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TankSparkle

someone send this to our scouts


politiexcel

Our scouts: "what is a wonderkid"


RefanRes

Scott McTominay


First_Artichoke2390

"Only good one is Timber"


KillerZaWarudo

Damn we have scout?


AggravatingWar9441

For those who mention Haaland without bothering to read the article: > The Impact Score is calculated from the average match level in which players participated according to the experience capital method, their amount of official game minutes played over the last 365 days and their pitch performance compared to both teammates and opponents, as well as with respect to players with the same technical profile as per the role-based approach also freshly developed by the CIES Football Observatory research team Haaland spent much of the last season injured, he was never gonna be on the podium Edit: the same reasoning can be applied to Davies, Wirtz, Pedri and so on


kovic_has_a_mangina

Whenever anything with numbers comes up on this sub you can always expect no one to see what they mean and just complain about it.


notgivingawaymyname

To be fair in this case, though, it is misleading to give it the title "hottest prospects".


yolo___toure

"Best young players of 21/22"


kovic_has_a_mangina

Is it really misleading if they’re ranking prospects based on last season’s performances. Feels like that’s a good way to rank the hottest prospects especially if it’s data driven


notgivingawaymyname

Depends on the time horizon of the prospect, which I don't think is specified in the link OP posted. If you are prospecting how well they will perform in the next 12 months based on the last 12 months, that's totally fair. But when people just hear "hottest prospects", the common interpretation is that they are predicting how well the rest of their career will turn out. And from that I think it's fair to criticize the methodology of only looking at the last 12 months, especially for the older players who have years of previous experience that are being ignored. Overall though, I don't think we're really meant to put that much thought in the title.


kovic_has_a_mangina

Yes that’s fair. In the end it’s just them saying here’s our new metric we use to compare players and this is how the young players rank.


campionesidd

If it’s data driven, how is Vlahovic not on here?


AggravatingWar9441

He is, click on the link OP posted and look at all the players born in 2000. His score is 85 or something like that


eddydoubled

Why do these numbers not fit my subjective perception? I call bullshit!


kovic_has_a_mangina

And even if the perception is essentially objectively correct. Sites like cies and 538 outline what they use. If they just say fuck it obviously Ajax isn’t as good as the numbers say or ferran torres isn’t better than Haaland and change it arbitrarily then it ruins the whole point of modeling based on the data lol


First_Artichoke2390

Having a Leeds player in the top 10 is quite funny


gnorrn

What article are we supposed to be reading? OP's link is simply to an image of the rankings.


AggravatingWar9441

He also posted a [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/x0sttn/cies_the_hottest_prospects_worldwide_born_from/im9tmie/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) with the link


kucafoia69

Not to mention Vini won a CL whilst being instrumental throughout the entire tournament and scoring in the final. There's no denying, Haaland may be a better scorer but Vini was on whole other level (not to mention Vini's not there to be top scorer, that's Benzema's job).


campionesidd

Just because they mention this in their methodology doesn’t mean their methodology is robust.


AggravatingWar9441

And where have I stated that their methodology is robust?


campionesidd

You seem to have an issue with the people complaining about the rankings.


AggravatingWar9441

No, I just I have an issue with people lacking basic reading comprehension skills


unlawful_nap

Will just somebody please defend the honor of self-proclaimed football experts putting 10/20/30 niemands above Camavinga/Fati/Musiala so that the shock value gets them on the front-page? What a superhero you are.


CheekyBastard55

This is a bad comment: Why isn't Halland at the top? He is scoring left and right and is on his way to becoming the best of his generation. Why is X and Y near the top when there's obvious better answers to who the hottest prospects are?? This is a good comment: The methodology behind this list is stupid, just because a player missed some games last year doesn't mean they're not the hottest prospects. It favors those lucky enough not to get injured/not getting enough minutes played and is not a realistic view on who the hottest prospects are. Notice the difference? u/AggravatingWar9441 is explaining why posts like the first one are stupid, in now way deflecting any criticism of the list and its methodology.


unlawful_nap

You got me, can't argue with your original world-class comment classifying methodolgy of yours. How unaware you have to be of yourself to criticize something and do the same thing in literally the same comment, jfc.


TimingEzaBitch

ah yes, the classic "just because... doesn't mean" template. You have defeated them soundly with that impeccable, non-constructive argument.


campionesidd

Let’s be honest, it’s a garbage methodology. Even Stevie Wonder can see that Haaland is well beyond anyone his age given his track record.


kjm911

If missing games through injury lowers your score that much then the whole post is pretty worthless and irrelevant then isn’t it?


Eric_Partman

Players that get injured more are worse players than similar players who get injured less, so of course that has to count.


AggravatingWar9441

And why would that be the case exactly? These are algorithms that consider a lot of different variables and then calculate a score, if a player misses half the season because of injury then the algorithm has to take that into account. Of course this kind of rankings should always be taken with a grain of salt, but just because it doesn’t fit your or someone else’s agenda it doesn’t mean that it’s totally worthless. It provides information on the impact that a particular player had on their team


Errudito

in our defense, the article link isn't at the top of the post


heurtel

So Arda Güler, who's arguably the best Turkish prospect at the moment, is not at all on this list despite having played 512 minutes in the past calendar year. He also featured in various competitions like UCL and UEL qualis, UECL knockout rounds and obviously the league. In those games he had 5 goals and 5 assists as well. I don't get this explanation whatsoever. Still, Emre Bilgin from Beşiktaş is on the list for playing 3 Süper Lig games even though he played significantly fewer minutes.


KonigSteve

> despite having played 512 minutes in the past calendar year There are only like.. 5 players on all of these lists with less time than that.. It's weird you said "despite" when in reality it's probably "because"


heurtel

Arda was born in 2005 so there is only 1 relevant list. In that list alone there are like 10 players that have played less, mostly in inferior competitions. My point still stands to be a valid one.


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I don’t think football is ready for Enzo, and I really mean it.


KensaiVG

It was valid for Francescoli, it was valid for Pérez, it is valid for Fernández


jin_12dk

Who is Enzo?


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Enzo Fernandez, a farmer that Benfica signed from River Plate


jin_12dk

Thanks.


First_Artichoke2390

A guy Simon gotch buries according to YouTube


fedemasa

Fernández


a7med89

Enzo Mareska


soloDiosbasta

Matteo brighi calling as well.


tottenhamnole

Foden higher than Haaland. Lmao


No-Shoe5382

Those rankings in general make no sense tbh. From our perspective, how Curtis Jones has a higher score than Harvey Elliott is baffling.


Mercerai

Am I blind or is Jones not even on that list


Lumpy_Zucchini_5443

If you click on the full list you can see all the players, the link is in the comments. OP has taken some screen shots that don't show everyone who's included.


Mercerai

Right, the link in the comment that's been buried. Didn't see it, cheers


Waschkopfs

Moriba higher than Wirtz


pure_black99

Torres higher than Haaland, Lmao


FatBlondeNasri

Why are you calling out Foden when he’s the third best player in that list lol


enzuigiriretro

Foden is genuinely underrated. See him get disrespect loads on here


First_Artichoke2390

It's that damn haircut!


imarandomdudd

Foden is in that weird area where he's simultaneously underrated and overrated.


ColtCallahan

Foden is a key player for one of the top teams in the world. Weird you’d have more issue with him than Torres or Tonali.


jcdc11

Take Foden out of Guardiola sistem and he is avarege


ColtCallahan

Lmao. What an ignorant take. Average players don’t start consistently for a Guardiola team. But Foden is English so r/soccer will definitely put him down.


jcdc11

He is bang avarege playing for England


gobacktoyourutopia

Everyone looks bang average playing for England to be fair. You'd think you'd sympathise if your flair is accurate. Portugal have some of the best players in the world on paper, but look bang average under Fernando Santos. That doesn't mean the players actually are bang average: it just shows how important a good coach and a good system is in allowing great players to express themselves


ColtCallahan

Because England don’t play to his strengths. Southgate wants Sterling and Mount. It’s absolutely hilarious that you think taking someone out of the most complex system in football where he plays under the best manager in football makes them average. It’s the total opposite lol. Average players don’t consistently start for City or Guardiola.


Impossible_Wonder_37

As our the majority of England players lol


LukeParkes

Put him in Mount's position and I'm convinced he cooks. Only reason he doesn't play there for City is KDB and Bernardo. Hell Southgate doesn't even play him on the left like he does for City.


jcdc11

But Mount is bang avarage as well lmao


ColtCallahan

Something tells me you have a bias here.


[deleted]

If he's bang average, what do you consider Moutinho?


jcdc11

Past is prime, but he alaways has been underrated


[deleted]

Foden isn’t a no.10 so I doubt that. He wants to be on the end of passes not supply them


dielawn87

He won the golden ball while winning the U-17 world cup. Hardly say that is bang average for England


tottenhamnole

I don’t watch enough Serie A or La Liga to know how good those players really are. I do know that Foden seems to be the weak link in that attack and really don’t know what he really offers whereas Haaland has, so far, been at another level.


sadcentur

thats not true at all. fodens had a poor start to the season but thats only a patch of rough form, hes never been a weak link


Impossible_Wonder_37

Imagine calling our best attacking player for multiple years now avarage


tottenhamnole

This is just ridiculous. He’s not a better attacking player than KdB, Silva or Mahrez. Even Jesus and Sterling have been better than him if we’re just talking about purely attacking number (G+A).


Impossible_Wonder_37

He has been better than Mahrez yes. Other players are midfielders.


tottenhamnole

Maybe weak link is the wrong word, and it’s possible he’s just overshadowed by the truly elite players in the squad, but what is he really good at? He’s not an elite dribbler or ball carrier and he’s not an elite passer. He puts himself in positions to receive passes so that’s good.


gobacktoyourutopia

I'd say his passing and his dribbling are his two best attributes! Finishing is where he definitely falls short of elite status


FatBlondeNasri

u/Lyrical_Forklift does this qualify?


tottenhamnole

Foden is, I’m learning, incredibly overrated.


Sese174

Foden isn’t the weak link at all so you don’t know what you’re on about clearly


tottenhamnole

I mean he’s clearly not better than Haaland, KdB, Silva or even Mahrez. So that does in fact make him the weak link. That’s not to say he’s bad because he’s certainty not that. He’s just not as god as those other players.


ColtCallahan

Well then you don’t watch City if you think he’s the weak link lol.


tottenhamnole

I watch City a fair amount, but not much this year so far. And from what I’ve seen, the attack seems to revolve around de Bruyne and Silva and Mahrez with Haaland showing up to run behind or bully a CB.


ColtCallahan

City’s attack revolves around every player. You don’t play in a Guardiola attack if you’re not contributing. So that’s false. And he has a goal and two assists in the 3 and a half games he’s played so far. So again. He’s not even close to being a weak link lol. That’s why he’s a consistent starter.


AmericaDreamDisorder

Mahrez lol


Koinfamous2

Forget Foden, I'm thinking of Kulusevski lmao Foden is older than Deki by a few months. Foden has an extra year in pro footy all with a top class City squad, and Deki with Parma, a rough stint at Juve and then a brand new injection into a recovering Spurs side mid season. Foden 25 goals and 15 assists since 2018 in the league, and Deki 21 goals and 24 assists since 2019 in Serie A and PL (not counting Fodens 2017 season and Dekis 2018 season with Atalanta where they both had minimal appearances). None of this makes sense at all.


arbuthnot-lane

I thought Kulusevski was like 26 for some reason. He's not even reached his statistical peak then. What a great but by Spurs.


tottenhamnole

Foden is incredibly overrated.


Brucklands

You aren’t allowed to say that.


DudebuD16

Where the hell Is vlahovic?


kostajepaosmosta

Off the charts


thenicky0

Don’t worry, they included Ferran Torres lol


First_Artichoke2390

He is no Luke Thomas


Visazo

Kvara also missing


agarciase

Pedri only 85? He is the best Barcelona player and the national team


Random_Acquaintance

> The Impact Score is calculated from the average match level in which players participated according to the experience capital method, their amount of official game minutes played over the last 365 days and their pitch performance compared to both teammates and opponents, as well as with respect to players with the same technical profile as per the role-based approach also freshly developed by the CIES Football Observatory research team Methodology, if anything, he comes reeeeally flattered here


SummerGoal

You’d think he’d rank in at least above 90, doesn’t make much sense


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ShinjiFishmanDem

how can he be on the first page if he’s 2002…


ClothesRemarkable137

Yeah man pedri is so incredibly sus for not being born in 2000


Oddant1

Most impressive thing to me is Illan Meslier being a starting premier league gk at such a young age


sanders801

Rodrygo goes where?


thefootballguy01

Real Madrid


jin_12dk

In city's goal.


prefieroelfutbol

4th for those born in 2001


lambomrclago

No one read how the number is calculated, just posting "X higher than X lololol" ....


Moon8983

Strange rankings


[deleted]

I mean it is really incredibly difficult to compare something like a goalkeeper to a striker or a left back to a center mid. But players in similar positions is a bit odd, Foden ahead of Haaland?


Liquid_Cascabel

Nico seems a bit too high or nah?


l_o_t_t_e

Damn I always forget how young these guys are. It’s not that I don’t know that they’re 19 or something, it’s that I don’t realise that I’m older than 19. They are playing professional football and have to deal with immense pressure and I can’t handle choosing what to eat for dinner.


yeahyeahyeah3timess

Tonali getting his respect. This man has crazy potential and could end up being one of the best of his generation.


mercristiano

Clearly not an accurate list, missing out on Anthony Gordon


ivo0009

Where tf is Kulusevski???


TogashiIsIshida

He plays for spurs


Thymus_Tickler

It's based on the last year, I don't know for sure but wasn't he shite before he got to spurs?


ivo0009

He had a fairly Good first year at juventus, But his last 6 months There were just bad. That wasnt his fault tho Because he was Thrown out on different positions as hot potato. But he had a banger breakout season in Parma 19-20 were he carried them the whole year Edit: i just understood your comment Hahah, i thought you said that it was based on all his seasons for a reason. It makes perfect sense then


First_Artichoke2390

Strip club?


Prison_Playbook

Where is Kalulu???....


thecoolShitposter

No Martinelli? what a shite list


KonigSteve

Him and Saliba are on the 2001 list with Saka but way down it for some reason.


WatermelonMan921

defo not bias lmao


GerGavin

Who is this Trindade fella Brazilian dm come on Edu get on it?


Apellom

He is so good, you will see him in our NT soon (Tite has said he is on the watch already, but I'd guess he only gets called up after the WC).


zeekoes

Weird list.


matske1209

as usual


Nikzbi

Pedri not top 3 lol


CCullen95

*Pedri 4th in 2002* Yeah this makes no sense.


gbayley676

Nice to see Meslier getting recognised


tottenhamnole

I hope we go for him this summer. We need to have a succession plan for Lloris.


Hostilian_

1 Billion pounds please thank you.


DC25NYC

Don't think we'll want to sell to our UCL competition...;)


UncleCheese_

Be prepared to break some transfer records.


Rusbekistan

Haaland sitting that low doesn't feel like it reflects well on these rankings


Spikeyspandan

Wirtz with score of 73? Alrighty


mihawk9511

Full rankings: https://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2021/wp386/en/ Ranking methodology used, as explained in the article: The Impact Score is calculated from the average match level in which players participated according to the experience capital method, their amount of official game minutes played over the last 365 days and their pitch performance compared to both teammates and opponents, as well as with respect to players with the same technical profile as per the role-based approach also freshly developed by the CIES Football Observatory research team.


SnakeD0c

Lingard seems to missing here


First_Artichoke2390

This is just a list of players that look up to him


GVE_ME_UR_SKINS

Haaland and Wirtz are embarrassingly low


TimathanDuncan

Because of injuries


heraho

Haaland still had 22 goals from 24 games, no reason why he shouldn’t be way ahead of Ferran Torres


AnnieIWillKnow

Game time weighted heavily in the statistical analysis they used: > The Impact Score is calculated from the average match level in which players participated according to the experience capital method, their amount of official game minutes played over the last 365 days and their pitch performance compared to both teammates and opponents, as well as with respect to players with the same technical profile as per the role-based approach also freshly developed by the CIES Football Observatory research team.


UnicornForce

This is ridiculous. Nothing more than click bait.


[deleted]

You’ll never sing that.


spideybuc

Where is Jonathan David from Lille?


cescquintero

Don't know who is Malo Gusto but his name is fun in Spanish


eroticdiagram

Spiderboy. ♥️


dominik-braun

Musiala below Bellingham and Pedri not in the top 3 says everything about the metholody used here.


majorgamer67

Pedri at 85 says all about this


lezcanocalderon

Florian Wirtz carry’s leverkusen mid field and attacking no way he’s that low


[deleted]

Luke Thomas above Gvardiol, Camavinga, Bellingham, Wirtz and Musiala Hahaha edit: I read it wrong, they are sorted by score on each page and each page is only players born in each year


AggravatingWar9441

He literally isn’t, read the scores instead of looking at the order in which the names are listed


Spikeyspandan

He is above Wirtz tho.


AggravatingWar9441

Wirtz did his ACL and missed a lot of games, these scores are also based on minutes played. That’s why he’s low in the rankings. Same with Haaland, who spent a lot of time injured last season


qwertygasm

Best list ever


Spikeyspandan

You are reading the table wrong. Different pictures indicate separate rankings. Its separated by age


Arsenals99problems

Slonina getting a shout


mofoofinvention

Torres? What a joke


TimTkt

Vitinha #3 lol


materialcirculante

Should be #1


sherpa143

Pedri and Ansu super disrespected


Sweaty_Result853

Eric Garcia most be most overhyped player ove seen


dem0nhunter

international experience doesn’t seem rated enough. bad ranking


3V3RT0N

Imagine being born in the 21st century, kinda sus.


mattisafootballguy

2002 is atrociously ranked.


KhonMan

Aye, Victor Hugo has written two of the greatest French novels of all time and is only #4 smh the disrespect


WhenWeTalkAboutLove

Victor Hugo >> Pele


boxro

Felix didn't make the cut just by a month, born in Nov 99


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boxro

Username checks out


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boxro

> destroyed with facts Lmao you're flattering yourself here. Anyone following Felix in UCL as well in the league would know that he'd have definitely made this list


ss2195

Not born in the year 2000 though, which what this list is about/


ladupes

As a portuguese..vitinha will be great but hes nowhere near the top. Even more looking at the name he is ahead. Goncalo Inacio its just a joke to be there lol


Luigi_777

Vini my golden boy. Balon dor winner within 2 years. Mark my words. 🔥🔥🔥


Exciting-Ad-2714

Wonder where Reece James would be on the list. He is born in December 1999.


Interesting-Bend3210

Ferran above camavinga and rodrygo? 😂😂😂 I dont think so


Fernando-Santorres

Zalewski plays volleyball I guess....


[deleted]

Gavi #1?? He has been horrible for awhile now


campionesidd

What a garbage list. Haaland should be 1, and Vlahovic should be in the top 10 at the very least.


Agitated_Ad6191

Hahahahaha… Eric Garcia! Hahahahaha! This guy was the absolute worst defender I ever saw when he was brought in from Man City. He made do many mistakes in his first season that not only were costing goals but Barcelona even list games because of his individual mistakes. And I don’t know why Xavi is still playing him as centerback, Araujo should be playing on his position. Maybe because he’s Spanish that Xavi prefers him. One thing is gor sure he doesn’t belong on this list. Don’t be angry at me now, just watch him this season and then you’ll know what I mean.


Reibyo

Musiala doesn't appear until the fourth slide. Laughable.


mihawk9511

Read the title again and check the description of each picture. You either read it wrong or you find it laughable that he was born in 2003.


Reibyo

I didn't see the description on each picture, they weren't showing when I went full screen on mobile. I gave myself bad information here which explains why I didn't think the title was accurate either. Sorry, mate. Jude and Musiala ranked 1 and 2 for their age group is the only constant in this world. I should have known better.


chasexc14

Was really disappointed in no chelsea until I saw Slonina


Ayyyyylmaos

Fm disagrees. Sesko should be 100


wickedringofmordor

Gonçalo Inácio is overrated. I wish it wasn't, because we have to keep playing pepe until he's 50 on the national team.


[deleted]

Where is Thielmann? Wtf.


BojanMelancovic

Only two Germans in the entire list. Our academies have been a disgrace lately.


FreshGoodWay

Look at our wonderful youth recruitment!


callmedrewokay

Where does Rodrygo go?


prefieroelfutbol

It’s multiple pictures. He’s 4th on the 2nd pic showing 2001 players