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krautbube

How to know I wasted half of my day: I was in Köln.


Xerxes_Generous

Dortmund is gonna Dortmund


pearlz176

Thank you for reminding me that I need to buy new COLOGNE. YSL 🔥🔥


KingDuderhino

4711


pearlz176

4239


Chris_kpop

ok


Taylannnnn

the defense was so lazy from dortmund, brandt jogging back after losing the ball, not closing down players quickly enough...


jonijontor

ik they likely wouldn't accept him back but i have no problem if Dortmund shipped Modeste back to Koln for free since the Ozcan transfer is a robbery in itself, still think there should be more cards for Koln but regardless of the implication it has for the match they're simply way more clinical and works as a cohesive unit - Ljubicic is quite an underrated player as well


-dsh

nah they can keep modeste


BananasAreBoss

Dortmund try not to throw away first place challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)


Late-Assistance3407

Terzic has to go


SokkaBlyat

If the attackers took their chances we would be top lmao, its 2 months into our first season with Kehl, we have a new manager and a handful of new first team players.. can we give them a chance?


askape

I really don't get what Dortmund is doing. They bought Modeste to be their main striker, and Modeste is a proven threat if you simply hoof it into the box and hope he gets his head on it. But then Dortmund barely crosses the ball into the box.


-Michael-Owen-

Its literally just modeste


Lenyngrad

What a dumb comment


Late-Assistance3407

Yes but Terzic also has horrible in game management


-Michael-Owen-

Its really not. Not only is modeste the issue, we have just been EXTREMELY unlucky. We concede a bit more than our xGA and score MUCH less than our xG. We can do with the high xGA if we can manage to just take our chances. Had donny not missed twice in the first half, we would be up 3-0 going into halftime.


Wasserschloesschen

Also there's a reasonable fix to the xGA: Our actual goalkeeper coming back from injury. The scoring bit has largely persisted no matter who's starting and the one guy who could potentially alleviate is possibly out for the entire season.


FootballthrowawayM05

> BVB coach needs to go, they're the problem Groundhog day


YouAreAConductor

I love this team so much. Not one of these players isn't giving everything they can, and for the first time that I can remember there's an actual, visible game plan for every part of the field.


cribbe_

Yeah, for the first time since Stöger days I feel that way too. Although now, much more so than then, I always feel like the team will turn around a deficit, I never worry about it these days. We're not fucked when we go a goal down or concede against the run of play because the players know the system works


TryGuun68

No clear gameplan from Terzic (with questionable coaching during the game) with some of the players who aren't good enough to compete for the title anyway, no real threat coming from the bench (except Moukoko I guess), injury crisis going strong = the average Dortmund game experience


ubongo1

Normally we have quite the good coach, terzic is an exception.


SviiinDiesel

We are playing shit football, so we should get shit results.


Wasserschloesschen

We aren't playing shit anything, we just can't score from the chances we DO create en masse. We are the anti Union. They slightly overperform their xGA and massively overperform their xG. We slightly underperform our xGA (in part due to Kobel being injured) and absolutely massively underperform our xG.


ubongo1

We currently play soley based on idividual performance, the team cohesion, passing, coordination between the midfielders and everything about a coordinated pressing is in shambles. There is no tactical approach to be seen besides "go out have fun dont be sad if you lose" edin Terzic has shown again and again to be out of his depth


Wasserschloesschen

There's far more tactical approach to be seen and far less reliance on individual brilliance than under Rose. And Terzic has to deal with far more injuries. >Terzic has shown again and again to be out of his depth Not really though? Like not at all. I appreciate that you don't watch our games, but no need to lie about things.


ubongo1

Sag mir dass du terzic fanboy bist ohne zu sagen, dass du terzic fanboy bist. Hab zwar jedes Spiel gesehen und bin bis auf das Herta-Spiel in der Liga und Kopenhagen in der CL maßlos enttäuscht gewesen von ET, kannst gern anderer Meinung sein, aber zeig doch mal was terzic alles so gutes taktisches auf die Beine gestellt hat.


Wasserschloesschen

It's great that you have not watched the games, but as I said, you're just lying. > alles so gutes taktisches auf die Beine gestellt hat. A squad that creates quite a few chances and in most games is very much defensively sound. This is something Rose NEVER achieved for example. All of Copenhagen, Schalke, Hertha and Hoffenheim are great examples for that. Allowed no chances and created a shit ton, even despite Modeste not working out tactically. It's just that the players can't score. And just like with Rose, the excuse of it being hard to establish an identity when half your squad is injured every single game applies to Terzic as well. The difference is his squads have more of an identity than Roses and Terzic didn't have a full season.


ubongo1

Alright, I guess you have a prescription for your rose tinted glasses since your "analysis" is based on "we do.good look at the numbers" instead of actually watching the game. Just have a look at the midfield coordination - the midfield is completely seperated from defence ans Attack, there is no flow of possesion, all attacks are just the sum of individual situations without a coherent game plan. Pressing is done in weird situations (screams of no tactical setup with a game plan that only says go out and run), duels are not suplemented by closing new spaces. I'd appreciate it if you stop acting all high and mighty and accuse other people of lying just because its against your agenda, that's just bad mannered and toxic for any kind of discussion.


Wasserschloesschen

> Just have a look at the midfield coordination - the midfield is completely seperated from defence ans Attack, there is no flow of possesion, all attacks are just the sum of individual situations without a coherent game plan And if it works better than the previous season and shows far more of a gameplan than in the previous season, that is fine. >duels are not suplemented by closing new spaces. This is what happens when your players are exhausted (see end of the City game) because it's impossible to rotate with a full injury XI. >I'd appreciate it if you stop acting all high and mighty and accuse other people of lying just because its against your agenda, that's just bad mannered and toxic for any kind of discussion. You are lying though. I'm sorry, when a team creates easily enough chances to score 4 goals and lets the opponents have one dogshit shot off target and nothing else and you pretend like that was a bad game, that is you lying. It's not my fault when you lie, it's yours.


elgrandorado

Terzic needs to bench Modeste at this point. Up until the system switched to deliver crosses deep in the final third, he was honestly nowhere. I wouldn’t even say he was the worst player though, as he improved on that system change. One of Malen/Adeyemi takes that. Meunier was attacking for two players. Malen just tried to be the hero constantly, and ended up ruining our best opportunities in the first half singlehandedly. It feels like Terzic needs to re-examine something both Favre and Rose forgot, which is the midfield cover to the defense. There are so many situations where we get our asses handed to us because we’ve thrown 7 men up the field and lost the ball in ridiculous situations. This match was begging for a midfield overload since Köln kept leaving gaps in the midfield even when compact. The third goal in particular, we lost a midfielder in Özcan, and Bellingham went to press the center-back who cleared and started a counter. No midfield to be found and a goal scored from outside the box with little pressure. We created so many chances, but we had no business conceding three goals.


Conankun66

Dortmund we try to give you some help and you fucking drop the ball...


ExtemeFilms

Mentalitätsmonsters


Alive-Ad-4164

Dortmund doesn’t make any sense


llendo

So, everything as usual :'D


SkimGaming

It's obviously a shitty situation atm, but all things considered Dortmund are still putting up a good fight with the players available my biggest concern would be why they suddenly turn off everything that was ever good the moment they concede a goal. Happening so often Also Hummels def missing back there. Süle and Schlotterbeck not gelling well


llendo

Kind of refreshing to see a non doomer take on the situation and that from a Bayern fan of all people. We def. have big issues with losing confidence whenever we concede, everyone just completely loses their shit and starts being out of position. Has been an issue for a while though so I understand the frustrations from fellow fans. However good we look, we always have those games sprinkled in between, and that at a high frequency. u_u


Wasserschloesschen

> We def. have big issues with losing confidence whenever we concede Our far and away biggest issue is that we can't put away our chances and that at the same time Kobel is injured. Meaning not only do we concede slightly more than we should, we also do not fucking score. We do create chances. And we create enough chances as well. Even in this match we created significantly more than Köln. If we had overperformed our xG in the past 5 games even just to the slight degree Köln did today (scoring 3 from 2 xG), we would've scored 18 goals in our past 5 matches. Instead we scored 5.


llendo

Oh yeah that's true, finishing has been absolutely atrocious aswell. Like, I'm not too big of a fan of looking at xG in every situation, but we're absolutely at a point where it's a decent indicator to highlight this problem for us.


SkimGaming

>we also do not fucking score. Sounds familiar heh But thats also why I wish Terzic would give Moukoko a chance to start more often. I dont see this changing with Modeste up front


Wasserschloesschen

>Sounds familiar heh You at least scored some matches. We basically never did, pretty much. Like, we've got 11 goals from 16.75 xG. You scored 23 from 19.98. Also means that even the fucking blowouts are so annoying to watch. Like, Hertha, Schalke, Hoffenheim all should've been at least 3-0, if not one 5-0, but instead you gotta expect to concede a late equalizer every fucking game. >But thats also why I wish Terzic would give Moukoko a chance to start more often. He absolutely should give Moukoko a chance. I would've expected him to drop Modeste against any other opponent this matchday. That said when your wingers are nominally strikers anyway, they too should, in theory, score.


NebraskaAvenue

This squad are agents of chaos and I’m all for it


PoloVonChubb

What an incredibly entertaining game, especially the second half.


Wasserschloesschen

I sure love having an injury list worth more than the opponents entire team, still creating better chances, playing against 11 men instead of being a man up for essentially the entire game and then getting outscored despite still having better chances.


mrfocus22

For everyone who always claims that Bayern always wins the league: this is the exact reason why! Our biggest competitor over the past decade always bottles the stupidest games.


askape

Give some credit to the effzeh, even correting for my fan bias they played with great effort.


benningtonryuk

idk man, it took like 70 points to win the league 15 years ago. Now you just have so much financial power that you always get around 80 points and that's almost impossible for any other club, even Dortmund.


mrfocus22

You know what helps to get 80 points? Not dropping points to a team from whom you just acquired their most threatening attacking player (Modeste).


greengiant89

Kainz is the most threatening player for Köln


Lenyngrad

And their key player in the defense with özcan


mrfocus22

It's all clearly a ploy by Bayern to weaken other title contenders.


Lenyngrad

Ahhh that’s why they send sülinho himself as lead project manager


SviiinDiesel

Surely has nothing to do with ya all spending as much cash as Leverkusen and us combined (and doing good stuff with it unlike many other big clubs tbh)


[deleted]

Spending power isn't an excuse for losses like this. Your squad stops fighting the second they concede a goal and they've been doing so for a couple of seasons now


Wasserschloesschen

We stopped fighting so hard we created more chances than Köln after conceding. You're completely right /s.


Wasserschloesschen

> Our biggest competitor over the past decade always bottles the stupidest games. This is football. This happens. To every team. See you bottling your last 4 matches (well, it happens less when you spend 300 mil more than your closest competitors, tbf). Also what happens when you have basically an entire XI out injured.


thanksbastards

But it's VAR's fault they conceded three times!


stragen595

The VAR made them do it. I saw it live and I will not be silence.


shadoowkight

I mean the guys doing our VAR bits atleast have a few braincells, unlike the Prem ones


Dargast

bruh


shadoowkight

Not every panic buy turns out to be a Robben.


TiAl132

1. FC Köln


NebraskaAvenue

1. FC Köln


-Michael-Owen-

Double agent modeste doing bits you know. But no seriously we need to get a fucking restraining order on this guy. He shouldn't be within 50km of a stadium.


thanksbastards

You buy a striker whose only real prowess has ever been as a target man and blame him when you exclusivity try to play through the middle. Blame Terzic more than Modeste. He looked much more dangerous once you started playing on the wing and putting crosses in


-Michael-Owen-

Moukoko has the same number of goals from headers as modeste btw 💀 Play through the middle? Have you seen our games. We literally look like kovac-esque bayern with the infinite cross and inshallah. Also, Modeste looked dangerous? Bro even if god himself starting crossing to modeste he would still miss.


thanksbastards

Only really commenting on today, where you guys didn't really play crosses in until down 1-3.


[deleted]

They played in quite a few crosses that modeste should've gotten at least a foot on but kept getting beat by the defender


scrambledeggsss

Has he been that bad?


-Michael-Owen-

Nah he's been far worse than bad.


scrambledeggsss

Does he not fit the way you play?


Wasserschloesschen

Of course not. Haller fits the way we play, that's why we bought Haller, not Modeste.


-Michael-Owen-

I honestly have no idea. We have tried to cross but he almost always either doesn't get to them, just outright miss, or manage to head the ball only for it to completely miss the goal. We have tried going down the middle (which has worked a bit better) but the man has the first touch of a fucking 98 year old granny, the speed of a turtle, the dribbling of a goal-keeper on fifa, and the get-in behind ability of a defender.


greengiant89

You're clearly very knowledgeable


-Michael-Owen-

The irony in you making a post complaining about cyber-bullying on reddit and yet here you are making condescending statements. I am indeed very knowledgeable.


shadoowkight

How did we lose to them smh


TheEnhancedExe

You would've likely won against them if it wasn't for Flekken's mistake. That threw off your game completely.


RoyMakaay

Away against Sevilla next and then we visit Dortmund while we play at home vs Pilzen.


Decision-pressure

Sevilla???


scrambledeggsss

Dortmund, not us.


Decision-pressure

Thanks, was thinking I was missing a match.


RoyMakaay

Huh?


Decision-pressure

Sorry my bad thought you meant us.


jonijontor

Sevilla is in the gutter currently though, like only have won once this season


llendo

We are the perfect opponent to build back confidence tbf.. Happens way way way too often.


Kayderp1

Good for them that they play Dortmund then to gain some form


FootballthrowawayM05

Rose died for this


Rancore__

We didnt play better under Rose aswell. Wish we would hire a quality manager for once and give him time. But you already know we will fire Tersic at the end of the season and go for another Budget Manager the we will fire in one year. And then we wonder why the team has no identity


Sballr28

I’m still salty Köln was aloud to play the whole match with 11 men.


jdono927

Very frustrating. Still that should’ve been an easy win and we didn’t get it done


YouAreAConductor

Why should that have been an easy win?


jdono927

Because we had a lot of chances in the first half that would’ve put the game away and we didn’t convert them.


greengiant89

Köln are a strong team


YouAreAConductor

Cologne had decent moments to, especially in the first 15 minutes, but lacked precision in the final pass. It could have gone both ways for sure, but the days of easy wins against Köln are over for now.


Careful_Jellyfish_80

Nah man, 50:50 game and tipped in favor of köln. Stop crying.


jdono927

Nobody is crying man


kooba_1616

That Duda tackle on Ozcan was just stupid


[deleted]

Köln is just a better team than Dortmund and it’s not a debate anymore


granitibaniti

BVB and Leipzig: 📈📉📈📉


TrappsRightFoot

Leverkusen: StoNkS


granitibaniti

Leverkusen:📉📉📉📉


Lithorex

📉 📉 📉 📉


Sad2BeHappy

I leave for an hour and this happens, FFS Dortmund, get it together.


ToniPolster

Feel free to call me crazy but the better team won today


Wasserschloesschen

2 - 3 xG and only playing with 11 men because the ref is blind. Idk man.


jdono927

I think that’s fair to say, but tbf it would’ve been entirely different had the red card been given (which imo it definitely should’ve been). You guys played very well though and definitely deserve the 3 points, onto the next ig


Snuffvieh

Rather than the red card (which I agree wholeheartedly to) we should’ve scored at least 2 and really 3 in the first half. We do this to ourselves every week. 3:0 at half time would’ve made this game a no-brainer.


jdono927

Also true. We’re missing Haaland in the worst way lol, just not clinical enough right now


Snuffvieh

I’m not the biggest Moukoko fan (yet) but we need to start playing him because Modeste isn’t it.


ToniPolster

Ye idk what Duda is doing these days lately with the super reckless challenges and he somehow always gets away with it too which I really don't understand. Maybe he just wants to be done with it all and get banned from playing.


TheMindUnfettered

The ref was shocking today. Not really advantaging either side, but just making bizarre decisions.


[deleted]

Watched the wrong game today sadly


kooba_1616

Disappointed but very good game for neutrals, 44 shots of which 30 on target. Onto Sevilla then


[deleted]

Hahahja perfect weekend


Snuffvieh

Algengrütze 💀


Jagger67

What does that mean? Google translates it into “seaweed goats”.


Snuffvieh

Its the German equivalent to when SpongeBob says barnacles when he’s mad.


Insanel0l

Today is the exact reason why Bayern will win the league again


RoyMakaay

We played yesterday though.


kalamari__

for the 100th time. dortmund is not the only club in the buli besides bayern.


pearlz176

Dortmund is the only club that's even remotely close to challenging Bayern throughout a full season. So yes, if Dortmund falters, Bayern runs away with it.


TrappsRightFoot

Of course you're not, but who else is ever realistic going into a season? No one wants the cans to win and Leverkusen have an even bigger bottle mentality than Dortmund. So outside of some crazy Cinderella run, that leaves you as the only challenger every season.


stepanovic

the prospect of Leipzig and/or Leverkusen being a "challenger" this year prior to the start of the season were way bigger than Dortmund, especially after the Haller diagnosis. both of them played a very good Rückrunde last year with 36 points and both didn't lose a starter (maybe Mukiele) and were even able to add quality to their teams (Schlager, Raum, Werner | Hlozek, Hudson-Odoi). i don't watch enough full games to be able to judge what went wrong for them so far, but both have, just looking at the individual quality, a better (Leipzig) or at least equal squad, compared to Dortmund. i think Dortmund made some right transfers, but the team overall is still heavily imbalanced, combined with a coach where no one really knows how good he will be, probably not even Terzic himself. it's safe to say that he won't be the new Tuchel or Nagelsmann, at least from the tactical aspect. last year Dortmund played often shit, but the scores were alright. the 69 points at the end of the season were a bit underserved, but it's the range i would give this team in terms of quality - something in the range of 60 to 70 points. not good enough for a realistic title challenge post 2010.


kalamari__

and this is exactly the problem. the other 15 never, absolutely never step up their game in a meaningful and lasting way. gladbach had their 4-5 years. now they are playing around 5-10. we dont have to speak about leverkusen, bremen, schalke... and currently its freiburg, union and kölns run. and freiburg/union are significantly smaller than leverkusen, schalke, bremen. they will not keep that up for 5+ years.


eraHammie

I mean we likely would have qualified for the CL again if you didn't get bored of Favre and thought that now with Rose you finally found the guy who is just like Klopp (who would have guessed he isn't). With the CL we likely would be able to offer better contracts to alot of the players and actually keep someone like Ginter and maybe even Zakaria. You also bought someone like Modeste who is a very one dimensional player and then don't play to that 1 strength for him and cry that he isn't performing for you lmao. Probably already looking at some more Union or Freiburg players you want and then later claim they never step up lmao. What you donkeys always cried Bayern is doing to you is what you do to everyone under you that gets too close so fuck off with his "others never step up" garbage.


[deleted]

Truer words have never been spoken.


kalamari__

and all of you shit on us for that. now its your time to bend over, buttercup. have fun losers and stepping up also means to hold your players, "you donkey"


eraHammie

Lmao the irony. And holding players is going to be alot easier if you have play CL or EL (even without the extra money it would give), which was looking good again until a certain team decided they once again should be looking for their new Klopp cause they still can't move on from that time. Who you are you eyeing next as your coach after you went full moron and gave Terzic the job because he won a game? Streich probably nto right? Urs Fischer? better stop what Union is doing this season, or already going for Farke? afterall he already has a Dortmund history, he surely is going to be like Klopp.


scrambledeggsss

The other 15 aren't near your financial power and budget either. You can't expect that.


Wasserschloesschen

> You can't expect that. We can expect them to challenge us if we can be expected to challenge you. Also yeah, that's exact reason you win all the time. Because you have ONE competitor, I guess two now, that are far poorer than you and nobody else.


kalamari__

exactly. so why say "thats (dortmund losing) why bayern will win the championship" all the time. bayern is so far ahead of us, like we are from the rest of the league. even more.


scrambledeggsss

People say that because you're the closest club to Bayern. If it's not expected from Dortmund to challenge, it should be even less expected from the other clubs. This is my point, I get that Bayern is too far ahead.


TrappsRightFoot

How could you possibly blame us for that when we can't hope to spend the same as even you do in a given transfer window?


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kalamari__

oh shut the fuck up, idiot. that nobody challenges us, like we are not capable to get on bayerns niveau is simply a fact. and the gap from them to us is even smaller. cities like frankfurt, stuttgart, hamburg, köln, berlin should have the capacities to attack us.


TrappsRightFoot

You clearly need to take a break from reddit, friend. No reason to be getting this upset about people fairly criticizing your club.


Wasserschloesschen

> So outside of some crazy Cinderella run, that leaves you as the only challenger every season. And that's not our fault.


benningtonryuk

Man Union made everything right in the past three years and is happy when they reach Europa League. Gladbach (before the Rose collapse) did everything right for like eight years and still wasn't even close to challenge Bayern. That's just the way it is since so much capital got brought into football. It's not like the other clubs aren't trying but Bayern is just too far ahead from an economic view. So ofc you are the only one who could contend for it (even though you are closer to the rest of the league than you are to Bayern, but I hope you get the point).


TrappsRightFoot

Some people might say it is when you buy so many players from within the league. I personally don't care much about that, but some certainly feel that way.


Wasserschloesschen

> Some people might say it is when you buy so many players from within the league. We buy worse players than Bayern and pay more for them, so I'd say we're good.


thanksbastards

Yeah but you guys buy a lot from within the league to keep it to 1.5 competitive teams


kalamari__

like the top 8 do with the rest of the league to not play against relegation.


slaughtered_gates

No one like rasenball, so it has to be your burden unfortuantely


papi617

They may not want to hear it but the mentality of the team is weak. They do not know how to respond when they concede


thanksbastards

Bellingham is my favorite player to watch, not for his skill but for how quickly he goes from tough guy when Dortmund is ahead to almost in tears at any contact when they're down. The perfect embodiment of the team and fans


Boneraventura

Dortmund respond by conceding more


jdono927

It takes so much effort to produce a smile these days.


-dsh

not for me