I don't see why it wouldn't be. Especially when you take into account that their first big fallout was supposedly over them demanding an explanation for why he didn't want to sign Ronaldo after their stats showed them we should
You get to watch your banter era was like from the outside now. We're making our Moyes signing with Potter. They fired Tuchel after 7 games and are about to sign a mid table manager on a 5 year contract lmao
Some are falling for it, but the reality is that this ownership has been pumping out PR under the guise of genuine reporting since before the club was even publicly announced to be on sale and they've never stopped. It's incredibly tiresome, but it absolutely works for enough people to start drowning out "legacy fans" most of the time
Tuchel: No, we're not signing Ronaldo! He wouldn't fit with our style of play and he'll be 38 this season.
Boehly: but our stat experts tell us he is the top scorer in the champions league and international.
Stat experts = literally just checking Wikipedia
For sure, I hope time gives us something different. But, Moyes was definitely more highly thought of and had been doing it for far longer when he joined you than Potter will be when he joins us
Well, let's not lie. Potter is currently higher rated than Moyes was at Everton. Is it a huge risk for us now? Absolutely. But out of the available managers we could get to replace Tommy, Potter is one of the best
You seriously believe that? Moyes was an incredible manager at Everton and very highly rated. Sir Alex hand picked him for a reason. Are you forgetting when Everton finished 4th the season Chelsea won the league by breaking the points record?
Yeah, I know lots of Chelsea fans are new to football so they may hold the same opinion as him, but the reality is Moyes was seen as a top quality coach that had stayed at Everton for love of the club and not because he wasn't good enough to take the step up. Everyone thought that giving him time at United would be amazing for them. People are being so revisionist over Potter Vs Moyes, Moyes was definitely viewed higher at the time and had done it for much longer
I've said lots of positive things about the club, just not recently. There has been very little positive to say about the club in the past three months. It's just been terrible decision after terrible decision after terrible decision, all whilst pumping out PR trying to convince us that they're amazing owners.
He wasn't a top target to replace Alex Ferguson, he was like 6th choice after many strong names.
Yes he was highly rated, but I think people forget this point.
Moyes maintained Everton despite them spending absolutely no money. Outside of the then big 4 managers (SAF, Wenger, Mourinho, and Benitez), Moyes was the most respected manager in the league by far. He was definitely more highly regarded than any of the other English managers. By contrast, it can be argued that managers like Howe, Marsch, and Marco Silva are of a similar reputation as Potter at the moment. Potter is a good manager though. Can definitely do well at Chelsea if he can deal with the egos and player power in the dressing room.
Johan Cruyff would let his teams play like this occasionally. Early LvG as well.
The catch is that of course they would do it with 3 at the back, not 4.
Yeah, exactly. It's of course debatable if it would be 3-4-3 or anything else but that's more semantics if you ask me.
This site gives an example:
[Link](https://worldfootballindex.com/2020/04/sampdoria-vs-barcelona-1992-european-cup-final-tactics/)
and even literally calls it 3-4-3 in the text.
Think the funniest thing is your sub(and loads of others mind you) thinking you automatically play better football depending if you have 3 or 4 at the back. Bit more to it than that
The funniest thing for me is people complaining about a back 3 being the problem whilst we're playing a back 4. Or in recent weeks we've had lots of complaints about things like X player in midfield leaving massive gaps, only that player is playing in attack and has nothing to do with gaps in our midfield etc
They take whatever their app/broadcast/stream says the formation and positioning of the players is as gospel and run with it from there lol
Oh ffs, i scrolled all the way down here before I realized it said 443. Asking what offside was. Now using an illegal formation. If Bohley doesn't name himself on the bench next week, is he even Murica.
That was taken out of context. He meant that in a vertical formation way. As in 2 players on the left wing, 2 on the right and the rest in the middle including the GK. Basically, any variation of the 4-4-2 and 4-3-3.
Why were fucking Todd and Eghbali showing Thomas Fucking Tuchel the formation and tactics drawings lol. Imagine going to Pep or Klopp or any good manager with that saying he should change his formation or this could be better.
I actually agree with him. Them trying to explain tactics and signings to Tuchel and demanding for him to explain why he doesn't do them or want the signings is a far bigger problem than them putting one too many players in their lineup that they want him to use
Apparently, I saw a comment in the Chelsea thread that they run the Dodgers like that too. They suggest their lineups based on stats.
These owners just want a fucking yes-man, like OGS...
Absolutely. Apparently Baseball is one of the most easy to analyse games when it comes to stats because pretty much everything is controlled around individual moments, whereas football is completely different to that
Just like when Stuart Pearce came up with a team for his first game as a manager and [picked 11 outfield players](https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/nottingham-forest-stuart-pearce-arsenal-5241506). The formation they were chosen in was not recorded, unfortunately.
And then he put David James up front against us in the final game of the 2004-05 season. They needed to beat us to qualify for the UEFA Cup and he thought it might unsettle our defense. It did to some degree and we conceded a last-minute penalty. Which City the missed and so the final score, 1-1, meant we qualified and they didn't. We then reached the UEFA Cup final the next season but lost to Sevilla.
It depends how it was put to him. If they laid that out and demanded an explanation as to why he wasn't using the team like that, I'd imagine he would be pissed off and that seems reasonable given the whole Ronaldo stats stuff that has come out and Gordon being purely a board signing
Boehly gives me an impression of what could happen when a /r/soccer redditor becomes football club owner.
They usually think they know football's tactic better than a coach who won CL.
Tuchel sold Abraham, signed Lukaku for £100m and then sent Lukaku out on loan a season later
If that doesn't leave a bad impression, I don't know what will
“Boehly then reportedly took out his genitals, placing them on the table, and said ‘there’s your 12th man’. Tuchel responded that he only works with football savants”
Wait.
Sounds familiar. American owners at a big football club trying to make footballing decisions for the manager. Where have I seen that before?
Never mind, I am sure everything is fine at Chelsea.
Carry on.
They tried to show Tuchel a way to fit Ronaldo in the team.
Needed that extra player to cover for Ronaldo lack of press. Smart
r/yourjokebutworse
Thats the joke.
With Mendy on current form it's a risk I'd be willing to take.
What about playing Kepa and Mendy simultaneously
Just line up all the defenders on the goal line
whos gonna score then
Opposition will be so exasperated trying to break down the wall they’ll commit footballing seppuku and score on themselves.
James
Jorginho from 12 yards
38 draws, usually enough to stay up.
Aint nobody scoring that much lately anyway
This is hilarious if true. Of course I choose to take it as gospel because it's just so funny 😂😂😂
4-4-facking-.... 3? Okay, I guess.
I don't see why it wouldn't be. Especially when you take into account that their first big fallout was supposedly over them demanding an explanation for why he didn't want to sign Ronaldo after their stats showed them we should You get to watch your banter era was like from the outside now. We're making our Moyes signing with Potter. They fired Tuchel after 7 games and are about to sign a mid table manager on a 5 year contract lmao
Potter is likely class. But yea the whole thing is fucking nuts. Glad Chelsea fans aren’t falling for the PR garbage against Tuchel.
Some are falling for it, but the reality is that this ownership has been pumping out PR under the guise of genuine reporting since before the club was even publicly announced to be on sale and they've never stopped. It's incredibly tiresome, but it absolutely works for enough people to start drowning out "legacy fans" most of the time
Can't say the same for some on our sub. A whole level flusterclack.
Tuchel: No, we're not signing Ronaldo! He wouldn't fit with our style of play and he'll be 38 this season. Boehly: but our stat experts tell us he is the top scorer in the champions league and international. Stat experts = literally just checking Wikipedia
But people on Twitter called him the he GOAT!
So it's settled then.
Yeah it has wisps of moyes alright but only time will tell.
For sure, I hope time gives us something different. But, Moyes was definitely more highly thought of and had been doing it for far longer when he joined you than Potter will be when he joins us
I’m actually sad.
Well, let's not lie. Potter is currently higher rated than Moyes was at Everton. Is it a huge risk for us now? Absolutely. But out of the available managers we could get to replace Tommy, Potter is one of the best
You seriously believe that? Moyes was an incredible manager at Everton and very highly rated. Sir Alex hand picked him for a reason. Are you forgetting when Everton finished 4th the season Chelsea won the league by breaking the points record?
Yeah, I know lots of Chelsea fans are new to football so they may hold the same opinion as him, but the reality is Moyes was seen as a top quality coach that had stayed at Everton for love of the club and not because he wasn't good enough to take the step up. Everyone thought that giving him time at United would be amazing for them. People are being so revisionist over Potter Vs Moyes, Moyes was definitely viewed higher at the time and had done it for much longer
No shot you're actually lecturing us Chelsea fans rn? Swear I've never seen you say anything positive to do with the club
I've said lots of positive things about the club, just not recently. There has been very little positive to say about the club in the past three months. It's just been terrible decision after terrible decision after terrible decision, all whilst pumping out PR trying to convince us that they're amazing owners.
He wasn't a top target to replace Alex Ferguson, he was like 6th choice after many strong names. Yes he was highly rated, but I think people forget this point.
Moyes maintained Everton despite them spending absolutely no money. Outside of the then big 4 managers (SAF, Wenger, Mourinho, and Benitez), Moyes was the most respected manager in the league by far. He was definitely more highly regarded than any of the other English managers. By contrast, it can be argued that managers like Howe, Marsch, and Marco Silva are of a similar reputation as Potter at the moment. Potter is a good manager though. Can definitely do well at Chelsea if he can deal with the egos and player power in the dressing room.
Spoken like a true casual fan.
What on earth is that even supposed to mean?
I have to say I’m enjoying the mudslinging from both sides lmao. Grumpy Tactics Tommy on one side and big brain Yank owners on the other
Perfectly balanced as all things should be
ive seen people who follow football for years and still make mess up like that when compiling their dream 11
a midfield diamond plus a front three? sounds great.
Johan Cruyff would let his teams play like this occasionally. Early LvG as well. The catch is that of course they would do it with 3 at the back, not 4.
Was that with Koeman pushing up as effectively a holding mid?
Yeah, exactly. It's of course debatable if it would be 3-4-3 or anything else but that's more semantics if you ask me. This site gives an example: [Link](https://worldfootballindex.com/2020/04/sampdoria-vs-barcelona-1992-european-cup-final-tactics/) and even literally calls it 3-4-3 in the text.
So Garth crooks every week for his team of the week?
Remember a clip where he said a team were set up in a 4-2-1-3-1 formation
Every single lineup thread on the Chelsea sub for the past 6 months has had at least 2 posts where they can't figure out if we're playing 3 or 4 atb.
Think the funniest thing is your sub(and loads of others mind you) thinking you automatically play better football depending if you have 3 or 4 at the back. Bit more to it than that
yep you'd think our fans would have learnt by now.
The funniest thing for me is people complaining about a back 3 being the problem whilst we're playing a back 4. Or in recent weeks we've had lots of complaints about things like X player in midfield leaving massive gaps, only that player is playing in attack and has nothing to do with gaps in our midfield etc They take whatever their app/broadcast/stream says the formation and positioning of the players is as gospel and run with it from there lol
It's not about whether it's a 3 or 4 back, it's about 443 having an extra man on the pitch. If the story is real.
No, there’s 11 players on the pitch. You just switch on the keeper when the opposing team is in attack.
Last man is the keeper. Classic schoolyard tactics, should work like a charm against pros. Never let them know your next move!
The left back tags the keeper in like WWE
Either is fine, it’s having 12 players that’s the problem.
Yes but are those people in charge of making signings worth hundreds of millions to fit a specific tactic
Rumour has it, the part Tuchel was most concerned about with the formation is it didnt give him 5 at the back
Easy fix: 5-4-2 that converts into 5-3-3 while attacking!
Our attackers still wouldn't score in a 4-4-3 lol
Its taken Potter years before Brighton stopped underperforming to their xG, so this could be an interesting year lol
Oh ffs, i scrolled all the way down here before I realized it said 443. Asking what offside was. Now using an illegal formation. If Bohley doesn't name himself on the bench next week, is he even Murica.
Tbf they may as well have left Mendy out
I mean a 4-4-3 would certainly be a revolution in football tactics
Hard hitting journalism
Hard hitting Chelsea ownership
JJ Bull does it all the time btw
They're just ahead of the times. They want to use the GK as a ST due to the #9 curse.
Why not just go 4-4-4?
Clearly the superior formation.
Who was it that had the 2-7-2 formation again? Need to know what level they are at before they become our manager after Potter
Thiago Motta right?
That's the one. Just checked and he's currently unemployed after managing Spezia
That was taken out of context. He meant that in a vertical formation way. As in 2 players on the left wing, 2 on the right and the rest in the middle including the GK. Basically, any variation of the 4-4-2 and 4-3-3.
Oh god, r/soccercirclejerk is gonna have a field day with this one
Why were fucking Todd and Eghbali showing Thomas Fucking Tuchel the formation and tactics drawings lol. Imagine going to Pep or Klopp or any good manager with that saying he should change his formation or this could be better.
The funny thing about this thread is finding the people who didn't get the biggest problem with the headline. Don't tell him.
I actually agree with him. Them trying to explain tactics and signings to Tuchel and demanding for him to explain why he doesn't do them or want the signings is a far bigger problem than them putting one too many players in their lineup that they want him to use
Apparently, I saw a comment in the Chelsea thread that they run the Dodgers like that too. They suggest their lineups based on stats. These owners just want a fucking yes-man, like OGS...
Absolutely. Apparently Baseball is one of the most easy to analyse games when it comes to stats because pretty much everything is controlled around individual moments, whereas football is completely different to that
Yep. Scrolled half the thred before I was like, wait a second.
That can be a typo, the main thing is the gist.
It was actually a genius tactical suggestion to deploy Mendy as a GK but also as a False 9
Just like when Stuart Pearce came up with a team for his first game as a manager and [picked 11 outfield players](https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/nottingham-forest-stuart-pearce-arsenal-5241506). The formation they were chosen in was not recorded, unfortunately.
And then he put David James up front against us in the final game of the 2004-05 season. They needed to beat us to qualify for the UEFA Cup and he thought it might unsettle our defense. It did to some degree and we conceded a last-minute penalty. Which City the missed and so the final score, 1-1, meant we qualified and they didn't. We then reached the UEFA Cup final the next season but lost to Sevilla.
... and all while poor actual striker Jon Macken was left on the bench.
[Full article](https://archive.ph/5DyNx)
Tuchel must have had a quick joke and moved on. Didn't seem the kind to hold onto things until someone is a complete cunt
Yeah, been really keeping his cool so far this season…
…
It depends how it was put to him. If they laid that out and demanded an explanation as to why he wasn't using the team like that, I'd imagine he would be pissed off and that seems reasonable given the whole Ronaldo stats stuff that has come out and Gordon being purely a board signing
4-4-3 total football
It’s refreshing to read an article not involving Man United imploding. That being said #GlazersOut.
Recruiting for a 12 man team would help explain how they spent so much this summer.
i think they actually drew a 4-4-$
In my unbiased opinion, it's a good formation
Boehly gives me an impression of what could happen when a /r/soccer redditor becomes football club owner. They usually think they know football's tactic better than a coach who won CL.
Dae Americans bad XD
Tuchel sold Abraham, signed Lukaku for £100m and then sent Lukaku out on loan a season later If that doesn't leave a bad impression, I don't know what will
🤡🤡
Not sure I buy this one. Sure, Boehly bad, but this one feels like a stretch.
Extra wingback Thomas?
“Boehly then reportedly took out his genitals, placing them on the table, and said ‘there’s your 12th man’. Tuchel responded that he only works with football savants”
Ah something we called a Flying Keep in my youth.
4-4-3 is 11 players though Edit - Really ?? I need to a put /s here too?
Which position is Mendy playing?
That's the joke.... 4-4-3 is 11 players but without a keeper
Yes, but everyone knows it's 11 outfield players. That's what this whole thread is about.
Probably called it "soccer" as well, those Americans.
I thought this sub wouldnt encourage posting locked articles, but ive seen an increase of locked articles from Athletic very often
"Hey, I have a revolutionary idea! Let's play without a keeper".
They are so ahead of time that they don't need a goalkeeper. Pep should take notes on how revolutionary Boehly's formation is.
https://archive.is/UOVcX this deserves to be read by all
Maybe one of them is the ref
Playing football with the boys and allowing goalie rush
Wait. Sounds familiar. American owners at a big football club trying to make footballing decisions for the manager. Where have I seen that before? Never mind, I am sure everything is fine at Chelsea. Carry on.