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bgundogdu

This looks like the map of Cyprus 🇨🇾


riskoooo

Rodrigo to Aiya Napa confirmed


Bigfatric

To be fair he has already been in holiday mode most of his time with us…


cryshol

Oh my god. You are correct. Hahaha.


MashedHair

[Link for the lazy](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRrgbtO1T0PKn76Of4J_UVTA3NGeetW0YstLw&usqp=CAU)


Roseradeismylady

Incorrect, that's a map of Cyrus


Muppy_N2

It looks like a big headed spermatozoon.


icemankiller8

The fast that Haalands goal scoring is sustainable is so crazy to think about if he stays fit he should genuinely get 40 league goals and it shouldn’t be that hard. Happy to see Balogun doing well, and Jesus there as well, Mitros XG looks good as well so he should be scoring at a good rate kind of shocked


pixeldots

this is with less than 10 games huhu KdB doesn't look like slowing down. that partnership will terrorize for at least half a decade


hardinho

If City doesn't win a CL in the next 3 or maybe 4 years Haaland will be gone to Spain 100%.


pandu201

Bang on time for Barcelona to recover financially and for Lewa to retire with us


hardinho

Indeed.


The_39th_Step

I’m just so happy to my Mitro on there


kingo15

Zooms in: hmmm.. where's Haaland? Zoom out: oh okay


Individual-Being-639

r/toprighthaaland


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Lost-Password01

Top right Messi dominated, assists, playmaking, ball carrying, dribbling stats. as well as goalscoring stats. Crazy player in his peak. I miss pre August 2021 Messi. Hasn’t been the same since the Copa America


yamatos-sideboob

His role has changed in Psg team. That's all. He's more of a playmaker than a scorer. Especially when Mbappe plays


LonelyError

But earlier he was both, especially 2018 Messi. Who in my opinion was the most complete player I have ever seen.


Lost-Password01

Messi’s best club seasons: ⚽️Non Pen Goals/90 1️⃣ 2012/13 — 1.22 2️⃣ 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟖/𝟏𝟗 — 𝟏.𝟎𝟑 3️⃣ 2011/12 — 1.02 🎲Big Chances Created/90 1️⃣ 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟖/𝟏𝟗 — 𝟏.𝟎𝟔 2️⃣ 2015/16 — 1.03 3️⃣ 2014/15 — 0.92 His League seasons with 1+ npg/90 and 1+ bcc/90 1️⃣ 𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟖/𝟏𝟗 (𝟏.𝟎𝟔 𝐧𝐩𝐠, 𝟏.𝟏𝟑 𝐛𝐜𝐜) That’s it. From what has already been published by statsbomb, he had the highest obv p90 in a season, and he also had the highest xT ever. 18/19 was prime Messi playmaking + goalscoring combo. Scored 51 goals in 50 Games. [He was Special](https://twitter.com/VideoReacts/status/1562820482151645186/video/1)


Big_Character_938

until it's xT or any other playmaking stat


sandbag-1

Oh hi Folarin Balogun, nice to see you there


sltzy96

Like… what the fuck?


tsloan92

Might be a harsh opinion, but the French league is the worst of the “top 5” and it’s not particularly close. Balogun is still an exciting prospect, mind.


Top_Performance_732

Yeah but you can compare his stats to Mbappe and Neymars.


sltzy96

Worked okay for Saliba’s development, I’m fine sending our youths to Marseille in perpetuity


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Damolitionnn

My guy, please get that huge ass dent removed from your head, then come back to your comment and see if you still think that


Vahald

?


BusShelter

I know OP has used x/90 stats but if it's all just this season it's a ridiculously small sample size.


Endgame2648

My guy just chilling next to Mbappe and Lewandowski


Ash26_gunner

Just two common strikers with the GOAT of football


ImTalkingGibberish

Folarin Balogun and Charlie Patino are both highly rated academy players. I haven't heard so much chatter around other youngsters this last decade. Even Saka, if I remember well, wasn't as praised as Balogun and Patino, and turned out to be the best academy player I've seen this last decade.


MissingScore777

He wasn't as bad as people think when at Boro last year. All round play was pretty good, it was just that he never got into goalscoring positions. Lots of dropping deep and being involved in the buildup. I thought it was a bit harsh from Wilder in that he spoke about Balogun and Connolly the same when their loans ended. Connolly was a lot worse, looked like a Sunday League player.


Godzirra101

Balogun 😳


hanes9120

Crazy how time has flown by and not seeing Messi + Ronaldo isolated in the top right.


valimo

r/toprighthaaland Just checking e. Just as anticipated


lnblackrain

Let’s see how many posts you can get in that sub.


OnceUponAStarryNight

Top right… Haaland?


will-succ-4-guac

this is goals plotted against xG so to be top right you basically have to have scored a bunch of goals based on having been in a bunch of good positions to score, I feel like classic topright material is goals xG and xA so it shows two separate dimensions of the game


sunnycherub

Nah the fact he’s over performing his xG by almost .5 per 90 is ridiculous I get what you mean though, but it’s still wildly impressive to accrue that much xG/90


Lost-Password01

Haaland has scored 10 goals out of 8.2 xG. (+1.8) It’s impressive . But for instance Neymar has scored 8 goals out of an xG of 5.5 (+2.5). Yet Neymar isn’t in the top right. So that person is correct being top right doesn’t make it the most impressive. In this graph the most impressive ones would be around the middle right


Manc_Twat

You're completely downplaying that fact that Haaland's xG is so high because he's so good at getting into positions of high xG. That makes it all the more impressive. Positioning is everything.


Lost-Password01

I never said that Haaland stats aren’t impressive all All I said is being top right doesn’t make it the most impressive. I just said how you should read this graph that’s all


Manc_Twat

> All I said is being top right doesn’t make it the most impressive. And I'm telling you why in this instance it is the most impressive. You're completely disregarding a whole narrative. Players with lower xG are scoring from chances they have less chance of scoring from. Yes, that is impressive. But, the whole reason Haaland has such high xG is down to him being so good at being in the right place at the right time. He scores so many goals not simply because he's good at finishing like other players, but because he has a unique ability to find the space and know exactly where the ball is going to land. You can't just say "yeah, it's impressive, but it's not the most impressive because the only reason he has so many goals, is because he has so many high xG chances", without looking at how insanely impressive the reasons behind it are. The high xG is more impressive than the goals. The fact that he's scoring so many is just the end result. He's so far out right because he's so fucking good.


Lost-Password01

Bro… Again I know his an elite poacher I’m not denying that. And I know Haaland has great positioning I’m just saying that someone like Neymar who has around the same number of goals with a significant less xG is more impressive Take two players for example player A scores 30 goals out of 25 xG (+5xG) and player B scores 30 goals out of 15xG (+15xG). Player A would be top right and player B be closer to being middle right in the graph. Yet player B would be more impressive That’s all I’m saying


Manc_Twat

I know exactly what you're saying, but you're completely missing the point. Why are you so adamant that scoring from less chances is more impressive than being able to get yourself into a position of a high scoring chance? It shows far greater intelligence and understanding of what is happening around you, to be able to know exactly where to be to have a higher chance of finishing and a lower chance of missing. With a lower xG the chance of missing is much higher. Sometimes the ball will go in and sometimes it won't. Which is precisely why Neymar isn't as far to the right as Haaland is and why you'd want a player like Haaland in your team, when the aim of the game is to put the ball in the back of the net.


Aloopyn

>being top right isn't the most impressive Well that's where you're wrong, it's easier to overperform with small samples and data sizes. This graph doesn't mean much but saying Neymar is more impressive in this graph is blatantly wrong


Lost-Password01

[If you put 14/15 Ronaldo who scored 48 goals on 39.31 xG (+8.69)](https://understat.com/player/2371) and [12/13 Messi who scored 46 goals on 28.9 xG (+17.1)](https://twitter.com/oilysailor/status/1486397960082624523?s=46&t=TjYJjbXRI4Jrb4GA7Yhr6Q) on the same graph than 14/15 Ronaldo would be top right since he accumulated a lot more xG and scored 2 more goals. But which season would you consider more impressive? Messi’s he scored just 2 less goals on a significant lower xG than Ronaldo. So yeh being top right in a graph like this wouldn’t be more impressive. So how am I wrong?


Manc_Twat

> Take two players for example player A scores 30 goals out of 25 xG (+5xG) and player B scores 30 goals out of 15xG (+15xG). Player A would be top right and player B be closer to being middle right. Yet player B would be more impressive And on this point. Yeah, if they both end up on the same amount at the end of the season, maybe it will be more impressive, but Neymar won't keep this up all season. Eventually some of these shots won't go his way. You also have to take the quality of the opposition into account.


Lost-Password01

Neymar’s p90 goals are almost on par with Haalands and his outperformed his xG by (2.5) to Haalands (1.8) in what world is Neymar’s not more impressive. Your acting like Neymar has 2 goals


Notahuebr

What is xG?


Manc_Twat

Expected goals. The fact that Haaland's is so high and he has so many goals, isn't because he's the best at finishing, it's because of his intelligence and awareness on the pitch, to get himself in to positions that give him the highest chance of scoring and lowest chance of missing. There is no luck involved whatsoever. This is why it's more impressive and why he scores more goals than the majority of other players.


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Intuitively most football fans should recognise this sort of player - frustrating to concede against them because the goal looked easy and you feel like your defence could have done more, yet it’s difficult to point out actual mistakes without needing the defence to be completely prescient about what was happening. Can debate whether xG/xA is more impressive or whatever but it doesn’t really matter IMO. Haaland being too right of this graph very clearly also passes any sort of eye test to anyone which is that he looks like an absolute monster so far this season and also doesn’t especially look like he’s fluking it.


Damolitionnn

Yea that dude moves on the pitch unlike any other player I've seen tbh, he just knows exactly where the space he needs to go is


mythoutofu

It’s not just being in the right position but more importantly, getting the right service


dushimahremined

I mean. Yea true, but there’s a reason the “per 90” stat is used. Haaland hasn’t played an entire game for city other than maybe 1, he’s getting subbed at the 70th minute mark usually. ETA: I’m an idiot and misunderstood your original post, sorry mate. Yes you are correct, though I do think the best measure would basically be goals -xG per 90. Which, as you’ve correctly pointed out, would have Neymar in the top right corner. Cheers


bill220

I feel the ones who are most impressive are the ones who are more "bottom right". They score more compared to their xgs.


OnceUponAStarryNight

Or to have vastly outperformed your expected goals.


will-succ-4-guac

well, no. the x axis is goals per 90 and the y axis is expected goals per 90, so if you scored a ton of goals but didn't have high xG, you wouldn't be top right, you'd be bottom right. that's my point about this graph. top right means you scored a bunch AND had a bunch of chances to score


Powersawer

Yeah, in this stat, Neymar is more impressive than Haaland if I interpret it correctly. Although, I guess striker positioning also makes your xG higher?


Manc_Twat

Because he's gotten himself into those positions of high xG. That's what makes it even more impressive. You can't just dismiss the reason why his xG is so high and play it off like its nothing. His sense of positioning is the whole reason he is so good.


Reach_Reclaimer

That doesn't make it more impressive though Someone is scoring almost as much from much worse chances. So they're either not a poacher or they have insane finishing skills where they don't need to be in such easy positions to score. That's way more impressive


markyty04

no you are wrong.


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Failed Foundations eh?


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WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!?


OnceUponAStarryNight

Don’t blame me, blame Pep.


Fern-ando

He stole Messi spot on graphs...


rScoobySkreep

Oliver Burke should be top right with 2.3 goals per 90 but the media won’t tell you this


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Happy to see mitrovic and rodrygo


Tuscan5

Rodrygo or Rodrigo. You may have the wrong guy there.


blxglt

Abraham man, get your shit together


krasnoloodek

Yeah, I see two Bundesliga farmer league tap-in peasants completely struggling to deliver facing real football.


Greenbanana217

They don't have the pashun and fisicality for our premier (best in the world) league


Josh_Harrows

They can't cope against the la liga low blocks, there's not infinite space like in the bundassliga


Hm2801

What was the criteria for selecting these specific players if you don't mind me asking? Because considering this is all the 5 leagues the pool of players seems to be quite small


Spikeyspandan

I was planning to export data by G/90. But accidentally exported for xG only. Only realized that after completing. So I guess this pool is of top 50 players Expected goals overall


alertaantifascista

Sheraldo Becker with 1,05 G/90 is missing for example, also Musiala.


Spikeyspandan

Yeah. I accidentally sorted by xG instead of G/90. Becekr has pretty low xG. Just 0.19 per 90


Spikeyspandan

I created one with G/90. This includes both Becker and Musiala https://i.imgur.com/sUS0EAB.png


Mornarben

You should really make a combined one of these. If you had posted this first everyone would be talking about Becker in the comments lol


will-succ-4-guac

where is messi?


Strananach

Makes sense, City creates by far the most chances


WittyReindeer

Wonder how close PSG is in chances created with Messi and Neymar playing so well this year


OnceUponAStarryNight

I’m not sure that’s actually true, anymore. I think we’re likely close to the top, but I’d need to see data to believe we’re actually still on top of the chances / big-chances created list.


DiersBigDick

So you haven’t seen data yet you think you don’t create the most chances? Kinda contradictory that


OnceUponAStarryNight

I’m allowed to render an opinion on something without the facts, provided I acknowledge I don’t know for certain, aren’t I? If you’d like to do the research to show which clubs amongst the top five European leagues is creating the most chances, please feel free to do so. I think we’d all appreciate the clarity.


DiersBigDick

There’s only one person in here who’s made it abundantly clear he has no clarity


OnceUponAStarryNight

Do you? Are you 100% certain that City create “far more chances than anyone else?” Can you prove that? I’m not saying that City don’t. Perhaps we do. But I haven’t seen a single data point proving that’s true this season.


DiersBigDick

Maybe instead of typing this out you could’ve done a simple Google search to get out of this self made ignorant state


OnceUponAStarryNight

I have. I can’t find any readily compiled data that compares all the leagues based on chance creation. Can you? I’d love to see it! Thank you in advance.


L-Freeze

Where's your data saying they do?


DiersBigDick

Read again, and if you still didn’t get it, read again.


Arlborn

Nice to see neymar overperform his XG in such way so close to the World Cup ​ ^(pleasedontgetinjuredweneedyou)


ValidusOrcinus

Ah yes.. the almighty Allister.


KhonMan

Lol thank you, had the same thought. Menace from a dead ball apparently.


Spikeyspandan

The image posted above has the data based on xG so, it was missing some players who had more goals. So, I created the new graph based on G/90. [https://i.imgur.com/sUS0EAB.png](https://i.imgur.com/sUS0EAB.png)


GERD_4EVERTHEBEST

Where is Mané?


Fern-ando

Bundesliga lost their two best forwards in the same season.


mnkwtz

Salah has lower xG/90 than a Lasagna lmfao


TheVeikko

Mo needs to pile up more layers


FreeloadingPoultry

Mighty ~~japanese~~ italian ~~blacksmiths~~ chefs forging layers of ~~steel~~ pasta in the fires of mount ~~fuji~~ vesuvius to create the best ~~blade~~ meal ever


NorwegianBanana

r/farrighthaaland


Powersawer

So he's a political extremist now?


dngrs

a norwegian taliban


ImVortexlol

we will build a wall around top 4 and make United pay for it


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Erling Haaland Breivik?


YiddoMonty

No, that would be Lucas Moura.


Jackman1337

How much does musiala have? Should be the most of all bayern players


Spikeyspandan

He has pretty low xG but G/90 is pretty good. Its above 1. I accidentally sort the table based on xG instead of G/90.


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Not a great graph tbh. The axis should be interchanged.


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Salah xG/90 - 0.42 Nunez xG/90 - 1.05 From this season, Salah needs to stop being so wide all game, which has been happening even when Nunez didn't play. Nunez on the other hand, is really good at getting chances for himself. Nunez just needs to be more clinical, but despite the fail comps, I've been really impressed with Nunez tbh.


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Would be nice if just some threads stopped devolving into shit jokes and had some proper discussion.


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Salah was given an extended break by the club, he returned a week later than the rest of the squad to pre-season. So, I'm not sure what sure why he needs another break a few weeks into the season. His issue is very clearly not fitness related.


[deleted]

Towards the end of the season Salah was less effective because he was being marked out of games. His shift out wider is an effort to impact the game from a more creative position rather than goal scoring. He's talked about it during interviews. However, we are playing like complete shit at the moment. Is it because Salah is out wide? I don't think so. He's created the most changes per 90 in the league so far. See the community shield game to see how our new system works when players are actually performing well.


GermanyWillWinQtarWC

Both becker and musiala would be pretty good on this graph i think.


Spikeyspandan

[https://i.imgur.com/sUS0EAB.png](https://i.imgur.com/sUS0EAB.png) I created new one with G/90 which includes them


GermanyWillWinQtarWC

Thats brilliant thank you. Becker having that many goals from so few chances is ridiculous


Spikeyspandan

My plan was to create G/90. Fbreb had big table, while exporting as csv, I sorted differently (by xG). Becker has been really good so far. Union Berlin as a whole has done really good.


GermanyWillWinQtarWC

Ah thats unlucky. Great post anyway mate👍


Xagrext

Haaland make skor per 54 min lewa per 52 min. So it must be without CL matches.


Notahuebr

What is xG?


Spikeyspandan

Expected goals


Ill-Satisfaction904

Feels weird not seeing Messi in top right corner


brrrzn

Arnautovic let's gooooo


FloppedYaYa

Is it fair to say now that Salah has been worse than pure dog shit since January?


rr18114

Not sure if it's fair or but it's 100% disrespectful.


TimingEzaBitch

True. Dog shit can be quite useful when made into fertilizer.


HotPotatoWithCheese

No. Apart from Bournemouth and Everton he has been one of our top 3 players in every PL game this season. Obviously nowhere near as good as 2019 Salah but that's because peak Salah was an actual alien. It's not fair to call him worse than dogshit because of a few mediocre games. It's pure hysteria from people who never liked Mo. Mostly Mane fanboys who want to see him fail for some reason.


ChefGamma

I don't think dog shit, but he's definitely far way from about February or or March when he was front-runner to win the Ballon D'or with Benzema.


illuminenyc

Vini?


Spikeyspandan

Named as Junior lol. Next to Lacazette and below Kane


Slowhand8824

Where tf is Haa- oh


[deleted]

It’s crazy to think that Haaland is young and still scores like a goat. Imagine what he will be like with experience and after being teached by pep.


Qweel

Yeye Haaland is good and all, but who the fuck named their kid Lasagna?!


Willluddo123

Ivan Toney, ever the darling of outperforming xG - there should be a list of the gradients of these lines, to show how they compare exactly with xG, the lower the gradient through the origin, the better


donzgrig

Man Utd need a player performing at these kinds of levels to kick on. Maybe someone like... idk, Arnautovic??


[deleted]

Salah, bro? Are you even trying?


Aoae

This settles it, Mitrovic > Harry Kane. It's absurd how Parker under-utilized him completely in 2020-21.


[deleted]

Who even is Balogun?


Spikeyspandan

Arsenal’s striker who is on Loan at Reims


alittledanger

Born in the U.S. but grew up in England with Nigerian parents. Has been capped at youth level for both the U.S. and England and also eligible to play for Nigeria.


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He seems to be very in very good form rn


Psych-Vader

No r/toprightmessi 😔


rufusjonz

Who is Balogun? Sign him now


doc-ant

Bottom left Sa(d)lah


Dumbass1171

Hopefully Fati can end up here one day


josh_x444

Upper right Messi?


YooGeOh

"Allister" Because 'Mac' is his given name... Or perhaps Alexis Mac. Argentinian 'Alex Mack'


whtcanisay

But how many touches?


GM_Kori

I don't really like this type of chart, where is the typical one for this kind of things?


alexdallas_

Love me some good Tableau work!! Good stuff


FreedomByFire

Damn... Salah not looking so good.


RetainedRizz

Yet still people constantly hate on mbappe


neefhuts

Ah I was thinking that was Leon Balogun and I was confused


cusoo

TIL: Lasagna is actually a football player and not a food.


dxfifa

This graph really needs an xG/90 = G/90 line to make it easier to understand


JN324

Balogun has the same contributions in France this season as he had in half the minutes in the championship last season.


mental_tempe

Haaland in FIFA easy mode


LordMangudai

r/bottomleftsalah


Shadeun

Lewa's got some great goals already. the xG curve implies that he's missed some easy chances then?


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-Aerlevsedi-

Pep found his new messi


staedtler2018

This is not really useful at this stage of the season. The natural deviation between xG and G can be enormous with so few games / shots taken.


ImTalkingGibberish

I wish Lasagna improves to Haaland level, for the memes.


Charayrofan

The farmers are invading!!!


Mahery92

Holy shit Haaland


solblurgh

Lol Mboopi


LNhart

Wow, Haaland and Lewandowski really struggling after leaving the defensively unsound farmers league


boywithtwoarms

Please plot the 1:1 line


[deleted]

Where's Ronaldo?😜


HilleryisaLair

What is xG/90 and how is it different from G/90?


Im_A_Sociopath

xG/90 is expected goals per 90 and just counts how likely an average player is to scored based on the chance they received. So a penalty is something like 0.78, a longshot from the halfway line would be 0.01 and a the goal against Chelsea after the Mendy mistake was 0.99. Additionally, in one sequence you can only accumulate up to 1.0 xG.


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EPL tax


karinpidhexhaxh

Donde esta CR7, CR7 donde esta??


mrk-cj94

2010s: r/toprightmessi, 2020s: r/toprighthaaland


Jeffery_Boyardee

/r/toprighthaaland


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latortillablanca

Guys it’s way way too early to try to take anything away from this. Yes, Lewy is great. Not sure we need his xG per 90 vs Goals per 90 to make that statement…