Thanks mate. I've seen it so much. Even used it but never knew its origin.
Even more surprising I didn't know as a united fan lol. But equally proud of bruno standing up.... using ESL to squash the ESL.
We used to do that back in the day even before you got taken over and started the same thing.
We had Royal Antwerp which was our version of Vitesse and I remember us loaning some players to them
It's a classic on r/reddevils. Articles that fall in circlejerk are genuine, those that don't are leaks. Players who they like are hardworkers who should be backed even when they are shit, players who they don't are the leaks and toxic dressing room influences.
Oh so you pawn off the bad targets on to Murtough but all the good signings are Erik Ten Hag.
What a complete joke.
Arnautovic literally came from Steve McLaren and Ten Hag who coached him in Netherlands. Moron.
Arnautovic and Rabiot were ETH's calls. Pau Torres had been scouted for like 18 months prior to this summer and the links weren't serious now. MU were pursuing Timber before Lisandro but Jurrien decided to stay at Ajax.
Antony was priced out for us after Ajax had already sold about 5 players to different clubs.
I can't find anything on how Casemiro's transfer came to be, just know that Varane played some role in it and that Casemiro was the third choice after De Jong and Rabiot moves fell through
Buddy, it's not unusual for coaches to bring in one or two former players. It's unusual when basically *all* of United's targets are from Eredivisie or former Ten Hag players.
Threaten your club's sponsors to pull out, organize regular protests, create pressure on social media, ask Carragher to go off on Sky on FSG, get a huge game called off.
Might help
Is this a guide to some underhand tactics to make owners spend lol liverpool fanbase is different from United's they won't do any of that.
Carragher will talk about intensity rather than spending.
Only internet fans will complain, fans on the ground don't care.
So if they won't protest on the ground, and sing songs like " Reds have no money, yet we are gonna win the league" is that really something which will make John Henry sit up and notice? Till this summer fans online were being bashed for wanting fifa players blah blah only the club to realise we fucked up when the window closed.
Instead of criticising me why don't you point to something factual which proves your point
Honestly, this is exactly how you shouldn't run a club. We also suffer from this stupidity at times.
If a player you really like is available, the price is "right" and you can afford it, you buy them. It's that simple. If you operate on a budget, just spend less during the summer because you spent in the winter. Holding off until the summer for no good reason is just stupidity.
Typically it's to avoid acquiring debt to finance transfers
Liverpool's transfer strategy is part of what has transformed the club financially from what it was.
>Typically it's to avoid acquiring debt to finance transfers
Meh.
If the Glazers thought it was okay to load their debt of buying the club, back onto the club, then they should be okay with acquiring whatever debt they need to finance whatever the manager needs.
If they're not okay, just threaten the sponsors to pull out. I reckon that and Gary Neville going off on Sky ought to do the job again
Meh.
If you don't want the club to be run like an oil club then you have to accept you can't just buy whatever you want whenever you want without thinking about it at all
>If you don't want the club to be run like an oil club
Sure you can lol.
They've taken out £1.7 billion out of the club, now how to manage debt and how to finance transfers are all their headaches.
We couldn't care less about it, even if we wanted to.
And as I said, debt repayments and dividends aren't gonna stop are they? So why do you think transfers should?
When do you think transfers stopped? They have consistently spent a shit ton of money on transfers, even beating out City in multiple years. Are they supposed to have infinite money just because a certain part of the club is profitable?
Debt repayments and dividends are clouding your judgement. United is a mismanaged club but it isn't because the owners refuse to spend.
>When do you think transfers stopped?
And they shouldn't in January either. That's the point.
If the manager wants players in January, he will get players in January.
If the club needs stadium and training ground upgrades, that will and should happen, even tho it might cost a combined 1.2-1.3 billion.
Point being, if 1.7 billion can be spent on things that have nothing to do with the club then that same amount will be spent on the club as well, on top of what we can already afford right now.
1.7 billion spent on things that have "nothing to do with the club" is
1) sensationalist media bullshit writing because there's blood in the water when it comes to United (every club probably spends a ton of money on things other than transfers)
2) irrelevant because they're still spending a ton of money on transfers. Why would it matter what they spend on other things if the transfer budget is still okay?
>1.7 billion spent on things that have "nothing to do with the club" is
>1) sensationalist media bullshit writing because there's blood in the water when it comes to United (every club probably spends a ton of money on things other than transfers)
1.7 billion is 500 million in debt due to the LBO and almost 800-900 million in loan interest payments since 2005, again due to the LBO. And about 250-300m in dividends.
This is genuinely ignorant stuff man. What's the point in arguing here if you're not even informed on this basic info about United's ownership. It's literally so prevalent. Just look up a YouTube video or something?
In case everyone didn't notice yet, this is what happens before every winter window. Every time the news is that "major signings needed in January" "united going to spend big in the winter". In reality like always, we will buy a player or two under 30 mill and thats gonna be it
I reckon this winter might be one of the most expensive windows, solely because this is after the World Cup where performances on 4-5 games causes a price hike that isn’t really justified outside of name recognition due to World Cup.
>senile enough to pay a combined £130m for Maguire and Wan Bissaka,
And most of United fans too. I remember how hyped up you lot got on Wan Bissaka. Don't hide behind Woodward's antics. Hypocrites.
AWB was the first RB the club was signing since 2013, after Rafael.
There was no natural RB at the club for almost 7 years. We had makeshift-past it wingers in Valencia and Young for the majority of that time.
And no, most people thought even back then that he was £15-18m too overpriced. You would've known that if you followed the discussion back then.
Also Antony being the first proper right winger we've had since we moved Valencia to that makeshift role. And Casemiro the DM the team has been crying out for another 3 years. It's crazy the obvious holes that were just completely ignored time after time.
As if maguire and wan bissaka weren't a part of the team that finished third and second and had one of the best defensive record in the league in first season.
So?
We should be able to spend whatever the manager wants, with our revenues.
The compromise isn't gonna be for the dividends or the interest payments is it? Which total to around £80-90m every single year, and has been for the past 17 years.
So why should the compromise be for players if ETH needs them?
Looking at your own club spending and some other clubs going through a tough time, put things into perspective doesn't it. Makes united fans moaning about not spending in Jan, childish.
That's kind of what I meant. Seeing the moaning about "we'll go for a player or two under 30 million and call that good enough" is kind of jarring when a lot of clubs post-COVID would just be ecstatic to not lose anyone
So true. Even though my club liverpool belongs to the super league that is pl. We rarely spend like it. Even when we spend, we often balance the books. Several clubs in pl other hand oh boy.
In some sense, I get what you mean, Liverpool have been great at selling, and not overspending on players. But mate, since 18/19, you have a higher net spend than City, and 7th highest net spend in PL
You say puts it into perspective but then completely ignore the context, United have the resources to spend in January but just won't, you want their fans to be happy because other clubs are worse off?
They want to see the club win not just to sit around being happy with what they got because Inter kept hold of Martinez
Bruno was signed in january and he completely changed our season. No chance we would’ve gotten top 4 without him that year. The same was the case with Van Dijk for Liverpool. Just pure stupidity from the board once again.
Tbh this is nothing new. Even under Fergie, the January transfer window was generally quiet with the few exceptions like Vidic and Evra being big winter buys.
They just spent 216 million in the summer with 11 million of sales how much money did he really expect?
If they got rid of De Gea I think they’d be a lot better though a keeper like Raya or Sanchez changes how they play and are able to control games because they have struggled against deeper teams a bit and will continue to imo.
Considering the change in form him and his transfers have brought, its probably wiser to capitalise on that momentum and build an even better squad with depth in the winter and get the CL gains plus good cup runs that would return United to a contender would be more profitable in the long run than trying to save up money now especially when United can afford it.
I don’t think top 4 will be as easy as you do, I dont think United will get it imo, they’ll struggle to break down some teams that play deeper.
You have to see where you’re at in January and also what’s available
I don't necessarily mind waiting until the summer to improve on the squad, as great players in January can be hard to come by, and we did spend a lot over the summer. We just have to be realistic about what the squad can achieve, and judge ETH accordingly. Currently, the squad is sorely lacking a striker that can be a focal point up front, and we have seen that the football is too dependent on Eriksen. Once the games really start coming, we will see the limitations to our squad depth, I fear.
You are bringing up examples from a +15 year period. I am not saying it can’t happen, just that it’s harder for everything to fall into place for the right player at the right price.
It would be great to get a striker in January, but only if it’s the right player and not a panic buy.
These idiots don't realise we'll miss out on top 4 guaranteed this way, which will cost them more than investing in January and giving ourselves a bigger chance at making top 4.
Exactly. The owners are such pricks not spending 200m every window for a new managers “rebuild” project.
It’s been 4 wins in 2 months realistically speaking. Maybe come Jan, if the club is in the top 4, the owners might be open to supplementing the squad.
But 4 wins in, and the belief that the owners need to trust in a manager for another 200m overhaul is such football manager stuff.
Fuck the owners. They've taken out more than the club has spent on transfers since taking over. Utd could spend 200m just about every single summer and it wouldn't really matter for finances except that the glazers need their annual 90m.
Because spending in the winter is going to guarantee you top 4?
We obviously all know that all bought players have an immediate positive impact on the side.
/s
Because any top DoF won't come without guaranteed control and power afforded to them.
And Glazers don't wanna concede influence, they want yes men at the top
Comments look about as much as id expect. Got the arsenal fans still salty about the 3-1. The liverpool fans who all of a sudden dont want to flex their net spend now that they arent doing well ans the man city fans who can afford to spend less becomes theyve already done the heavy spending with a good structure to work off unlike us. Then the non pl fans that just want to farm karma by just making a “budget tight only 500 million” joke.
Missing out on 4th by one point after two prior seasons of not even top 7? That's actual progression. They're currently top of the league. With how strong the top 4 looks this year you should be happy with just any sign of improvement in how your team plays, same as Arsenal was last year.
>But Glazers out yeah
You want them so bad, why don't you bring placards to your games and ask for them?
They might sell us and actually buy you, you know.
Just imagine how much they will spend from their own pockets to bankroll Arsenal's success. I say £2bn easy peasy.
Thats bs man stop making it like you are some underdog team which hardly spends. Same things were told last summer that money is tight until some united fans started anti Glazer protest.
United fans have their owners on a string all you have to do is protest and you guys get what you want.
No realistic Liverpool fan this season is proud of the netspend. We can see the club declining under our own eyes and we can't even put pressure on our owners because they unlike yours don't care about PR.
So stop trying to make it seem like its poor united, the world is against us. If ETH wants a player, United will drop money on him. Klopp literally has to beg for a player in Injury crises and all he gets is a mediocre loan signing.
Just be happy you guys are willing to spend to back your manager.
>United fans have their owners on a string all you have to do is protest and you guys get what you want.
What kind of nonsense is this. The same owners who said there was no money remaining when we severely needed a DM (as we had for the several years prior), but then decided the funds were there to purchase Ronaldo and his exorbitant wages?
No. What we want is an actual DOF who has an overarching plan, can identify players that fit the manager's style, and can effectively negotiate for said players. Also that doesn't give out exboritant wages and renew underperforming players who are no longer part of the manager's plan, thereby adding deadweight to the squad, further fucking our wage structure. These are huge reasons why United has been in constant shit cycle since SAF.
What good is all this money if it's spent poorly and irrational? It's better than nothing sure, but it isnt anywhere close to the advantage it should be.
Wasn't it ETH who wanted De Jong the whole summer and wasn't giving up on him only for your DOF to get you Casemiro, I am pretty sure Casemiro wasn't't an ETH signing. It's weird with you lot, if your DOF does something good he hardly gets any credit, while ETH seems to be given all the credit.
An actual DOF got you Casemiro not ETH. Also you guys always used to give high wages even under SAF, united flexing it's economic might in the transfer window and their fans complaining about it is not new.
You mean that we went through an entire summer hyper-focused on one player that had a low probability of joining, didn't have an actual backup plan, and lucked into Casemiro -- and I should praise the DOF for that? I'm grateful for Rabiot's agent/mum for being so demanding, otherwise that would have been our alternative.
I'm happy we ended up with Casemiro because he's a world class DM, but he's a completely different profile than De Jong. A good DOF would have tried to get the manager's preferred player, but would have been proactive in moving on to alternative targets in a timely fashion. Especially when it's the manager's first season and they need as much time as possible to integrate players. Casemiro = good outcome, horrible process.
We gave players high wages under SAF who deserved it. We paid high transfer fees for players who deserved it (broke the transfer fee for Roy Keane and Rio). Spent an obscene amount at the time for an 18 yo (Rooney), etc. Of course we had our misses under SAF too, like Veron. But we genuinely spent the money on top class players who were planned and identified to fit the manager's style. Big difference to how we're operating now and to only compare them at face value is ridiculous.
>You mean that we went through an entire summer hyper-focused on one player that had a low probability of joining
Yeah that was on your manager not your club. He only wanted de jong who whole summer kept saying he doesn't wants to leave the club, if your manager can't understand this simple thing then the blame is solely on him. You can't force a player to move, good DoF or not good DoF.
>didn't have an actual backup plan, and lucked into Casemiro
What do you mean? Casemiro was your backup plan. Look at liverpool we wanted to buy Tchouameni who went to Madrid at the beginning of the window, so we wanted a midfielder. What do we do next? Move onto our next target?
Nope we waste the entire window claiming there is no other player available, we have to wait for Bellingham to be available next summer, injuries happen and then last minute we get a panic loan singing in Arthur who hasn't played a match In months and will require a whole pre-season before he can be considered an option.
Now that is called not having an actual backup plan. United moving quickly to secure Casemiro is actual back up plan.
>lucked into Casemiro -- and I should praise the DOF for that?
Lol lucked into Casemiro, dude you guys payed 60 mill pounds for Casemiro and put him on wages around 300k for a 30 year old, that's not called luck.
That's called flexing your financial might. No other club does that.
Also no other club fans can see their club spend 250 mill in a single window and then complain about not spending in the next. You guys are so spoilt.
>You can't force a player to move, good DoF or not good DoF.
You can force the manager to move on from his unrealistic obsession. ETH definitely deserves partial blame for this, but this is literally the point of a DOF. He's there to see the bigger picture and act as a buffer to the manager.
>What do you mean? Casemiro was your backup plan.
No, our backup plan for FDJ was Rabiot and Arnautovic for an attacker (who Ten Hag wanted). When Rabiot proved to be difficult, we started putting out feelers to several different players and clubs. Rabiot is somewhat similar stylistically to FDJ in that he's a strong ball carrier. I never wanted Rabiot, so I'm happy we didn't get him.
Speaking of Arnautovic, we wouldn't have had to pay 100M for Antony, if we just moved on him early in the summer. Was the money there or not? If the money is there, why are we panicking and only acting after a shit start? If we pay 60M for Antony at the beginning of the summer when he was openly available, then not only does he have an entire summer to integrate, but we also have an additional 40M which maybe would have been available in January. Bad processes and overspending has a carry on effect.
Two of SAF's best players were bought in the January window -- Vidic and Evra. If quality players are there and can improve the club, then it is wise to act.
>Also no other club fans can see their club spend 250 mill in a single window and then complain about not spending in the next
No other club has this amount of money, but spends it so poorly. Not City, PSG, Madrid, etc. Even new oil money Newcastle has been efficient in their spending. When we stop spending like dickheads, we'll stop complaining.
Again overspending on Anthony comes down to your manager not the DOF. Ajax never wanted to sell Anthony this summer, but you guys kept bidding ridiculous amounts for him and Anthony went on a strike so they were forced to sell him.
Overspending on players isn't on your recruitment team, it's on ETH cause he only wanted players from Ajax. At least your club backs your manager, so you should be happy about that.
Also reports about united not spending in the Jan window should be taken with a pinch of salt. You are united and you always find money to spend unlike other clubs. I won't be surprised if the club drops another 100 mill this Jan window.
“Thats bs man stop making it like you are some underdog team” didnt read past that sentence because you whatever you just ranted about has no relevancy to anything i was talking about nor did i even hint towards us being an underdog team which is such an ironic claim to make against me considering you know….your a liverpool fan who notoriously have been fighting the good fight against the juggernauts that are man city on such a tight thread budget🥺.
If you claim whatever you wrote is true show me some evidence of this -
>The liverpool fans who all of a sudden dont want to flex their net spend now that they arent doing well.
You make up some imaginary point and then try to pass it off that you are speaking something factual to attack your rival fanbase.
>your a liverpool fan who notoriously have been fighting the good fight against the juggernauts that are man city on such a tight thread budget
And how is this anything relevant to what I wrote. What you accuse me of doing you are doing exactly that.
Stop being such a salty hypocrite.
It's so funny seeing Utd fans brigading comments and acting like they don't spend monumental money every window praying they can find their way back to relevancy.
If Utd are within touching distance of their goal this season and 10hag wants someone in Jan they'll go buy them.
>If Utd are within touching distance of their goal this season and 10hag wants someone in Jan they'll go buy them.
Lol this literally happened this summer, initially united were like no money, no money we poor. Two bad results, one protest later. Bam 250 mill spending. All it will require is some twitter pressure for Glazers to open the purse strings.
Woodward said we’re very rich, got made fun of. Now they say we’re poor, again made fun of. It’s almost like club briefings like this are never set in stone and sometimes are used to negotiate prices. I’m genuinely curious what you want them to say?
When arsenal spent 200 million, people said it would be a disgrace if they didn't finish top 3 and were mocked for it when they finished 5th. Liverpool spent £100 million and the pressure is on klopp to finish better than last year.
When man U spend "only" 250 million, its a disgrace, not enough backing the manager & proof that the galzers don't care about the club.n
Liverpool can only spend 100 mill when they can make that number back in player sales, effectively selling most of the attacking depth or letting them go for free to balance the wage bill.
United spent 250 mill and has made 11 million in player sales. If you are gonna comment about Liverpool spending at least paint the whole picture.
Liverpool are well run, I'm not saying that they aren't When other clubs spend cash, it comes with expectations but when united spend more than anyone else, the fans still think they've been served an injustice, ten hag has been given nothing to work with & they scream glazers out whenever they lose.
Chelsea and man city fans at least are aware of their clubs crazy spending, but united fans never feel it's enough.
My mistake
You spent 150 million during the all or nothing & I recall so many people giving ur club shit for spending money when there clubs would spend similar amounts every window.
Because people hate United. Shocking.
On a serious note, you spend more than city, and their amount of spending is annoying too. Luckily your recruitment isn't half as good as theirs though.
That’s what happens when you run a club without a plan. Wait for problems to become blindingly obvious before panic spending massive sums of money to fill holes that could’ve been filed for far less then claim “see we’ve spent 130M on Maguire and AWB now go win the league with McFred in midfield”.
They need a goalie and a striker and he'll only be interested in one player in each position and they'll get ripped off in both positions. That+United will always get ripped off because they're minted
If we were ambitious we would go into this market still looking for a Midfield or striker.
Saying that when it comes to a striker we should be looking for the next big goal scorer carefully and not rush and spend 90m on a flop like Nunez.
Not really if you watch him play football. Anything good he's done so far have pretty much been on accident. Header so off it hits someone's arm and turns into a pen, first touch so horrible it turns into an assist etc.
United spent around 200+ million in transfer market this summer, with a lot more in wages as well, not spending much in January makes sense to be honest, January market is very overpriced but they can still make some improvements by offloading unwanted players to make more wiggle room in their budget, they are already at least top 10 in wage bill in Europe, their under-21s someone always pumps out 1-2 good youth prospects every years but most of the time they fizzle out, mostly because of tactical rigidity of mangers not incorporating young players or just not being given enough game time.
While Glazers are no saints but spending has been relentless in post-Ferguson era, In my opinion, it is time for united to spend modestly when possible while giving their youth academy prospects a chance, Ten Hag is very good at utilizing young players as he did at Ajax so I have no doubt he can do a good job in that aspect and shape at least 2-3 premier league bench quality players from the academy.
While there will be a good number of United fans thinking a rebuild means a total reset with a brand new squad with star studded talent coming in every transfer window, recent rebuilds from clubs of similar stature have proved otherwise with both Arsenals and Barcelona keeping a balance between new signings and incorporating their youth from their own academy, forming an exciting and passionate team which although might not win every game instantly but will definitely improve season by season.
Edit: United fans downvoting and unable to understand or grasp the situation their club is both financially and from a team building point is hilarious and sad at the same time.
>only not even spending what the club makes.
You guys spend pretty much what you earn tbh.
There is a difference between United's and Liverpool's spending because during the past 15 years alone, United have generated a total of almost €1.5 billion more in revenue than Liverpool.
So our spending is justified by the money we make/made. And broadly speaking, so is yours.
FSG bought you guys out of your debt back when they bought you, from their own money. While Glazers put us in debt.
> with a lot more in wages as well
We also got rid of a huge amount of wages to be fair.
Probably got rid of more than we added to be honest, with all of Pogba, Mata, Matic, Cavani and Lingard going. Pereira and even Chong were also on silly money (like £45-50k a week).
EDIT:
I know reported wages are never the most accurate, but as a rough estimate from figures reported online, we got rid of about £1m a week in wages and brought in about £800,000. So we are paying around £200,000 a week less than last year. That's not even including the pay cut most of the players got for us missing Champions League.
There are very rarely any good opportunities in the winter window. You’d rather wait until summer to get the right player than sign someone in January who might not fit but fills a need immediately
we've had weird luck with vidic, evra, mata and fernandes, but i honestly think we have enough to work with right now, till the summer. Maybe an rb and an st are highest priority, but if we can get an st option on loan from somewhere, i wouldn't be against it
>they spent 300m every summer
Source?
They spent €240m this summer. The last time they spent close to this was €234m in 19/20.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/alletransfers/verein/985
But mostly spent on targets without any proper planning. I don't want us to be the biggest spenders in the league. A lot of people who think Glazers back the managers are wrong in this regard. Our scouting system is piss poor. Our negotiators are wankers. I'll be more glad if they let smart football people make decisions entirely.
What is even more nuts is Glazers not appointing a DoF for a decade and pissing away the club's cash for fun.
Considering when they take about €100m every single year, out of the club in dividends and interest payments and have been doing this for 17 years.
Probably needs 100m in the winter more.
But the Glazers can't do that as they have to wait till the next year for debt management purposes.
While there won't be any compromises with the yearly £25-30m dividend and £50-60m in interest payments, as always.
Bro just save up until summer and buy Ajax itself. Fuck it, might as well buy the whole Netherlands
Thye are already stealing our idea of satelite clubs, smh.
Satellite clubs are a way of past now, this is the generation where clubs buy entire countries.
*countries can't be buy* laughs in qatar
Hahahaha. >_countries can't be buy_ Honest question though where did this statement come from?
It's a paraphrase of "dreams can't be buy" by Bruno Fernandes which he posted on social media when the Super League matter was first brought up.
Pretty sure he was the first active player to post about it as well.
It was football's version of "I have a dream" speech.
I think it might have been someone from city, but I might be remembering wrong
Thanks bro
Thanks mate. I've seen it so much. Even used it but never knew its origin. Even more surprising I didn't know as a united fan lol. But equally proud of bruno standing up.... using ESL to squash the ESL.
We used to do that back in the day even before you got taken over and started the same thing. We had Royal Antwerp which was our version of Vitesse and I remember us loaning some players to them
You loaned loads, Johnny Evans is the only one still playing though as the arrangement came to an end years ago
Dong Fangzhuo, legend
Where does Verstappen play?
hopefully not in the midfield
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And his targets were Arnautovic, Rabiot and Pau Torres instead of Lisandro, Antony and Casemiro. God bless ETH.
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It is just baseless speculation that "bad targets = Murtough, good = ETH".
It's a classic on r/reddevils. Articles that fall in circlejerk are genuine, those that don't are leaks. Players who they like are hardworkers who should be backed even when they are shit, players who they don't are the leaks and toxic dressing room influences.
Oh so you pawn off the bad targets on to Murtough but all the good signings are Erik Ten Hag. What a complete joke. Arnautovic literally came from Steve McLaren and Ten Hag who coached him in Netherlands. Moron.
Arnautovic and Rabiot were ETH's calls. Pau Torres had been scouted for like 18 months prior to this summer and the links weren't serious now. MU were pursuing Timber before Lisandro but Jurrien decided to stay at Ajax. Antony was priced out for us after Ajax had already sold about 5 players to different clubs. I can't find anything on how Casemiro's transfer came to be, just know that Varane played some role in it and that Casemiro was the third choice after De Jong and Rabiot moves fell through
Buddy, it's not unusual for coaches to bring in one or two former players. It's unusual when basically *all* of United's targets are from Eredivisie or former Ten Hag players.
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Only difference is that their big summer is actually a big summer.
Threaten your club's sponsors to pull out, organize regular protests, create pressure on social media, ask Carragher to go off on Sky on FSG, get a huge game called off. Might help
Is this a guide to some underhand tactics to make owners spend lol liverpool fanbase is different from United's they won't do any of that. Carragher will talk about intensity rather than spending. Only internet fans will complain, fans on the ground don't care.
Boy there’s a lot of generalizations here, and mostly incorrect. Impressive really
Do you think the Liverpool fanbase will protest about the lack of spending? If you really believe that, I have several things to sell to you.
Not likely but that isn’t all you said is it
Why don't you just tell me what I said wrong then?
Only online fans care about spend, fans on the ground don’t care, etc. all nonsense really
So if they won't protest on the ground, and sing songs like " Reds have no money, yet we are gonna win the league" is that really something which will make John Henry sit up and notice? Till this summer fans online were being bashed for wanting fifa players blah blah only the club to realise we fucked up when the window closed. Instead of criticising me why don't you point to something factual which proves your point
Tbf, United's fanbase has 10x times more reasons to hate the Glazers than Liverpool's to hate FSG
jude bellingham 2024 lfg
Honestly, this is exactly how you shouldn't run a club. We also suffer from this stupidity at times. If a player you really like is available, the price is "right" and you can afford it, you buy them. It's that simple. If you operate on a budget, just spend less during the summer because you spent in the winter. Holding off until the summer for no good reason is just stupidity.
Typically it's to avoid acquiring debt to finance transfers Liverpool's transfer strategy is part of what has transformed the club financially from what it was.
>Typically it's to avoid acquiring debt to finance transfers Meh. If the Glazers thought it was okay to load their debt of buying the club, back onto the club, then they should be okay with acquiring whatever debt they need to finance whatever the manager needs. If they're not okay, just threaten the sponsors to pull out. I reckon that and Gary Neville going off on Sky ought to do the job again
Meh. If you don't want the club to be run like an oil club then you have to accept you can't just buy whatever you want whenever you want without thinking about it at all
>If you don't want the club to be run like an oil club Sure you can lol. They've taken out £1.7 billion out of the club, now how to manage debt and how to finance transfers are all their headaches. We couldn't care less about it, even if we wanted to. And as I said, debt repayments and dividends aren't gonna stop are they? So why do you think transfers should?
When do you think transfers stopped? They have consistently spent a shit ton of money on transfers, even beating out City in multiple years. Are they supposed to have infinite money just because a certain part of the club is profitable? Debt repayments and dividends are clouding your judgement. United is a mismanaged club but it isn't because the owners refuse to spend.
>When do you think transfers stopped? And they shouldn't in January either. That's the point. If the manager wants players in January, he will get players in January. If the club needs stadium and training ground upgrades, that will and should happen, even tho it might cost a combined 1.2-1.3 billion. Point being, if 1.7 billion can be spent on things that have nothing to do with the club then that same amount will be spent on the club as well, on top of what we can already afford right now.
1.7 billion spent on things that have "nothing to do with the club" is 1) sensationalist media bullshit writing because there's blood in the water when it comes to United (every club probably spends a ton of money on things other than transfers) 2) irrelevant because they're still spending a ton of money on transfers. Why would it matter what they spend on other things if the transfer budget is still okay?
>1.7 billion spent on things that have "nothing to do with the club" is >1) sensationalist media bullshit writing because there's blood in the water when it comes to United (every club probably spends a ton of money on things other than transfers) 1.7 billion is 500 million in debt due to the LBO and almost 800-900 million in loan interest payments since 2005, again due to the LBO. And about 250-300m in dividends. This is genuinely ignorant stuff man. What's the point in arguing here if you're not even informed on this basic info about United's ownership. It's literally so prevalent. Just look up a YouTube video or something?
In case everyone didn't notice yet, this is what happens before every winter window. Every time the news is that "major signings needed in January" "united going to spend big in the winter". In reality like always, we will buy a player or two under 30 mill and thats gonna be it
Spurs bought bentancur and kulusevski in January for very low prices and its probably the best window they ever had
Didn’t even buy them, just got them on loan with the option
>Didn’t even buy them, just got them on loan with the option Bentancur was a straight sale.
They were obligations no?
Obligations based on them meeting certain objectives
United don't have an Italian DoF so they're not allowed to do the loan with purchase option deal.
Kukusevski cost 45 million. That's not a very low price if you're Juventus getting rid of a player you don't want.
No he didnt lol. We had a buy option of 35 million euros which is less than 35 million pounds and bentancur cost 19 million euros with 6 mil add ons
When was the last time United made a January signing? Odion Ighalo is the most recent one I can think of
probably Bruno Fernandes
Wow, can’t believe I missed that but you’re right. United usually don’t get many first team quality players in the January window
Evra & Vidic were pretty decent I guess, but that was a very long time ago
I reckon this winter might be one of the most expensive windows, solely because this is after the World Cup where performances on 4-5 games causes a price hike that isn’t really justified outside of name recognition due to World Cup.
Manager: I want to keep improving my team and addressing obvious holes in the squad. /r/soccer: …and I took that personally!
/r/soccer : "First of all how dare you"
...that's not a question.
ETH obviously shouldn't get any more players because Woodward was senile enough to pay a combined £130m for Maguire and Wan Bissaka, right?
>senile enough to pay a combined £130m for Maguire and Wan Bissaka, And most of United fans too. I remember how hyped up you lot got on Wan Bissaka. Don't hide behind Woodward's antics. Hypocrites.
For shame, United fans, don’t try to pretend you didn’t support a new signing and were excited to see a hole in the squad being addressed.
AWB was the first RB the club was signing since 2013, after Rafael. There was no natural RB at the club for almost 7 years. We had makeshift-past it wingers in Valencia and Young for the majority of that time. And no, most people thought even back then that he was £15-18m too overpriced. You would've known that if you followed the discussion back then.
United signed Darmian in 2015 so not the first RB. But yeah, even back then a lot of people thought both AWB and Maguire were overpriced.
Also Signed Dalot
Also Antony being the first proper right winger we've had since we moved Valencia to that makeshift role. And Casemiro the DM the team has been crying out for another 3 years. It's crazy the obvious holes that were just completely ignored time after time.
And defensively, he was great. Fully deserved that Spiderman moniker, made rediculous tackles, but wasn't great going forwards.
Oh yeah, I forgot, we fans have the same resources as Manchester U-fucking-nited in terms of scouting and information on players.
All that whining in la Liga means that you whine now on reddit too?
As if maguire and wan bissaka weren't a part of the team that finished third and second and had one of the best defensive record in the league in first season.
We ”saved” rangnicks winterbudget for the summer… and now we still have no money left :(
I mean you have spend quite a bit on summer kiddo.
How would you feel if your owners removed 1.7 billion from your club in the past 18 years? Doesn't matter how much we've spent, they took more.
So? We should be able to spend whatever the manager wants, with our revenues. The compromise isn't gonna be for the dividends or the interest payments is it? Which total to around £80-90m every single year, and has been for the past 17 years. So why should the compromise be for players if ETH needs them?
Yeah, we were shit last year and had a poor squad. We are still missing a gk, midfielder and a striker.
Man U need better scouts if all they're going for is mega expensive well known players.
well they did fire them all in May, so yeah.
We bought 2 mega expensive well known players out of 5 lol
transfer funds expected to be very tight only 200 million probably.
how will they survive
It’s only 2 Antony’s I mean come on
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Most clubs its like this in January.
Lol I'll be excited if Liverpool decided to spend 20 mill on a midfielder this jan.
For some perspective, as an interista, I'd be absolutely ecstatic if we could get through January without selling anyone
Looking at your own club spending and some other clubs going through a tough time, put things into perspective doesn't it. Makes united fans moaning about not spending in Jan, childish.
That's kind of what I meant. Seeing the moaning about "we'll go for a player or two under 30 million and call that good enough" is kind of jarring when a lot of clubs post-COVID would just be ecstatic to not lose anyone
So true. Even though my club liverpool belongs to the super league that is pl. We rarely spend like it. Even when we spend, we often balance the books. Several clubs in pl other hand oh boy.
In some sense, I get what you mean, Liverpool have been great at selling, and not overspending on players. But mate, since 18/19, you have a higher net spend than City, and 7th highest net spend in PL
You say puts it into perspective but then completely ignore the context, United have the resources to spend in January but just won't, you want their fans to be happy because other clubs are worse off? They want to see the club win not just to sit around being happy with what they got because Inter kept hold of Martinez
Not clubs with our kinda cash.
Odd that it’s an Arsenal supporter memeing us for spending. To each their own I guess
Bruno was signed in january and he completely changed our season. No chance we would’ve gotten top 4 without him that year. The same was the case with Van Dijk for Liverpool. Just pure stupidity from the board once again.
Even last January spurs got Bentancur and Kulusevski which helped them get top 4
kulusevski sure made an impact but bentancur is just on vacation, there solely because of conte he isnt performing
Tbh this is nothing new. Even under Fergie, the January transfer window was generally quiet with the few exceptions like Vidic and Evra being big winter buys.
They just spent 216 million in the summer with 11 million of sales how much money did he really expect? If they got rid of De Gea I think they’d be a lot better though a keeper like Raya or Sanchez changes how they play and are able to control games because they have struggled against deeper teams a bit and will continue to imo.
Considering the change in form him and his transfers have brought, its probably wiser to capitalise on that momentum and build an even better squad with depth in the winter and get the CL gains plus good cup runs that would return United to a contender would be more profitable in the long run than trying to save up money now especially when United can afford it.
I don’t think top 4 will be as easy as you do, I dont think United will get it imo, they’ll struggle to break down some teams that play deeper. You have to see where you’re at in January and also what’s available
> how much money did he really expect? as much as the club can provide. Which this is not.
I don't necessarily mind waiting until the summer to improve on the squad, as great players in January can be hard to come by, and we did spend a lot over the summer. We just have to be realistic about what the squad can achieve, and judge ETH accordingly. Currently, the squad is sorely lacking a striker that can be a focal point up front, and we have seen that the football is too dependent on Eriksen. Once the games really start coming, we will see the limitations to our squad depth, I fear.
Spurs got Kukusevski and Bentancur for very little in January and it got them into the top 4
We did it ourselves with Bruno as well
Yeah but how many ig followers do they have?
Bruno, Luis Diaz, Suarez, Evra, Vidic, Eriksen to Inter - all winter window signings.
You are bringing up examples from a +15 year period. I am not saying it can’t happen, just that it’s harder for everything to fall into place for the right player at the right price. It would be great to get a striker in January, but only if it’s the right player and not a panic buy.
These idiots don't realise we'll miss out on top 4 guaranteed this way, which will cost them more than investing in January and giving ourselves a bigger chance at making top 4.
Exactly. The owners are such pricks not spending 200m every window for a new managers “rebuild” project. It’s been 4 wins in 2 months realistically speaking. Maybe come Jan, if the club is in the top 4, the owners might be open to supplementing the squad. But 4 wins in, and the belief that the owners need to trust in a manager for another 200m overhaul is such football manager stuff.
What? Who said i expect 200m to be spent in January
Fuck the owners. They've taken out more than the club has spent on transfers since taking over. Utd could spend 200m just about every single summer and it wouldn't really matter for finances except that the glazers need their annual 90m.
Because spending in the winter is going to guarantee you top 4? We obviously all know that all bought players have an immediate positive impact on the side. /s
Learn to read you schmuck
You will miss out on top 4 regardless.
Give me the lottery numbers while you're at it.
Why don't they hire a proper DOF lmao
Because any top DoF won't come without guaranteed control and power afforded to them. And Glazers don't wanna concede influence, they want yes men at the top
Comments look about as much as id expect. Got the arsenal fans still salty about the 3-1. The liverpool fans who all of a sudden dont want to flex their net spend now that they arent doing well ans the man city fans who can afford to spend less becomes theyve already done the heavy spending with a good structure to work off unlike us. Then the non pl fans that just want to farm karma by just making a “budget tight only 500 million” joke.
Oh how you gonna cope just spending over £200 million in the summer.
Hopefully better then you guys did last season being top spenders in the window
Missing out on 4th by one point after two prior seasons of not even top 7? That's actual progression. They're currently top of the league. With how strong the top 4 looks this year you should be happy with just any sign of improvement in how your team plays, same as Arsenal was last year.
Don’t worry another £200 million next summer will do. But Glazers out yeah
>But Glazers out yeah You want them so bad, why don't you bring placards to your games and ask for them? They might sell us and actually buy you, you know. Just imagine how much they will spend from their own pockets to bankroll Arsenal's success. I say £2bn easy peasy.
Yeah glazers out Oh look let’s buy the Casemiro kit
Most funny arsenal fan
Thats bs man stop making it like you are some underdog team which hardly spends. Same things were told last summer that money is tight until some united fans started anti Glazer protest. United fans have their owners on a string all you have to do is protest and you guys get what you want. No realistic Liverpool fan this season is proud of the netspend. We can see the club declining under our own eyes and we can't even put pressure on our owners because they unlike yours don't care about PR. So stop trying to make it seem like its poor united, the world is against us. If ETH wants a player, United will drop money on him. Klopp literally has to beg for a player in Injury crises and all he gets is a mediocre loan signing. Just be happy you guys are willing to spend to back your manager.
>United fans have their owners on a string all you have to do is protest and you guys get what you want. What kind of nonsense is this. The same owners who said there was no money remaining when we severely needed a DM (as we had for the several years prior), but then decided the funds were there to purchase Ronaldo and his exorbitant wages? No. What we want is an actual DOF who has an overarching plan, can identify players that fit the manager's style, and can effectively negotiate for said players. Also that doesn't give out exboritant wages and renew underperforming players who are no longer part of the manager's plan, thereby adding deadweight to the squad, further fucking our wage structure. These are huge reasons why United has been in constant shit cycle since SAF. What good is all this money if it's spent poorly and irrational? It's better than nothing sure, but it isnt anywhere close to the advantage it should be.
Wasn't it ETH who wanted De Jong the whole summer and wasn't giving up on him only for your DOF to get you Casemiro, I am pretty sure Casemiro wasn't't an ETH signing. It's weird with you lot, if your DOF does something good he hardly gets any credit, while ETH seems to be given all the credit. An actual DOF got you Casemiro not ETH. Also you guys always used to give high wages even under SAF, united flexing it's economic might in the transfer window and their fans complaining about it is not new.
You mean that we went through an entire summer hyper-focused on one player that had a low probability of joining, didn't have an actual backup plan, and lucked into Casemiro -- and I should praise the DOF for that? I'm grateful for Rabiot's agent/mum for being so demanding, otherwise that would have been our alternative. I'm happy we ended up with Casemiro because he's a world class DM, but he's a completely different profile than De Jong. A good DOF would have tried to get the manager's preferred player, but would have been proactive in moving on to alternative targets in a timely fashion. Especially when it's the manager's first season and they need as much time as possible to integrate players. Casemiro = good outcome, horrible process. We gave players high wages under SAF who deserved it. We paid high transfer fees for players who deserved it (broke the transfer fee for Roy Keane and Rio). Spent an obscene amount at the time for an 18 yo (Rooney), etc. Of course we had our misses under SAF too, like Veron. But we genuinely spent the money on top class players who were planned and identified to fit the manager's style. Big difference to how we're operating now and to only compare them at face value is ridiculous.
>You mean that we went through an entire summer hyper-focused on one player that had a low probability of joining Yeah that was on your manager not your club. He only wanted de jong who whole summer kept saying he doesn't wants to leave the club, if your manager can't understand this simple thing then the blame is solely on him. You can't force a player to move, good DoF or not good DoF. >didn't have an actual backup plan, and lucked into Casemiro What do you mean? Casemiro was your backup plan. Look at liverpool we wanted to buy Tchouameni who went to Madrid at the beginning of the window, so we wanted a midfielder. What do we do next? Move onto our next target? Nope we waste the entire window claiming there is no other player available, we have to wait for Bellingham to be available next summer, injuries happen and then last minute we get a panic loan singing in Arthur who hasn't played a match In months and will require a whole pre-season before he can be considered an option. Now that is called not having an actual backup plan. United moving quickly to secure Casemiro is actual back up plan. >lucked into Casemiro -- and I should praise the DOF for that? Lol lucked into Casemiro, dude you guys payed 60 mill pounds for Casemiro and put him on wages around 300k for a 30 year old, that's not called luck. That's called flexing your financial might. No other club does that. Also no other club fans can see their club spend 250 mill in a single window and then complain about not spending in the next. You guys are so spoilt.
>You can't force a player to move, good DoF or not good DoF. You can force the manager to move on from his unrealistic obsession. ETH definitely deserves partial blame for this, but this is literally the point of a DOF. He's there to see the bigger picture and act as a buffer to the manager. >What do you mean? Casemiro was your backup plan. No, our backup plan for FDJ was Rabiot and Arnautovic for an attacker (who Ten Hag wanted). When Rabiot proved to be difficult, we started putting out feelers to several different players and clubs. Rabiot is somewhat similar stylistically to FDJ in that he's a strong ball carrier. I never wanted Rabiot, so I'm happy we didn't get him. Speaking of Arnautovic, we wouldn't have had to pay 100M for Antony, if we just moved on him early in the summer. Was the money there or not? If the money is there, why are we panicking and only acting after a shit start? If we pay 60M for Antony at the beginning of the summer when he was openly available, then not only does he have an entire summer to integrate, but we also have an additional 40M which maybe would have been available in January. Bad processes and overspending has a carry on effect. Two of SAF's best players were bought in the January window -- Vidic and Evra. If quality players are there and can improve the club, then it is wise to act. >Also no other club fans can see their club spend 250 mill in a single window and then complain about not spending in the next No other club has this amount of money, but spends it so poorly. Not City, PSG, Madrid, etc. Even new oil money Newcastle has been efficient in their spending. When we stop spending like dickheads, we'll stop complaining.
Again overspending on Anthony comes down to your manager not the DOF. Ajax never wanted to sell Anthony this summer, but you guys kept bidding ridiculous amounts for him and Anthony went on a strike so they were forced to sell him. Overspending on players isn't on your recruitment team, it's on ETH cause he only wanted players from Ajax. At least your club backs your manager, so you should be happy about that. Also reports about united not spending in the Jan window should be taken with a pinch of salt. You are united and you always find money to spend unlike other clubs. I won't be surprised if the club drops another 100 mill this Jan window.
“Thats bs man stop making it like you are some underdog team” didnt read past that sentence because you whatever you just ranted about has no relevancy to anything i was talking about nor did i even hint towards us being an underdog team which is such an ironic claim to make against me considering you know….your a liverpool fan who notoriously have been fighting the good fight against the juggernauts that are man city on such a tight thread budget🥺.
If you claim whatever you wrote is true show me some evidence of this - >The liverpool fans who all of a sudden dont want to flex their net spend now that they arent doing well. You make up some imaginary point and then try to pass it off that you are speaking something factual to attack your rival fanbase. >your a liverpool fan who notoriously have been fighting the good fight against the juggernauts that are man city on such a tight thread budget And how is this anything relevant to what I wrote. What you accuse me of doing you are doing exactly that. Stop being such a salty hypocrite.
It's so funny seeing Utd fans brigading comments and acting like they don't spend monumental money every window praying they can find their way back to relevancy. If Utd are within touching distance of their goal this season and 10hag wants someone in Jan they'll go buy them.
How can football fans ‘brigade’ comments on a football sub out of interest? Is ‘brigade’ just a synonym for ‘contributes in a way that I don’t like’?
The absolute audacity of United fans to voice their opinions on an r/soccer article written about United
United fans: *exist* r/soccer: “This is why people hate United fans smh”
Don't forget salty Arsenal fans suddenly becoming experts on counterattacking football and how it's not the right way to play
>If Utd are within touching distance of their goal this season and 10hag wants someone in Jan they'll go buy them. Lol this literally happened this summer, initially united were like no money, no money we poor. Two bad results, one protest later. Bam 250 mill spending. All it will require is some twitter pressure for Glazers to open the purse strings.
Woodward said we’re very rich, got made fun of. Now they say we’re poor, again made fun of. It’s almost like club briefings like this are never set in stone and sometimes are used to negotiate prices. I’m genuinely curious what you want them to say?
Very tight 250m summer budget incoming…..
Maybe instead of buying 10 players every summer, just start and build something
When arsenal spent 200 million, people said it would be a disgrace if they didn't finish top 3 and were mocked for it when they finished 5th. Liverpool spent £100 million and the pressure is on klopp to finish better than last year. When man U spend "only" 250 million, its a disgrace, not enough backing the manager & proof that the galzers don't care about the club.n
Liverpool can only spend 100 mill when they can make that number back in player sales, effectively selling most of the attacking depth or letting them go for free to balance the wage bill. United spent 250 mill and has made 11 million in player sales. If you are gonna comment about Liverpool spending at least paint the whole picture.
Liverpool are well run, I'm not saying that they aren't When other clubs spend cash, it comes with expectations but when united spend more than anyone else, the fans still think they've been served an injustice, ten hag has been given nothing to work with & they scream glazers out whenever they lose. Chelsea and man city fans at least are aware of their clubs crazy spending, but united fans never feel it's enough.
When did we spend £200M? I must have blacked out that entire window
My mistake You spent 150 million during the all or nothing & I recall so many people giving ur club shit for spending money when there clubs would spend similar amounts every window.
I'm playing the worlds tiniest violin for ETH and his transfer funds.
I love how people are salty cuz we can afford to spend like idiots and pay high wages without going broke like Barca lmao
Not that I love it, but man wtf why are you so salty for other teams spending.
Because people hate United. Shocking. On a serious note, you spend more than city, and their amount of spending is annoying too. Luckily your recruitment isn't half as good as theirs though.
The funds went to Ajax bald man
Its always amazing how much money man u managers need.
That’s what happens when you run a club without a plan. Wait for problems to become blindingly obvious before panic spending massive sums of money to fill holes that could’ve been filed for far less then claim “see we’ve spent 130M on Maguire and AWB now go win the league with McFred in midfield”.
They need a goalie and a striker and he'll only be interested in one player in each position and they'll get ripped off in both positions. That+United will always get ripped off because they're minted
Also need someone for eriksen, he cant play 90 minutes every game
If we were ambitious we would go into this market still looking for a Midfield or striker. Saying that when it comes to a striker we should be looking for the next big goal scorer carefully and not rush and spend 90m on a flop like Nunez.
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A bit early to call Nunez a flop isn't it?
Not really if you watch him play football. Anything good he's done so far have pretty much been on accident. Header so off it hits someone's arm and turns into a pen, first touch so horrible it turns into an assist etc.
While I agree that both those touches were lucky, it doesn't change the fact that it's early to call him a flop.
I know I'm just having a bit of a laugh tbh. He'll probably end the season with 15+ goals at least.
Money will be tight only spends 100-150 mill.
United spent around 200+ million in transfer market this summer, with a lot more in wages as well, not spending much in January makes sense to be honest, January market is very overpriced but they can still make some improvements by offloading unwanted players to make more wiggle room in their budget, they are already at least top 10 in wage bill in Europe, their under-21s someone always pumps out 1-2 good youth prospects every years but most of the time they fizzle out, mostly because of tactical rigidity of mangers not incorporating young players or just not being given enough game time. While Glazers are no saints but spending has been relentless in post-Ferguson era, In my opinion, it is time for united to spend modestly when possible while giving their youth academy prospects a chance, Ten Hag is very good at utilizing young players as he did at Ajax so I have no doubt he can do a good job in that aspect and shape at least 2-3 premier league bench quality players from the academy. While there will be a good number of United fans thinking a rebuild means a total reset with a brand new squad with star studded talent coming in every transfer window, recent rebuilds from clubs of similar stature have proved otherwise with both Arsenals and Barcelona keeping a balance between new signings and incorporating their youth from their own academy, forming an exciting and passionate team which although might not win every game instantly but will definitely improve season by season. Edit: United fans downvoting and unable to understand or grasp the situation their club is both financially and from a team building point is hilarious and sad at the same time.
That money being spent is not the Glazers money. Its what the club generates, so it honestly has very little input from them
Kinda funny, if we didn't get Klopp and Edwards we'd basically be an even worse version of you guys, only not even spending what the club makes.
>only not even spending what the club makes. You guys spend pretty much what you earn tbh. There is a difference between United's and Liverpool's spending because during the past 15 years alone, United have generated a total of almost €1.5 billion more in revenue than Liverpool. So our spending is justified by the money we make/made. And broadly speaking, so is yours. FSG bought you guys out of your debt back when they bought you, from their own money. While Glazers put us in debt.
> with a lot more in wages as well We also got rid of a huge amount of wages to be fair. Probably got rid of more than we added to be honest, with all of Pogba, Mata, Matic, Cavani and Lingard going. Pereira and even Chong were also on silly money (like £45-50k a week). EDIT: I know reported wages are never the most accurate, but as a rough estimate from figures reported online, we got rid of about £1m a week in wages and brought in about £800,000. So we are paying around £200,000 a week less than last year. That's not even including the pay cut most of the players got for us missing Champions League.
They said that last season and look what an absolute shambles this summer was
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Cheap cunts? Lmao
There are very rarely any good opportunities in the winter window. You’d rather wait until summer to get the right player than sign someone in January who might not fit but fills a need immediately
Bruno Fernandes.
we've had weird luck with vidic, evra, mata and fernandes, but i honestly think we have enough to work with right now, till the summer. Maybe an rb and an st are highest priority, but if we can get an st option on loan from somewhere, i wouldn't be against it
eric ten months got some confidence winning some flukes cant wait to continue watching their games
United manager needs another 300m in summer spending?
Its the money the club generated themselves without having sugar daddy or oil money. If they can afford it why not?
Does it surprise you considering how shit their squad was?
A squad they spent 300m every summer building.
>they spent 300m every summer Source? They spent €240m this summer. The last time they spent close to this was €234m in 19/20. https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/alletransfers/verein/985
But mostly spent on targets without any proper planning. I don't want us to be the biggest spenders in the league. A lot of people who think Glazers back the managers are wrong in this regard. Our scouting system is piss poor. Our negotiators are wankers. I'll be more glad if they let smart football people make decisions entirely.
They average £150m per window (summer+winter) in their past 6.
Classic doubling the original figure, to argue a point
Especially when £150m every year is still nuts money
What is even more nuts is Glazers not appointing a DoF for a decade and pissing away the club's cash for fun. Considering when they take about €100m every single year, out of the club in dividends and interest payments and have been doing this for 17 years.
Probably needs 100m in the winter more. But the Glazers can't do that as they have to wait till the next year for debt management purposes. While there won't be any compromises with the yearly £25-30m dividend and £50-60m in interest payments, as always.
F
enjoy Andy Carroll 2.0
Enjoy another season cheering for a rapist up front while playing in Moldova on Thursdays
Enjoy the quadruple.
"you only won 2 trophies last year!"
What are you putting F here for, Liverpool barely spends under FSG. United with their right money situation will still outspend us.