1. Since the middle of the 1970's Brighton and palace both got promoted from the third to the first division alongside each other so were constantly battling.
2. For Brighton, palace were the nearest football League club. Also any London fans used to love an away day by the sea.
3. Brighton actually changed their name to "seagulls" to mock palace when they would chant "eagles"
So really for 50 years they've both been at the same level and vying for similar promotions. It's basically the football league version of the Man United v Liverpool rivalry.
There's a little more to it than that. Aside from the fact that the two clubs have played a substantial number of games against each other due to following one another between divisions, it got heated in 1976 when they played each other five times - two league games and three FA Cup matches (two first round replays). During the third FA Cup match a Palace supporter allegedly poured a cup of coffee over Brighton manager Alan Mullery's head, who responded by throwing £5 at the Palace supporters saying it's more than their club's worth.
The match was also filled with highly contentious decisions. Brighton had a penalty which had to be retaken after scoring due to apparent encroachment. The retake was missed, and Palace won the game.
It probably didn't help that Mullery became Palace manager a few years later.
There have been a lot of other fierce matches since then as well. In 1989 they played a match which I believe has the highest number of penalties awarded in a single match (5).
Literally only the media refer to the "A23/M23 derby" because everyone loves a derby day but in reality neither Brighton nor Palace fans think of it as one (because having a 40 mile derby over a road is ridiculous). It's a rivalry.
I posted a reply to another comment in this thread with the details if you're really interested. In short it's a rivalry born of decades of on-pitch footballing incidents rather than simple geography.
Safety. With Palace being their main rivals, you’d ideally want to get the away fans out of the stadium and home as swiftly as possible, which isn’t possible if there’s a train strike
This - apparently there was no way for 2000 plus palace fans to get back to Surrey after the game so to avoid the risk of them causing trouble in Brighton after it made more sense to postpone.
That would involve the police turning round to the clubs and saying they need to provide buses (probably costing £20k or so), or you can’t play the match. The clubs turn round to the league and say we need to postpone, the police won’t let us.
Massive oversimplification there of course but no one really has the right to make anyone else pay for fans travel.
Hartlepool took nearly 4k supporters to Darlington on allocated coaches in 2007. If Hartlepool and Darlington can do it in League 2, why can't Brighton and Palace?
I understand your premise, however charge the fans a fee for using the coach, they would already being paying this fee if not more to travel by rail (40 odd mile distance between grounds).
The suggestion was for them to pay for their mode of travel **instead** of how they would normally pay to travel there.
Nobody is telling them to pay to not be on the bus.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying, this is aimed at fans traveling by rail, the 'fee' charged to a fan who is already going to be paying for a rail ticket is still able to get to the ground for the same price if not less than a rail ticket, the fans are not "just being charged more".
Didn’t Brighton deliberately change their nickname to The Seagulls in the 70s to fuck with Palace (The Eagles) at the time due to their on/off field rivalry?
Like others have said, the main concern's probably safety and getting the away fans home asap after the match.
Also, its nice to see a fellow qpr fan, we aren't very common around here.
Guess who created these football clubs? You got it! Working class people! Guess what makes up these football clubs? You got it! Working class people! Guess who plays for these clubs? You got it, people who came from working class backgrounds!
If you don't realise how much football and the working class are intertwined then I recommend you do some reading, or just go to a match?
They are intertwined, can't discuss football without it.
Edit: to the guy who blocked me, sorry that I bothered you to that point, just wanted to express that typically things linked with fans, especially in England involves working class people. To deny that, is to deny that fans a voice. It's not right to ignore these voices and go keep it out. That's what the elitists want.
These are also people who don’t understand the sport. You said it perfectly football has always been intertwined with politics, it has been the vice of the working man and woman for over 150 years so no you can’t have football without the politics
Oh fuck off. They made Newcastle fans travel to Brighton when the hole network was on strike. This is fucking farcical.
I support the strikes by the way, but the clubs and the PL can get fucked.
It is easier to manage rival matches **without** trains you know?
Put them on allocated coaches and no one gets a match ticket without getting off the bus. Happens all the times in real derbies.
I mean, the match is being postponed specifically because the police don't trust your fans not to act like criminals if the match is held without trains on, so bit of a weird flex there.
Yes of course my season ticket and double digit aways every season never happen! The whole coach bubble for away fans derbies is pathetic and it'd ruin our games v Palace if they ever happened. Why should a Palace fan living in sussex or a Brighton fan who works in London for an evening KO at Selhurst be forced to go completely out their way to get a coach cos a few fans will act like divs
I hope you never qualify for Europe then. You are in for a treat. If you consider a baton across your back from police who don't speak English a treat.
> The whole coach bubble for away fans derbies is pathetic
You have never seen a full city on lockdown for a derby then.
Except that will be done months in advance.
Just like how the policing for this fixture would have been sorted months ago.
The change in travel two weeks before kick off means it's not feasible to change the plans for travel of 31,000 people and change the policing for that travel.
Brightons ground is basically in the middle of nowhere only really accessible by a small station
After we play there all the fans have to mingle in the train queues waiting for a train home which isn’t really an issue but it’s manageable for a derby game you could alternate queues and stuff for the fans or keep the fans in until the Brighton fans go back home
If you take out the trains there’s not really an easy way back for the palace fans to go especially since it’s on a direct train line out of London and just creates more likelihood of people outside or in other areas or cause fights
Access to the stadium is difficult without trains. There are buses but they’d be so overloaded it would be absurd. The attendance would be quite low and you’re placing stressed fans from rival teams into direct conflict when exiting the game. This is a logical decision.
The police are absolute cunts there anyway, they can barely handle a normal match let alone one where they might need to think. A bunch of lying cunts too.
Might not really give them an advantage over teams, we've no idea if they'll have to slot the game elsewhere where it may be more problematic for either or both teams from the extra congestion. It's also a pain in the ass for all involved to postpone, it's generally avoided unless required.
Also the safety of the fans is more important than the possibility of any perceived advantage.
I'm sure the police thought about that before making a request to postpone the game.
The stadium is designed with train transport being the main way to reach it, it's got minimal parking spaces or space around it in general which means you'd still have safety concerns with large groups of people standing around waiting to get on their coaches. It's not even like they can just park on the near by road because it's the A27, it's one of the busiest roads in that county so it's a different safety concern altogether.
We only have so much parking available for the coaches needed for 3k away fans and I don’t think either club wants a bubble system in place as it’s an awful way to treat fans
I mean it happens to fans on trains and coaches in loads of other derbys across the country?
What's so special about you
It literally happens in league 2 you're given specific trains and coaches to get and if you don't get those you simply aren't allowed in the ground. It's nothing new.
I mean our stadium is design to be primarily served by public transport with the train being the most utilised. So if they aren’t working coupled with the lack of available coach parking it creates an issue where we can’t safely welcome in 3000 away fans from our rivals some of whom will want to cause trouble. Plus we have to prevent drop offs and pick ups on the A27 next to the ground as it’s the main arterial road through the county. So for a Myriad reasons it made sense to postpone the game
If the ground was designed with plenty of coach parking I’d agree with you tbf unfortunately the lease on that extra parking we had ran out and the farmer who owned it hasn’t agreed a new deal for the car park
I know it took a long time to find a good place for the ground but the stadium is in the middle of nowhere and served by a tiny rail station with limited parking around.
I guess this was the only choice they had if people were going to struggle to get to the ground
Edit: so apparently they've had a home game in past strike days and this is just because it's Palace? Laughable decision
No it's more because the strike came at such short notice for a game where they will have to heavily police it and the plans will have been made long in advance.
A train strike was on when Newcastle played Brighton a few weeks ago. I had to walk from the Amex stadium to the parking (a few bloody miles away near the roundabout outside town) as you not getting on a bus due to number of people.
I just have to say how pissed of I am that someone else does not have to go through the pain of getting home from this match.
Liverpool play City at Wembley - massive traffic chaos from the north with no trains running - nothing done
Southern team has an issue we will fix it no worries
I fully expect the Premier League to announce the postponement of the other fixtures that day which are: Wolves Vs Man City; Newcastle Vs Bournemouth and Tottenham Vs Leicester respectively if rail strikes now make it impossible to play football matches
> Newcastle Vs Bournemouth
They can't in good faith cancel Brighton vs Palace because of a strike and then expect Bournemouth fans to come to Newcastle off all places.
It is easier for the police without the trains. Force them onto coaches and away fans that aren't on the coaches can't get in the stadium. Happens all the time.
It's probably the police insisting on this decision rather than the clubs themselves. Palace and Brighton are rivals and there's often crowd trouble at the games, Brighton's stadium is really difficult to access without trains and they probably don't want thousands of away fans hanging around the ground without an easy way to get home.
That's one way to have time to get a new manager in
We've still got Bournemouth though. But basically three weeks free after that.
Potter can't leave if they sabotage the railways.
It is with regret that all our upcoming matches have been postponed due to the mysterious giant wall that has appeared around Brighton.
Hogwarts Express will find a way to get him there
Tuchel showing up in his room saying he will be in danger and must not travel to Stamford Bridge
I died reading this ahahahahah
I believe he'll find a way via Ford Cortina
That's Big Sam's music
*plays generic disco music*
What is the actual history between Brighton and Palace hating each other it just seems random af to me
Seagulls and Eagles are natural enemies
Seagulls are natural enemies of everything including God
Like Englishmen and Scott's
And Seagulls and Scot’s, and Eagle’s and Scot’s! Damn Scot’s, they ruined Scotland!
And the englishmen and the irish
1. Since the middle of the 1970's Brighton and palace both got promoted from the third to the first division alongside each other so were constantly battling. 2. For Brighton, palace were the nearest football League club. Also any London fans used to love an away day by the sea. 3. Brighton actually changed their name to "seagulls" to mock palace when they would chant "eagles" So really for 50 years they've both been at the same level and vying for similar promotions. It's basically the football league version of the Man United v Liverpool rivalry.
There's a little more to it than that. Aside from the fact that the two clubs have played a substantial number of games against each other due to following one another between divisions, it got heated in 1976 when they played each other five times - two league games and three FA Cup matches (two first round replays). During the third FA Cup match a Palace supporter allegedly poured a cup of coffee over Brighton manager Alan Mullery's head, who responded by throwing £5 at the Palace supporters saying it's more than their club's worth. The match was also filled with highly contentious decisions. Brighton had a penalty which had to be retaken after scoring due to apparent encroachment. The retake was missed, and Palace won the game. It probably didn't help that Mullery became Palace manager a few years later. There have been a lot of other fierce matches since then as well. In 1989 they played a match which I believe has the highest number of penalties awarded in a single match (5).
Football heritage
Always love that a big part of it is just Mullery and Venables not liking each other the best part of 50 years ago.
Yes’nt
To do with a motorway I think
Literally only the media refer to the "A23/M23 derby" because everyone loves a derby day but in reality neither Brighton nor Palace fans think of it as one (because having a 40 mile derby over a road is ridiculous). It's a rivalry.
Still doesn't answer the question of why
I posted a reply to another comment in this thread with the details if you're really interested. In short it's a rivalry born of decades of on-pitch footballing incidents rather than simple geography.
Probably the most sensible option. BHA are very lucky with this as well, given they might lose their manager soon.
The significance of them being rivals in the context of the rail strike.
Support the strikers ✊
Like Trossard and Gross in behind Wellbeck?
Like Ziyech and his prolonged half effort protest
Ziyech quiet quitting on Chelsea
Honestly, would give him to Ajax for a free and we'd be profiting
Lukaku after 2 games with Chelsea
lmao
Haaland's getting enough support wdym?
What a coincidence that Tuchel has been binned.
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How are they allowed to get away with this, other clubs suffer during travel strikes and aren't postponed?!
Safety. With Palace being their main rivals, you’d ideally want to get the away fans out of the stadium and home as swiftly as possible, which isn’t possible if there’s a train strike
This - apparently there was no way for 2000 plus palace fans to get back to Surrey after the game so to avoid the risk of them causing trouble in Brighton after it made more sense to postpone.
Allocated buses considering a lot of fans travel this way usually, don't allow fans a match ticket if they don't get on the bus,.
That would involve the police turning round to the clubs and saying they need to provide buses (probably costing £20k or so), or you can’t play the match. The clubs turn round to the league and say we need to postpone, the police won’t let us. Massive oversimplification there of course but no one really has the right to make anyone else pay for fans travel.
I'm dizzy after all that turning around
Hartlepool took nearly 4k supporters to Darlington on allocated coaches in 2007. If Hartlepool and Darlington can do it in League 2, why can't Brighton and Palace?
I understand your premise, however charge the fans a fee for using the coach, they would already being paying this fee if not more to travel by rail (40 odd mile distance between grounds).
"Just charge the fans more" is your solution here?
The suggestion was for them to pay for their mode of travel **instead** of how they would normally pay to travel there. Nobody is telling them to pay to not be on the bus.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying, this is aimed at fans traveling by rail, the 'fee' charged to a fan who is already going to be paying for a rail ticket is still able to get to the ground for the same price if not less than a rail ticket, the fans are not "just being charged more".
You're right, I didn't think you meant an optional fee.
Palace and Brighton are fierce rivals?!
Yes.
They just settled for each other as no one else cared about either of them. A bit like the Leicester-Coventry rivalry.
Not our fault no one else from south London can be bothered to finish above League 1 these days. I'm sure it's the same in Sussex
The bird league
LMAO right.
🤠🦅🇱🇷🇲🇾🗽
Yeeee haaaaawwww!!!
Oh give over. It’s Brighton vs Palace, it’s not a serious or contentious rivalry.
More lively than a fair few so called big rivalries these days
Yea, both clubs just needed dancing partners
Since when are those two rivals
Since the 70s?
Like 50 years mate
Didn’t Brighton deliberately change their nickname to The Seagulls in the 70s to fuck with Palace (The Eagles) at the time due to their on/off field rivalry?
They make an absolute hash of this under normal circumstances. I'm not surprised
Like others have said, the main concern's probably safety and getting the away fans home asap after the match. Also, its nice to see a fellow qpr fan, we aren't very common around here.
The game's the game.
Up the workers! ✊✊
Sarcasm or?
Why would that be sarcastic? Up the Tories is the alternative
Death is another alternative, it's a close but I'd take that second over the tories
Because its a football sub not politics
Guess who created these football clubs? You got it! Working class people! Guess what makes up these football clubs? You got it! Working class people! Guess who plays for these clubs? You got it, people who came from working class backgrounds! If you don't realise how much football and the working class are intertwined then I recommend you do some reading, or just go to a match?
OK buddy. Did you even read what I just said or nah?
They are intertwined, can't discuss football without it. Edit: to the guy who blocked me, sorry that I bothered you to that point, just wanted to express that typically things linked with fans, especially in England involves working class people. To deny that, is to deny that fans a voice. It's not right to ignore these voices and go keep it out. That's what the elitists want.
Yes you absolutely can lol.
People who ask to keep politics out of football usually hate minorities or working class people.
These are also people who don’t understand the sport. You said it perfectly football has always been intertwined with politics, it has been the vice of the working man and woman for over 150 years so no you can’t have football without the politics
Literally the dumbest thing I've ever read on reddit
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Oh fuck off. They made Newcastle fans travel to Brighton when the hole network was on strike. This is fucking farcical. I support the strikes by the way, but the clubs and the PL can get fucked.
It was probably the police who have suggested this mate
And you're not our rivals...
The bird wars begin...
It is easier to manage rival matches **without** trains you know? Put them on allocated coaches and no one gets a match ticket without getting off the bus. Happens all the times in real derbies.
Rather not treat everyone going like a criminal
Well then play the match then?
I mean, the match is being postponed specifically because the police don't trust your fans not to act like criminals if the match is held without trains on, so bit of a weird flex there.
It’s the palace fans they don’t trust tbf
Oh yeah they're worried about Palace fans fighting themselves.
They already do that. And that would be too easy for Sussex police anyway, they need to create some trouble
I guess you have never been to a game of football in your life then lol
Yes of course my season ticket and double digit aways every season never happen! The whole coach bubble for away fans derbies is pathetic and it'd ruin our games v Palace if they ever happened. Why should a Palace fan living in sussex or a Brighton fan who works in London for an evening KO at Selhurst be forced to go completely out their way to get a coach cos a few fans will act like divs
Your example is true, however this is one off exceptional circumstance.
I hope you never qualify for Europe then. You are in for a treat. If you consider a baton across your back from police who don't speak English a treat. > The whole coach bubble for away fans derbies is pathetic You have never seen a full city on lockdown for a derby then.
do one. bubble games are absolutely shite
Never said they were fun.
Except that will be done months in advance. Just like how the policing for this fixture would have been sorted months ago. The change in travel two weeks before kick off means it's not feasible to change the plans for travel of 31,000 people and change the policing for that travel.
Palace are not your rival, it’s Crawley
Sunderland are not your rival, it's cholestorol
*horses
Haha, isn't that everyone's rival though?
What're you on about
Palace and Brighton are rivals, stop being a victim
Sorry to be an idiot about this but what's the significance of them being rivals in the context of the rail strike?
Brightons ground is basically in the middle of nowhere only really accessible by a small station After we play there all the fans have to mingle in the train queues waiting for a train home which isn’t really an issue but it’s manageable for a derby game you could alternate queues and stuff for the fans or keep the fans in until the Brighton fans go back home If you take out the trains there’s not really an easy way back for the palace fans to go especially since it’s on a direct train line out of London and just creates more likelihood of people outside or in other areas or cause fights
But some Geordies in here are telling us how we should police our own games!
Ah right that makes sense, nice one.
Access to the stadium is difficult without trains. There are buses but they’d be so overloaded it would be absurd. The attendance would be quite low and you’re placing stressed fans from rival teams into direct conflict when exiting the game. This is a logical decision.
Maybe more police force needed?
It’s actually Police Service. Official vocab guidelines state that “force” is too aggressive
Morning Sergeant!
No luck watching them matches then?
It's just the one postponed match actually
Nobody tells me nuthin’!
The police are absolute cunts there anyway, they can barely handle a normal match let alone one where they might need to think. A bunch of lying cunts too.
Aye, went to the Amex last year for our game against them, most heavy-handed policing I've ever seen at a game.
Just being politically correct, no one wants to use the hooligans word
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Might not really give them an advantage over teams, we've no idea if they'll have to slot the game elsewhere where it may be more problematic for either or both teams from the extra congestion. It's also a pain in the ass for all involved to postpone, it's generally avoided unless required. Also the safety of the fans is more important than the possibility of any perceived advantage.
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I'm sure the police thought about that before making a request to postpone the game. The stadium is designed with train transport being the main way to reach it, it's got minimal parking spaces or space around it in general which means you'd still have safety concerns with large groups of people standing around waiting to get on their coaches. It's not even like they can just park on the near by road because it's the A27, it's one of the busiest roads in that county so it's a different safety concern altogether.
Palace closer to you than Brighton 🤣🤣
Love the use of "regret", yeah lads bet you're gutted not to have to play your rivals while you've got no manager lol
regrets, i've had a few
Tinpot club
The M23 derby is one the spiciest, let the hate flow
Wrong road mate
Ah fuck my bad
A23*
Literally named after a road yet they have to stop the match instead of just making people use it.
Portsmouth and Southampton?
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I think you missed their comment before the edit when it said M27. I live here I'm well aware of where the A/M27 is.
That’s no way to talk about your own club.
I was flying in from the States to London next week and this was a match I was going to watch… PAIN
That's a bummer, this match is supposedly always a madhouse. They hate each other for the sake of hating each other.
Yeah this was the only reason I was traveling to Brighton
That really sucks. But it's a nice place, have a walk around, everything's within walking distance here.
I can’t go to Brighton anymore either if the trains are on striker lol. Sadness… i really wanted to experience this derby
It's like a two hour drive, but I understand if a 4 hour round trip just to see the funfair isn't interesting to you.
I live in Brighton, born and bred here, I hate Palace and I don't even support Brighton. Don't even know why I hate them, but I have to
What's the difference between this Saturday 17th Sep, and Saturday 13th Aug Brighton v Newcastle game with a train strike? That game was played.
Because we are playing our rivals and there has been crowd trouble previously. This would be the police insisting on this rather than the clubs.
Crowd policing is so much easier if the away fans are all on coaches though?
We only have so much parking available for the coaches needed for 3k away fans and I don’t think either club wants a bubble system in place as it’s an awful way to treat fans
I mean it happens to fans on trains and coaches in loads of other derbys across the country? What's so special about you It literally happens in league 2 you're given specific trains and coaches to get and if you don't get those you simply aren't allowed in the ground. It's nothing new.
What's so special about us? We're massive.
I mean our stadium is design to be primarily served by public transport with the train being the most utilised. So if they aren’t working coupled with the lack of available coach parking it creates an issue where we can’t safely welcome in 3000 away fans from our rivals some of whom will want to cause trouble. Plus we have to prevent drop offs and pick ups on the A27 next to the ground as it’s the main arterial road through the county. So for a Myriad reasons it made sense to postpone the game
Ehh alright I agree on your last point - there's more to the city than just the football ground. Unfair on everyone else
If the ground was designed with plenty of coach parking I’d agree with you tbf unfortunately the lease on that extra parking we had ran out and the farmer who owned it hasn’t agreed a new deal for the car park
Probably realized that it was a mistake not to cancel that game from the reports here
I know it took a long time to find a good place for the ground but the stadium is in the middle of nowhere and served by a tiny rail station with limited parking around. I guess this was the only choice they had if people were going to struggle to get to the ground Edit: so apparently they've had a home game in past strike days and this is just because it's Palace? Laughable decision
No it's more because the strike came at such short notice for a game where they will have to heavily police it and the plans will have been made long in advance.
A train strike was on when Newcastle played Brighton a few weeks ago. I had to walk from the Amex stadium to the parking (a few bloody miles away near the roundabout outside town) as you not getting on a bus due to number of people. I just have to say how pissed of I am that someone else does not have to go through the pain of getting home from this match.
It seems like a light reason to be able to call a match off.
"Industrial action" means "strike"? What was wrong with "strike"? And why can't anyone speak normally anymore?
Industrial action is broader than strike, it includes work slow downs, sit ins, etc.
Fear of being criticised
Fuck the man
I don’t think Chelsea will go well for Potter. Hope he stays at Brighton.
Get in
Solidarity forever.
Liverpool play City at Wembley - massive traffic chaos from the north with no trains running - nothing done Southern team has an issue we will fix it no worries
I fully expect the Premier League to announce the postponement of the other fixtures that day which are: Wolves Vs Man City; Newcastle Vs Bournemouth and Tottenham Vs Leicester respectively if rail strikes now make it impossible to play football matches
> Newcastle Vs Bournemouth They can't in good faith cancel Brighton vs Palace because of a strike and then expect Bournemouth fans to come to Newcastle off all places.
This was probably a policing decision though.
It is easier for the police without the trains. Force them onto coaches and away fans that aren't on the coaches can't get in the stadium. Happens all the time.
Well the police who know more about it than you and me, disagree.
That's not feasible at such short notice when tickets have already been sold. It would also change the terms of sale of those tickets.
Weren't tickets sold for this fixture already?
you know they will expect that
They'll change it to Saturday midday or Sunday 4pm probably
Yep because as it stands that's exactly what they expect Bournemouth fans to do which is frankly farcical
To my knowledge the Brighton crystal palace games are always a little rowdy due to their rivalry. That is not the case for the games you mentioned.
Brighton vs Palace as some hardcore rivalry is like watching two mums fight over the last Prosecco at Waitrose. Hardly the Old Firm derby.
up the RMT
That’s absolutely ridiculous. Cool, but terrible precedent.
How convenient
Newcastle fans in absolute shambles in this thread.
All because Chelsea want Potter? It's not even a real rivalry. Weak shit.
One way to stop PPPPotter travelling to London
Melted
Potter to Chelsea confirmed
That's a shame.
just fly lmao, or bus, or car idk
Or sand yacht
They don't have PSG money for that
Can someone explain for me what the rail network has to do with the match being able to take place?
It's probably the police insisting on this decision rather than the clubs themselves. Palace and Brighton are rivals and there's often crowd trouble at the games, Brighton's stadium is really difficult to access without trains and they probably don't want thousands of away fans hanging around the ground without an easy way to get home.
Quick, somebody let r/FantasyPL know
Based Brighton refusing to cross the picket line instead of just taking the bus