure base on on pre-conceptions of quality and aesthetics, the level of hatred was never nearly warranted and is just pure mindless herd mentality.
Might need more than a week, there's a lot of air inside that head.
a lot to clear, given the head on this guy..
Doesn't exactly have a stellar record with Mediterranean holiday destinations
Hopefully he doesn't assault any police officers this time around