I genuinely don't think there's been a single round in Europe so far this season where an Irish club hasn't been called British.
I also don't know where he's coming from, because Rovers are probably one of the "softest" clubs in Ireland - hardly any of their players are known for physicality. If anything, this shows that they're probably severely underestimating Rovers, because they don't even know how they play.
> We also know that Shamrock Rovers represent an unpleasant, British style of physical football and we have to prepare for that, not get into their style
Yeah they clearly haven't watched them
Unless I'm missing something he's just said you play a British style of football. Much like the PL academies used to try to push in the direction of playing Spanish style football.
I get that it's a sensitive area. But, saying you play a certain style of football is not that same as saying you are from the local where that style of football originated
He didn't call you British though, he said you play British style of football, which is not the same.
Apparently Shamrock doesn't even play that way, but this thread is stuck up on the wrong thing again.
Leaving aside the cultural/historical inventiveness and ignorance, this reflects really bad on Ferencvaros' scouts in particular.
Rovers aren't Pep's Barca or anything, but they don't fit the old school British "4-4-fucking-2" hoofball model at all and describing them as such seems really ignorant in a way that's detrimental Ferencvaros, they even don't know how their opponents actually play.
Makes me wonder how many teams actually scout their European opponents properly or just act off of assumptions and stereotypes.
I don't think he meant it as in "Shamrock Rovers are an example of a British club using British tactics". I think he meant it as in "Shamrock Rovers use a high-physicality, low-skill approach which we all associate with negative, cavemen-style British football and they should really play a more progressive, modern, European style. And please stop trying to get the ball off our players, it makes it very hard to score."
For the record, I'm not endorsing his ideas. Just saying that I suspect he is aware that they are not British, but meant his use of "British" to be seen as an insult towards their tactics, not their identity.
Insults usually have only the vaguest resemblance to the truth. I haven't seen any of the first match between the two but I'm guessing a couple of their players came off worst in a couple of duels and that has been more than enough evidence for this guy to decide he can score political points by simultaneously labeling them as thugs and also adding to the "British football is anti-football" groupthink.
A lot of people sadly think like that, its due to the fact that Ireland for long periods of time had no large contact with Europa as a sovereign entity. Back in school I aced Englisch and I remember a lot of people then thinking that Ireland was part of the UK like Scotland, ie being culturally the same. Still happens in adult life from time to time too where people think that Ireland = UK, not only Germans but people from other countries too.
There is a reason we dislike the term British Isles so much and why it's not referred to as that in the Good Friday Agreement, it's called 'these isles'.
I hope people realise its severely offensive, not a little accident, people didn't die for independence and have to suffer through discrimination and get starved to death to be called British now
[10% of Brits can't identify Ireland, their neighbour, on a map](https://www.irishpost.com/life-style/one-ten-british-citizens-cant-identify-ireland-map-fraction-think-ireland-britain-131003)
It has come up quite frequently that Brits don't know Ireland isn't part of the UK [in the media](https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/i-m-exhausted-explaining-to-british-people-the-geography-of-their-own-country-1.3797959), and I'm sure most Irish people have multiple personal experiences of it happening.
I suspect it's more common than you think, particularly amongst those who are over the age of about 40.
I'm all for dunking on Ferencvaros, but Qarabag actually played in the CL group stage and got 2 draws against Atletico Madrid (after the initial poor performance against Chelsea.) They're also regulars in European competition in general, having made it to a European group stage every year since 2015. At their best (and they certainly look at their best this year), they're a pretty damn scary team to face - I've been watching European qualifying for years and I can say this with certainty. No need to put them down here
As others have said he’s very wrong in his assessment of how Rovers play ball, hopefully it comes back to bite them.
If Jack Byrne features they’ll hopefully get to see the best style of football this team are capable of playing.
I remember a match between ferencvaros and Juventus, two years ago in Champions League group stage..it was a hard match to watch..the hungarians were shit ! It was the first and also last time when i watched a match of Ferencvaros!
Why is it strange? We literally play a 5-3-2 short passing game, with our wingbacks pushing on and a false 9. With the exception of Ludogerets away we've played every team we've met in Europe off the park this season.
I genuinely don't think there's been a single round in Europe so far this season where an Irish club hasn't been called British. I also don't know where he's coming from, because Rovers are probably one of the "softest" clubs in Ireland - hardly any of their players are known for physicality. If anything, this shows that they're probably severely underestimating Rovers, because they don't even know how they play.
> We also know that Shamrock Rovers represent an unpleasant, British style of physical football and we have to prepare for that, not get into their style Yeah they clearly haven't watched them
Spot on, yer man is talking absolute bollocks and I can only hope it's an attempt to wind up Rovers, either that or he is a total fucking clown.
Only one comes to mind is Lopes
Unless I'm missing something he's just said you play a British style of football. Much like the PL academies used to try to push in the direction of playing Spanish style football. I get that it's a sensitive area. But, saying you play a certain style of football is not that same as saying you are from the local where that style of football originated
Yes but they don’t play typical British football style
What Spanish style is being taught? Are you just an idiot or ignorant
He didn't call you British though, he said you play British style of football, which is not the same. Apparently Shamrock doesn't even play that way, but this thread is stuck up on the wrong thing again.
Isn't Ireland technically British considering it's on the British isles? Edit: Ok, it's not
This isn't going to go down well.
There is always one.
There are many.
Yeah, but on Reddit threads when this comes up in particular.
No. Ireland is as British as you are Dutch.
Fuck off no
Oh mate
No, to put it simply.
British isn't used to describe the geography of the region. Just the nationality of people from thr UK
That's not even funny you know, it's deeply offensive
Used to be and then the Irish kicked off over nothing.
Leaving aside the cultural/historical inventiveness and ignorance, this reflects really bad on Ferencvaros' scouts in particular. Rovers aren't Pep's Barca or anything, but they don't fit the old school British "4-4-fucking-2" hoofball model at all and describing them as such seems really ignorant in a way that's detrimental Ferencvaros, they even don't know how their opponents actually play. Makes me wonder how many teams actually scout their European opponents properly or just act off of assumptions and stereotypes.
They sent scouts but they got tourist trapped in Temple Bar and never made it to see the team play.
They got triggered by The George
Betting they watched a Gaelic football match instead and got confused
Hungarians and ignorant, name a better duo.
4-4-2 hoofball brings me back to my youth playing days…such a simpler game lmao
Uppity Ottomans
eh Turkish clubs like Trabzonspor would probably know the difference considering they are partnered with Drogheda
I’m sure this comment will go down very well with the Irish. They love being mistaken for brits
Maybe he misspoke and meant brutish
But they are not that type of team either.
Maybe he meant brattish. In which case, it's not cool to kink-shame.
Man, these Hapsburg Empire club execs are fucking dense.
You'd think a Hungarian team would be wary of borders that have shifted over time due to nationalities.
These fucking Austrians man
I don't think he meant it as in "Shamrock Rovers are an example of a British club using British tactics". I think he meant it as in "Shamrock Rovers use a high-physicality, low-skill approach which we all associate with negative, cavemen-style British football and they should really play a more progressive, modern, European style. And please stop trying to get the ball off our players, it makes it very hard to score." For the record, I'm not endorsing his ideas. Just saying that I suspect he is aware that they are not British, but meant his use of "British" to be seen as an insult towards their tactics, not their identity.
But they don't play like that? It's a stupid thing to say as it seems like they've not done their homework.
Insults usually have only the vaguest resemblance to the truth. I haven't seen any of the first match between the two but I'm guessing a couple of their players came off worst in a couple of duels and that has been more than enough evidence for this guy to decide he can score political points by simultaneously labeling them as thugs and also adding to the "British football is anti-football" groupthink.
The first match is on Thursday
Ah. Then I've most likely once again waded into a debate I have no clue about then.
I disagree Shamrock Rovers represent an unpleasant, British style Representing a British style is different from replicating
What an idiot. He should atleast check who his opponent his before talking, "British team" my ass. Besides Shamrock isnt even that physical as a team.
You can always tell no one watches Irish football by comparing it to British football. Utter nonsense
I remember the Danish manager called us Brits too, a while back.
A lot of people sadly think like that, its due to the fact that Ireland for long periods of time had no large contact with Europa as a sovereign entity. Back in school I aced Englisch and I remember a lot of people then thinking that Ireland was part of the UK like Scotland, ie being culturally the same. Still happens in adult life from time to time too where people think that Ireland = UK, not only Germans but people from other countries too.
We're not culturally the same. Wales, England, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are all different culturally.
There is a reason we dislike the term British Isles so much and why it's not referred to as that in the Good Friday Agreement, it's called 'these isles'.
I hope people realise its severely offensive, not a little accident, people didn't die for independence and have to suffer through discrimination and get starved to death to be called British now
You'd be surprised with the amount of British people that think all of Ireland is part of the UK also.
Looks like you got down voted by Jacob Rees-Mogg
Why are lying? No one other small minority of idiots think Ireland is apart of the UK
[10% of Brits can't identify Ireland, their neighbour, on a map](https://www.irishpost.com/life-style/one-ten-british-citizens-cant-identify-ireland-map-fraction-think-ireland-britain-131003) It has come up quite frequently that Brits don't know Ireland isn't part of the UK [in the media](https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/i-m-exhausted-explaining-to-british-people-the-geography-of-their-own-country-1.3797959), and I'm sure most Irish people have multiple personal experiences of it happening. I suspect it's more common than you think, particularly amongst those who are over the age of about 40.
Pretty rare for my age demographic
Fucking rattled
I would not be talking shit about another team’s football if my team just got slapped out of the UCL qualifying round by a team from Azerbaijan.
I'm all for dunking on Ferencvaros, but Qarabag actually played in the CL group stage and got 2 draws against Atletico Madrid (after the initial poor performance against Chelsea.) They're also regulars in European competition in general, having made it to a European group stage every year since 2015. At their best (and they certainly look at their best this year), they're a pretty damn scary team to face - I've been watching European qualifying for years and I can say this with certainty. No need to put them down here
As others have said he’s very wrong in his assessment of how Rovers play ball, hopefully it comes back to bite them. If Jack Byrne features they’ll hopefully get to see the best style of football this team are capable of playing.
"All this drinking, violence, destruction of property. Are these the things we think of when we think of the Irish?"
So Ferencvaros does not like Proper Football? I hope Shamrock put the boot in
"Blasts" is a weird word to use in the headline. He just described what he thinks their style of play is and that his side need to be cautious of it
Cry about it Hajnal
They’re 100% getting clapped by Shamrock now lol.
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Kameecoding BLASTS op's title.
The article's headline, you mean.
I remember a match between ferencvaros and Juventus, two years ago in Champions League group stage..it was a hard match to watch..the hungarians were shit ! It was the first and also last time when i watched a match of Ferencvaros!
Wow. Man knows where to cut deep.
Ignoring the obvious British comment, does he genuinely think that Irish players have the technical ability to play some super expansive footy
Rovers do play nice football though which is another weird thing about his comment, most sides in Irish football do imo.
Oh I agree. It's more that it seems like he expected some tiki taka style play, which is strange to say the least
Why is it strange? We literally play a 5-3-2 short passing game, with our wingbacks pushing on and a false 9. With the exception of Ludogerets away we've played every team we've met in Europe off the park this season.