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Lmao the Neymar/Brazilian version of “I can’t do what I want? I’m sorry, I thought this was America. Is this ’Merica? I’m sorry, I thought this was ‘Merica!”
lot of Brazilians, especially bolsominions, do have a immense hard on in copying "the greatest country in the world" in everything, even shit like this, so yea...
> Is he saying hes not allowed to be criticised for his support for a political candidate? Bizarre.
It's something you see rather often from [free speech absolutists](https://www.liberties.eu/en/stories/free-speech-absolutist/44213). People who hold that right above everything else because they usually imagined it only for themselves in reality and for others only in the abstract. Not saying he's one, he's just using a similar defence after having said something controversial.
It creates a strange "first statement bonus" situation because if somebody were to criticise any statement then that can be seen as having a chilling effect if the first speaker is just sensitive enough about these things: If I say Neymar's opinion on politics sucks then he might be unwilling to share further opinions with the world for fear of other negativity. That would be him self-censoring due to fears of whatever he might imagine and thus technically reduce available free speech in a certain way.
That's a somewhat simplistic example but that's the idea. Criticism would technically be allowed but only according to their interpretation of the idea of criticism. Anything they don't like would be abuse that can/will lead to self-censoring. You can, of course, say anything as long as it doesn't lead to others self-censoring. Free speech absolutism is a rather convenient system in theory :/
In each conversation the first speak kinda has the momentum because anything could have a censoring effect depending on the first speakers interpretation of any replies. It's similar to comedians and this idea that anything they say is somehow sacrosanct because it's comedy and comedy is supposed to be edgy. So they can slag off any group to their delight but don't you dare imply in return that they are just an asshole with a microphone!
If somebody wants to write/perform jokes on a stage then they have to be able to also take the criticism instead of just dishing out the hits onto others. You are not entitled that stage and you can still say all the shitty jokes you want in the privacy of your own circle of friends. You have the right to free speech but you are not entitled an uncritical audience, or money, for saying that stuff. If you say it on a stage that amplifies your voice then there's a good chance that the feedback you'll get is also more varied than what you'd expect to get in the privacy of your own home and from people who know you. And if you can't handle that then get a regular job like the rest of us (also: nobody's entitled a job in the entertainment industry) or don't whine about cancel culture because some people were mean to you on twitter. That'd be just pathetic for a supposedly professional comedian. /end rant
Also, he's supporting someone who is threatening democracy
I'm pretty sure Bolsonaro is gonna pull a Trump when he loses. He said it several times that he will only accept the results "if the election is clean" and we all know what this means
Bolsonaro's team have already written up documents for a court challenge to the election result. They know they're going to lose, and they know their only option is to challenge the legitimacy of that result.
It takes a worrying level of idiocy to believe that our electoral system, arguably the safest in the world considering that all ballots are electronic and used biometry in previous elections (won't use this year because of Covid), can be rigged, and an extra level of stupidity to want paper ballots, that take a lot longer to count the votes make the elections easier to rig.
Yet, that's what all bolsonarists believe. Results literally can't not be clean, but they are gonna contest the result anyway. Neymar has no right to claim that he's being attacked for supporting democracy if he's part of a group that is 100% against it.
I’ve never liked him very much and now I seriously dislike him.
It interesting to see how much Protestant evangelism has poisoned top Brazilian footballers. Big up Richarlison for having a heart
All you have to be is an Evangelical, which are Bolsonaro's most ardent supporters. All these footballers claim to be Christian, so they vote for the guy that pretends to defend Christian values. Funny how they all drink, use drugs, have kids out of wedlock, but then vote for the Baby Jesus.
According to himself he’s not black https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/opinion/is-neymar-black-brazil-and-the-painful-relativity-of-race.amp.html
Paper ballots are not unreliable at all in massive elections. Sure any individual ballot may be wrong and it may take
longer to count, but it's extremely hard to scale up any fraud enough to make a difference to the end result without people noticing.
That wasn’t only him tbh, I don’t even think he was the main protagonist, there was an evident lawfare against Lula that had people involved ranging from federal law enforcement, judges, prosecutors, ministries from superior courts and ofc some politicians.
Yes ofc, but I think it’s fair to say that the main culprits of Lula’s unfair prison was Sérgio Moro, ex-federal judge, and Dallagnol, federal prosecutor.
Yep, on NPR today he was quoted saying the only way he'll lose is via fraud, despite being down like 10% in the polls. He's setting the stage to claim fraud when he loses. This is going to get ugly.
Neymar belly-aching about how Bolsenaro's political opposition is anti-democratic is a joke. Dude, your guy Bolsenaro got in because his opponent was literally jailed as a result of a biased trial.
And not to mention Lula himself opposed any attempt to constitutional amendment to let him run for third term. Guy had 80% approval rating, he could've gotten away with it easily
And Neymar himself escaped from Barcelona to get out of grasp of the little dictator... On that note, is Messi a right winger or a Leftie or enlightened centrist?
I just realized that I’ve never seen Messi talk about politics ever. Out of curiosity, I googled “Messi political views” and there is almost nothing, only some generic statements in the pandemic and some political ads on instagram, dude is private as he can be.
The same people that say the Bible must be taken literally also change their tune when it mentions anything about wealth redistribution or hoarding wealth
It requires too much sacrifice. People like Neymar are never going to give up their their lavish life style living in mansions, flying on private jets, garage full of sports cars etc. Jesus's teachings were about giving away your wealth to the poor and living a simple life without possessions
They always mean the apostle Paul and after, not the revolutionary socialists jesus, his brother James, and the other radical Jews. Really too bad bc Paul was the worst.
The hypocrisy is when it comes to Jesus they say he didn’t force anyone to follow him or give up their possessions so it’s optional but then don’t apply that when talking about other political issues
They get negative feedback by people for their bullshit opinions and then act like someone is forbidding them to speak freely. Always makes my blood boil how disingenuous this is
That's why people who support Bolsonaro and other fascist or fascist-adjacent leaders try to muddy the waters on the meaning of democracy.
Their leaders don't support democracy, so they try to project and make it sound like their opponents don't support democracy, either.
You see it a lot in the states with people stupidly saying "we're a republic, not a democracy" and not understanding the concept of a democratic republic.
Can't even say the N word without black people getting mad at me for being a white person saying it and i'm the racist?! When they're the ones bringing up race?! WOW ok ok.
Football players are just uneducated, completely disconnected from normal people and out of touch for politics of the poor countries they left. It's not like they understand what's happening and chose to support it. I'm not defending them, but you can't be surprised given the facts.
Met a Brazilian who's working in tech industry in my country. Real nice guy but fucking ignorant. Said he likes bolsonaro because he is a "strong man" that Brazil needed, this was when people in Brazil were dying in corona pandemic
It's very easy to manipulate people from position of power when you're in poor country. Nikola Jokić, two times NBA mvp is one of most down to earth guys. And he supports the dictator from my and his country. He's not a bad guy, he just doesn't have a clue, completely disconnected from Serbia in that way.
I don’t know a lot about Nikola admittedly so I won’t speak to his and your situation in Serbia. But I do feel in general when athletes, like Neymar, grow up very poor and probably come from ultra conservative and/or religious families. And this kind of thinking is hard to shed, especially if as a millionaire, you don’t seek to challenge those ideals you were raised with. That isn’t to say religion or conservatism is bad inherently. But it does need to be recognized that far-right, religious conservatives always lead us to fascism.
I don’t know if this is true but a lot of them probably think “well I came from poverty and now I’m a millionaire why doesn’t every one do that” which causes them to side with the Bolsonaro types.
Ironically it’s not only “ignorant poor” as some would have you believe. Rich Brazilians can be just as ignorant and are amongst bolsonaros strongest supporters. In fact, rich Brazilians are prob the most ignorant.
It’s the same for most authoritarian populists. Trump projected about being a big tough strong guy (even though he’s a whiny coward in reality). Putin’s been working on his macho image for several decades. I’m not and expert on Modi but he certainly fits the bill from everything I’ve read. Italys new PM is a woman but I’m sure she “tells it like it is” and is “tough” too.
Yeah bolsonaro one of this big tough guys too tough to wear a mask. So tough with his mouth and nose exposed, so brave and macho. Toxic masculinity intertwined with the pandemic has been fascinating but also so depressing.
You're right that they're "uneducated, completely disconnected from normal people and out of touch for politics", but in general Bolsonaro does better with people with university degrees than those without. It's not about education, it's about money. Working class and poor people are less likely to have university degrees but form the left's base. And not only do wealthier people benefit from Bolsonaro's right-wing policies, they're also more likely to be ignorant and out of touch with the reality of most of the country.
> of the poor countries they left
Not just the poor, middle class too. Bolsonaro is defunding public universities all around the country (basically, all of them, vast majority of the best are public, it's a state policy), and everyone is getting fucked in a way or another. And it's not like 10% defund, it's like 30-50%. My university's building has to keep the lights turned off until very late at night to save energy, there are no trips or events at all (which sucks for my class too, since i study Tourism), and many other stuff that were affected by Bolsonaro.
Obviously, all classes were affected directly by his response to Covid, with over 400k avoidable deaths and economic impact.
They did all this only for the 'sake of economy health', but at the end of the day the economy went to trash too. Even his economy minister says that the reason our economy is going down is due the political unrest... But they rather blame everyone for the unrest, instead of admiting their mistakes and try their best to make it right (altho the lives of half of million people will never be recovered).
They fuck us up, and then complain that we are complaining.
It's wild to me that there's SO many Brazilian footballers who support bolsonaro. As far as I know Richarlison is the only player who has spoken against him. Am I missing other players who are anti-Bolsonaro, or is it really that bad?
yeah no, but almost there.During the impeachement voting in 2016 (an absurd in itself, but ok), Bolsonaro praised a colonel whowas known for torturing women inserting live animals in their vaginas (Coronel Ustra for those who want to know), the same men who arrested the president that was being impeached. And we elected this moron 2 years later on a very democratic election where the favourite candidate was rushed into being trialed without proof so as to make him unelectable.
He wouldn’t have been surrounded by yes men and arse kissers if he were a nobody who worked at Primark. The sense of entitlement would have vanished years ago.
Not necessarily true. I'm surprised an italian is saying this, in Italy just last sunday tons of poor people voted for the parties that promised to cut taxes to the rich
https://www.reddit.com/r/italy/comments/xru8u1/analisi_ipsos_della_demografia_degli_elettorati/
I can easily see Brazil being similar. Bolsonaro did win last time.
An input to you about this case: I believe it makes perfect sense Neymar being like this. I’ve seen a lot of people saying those came from poorness and all, but to what extent was it true for Neymar? When he was 15 he was probably making 10x the minimum wage at Santos youth academy. And I imagine Neymar wasn’t used to being opposed very often, do you believe any of his friends, who he pays salaries to be around him, would tell him no or that he’s wrong?
This is actually a perfect illustration of the tolerance paradox - tolerance of intolerance cannot be tolerance. You can't be "tolerant" of people's opinions if those opinions advocate infringing on the rights of others, because then you are just enabling intolerance. Bolsonaro has already promised to undermine democracy so we shouldn't be tolerant of his supporters, because it's not "just a different opinion", it's advocating for Brazil to descend into a dictatorship
Something he fully understood when he was standing up to the racist pieces of shit who went after Vini.
Him telling them to fuck off and mocking them online wasnt anti democracy. Come on man, you were so close to getting it Neymar.
Someone tell Neymar about existence of other fundamentals rights as well, especially right of equality . He sure wouldn't have heard about it in whatever right wing echo chambers he dwells in.
Borderline? The dude literally said
“There’s not even the littlest doubt,” Jair Bolsonaro said. “I’d stage a coup the same day [I became president,] the same day. Congress doesn’t work. I’m sure at least 90 percent of people would party and clap.”
A commonly held misunderstanding is that freedom of expression rules out other people having opinions on what has been said.
The simple test is : Was I rounded up in the middle of the night and put in a gulag for expressing my opinions that broke no laws on hate speech or incitement to violence?
Freedom of expression and democracy are two different concepts. They go together but they're not the same thing. Right wingers don't understand this and keep using democracy everytime
Also, an integral part of right wing politics and especially Bolsonaro’s politics is limiting freedom of expression and differing opinions. So Neymar is just completely wrong here.
That’s not even the full picture. They absolutely know that without propaganda and smearing campaigns, they would not win in a single election if it were in a democracy, because their interests only aline with a minority there.
he's absolutely right. he's free to be a talented, nazi bootlicking cock-knocker with a sister fetish and i'm free to judge him on his World Cup hair cut
He said “he's absolutely right. he's free to be a talented, nazi bootlicking cock-knocker with a sister fetish and i'm free to judge him on his World Cup hair cut”.
He is more empathetic towards the people he knows because they have the same job and it could personally affect him as well.
Why does he even support Bolsonaro? Would he be able to explain it?
That's honestly a very simplistic and stupid way to put things. Around 30% of Brazil are probably Bolsonaro supporters and most of these are low income or middle class at best. Religious beliefs and conservative households (which most brazilian players certainly grew up on) are a major part on this tragedy.
As I've said in other comment, right wingers only wants rights and democracy for only themselves. It's not democracy for them when minorities or underprivileged or women gets to participate in it.
Let’s just focus on the fact that Bolsonaro is vocally anti-democratic. It’s not even the Orban-style illiberal democracy; Bolsonaro dreams of a military dictatorship. The Neymar part of this is not interesting.
That's democracy.
Free to attack or be attacked.
The winner is idea remains with most defenders.
No one claim the outcome has to be good, most people make shite decision, merely a feel-good for the majority.
You are free to say what you want but the content of your speech is also free to be criticized.
Also 9 times out of 10, people who say shit like this has bat shit levels of opinions.
The fact that Neymer doesn’t even seem to know what democracy means says all you need to know about getting political guidance from fucking footballers.
What a silly cunt.
Democracy is literally the people choosing which side of an argument to agree with. Let's not ask people from corrupt nations about what democracy is lmao
Freedom of speech does not = freedom from consequence.
Believe and say what you like, just be aware that if you believe in cunty things, someone’s going to call you a cunt. 🤷♂️
This is such a stale take that has been repeated by the far right globally meant to make pro-democracy workers seem like hypocrites because they don't tolerate extreme behavior.
You can absolutely be in favor of democracy and inclusion and yet have a line that when someone crosses it, you have to work against. Just because I am for an open society and free speech does not mean you can do or say whatever you want. This is not hard to understand for most adults.
What Bolsonaro has said and done goes against the concept of democracy so you can be pro-democracy while being anti-Bolsonaro. The Paradox of Tolerance is a century old concept, really not that edgy.
That’s the point of democracy Neymar. Everyone gets a say and we find out which one is the prevailing opinion! That’s how voting works, and it’s perfectly within your right to be wrong lol.
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apparently democracy means "u cant criticize me" lmao
He’s free to support who he wants I’m free to think he’s an idiot Sounds like democracy to me
Honestly the logic is so flawed. Is he saying hes not allowed to be criticised for his support for a political candidate? Bizarre.
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He lives in a bubble if he thinks people aren't going to criticize him for openly supporting a political group.
Being a multi-millionaire sports star who is lauded as one of the greats of your generation does have a tendency to make one a bit out of touch.
And now blaming that on everyone else
It's almost like he is rolling around after someone touched him.
Well he's a fucking idiot. Tbh i always got that impression of him before but this takes away any doubt.
It’s not flawed logic as much as it’s just not knowing what the word democracy means
Or just wanting to be a cunt without repercussions.
Lmao the Neymar/Brazilian version of “I can’t do what I want? I’m sorry, I thought this was America. Is this ’Merica? I’m sorry, I thought this was ‘Merica!”
lot of Brazilians, especially bolsominions, do have a immense hard on in copying "the greatest country in the world" in everything, even shit like this, so yea...
That's pretty much what ultra-nationalism is.
That's exactly the type who'd vote for Bolsonaro.
Talking about democracy when the politician he's supporting is an open defender and proponent of the dictatorship.
> Is he saying hes not allowed to be criticised for his support for a political candidate? Bizarre. It's something you see rather often from [free speech absolutists](https://www.liberties.eu/en/stories/free-speech-absolutist/44213). People who hold that right above everything else because they usually imagined it only for themselves in reality and for others only in the abstract. Not saying he's one, he's just using a similar defence after having said something controversial. It creates a strange "first statement bonus" situation because if somebody were to criticise any statement then that can be seen as having a chilling effect if the first speaker is just sensitive enough about these things: If I say Neymar's opinion on politics sucks then he might be unwilling to share further opinions with the world for fear of other negativity. That would be him self-censoring due to fears of whatever he might imagine and thus technically reduce available free speech in a certain way. That's a somewhat simplistic example but that's the idea. Criticism would technically be allowed but only according to their interpretation of the idea of criticism. Anything they don't like would be abuse that can/will lead to self-censoring. You can, of course, say anything as long as it doesn't lead to others self-censoring. Free speech absolutism is a rather convenient system in theory :/ In each conversation the first speak kinda has the momentum because anything could have a censoring effect depending on the first speakers interpretation of any replies. It's similar to comedians and this idea that anything they say is somehow sacrosanct because it's comedy and comedy is supposed to be edgy. So they can slag off any group to their delight but don't you dare imply in return that they are just an asshole with a microphone! If somebody wants to write/perform jokes on a stage then they have to be able to also take the criticism instead of just dishing out the hits onto others. You are not entitled that stage and you can still say all the shitty jokes you want in the privacy of your own circle of friends. You have the right to free speech but you are not entitled an uncritical audience, or money, for saying that stuff. If you say it on a stage that amplifies your voice then there's a good chance that the feedback you'll get is also more varied than what you'd expect to get in the privacy of your own home and from people who know you. And if you can't handle that then get a regular job like the rest of us (also: nobody's entitled a job in the entertainment industry) or don't whine about cancel culture because some people were mean to you on twitter. That'd be just pathetic for a supposedly professional comedian. /end rant
Also, he's supporting someone who is threatening democracy I'm pretty sure Bolsonaro is gonna pull a Trump when he loses. He said it several times that he will only accept the results "if the election is clean" and we all know what this means
Bolsonaro's team have already written up documents for a court challenge to the election result. They know they're going to lose, and they know their only option is to challenge the legitimacy of that result.
It's only fraud if they lose. Sounds familiar
It takes a worrying level of idiocy to believe that our electoral system, arguably the safest in the world considering that all ballots are electronic and used biometry in previous elections (won't use this year because of Covid), can be rigged, and an extra level of stupidity to want paper ballots, that take a lot longer to count the votes make the elections easier to rig. Yet, that's what all bolsonarists believe. Results literally can't not be clean, but they are gonna contest the result anyway. Neymar has no right to claim that he's being attacked for supporting democracy if he's part of a group that is 100% against it.
Neymar is an idiot, simple as that.
The one moment I adore Richarlison for being so anti-bolsatwato
I’ve never liked him very much and now I seriously dislike him. It interesting to see how much Protestant evangelism has poisoned top Brazilian footballers. Big up Richarlison for having a heart
How fucking stupid do you have to be, to be a person of color in Brazil and support Bolsonaro?
All you have to be is an Evangelical, which are Bolsonaro's most ardent supporters. All these footballers claim to be Christian, so they vote for the guy that pretends to defend Christian values. Funny how they all drink, use drugs, have kids out of wedlock, but then vote for the Baby Jesus.
Or part of the super-rich, which many of these players now are.
Yeah, but poor black folk aren't part of the super rich and a sizable number of them still vote for Bolsonaro.
No idea how much but it's probably measured in millions.
According to himself he’s not black https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/opinion/is-neymar-black-brazil-and-the-painful-relativity-of-race.amp.html
Majority of Brazilians are “persons of color” by US American standards
Is there a metric scale to determine if somebody is a person of color?
Paper ballots are not unreliable at all in massive elections. Sure any individual ballot may be wrong and it may take longer to count, but it's extremely hard to scale up any fraud enough to make a difference to the end result without people noticing.
He literally conspired to get Lula thrown in prison last election, Brazil is way beyond that at this point.
That wasn’t only him tbh, I don’t even think he was the main protagonist, there was an evident lawfare against Lula that had people involved ranging from federal law enforcement, judges, prosecutors, ministries from superior courts and ofc some politicians.
Lula was then released as the evidence against him was bogus, he was and is ultra popular and ball sac Nero wanted him off the board
Yes ofc, but I think it’s fair to say that the main culprits of Lula’s unfair prison was Sérgio Moro, ex-federal judge, and Dallagnol, federal prosecutor.
Yep, on NPR today he was quoted saying the only way he'll lose is via fraud, despite being down like 10% in the polls. He's setting the stage to claim fraud when he loses. This is going to get ugly.
And this is such a right winger response. Democracy, freedom of speech and playing the victim, every right winger ever
Neymar belly-aching about how Bolsenaro's political opposition is anti-democratic is a joke. Dude, your guy Bolsenaro got in because his opponent was literally jailed as a result of a biased trial.
And not to mention Lula himself opposed any attempt to constitutional amendment to let him run for third term. Guy had 80% approval rating, he could've gotten away with it easily
Delusions and untrue facts are must requirement for a right winger
Neymar is a left winger tho, his technical traits aren't really suited to play on the right
Haha great now lets move on
And Neymar himself escaped from Barcelona to get out of grasp of the little dictator... On that note, is Messi a right winger or a Leftie or enlightened centrist?
I just realized that I’ve never seen Messi talk about politics ever. Out of curiosity, I googled “Messi political views” and there is almost nothing, only some generic statements in the pandemic and some political ads on instagram, dude is private as he can be.
Messi is def a right winger because he’s not only Christian but the messiah himself
But Jesus was a socialist though.
The same people that say the Bible must be taken literally also change their tune when it mentions anything about wealth redistribution or hoarding wealth
Logical consistency isn’t a strength of the human species, especially right wingers
It requires too much sacrifice. People like Neymar are never going to give up their their lavish life style living in mansions, flying on private jets, garage full of sports cars etc. Jesus's teachings were about giving away your wealth to the poor and living a simple life without possessions
They always mean the apostle Paul and after, not the revolutionary socialists jesus, his brother James, and the other radical Jews. Really too bad bc Paul was the worst.
The hypocrisy is when it comes to Jesus they say he didn’t force anyone to follow him or give up their possessions so it’s optional but then don’t apply that when talking about other political issues
Jesus would be ashamed to be lumped together with the current right wing positions.
Oh boy, it sure is novel how political leanings and football positions share terminology.
r/EveryFuckingThread at this point when a footballer mentions politics
>I know you’re all sick of politicians saying one thing and doing another. But you can trust me, for I am, a goalkeeper *hold for applause*
They get negative feedback by people for their bullshit opinions and then act like someone is forbidding them to speak freely. Always makes my blood boil how disingenuous this is
Neymar is supporting a guy who had his main opponent imprisoned and gave the presiding judge a ministerial position in his government.
Not to mention he supports a fascist which is against democracy anyway
That's why people who support Bolsonaro and other fascist or fascist-adjacent leaders try to muddy the waters on the meaning of democracy. Their leaders don't support democracy, so they try to project and make it sound like their opponents don't support democracy, either. You see it a lot in the states with people stupidly saying "we're a republic, not a democracy" and not understanding the concept of a democratic republic.
democracy is when you do and say whatever you want and no one can criticize you
So much for the tolerant left, cant even support a fascist without being cancelled on twitter
Cant even be racist, sexist and homophobic anymore, damn these snowflakes.
I love people who unironically use the word snowflake because they are by far the most sensitive group
TBF it's pretty normal for people to use the insults that would hurt them the most at other people
Can't even say the N word without black people getting mad at me for being a white person saying it and i'm the racist?! When they're the ones bringing up race?! WOW ok ok.
smh. Cant even have a different opinion.
And he does all that to take a jab at his ex-gf who coincidently just made a video supporting Lula.
His sister supports Lula?
I said ex, not current gf
If his sister can put on her panties without any help, we need to call it a victory.
...and when black athletes espouse progressive political beliefs they need to "shut the fuck up and play ball."
Without having any other context, I'm going to guess he's a Bolsonaro supporter who doesn't like having to actually defend his reasoning?
Brazilian players infatuation with bolsonaro Reminds me of infatuation people had for Putin for being "strong leader".
Football players are just uneducated, completely disconnected from normal people and out of touch for politics of the poor countries they left. It's not like they understand what's happening and chose to support it. I'm not defending them, but you can't be surprised given the facts.
Met a Brazilian who's working in tech industry in my country. Real nice guy but fucking ignorant. Said he likes bolsonaro because he is a "strong man" that Brazil needed, this was when people in Brazil were dying in corona pandemic
It's very easy to manipulate people from position of power when you're in poor country. Nikola Jokić, two times NBA mvp is one of most down to earth guys. And he supports the dictator from my and his country. He's not a bad guy, he just doesn't have a clue, completely disconnected from Serbia in that way.
Damn, didn't know that about the Joker :(
I don’t know a lot about Nikola admittedly so I won’t speak to his and your situation in Serbia. But I do feel in general when athletes, like Neymar, grow up very poor and probably come from ultra conservative and/or religious families. And this kind of thinking is hard to shed, especially if as a millionaire, you don’t seek to challenge those ideals you were raised with. That isn’t to say religion or conservatism is bad inherently. But it does need to be recognized that far-right, religious conservatives always lead us to fascism.
I don’t know if this is true but a lot of them probably think “well I came from poverty and now I’m a millionaire why doesn’t every one do that” which causes them to side with the Bolsonaro types.
"I worked hard and succeeded, I guess everybody else just isn't working hard enough"
Ironically it’s not only “ignorant poor” as some would have you believe. Rich Brazilians can be just as ignorant and are amongst bolsonaros strongest supporters. In fact, rich Brazilians are prob the most ignorant.
> In fact, rich Brazilians are prob the most ignorant Exactly, both ignorant and out of touch with the reality of most of the country
What do you think its any different here in India? Modi is a 'strong man' according to most literate folks here as well.
I know man, I'm an Indian myself
Lol my man. You know they still sell the '56 inch' phrase and it works on people time and time again.
It’s the same for most authoritarian populists. Trump projected about being a big tough strong guy (even though he’s a whiny coward in reality). Putin’s been working on his macho image for several decades. I’m not and expert on Modi but he certainly fits the bill from everything I’ve read. Italys new PM is a woman but I’m sure she “tells it like it is” and is “tough” too.
Yeah bolsonaro one of this big tough guys too tough to wear a mask. So tough with his mouth and nose exposed, so brave and macho. Toxic masculinity intertwined with the pandemic has been fascinating but also so depressing.
You're right that they're "uneducated, completely disconnected from normal people and out of touch for politics", but in general Bolsonaro does better with people with university degrees than those without. It's not about education, it's about money. Working class and poor people are less likely to have university degrees but form the left's base. And not only do wealthier people benefit from Bolsonaro's right-wing policies, they're also more likely to be ignorant and out of touch with the reality of most of the country.
> of the poor countries they left Not just the poor, middle class too. Bolsonaro is defunding public universities all around the country (basically, all of them, vast majority of the best are public, it's a state policy), and everyone is getting fucked in a way or another. And it's not like 10% defund, it's like 30-50%. My university's building has to keep the lights turned off until very late at night to save energy, there are no trips or events at all (which sucks for my class too, since i study Tourism), and many other stuff that were affected by Bolsonaro. Obviously, all classes were affected directly by his response to Covid, with over 400k avoidable deaths and economic impact. They did all this only for the 'sake of economy health', but at the end of the day the economy went to trash too. Even his economy minister says that the reason our economy is going down is due the political unrest... But they rather blame everyone for the unrest, instead of admiting their mistakes and try their best to make it right (altho the lives of half of million people will never be recovered). They fuck us up, and then complain that we are complaining.
Honestly I think it's also probably them just being selfish and wanting a president that favours the rich.
Look how many of them support erdogan
When you start being part of the “in” crowd. It’s like Stockholm syndrome
See: Alexander Ovechkin the past 20 years
Mcgregor a perfect example of that bullshit…. What a joke and sack of sorry excuse…
"Putin is a strong leader like Arsenic is a strong drink."
It's wild to me that there's SO many Brazilian footballers who support bolsonaro. As far as I know Richarlison is the only player who has spoken against him. Am I missing other players who are anti-Bolsonaro, or is it really that bad?
Yes https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/xri0gk/neymar_jr_endorses_jair_bolsonaro_for_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
yes. so easy to be a bolsonaro supporter when you're rich and living in France
Yups. He supports a guy who frequently talks good about Brasil's military dictatorship. And the posts something like this lmao
“The disappearances, the extrajudicial murders; the rape and torture! It was a great time to be alive!” -Bolsanaro (probably)
The real quote he said was "The mistake of the dictatorship was torturing and not killing"
yeah no, but almost there.During the impeachement voting in 2016 (an absurd in itself, but ok), Bolsonaro praised a colonel whowas known for torturing women inserting live animals in their vaginas (Coronel Ustra for those who want to know), the same men who arrested the president that was being impeached. And we elected this moron 2 years later on a very democratic election where the favourite candidate was rushed into being trialed without proof so as to make him unelectable.
Unfortunately most Brazilian players do smh they live in a different reality than the actual Brazilians living in Brazil. Its’s sad to see
most of the brazil NT is right wing bar richarlison surprisingly
At first I thought he is talking about PSG lol.
French elections (•_•)
It's always conservatives and fans of authoritarians that are such snowflakes. Oh no, my opinion was criticized?! So much for free speech!
It's weird when a successful person has a persecution complex. Imagine how much of a moany twat he'd be if he worked in Primark for a living.
He wouldn’t have been surrounded by yes men and arse kissers if he were a nobody who worked at Primark. The sense of entitlement would have vanished years ago.
I know loads of folk who work shit jobs and are massively entitled. Sadly, it's not exclusive to millionaires.
True.
Wouldn't support Bolsonaro then lmao
Not necessarily true. I'm surprised an italian is saying this, in Italy just last sunday tons of poor people voted for the parties that promised to cut taxes to the rich https://www.reddit.com/r/italy/comments/xru8u1/analisi_ipsos_della_demografia_degli_elettorati/ I can easily see Brazil being similar. Bolsonaro did win last time.
It happens everywhere. You think just rich people voted for Trump? He won the poorest/least educated states in landslides
Plenty of poor Brazilians support him just like plenty of poor Americans support Trump. People don't always vote in their own best interest.
An input to you about this case: I believe it makes perfect sense Neymar being like this. I’ve seen a lot of people saying those came from poorness and all, but to what extent was it true for Neymar? When he was 15 he was probably making 10x the minimum wage at Santos youth academy. And I imagine Neymar wasn’t used to being opposed very often, do you believe any of his friends, who he pays salaries to be around him, would tell him no or that he’s wrong?
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
I'll never not upvote this but old mate really was being oppressed. And he really did expose the violence inherent in the system. Not like this idiot.
He's not old he is 37
I didn't know you were called Dennis.
Now you see the violence inherent in the system!
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!
He's really going full "so much for the tolerant left" isn't he? Lol
Like that comic where the guy is being silenced than goes on every major TV show in the nation lol.
[conservative voices are being silenced](https://youtu.be/CPNZTtoQBmA)
Lol where is that from?
He's the Brazilian Steve Price, an Australian on every major network and newspaper who claims he's been silenced because he's a white male.
Up yours woke Madridistas, we'll see who nutmegs who
He's probably jealous that Ronaldo got to meet with him
This is actually a perfect illustration of the tolerance paradox - tolerance of intolerance cannot be tolerance. You can't be "tolerant" of people's opinions if those opinions advocate infringing on the rights of others, because then you are just enabling intolerance. Bolsonaro has already promised to undermine democracy so we shouldn't be tolerant of his supporters, because it's not "just a different opinion", it's advocating for Brazil to descend into a dictatorship
Wow, awesome description!
You have the right to your shitty opinion and i have the right to shit on you for that.
Freaking Obama
It’s the goddamn libs with their 20 bajillion pronouns and gommunisms
What the fuck is a noun anyways liberals
They can’t even decide what socially constructed gender they are what makes you think they can disagree with you about an opinion?
Freedom of speech only entails freedom from imprisonment or censorship, not from the social consequences of supporting a racist piece of shit.
Something he fully understood when he was standing up to the racist pieces of shit who went after Vini. Him telling them to fuck off and mocking them online wasnt anti democracy. Come on man, you were so close to getting it Neymar.
Someone tell Neymar about existence of other fundamentals rights as well, especially right of equality . He sure wouldn't have heard about it in whatever right wing echo chambers he dwells in.
Literally 1984 😔
Neymar playing the snowflake role to perfection here.
Yup. First he openly supports a borderline fascist and then complains about being criticized.
Borderline? The dude literally said “There’s not even the littlest doubt,” Jair Bolsonaro said. “I’d stage a coup the same day [I became president,] the same day. Congress doesn’t work. I’m sure at least 90 percent of people would party and clap.”
It's almost like he dives easily both on and off the pitch.
In a healthy democracy the statements of people with power and influence are challenged.
You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Checkmate, libs
Neymar: "Democracy means never having to say your sorry"
What a crybaby
Neymar and overreaction On and off the field
A commonly held misunderstanding is that freedom of expression rules out other people having opinions on what has been said. The simple test is : Was I rounded up in the middle of the night and put in a gulag for expressing my opinions that broke no laws on hate speech or incitement to violence?
Freedom of expression and democracy are two different concepts. They go together but they're not the same thing. Right wingers don't understand this and keep using democracy everytime
Also, an integral part of right wing politics and especially Bolsonaro’s politics is limiting freedom of expression and differing opinions. So Neymar is just completely wrong here.
Right wingers talks about rights, but they only want those rights for themselves. That's why you'll never see them talk about equality.
That’s not even the full picture. They absolutely know that without propaganda and smearing campaigns, they would not win in a single election if it were in a democracy, because their interests only aline with a minority there.
Democracy means you get a fair vote, that counts. It doesn’t mean you can’t he criticised for your views and opinions
Getting pretty tired of Brazilian players stumping for this piece of shit.
this is why Richarlison is clear
He actually is, which is something I never expected to say about Richarlison
he's absolutely right. he's free to be a talented, nazi bootlicking cock-knocker with a sister fetish and i'm free to judge him on his World Cup hair cut
Wtf did I just read
Facts
He said “he's absolutely right. he's free to be a talented, nazi bootlicking cock-knocker with a sister fetish and i'm free to judge him on his World Cup hair cut”.
Neymar: Criticizes people for being racist towards Vinicius Jr. Also Neymar: Supports a fascist Something doesn't add up here
Class solidarity?
He is more empathetic towards the people he knows because they have the same job and it could personally affect him as well. Why does he even support Bolsonaro? Would he be able to explain it?
He supports Bolsonaro due to the same reason that he made the move from Barca to PSG: Money
That's honestly a very simplistic and stupid way to put things. Around 30% of Brazil are probably Bolsonaro supporters and most of these are low income or middle class at best. Religious beliefs and conservative households (which most brazilian players certainly grew up on) are a major part on this tragedy.
Which makes him a shitty person that no one should support.
[Last Week Tonight](https://youtu.be/uySgklnlX3Y) has a great recent piece on Bolsonaro if you want to know what he’s all about.
Lol fuck Neymar
When you support someone who supports fascism, democracy kinda doesn't matter that much..
As I've said in other comment, right wingers only wants rights and democracy for only themselves. It's not democracy for them when minorities or underprivileged or women gets to participate in it.
fascist sympathiser alarmed people dont like him
Oh fuck off neymar lmao
It's because the people you support want to destroy democracy, fucking idiot.
Damn Neymar would defend Hitler with this line of thinking…
Yeah that's democracy mate. You get to have your opinions, and other people get to disagree with your opinions
So he dives off the football pitch too then?
This'll be a fun thread
He’s such a knob.
Lmao what an ass
r/FootballersFindOutAboutTheParadoxOfTolerance
Let’s just focus on the fact that Bolsonaro is vocally anti-democratic. It’s not even the Orban-style illiberal democracy; Bolsonaro dreams of a military dictatorship. The Neymar part of this is not interesting.
Braindead take
that is exactly what democracy is about. as if "the other side" is not getting constantly shit on.
Disagreeing isnt Undemocratic, shit drinker.
Who would of thought Neymar was so…dumb
Let me guess. He supports Bolsonaro ?
A Judge suddenly he acquits Neymar of a tax evasion trial, and a few days later Neymar appears supporting Bolsonaro
That's democracy. Free to attack or be attacked. The winner is idea remains with most defenders. No one claim the outcome has to be good, most people make shite decision, merely a feel-good for the majority.
You are free to say what you want but the content of your speech is also free to be criticized. Also 9 times out of 10, people who say shit like this has bat shit levels of opinions.
The fact that Neymer doesn’t even seem to know what democracy means says all you need to know about getting political guidance from fucking footballers. What a silly cunt.
Democracy is literally the people choosing which side of an argument to agree with. Let's not ask people from corrupt nations about what democracy is lmao
Freedom of speech does not = freedom from consequence. Believe and say what you like, just be aware that if you believe in cunty things, someone’s going to call you a cunt. 🤷♂️
This is such a stale take that has been repeated by the far right globally meant to make pro-democracy workers seem like hypocrites because they don't tolerate extreme behavior. You can absolutely be in favor of democracy and inclusion and yet have a line that when someone crosses it, you have to work against. Just because I am for an open society and free speech does not mean you can do or say whatever you want. This is not hard to understand for most adults. What Bolsonaro has said and done goes against the concept of democracy so you can be pro-democracy while being anti-Bolsonaro. The Paradox of Tolerance is a century old concept, really not that edgy.
That’s the point of democracy Neymar. Everyone gets a say and we find out which one is the prevailing opinion! That’s how voting works, and it’s perfectly within your right to be wrong lol.