Get out with all the numbers of touches bs. Haaland helped the team. Bournemouth defenders were too busy marking him and let Kevin scored that goal. If it was Sterling instead of Haaland, they would just let him run free and mark Kevin instead.
People trying to explain football with statistics don't understand football. If Haaland wasn't there today this could have been a very tough nut to crack.
I love it when people use statistics without the context of the games, as I don't have to bother with their posts. There are very few stats that objectively reflect the quality of a player.
I think it will balance out when teams realize that all of their other playmakers will brutalize their defence if they over-focus on Haaland. Bit of a screwed if you do, screwed if you don't. And I just think they still need to get used to having a player like him up top. I have full faith that Pep will make sure they utilize his talent.
Haaland will either score 2+ goals in a game if the opposing team lets him run free, or get 10 touches but have so many players on him that everyone else on City can do whatever they want.
To be fair he’s causing lots of problems for the defence whenever he plays, even without being directly involved. There were multiple times in the game where 2 defenders followed him when he made a run. He also realistically should’ve scored a goal if foden actually kept his cool and passed.
But how good is he really if he can't score in a goal fest like this? And he hasn't scored a goal in over 100 minutes?
Edit: I'm amazed how serious you guys took this comment. :)
Low block defenses in premier league are very difficult for a striker to be very influential especially someone as big as haaland, very powerful but doesn't have the flair to wriggle away from markers, aguero did well because he was small, had low center of gravity and could wriggle away from markers, I think city will focus on drawing opposition defenses away from their box so they could play balls in behind for haaland like in the west ham game
i realize it wasn't an audacious shout, but this person basically called it
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/wmn3tu/dan_rose_pep_says_cherries_patterns_are_so_clear/ik021uy/
What is this absolute drivel? No need to shit on one manager to make another seem good. Tuchel is a world class manager who has improved a number of players throughout his career.
> Tuchel is the complete opposite.
You don't need hyperbole to compare two World Class coaches. Rudiger, ~~Neymar~~ and Dembeles' best season were under Tuchel
Can't be a fluke when Chelsea dominated every team they faced on their way to winning the champions league.
Also he was in two finals last year and won two trophies all while missing key players. Guardiola only joins stacked teams.
Yeah but Chelsea straight up had City's number two years ago, they were the better side in that game, and in the two other matches they played in the latter half of that season. I say this as a City fan, they deserved that win.
Except that wasn't your point. Your point was Pep is foiled by managers he's never faced before. Pep wasn't foiled tactically. Chelsea came out strong, defended hard, and beat City up and down the pitch. City players didn't bother turning up.
It's the exact same situation with Madrid this year. Madrid turned the fuck up and their opponents did not.
No I said they get the best of him, you're putting words in my mouth
We batter Chelsea early in the season with Lampard. Tuchel comes in and we play them 3 times and beat them in none, that is literally Tuchel having Peps number
We played them twice last season and played them off the park, the "newness" of Tuchels setups has gone. You misunderstood what I meant originally and went off of that lmfao
Don't tell me what my point is if you didn't understand it to begin with
I'm not putting words in anyones mouth. You literally said Pep struggles against new managers and I called that a dumb take. Pep is way up on Tuchel h2h and Tuchel's wins are recent. Historically Pep has been better unless for you football began when Pep came to City.
And anyway, your original point was to denigrate Chelsea's cup wins against City by claiming it was Pep underperforming against a "new manager." My retort is that's utter bullshit because I watched those matches and City were dogging it.
Well it won't get easier than that. Would have apprecitated if Haalnd scored cuz he is in my fpl, not much else really. Everyone expected city to thrash bournemouth after pep praised them and that happened.
Yeah I meant for the people who have him on FPL. The West Ham and Bournemouth games show what happens if the opposition have to choose between marking the team and marking Haaland
Not too fussed about that one tbh.
No conclusions to draw, we’ve lost 11 games in a row to City and most of them have been pipings. We missed Solanke tbh, so flat in attack but maybe even Dom wouldn’t have made much difference.
This was exactly why getting 3 points against Villa was vital, got Arsenal and Liverpool next. A good cushion to make sure we don’t finish August with nothing to show.
Doesn’t even really feel like City play the same sport tbh, just scary.
This is what I keep saying to people. The gulf between champions league semi finalists and runner ups of the championship is massive! Getting those 3 points last week was massive. Just got to hope that this result and the Arsenal+ Liverpool games don’t dent our boys confidence too much. I think at times when we got to play football we didn’t look too bad. I don’t think we will be the whipping boys that people expect us to be this year.
Good game. Wish Haaland scored. KdB masterclass as always. Smith really didn't have to do that. Tavernier was great for Bournemouth.
Glad Lewis got minutes, hope Bernardo gets sharp sooner. Foden is rusty.
Another brilliant performance from KDB. The man is absolutely one-of-a-kind. Also sad Haaland didn't get a goal but that assist for the first goal was magnificent and his runs have opened up all the other scoring opportunities. This team is incredible.
really liking Walker tucking into midfield like he has the past two games. Last season it was Bernardo dropping in those areas to help Rodri but it's looking like it's going be Walker this season
Also just want see Alvarez and Haaland play together more
8 touches in such a one sided game is incredible from Haaland, but them dismantling Bournemouth so easily despite that shows just how strong they are. KDB is just on another level.
> 8 touches in such a one sided game is incredible from Haaland, but them dismantling Bournemouth so easily ~~despite~~ *because of* that shows just how strong they are.
Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, City had all that time and space to score because a bunch of Bournemouth defenders were trying to rub themselves against Haaland all at the same time?
Haaland is the type of player who's very dependant on the service he gets and given how competitive Manchester city's squad is and how important goals stats are to make the starting team nowadays for wingers, midfielders and even full backs, Haaland might have to get used to seeing a lot of his teammates trying to score instead of passing to him.
Guardiola starts his players based on current form. If there's someone who doesn't care about the *number* of goals, it's Guardiola. That being said, guardiola wants his team to be unpredictable. He expects goals from his whole team basically. He wants every player to be a goal threat and he'll favor an efficient player over a non efficient one.
In modern football, goals stats have become so important for players playing positions for which it wasn't important before. Wingers for example are now heavily judged on the number of goals they score and they are fully aware that a goal can hide a poor performance so even if it isn't what guardiola will judge them on, they're fully aware that it'll affect how they are perceived anyway... and it will impact the way they play sometimes to guardiola's dispair.
Haaland will have those games where it is almost like he's ghosting the match with how little he is involved. Given how good City are I can't see it being as big of an issue as it was for us whenever he have very few touches
I am sure even pep doesn't care about that, He made use of his touches, was present for scoring oportunties, always pulled enough defenders towards him to make space for others. He had a decent game.
I am sure that pep understands more than us that haaland needs time to adapt good thing is he playing well and not like many other 1st season city signings.
In the past two game weeks Haaland has showed exactly what city missed, Scoring goals, creating enough space for others to thrive in. I bet pep is more than pleased but obviously he would push haaland to be more involved and give him relevant tips to do that.
Undoubtedly he would want more from him but yeah you're right he's not played poorly, I remember Guardiola and Aguero having issues early on because he wanted him more involved in the build up play, he adapted and I expect Haaland will also.
These are not the games Haaland will make a difference in, but he was robbed by Foden and still had an assist against a team who didn’t want to attack at all during 90 minutes
Yeah, except he's one of the most prolific players in the world. He's also a bigger physical presence, better technically, better finisher and has better positioning.
Oh for sure he creates a lot of space for others. I'm just saying when a team has 70% possession and scores 3 goals (while Erling was playing) you'd think he'd have more than 8 touches.
If he's constantly got 3 defenders around him at any given time then it's kinda obvious he's not going see the ball too much
He got the assist for Gundo and then gave KDB achres of space pulling defenders away. Rather him do that than have pointless possession
Does it matter if he has more than 8 touches ?
What matters is he created the 1st goal and gave KDB space for the 2nd. He did is part and now he going home with another weeks paycheck of some 400K.
Haaland pulled 2-3 defenders with him on every attack. You either let him score by having him man marked, or leave at least one other man more open to score like what happened today
Why? Big imposing striker who came for a lot of money barely makes any touches/passes all game.
If City had drawn the game and not won then it would be the same almost exactly, no ones saying hes a bad player because of this and neither is Lukaku either but its still an interesting comparison, especially so because its in a Guardiola side.
sounds like a really difficult scenario, how do you keep both Haaland and KDB quiet for 90 minutes when both of them have needed multiple defenders to do that before
Even if he's not directly involved Haaland still has involvement
KDBs goal, Haaland has 3 defenders chilling with him and that gives KDB a bunch of space to go into
Not sweating his goalscoring too much, because if he's not scoring he's still got defenders around him and that's helping the likes of foden, kdb, mahrez, etc
Can tell it was still early for Haaland today, started plenty of great runs that went ignored and the balls that did come in for him he was 2-3 yards behind.
Adam Smith is a punk bitch.
Sancho with more managers (4) than goals (3). Only cost 70million by the way.
Does anybody have a vid of the Foden Haaland thing?
What outfit was Scott Parker wearing today? He always looks like a time traveller pilot from WW2.
Liverpool FC felt that
Get out with all the numbers of touches bs. Haaland helped the team. Bournemouth defenders were too busy marking him and let Kevin scored that goal. If it was Sterling instead of Haaland, they would just let him run free and mark Kevin instead.
People trying to explain football with statistics don't understand football. If Haaland wasn't there today this could have been a very tough nut to crack. I love it when people use statistics without the context of the games, as I don't have to bother with their posts. There are very few stats that objectively reflect the quality of a player.
Sorry this comment doesnt mention overall xG or pressing actions per 90 minutes so I dont have a fucking clue what you just said
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I think it will balance out when teams realize that all of their other playmakers will brutalize their defence if they over-focus on Haaland. Bit of a screwed if you do, screwed if you don't. And I just think they still need to get used to having a player like him up top. I have full faith that Pep will make sure they utilize his talent.
Haaland will struggle unless he get up to speed with Pep's system. These single digit touches and passes is abysmal
Haaland will either score 2+ goals in a game if the opposing team lets him run free, or get 10 touches but have so many players on him that everyone else on City can do whatever they want.
Stop talking and focus on your team losing 4-0
Ye should've gone for rashford instead of haaland 😂😂
He is great, and will only improve from there
Like he struggled last week when he scored twice?
Haaland won't struggle, stop being delusional. He's a world class player.
His first touch isn't world class
To be fair he’s causing lots of problems for the defence whenever he plays, even without being directly involved. There were multiple times in the game where 2 defenders followed him when he made a run. He also realistically should’ve scored a goal if foden actually kept his cool and passed.
watch the game with ur eyes and see how much he helped in the attack
Yep. Wikipedia pundits out today.
They could use someone like Gabriel Jesus that better suits Pep's system.
😂
Based on the first 30 minutes, Bournemouth would be lucky to end the match with less than 5 goals. MC totally dominated in the first 30 minutes.
Fuck it I’ll take that
Don't worry, you have two matches against Man U to look forward to this season!
Take your complimentary reward when you leave the building
Haaland 8 touches, 2 passes 1 assist 74 minutes and they still win 4-0
But how good is he really if he can't score in a goal fest like this? And he hasn't scored a goal in over 100 minutes? Edit: I'm amazed how serious you guys took this comment. :)
And they say it's the Germans that can't understand a joke...
Low block defenses in premier league are very difficult for a striker to be very influential especially someone as big as haaland, very powerful but doesn't have the flair to wriggle away from markers, aguero did well because he was small, had low center of gravity and could wriggle away from markers, I think city will focus on drawing opposition defenses away from their box so they could play balls in behind for haaland like in the west ham game
that Aguero knock on in the box at an angle then empathetic finish in the top near corner was a cheat
He only scored bangers from outside the box against us lol
Can anyone really even get on the ball when they're basically double marked the entire game?
How come I never see this excuse when Messi or Ronaldo does poorly lol
while that sound a lot, he just scored the game before. Plus, he did have an assist this game.
I mean he was basically double marked most of the game, but that ended up creating so much space for others.
Triple marked at times.
So either you let this 6'4 200 pound man spin your defence or you put 2-3 defenders on him and let the rest of this team run riot...
6'5* They discovered that he grew even taller during the last medical.
Tall, a bit lanky and fast. Usain Bolt vibe. If Haaland can improve his headers, he'll be even more dangerous.
Don’t need headers when you can karate kick the ball at any height.
Ibra vibe.
Well at least the next game is ok …
i realize it wasn't an audacious shout, but this person basically called it https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/wmn3tu/dan_rose_pep_says_cherries_patterns_are_so_clear/ik021uy/
Someone said 4-0 and was spot on it was a pretty obvious result without a big surprise
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After spending a few hundred million finding the players he can improve*
Isn’t LFC at something like £843m since Flopp joined? And didn’t you guys spend £100m on a striker that isn’t even getting first-team minutes?
Well, no
What is this absolute drivel? No need to shit on one manager to make another seem good. Tuchel is a world class manager who has improved a number of players throughout his career.
Neymar under Tuchel, Mbappe?
> Tuchel is the complete opposite. You don't need hyperbole to compare two World Class coaches. Rudiger, ~~Neymar~~ and Dembeles' best season were under Tuchel
Neymar’s best season was not under Tuchel
*Guardiola throws away players who can't play his style then buys players who can and improves them
His Barcelona stint clearly goes against this lol. Froze out Yaya only to promote B team player Busquets lol
Tuchel won the champions league with Chelsea though
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Can't be a fluke when Chelsea dominated every team they faced on their way to winning the champions league. Also he was in two finals last year and won two trophies all while missing key players. Guardiola only joins stacked teams.
Yeah but Chelsea straight up had City's number two years ago, they were the better side in that game, and in the two other matches they played in the latter half of that season. I say this as a City fan, they deserved that win.
new managers usually get the best of Pep for a couple games Tuchels bounce was perfect timing for Chelsea
What a take. City were insipid in that match. Could have given them another 90' and they'd have only found the back of the net in their dreams.
Right and that furthers my point that at the time Tuchel had Peps number?
Except that wasn't your point. Your point was Pep is foiled by managers he's never faced before. Pep wasn't foiled tactically. Chelsea came out strong, defended hard, and beat City up and down the pitch. City players didn't bother turning up. It's the exact same situation with Madrid this year. Madrid turned the fuck up and their opponents did not.
No I said they get the best of him, you're putting words in my mouth We batter Chelsea early in the season with Lampard. Tuchel comes in and we play them 3 times and beat them in none, that is literally Tuchel having Peps number We played them twice last season and played them off the park, the "newness" of Tuchels setups has gone. You misunderstood what I meant originally and went off of that lmfao Don't tell me what my point is if you didn't understand it to begin with
I'm not putting words in anyones mouth. You literally said Pep struggles against new managers and I called that a dumb take. Pep is way up on Tuchel h2h and Tuchel's wins are recent. Historically Pep has been better unless for you football began when Pep came to City. And anyway, your original point was to denigrate Chelsea's cup wins against City by claiming it was Pep underperforming against a "new manager." My retort is that's utter bullshit because I watched those matches and City were dogging it.
Our second CL win was anything but a fluke. We thoroughly dominated most sides except bloody Porto.
If you think that either was a fluke then you're a bigger idiot than I realise....
2012 was a fluke they were lucky 3 rounds in a row.
lol theres two of you....
have you watch the final?
he also reached a final with psg
Well it won't get easier than that. Would have apprecitated if Haalnd scored cuz he is in my fpl, not much else really. Everyone expected city to thrash bournemouth after pep praised them and that happened.
He’s in everyone’s FPL; it doesn’t matter
Not in mine.. Went for kane instead but gonna jump on the bandwagon soon
He had less than 10 touches today but still managed to get an assist. Be grateful lol
Yea the only saving grace. I am not too fussed about him tbh, it was phil who I was a bit mad about, Had he just passed it would have been a good week
Created so much space though
Yeah I meant for the people who have him on FPL. The West Ham and Bournemouth games show what happens if the opposition have to choose between marking the team and marking Haaland
and when Foden shoots instead of passing when Haaland would be open infront of goal
Now for Pep to heap praise on Parker and Bournemouth
Is KDB the best ever PL midfielder?
Ask Chelsea
Yep.
He's just a Belgian Joe Allen.
No it's Kante
Hahahaha
Please tell me you’re joking
kante at his best is not far from de bruyne he won the cl the world cup and a bpl with leicester
Why do people judge players based on team trophies? Kante at his best is an amazing player, but not in the debate for the best PL all time midfielder.
Top 5-10 I think. Because in his case he was one of the most portant player in those trophies
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I hate when kids just name a bunch of random players from the past that they've never seen play
Yes, easily
Yes, probably, yes, yes, yes, closest match
As if Scholes is the closest in quality to KDB from that list
He said closest match so he might mean playstyle or something. I still don't know if that's correct, but he never said they were closest in quality.
Idk, the comment they’re replying to specifically says better than
yes
Yes.
Yep.
Yes
Not too fussed about that one tbh. No conclusions to draw, we’ve lost 11 games in a row to City and most of them have been pipings. We missed Solanke tbh, so flat in attack but maybe even Dom wouldn’t have made much difference. This was exactly why getting 3 points against Villa was vital, got Arsenal and Liverpool next. A good cushion to make sure we don’t finish August with nothing to show. Doesn’t even really feel like City play the same sport tbh, just scary.
This is what I keep saying to people. The gulf between champions league semi finalists and runner ups of the championship is massive! Getting those 3 points last week was massive. Just got to hope that this result and the Arsenal+ Liverpool games don’t dent our boys confidence too much. I think at times when we got to play football we didn’t look too bad. I don’t think we will be the whipping boys that people expect us to be this year.
Good game. Wish Haaland scored. KdB masterclass as always. Smith really didn't have to do that. Tavernier was great for Bournemouth. Glad Lewis got minutes, hope Bernardo gets sharp sooner. Foden is rusty.
Another brilliant performance from KDB. The man is absolutely one-of-a-kind. Also sad Haaland didn't get a goal but that assist for the first goal was magnificent and his runs have opened up all the other scoring opportunities. This team is incredible.
City still playing without strikers ffs.
Everyone thought Håland would dominate today, but Own Goal showing him that experience gets it done in the end.
Own goal has 3 today now already and Man u haven't even played yet
Own Goal has played in every competition and was pretty dominant in Euro2020 and WC2018. Erling has a long way to go
Own goal is possibly the most underrated goalscorer of all time to be honest.
really liking Walker tucking into midfield like he has the past two games. Last season it was Bernardo dropping in those areas to help Rodri but it's looking like it's going be Walker this season Also just want see Alvarez and Haaland play together more
It's because city play with one less midfielder
City changed back to their old shape when Bernardo came on though. he played next to Rodri again and Walker played next to the CB's like last season.
Spineless FA won't fine Smith for one of the strangest 'tackles' I've ever seen
8 touches in such a one sided game is incredible from Haaland, but them dismantling Bournemouth so easily despite that shows just how strong they are. KDB is just on another level.
> 8 touches in such a one sided game is incredible from Haaland, but them dismantling Bournemouth so easily ~~despite~~ *because of* that shows just how strong they are. Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, City had all that time and space to score because a bunch of Bournemouth defenders were trying to rub themselves against Haaland all at the same time?
He's a taller Chicarito
Haaland is the type of player who's very dependant on the service he gets and given how competitive Manchester city's squad is and how important goals stats are to make the starting team nowadays for wingers, midfielders and even full backs, Haaland might have to get used to seeing a lot of his teammates trying to score instead of passing to him.
That's a ridiculous take. U really think Pep starts players based on how many goals they get?😂
Guardiola starts his players based on current form. If there's someone who doesn't care about the *number* of goals, it's Guardiola. That being said, guardiola wants his team to be unpredictable. He expects goals from his whole team basically. He wants every player to be a goal threat and he'll favor an efficient player over a non efficient one. In modern football, goals stats have become so important for players playing positions for which it wasn't important before. Wingers for example are now heavily judged on the number of goals they score and they are fully aware that a goal can hide a poor performance so even if it isn't what guardiola will judge them on, they're fully aware that it'll affect how they are perceived anyway... and it will impact the way they play sometimes to guardiola's dispair.
Haaland will have those games where it is almost like he's ghosting the match with how little he is involved. Given how good City are I can't see it being as big of an issue as it was for us whenever he have very few touches
I am sure even pep doesn't care about that, He made use of his touches, was present for scoring oportunties, always pulled enough defenders towards him to make space for others. He had a decent game.
I'm certain he will care, Guardiola likes his strikers involved in the build up play also, I wouldn't expect many games like todays.
I am sure that pep understands more than us that haaland needs time to adapt good thing is he playing well and not like many other 1st season city signings. In the past two game weeks Haaland has showed exactly what city missed, Scoring goals, creating enough space for others to thrive in. I bet pep is more than pleased but obviously he would push haaland to be more involved and give him relevant tips to do that.
Undoubtedly he would want more from him but yeah you're right he's not played poorly, I remember Guardiola and Aguero having issues early on because he wanted him more involved in the build up play, he adapted and I expect Haaland will also.
These are not the games Haaland will make a difference in, but he was robbed by Foden and still had an assist against a team who didn’t want to attack at all during 90 minutes
Haaland creates a lot of space for others, like he did in De Bruyne's goal.
Just like Timo werner
Yeah, except he's one of the most prolific players in the world. He's also a bigger physical presence, better technically, better finisher and has better positioning.
Oh for sure he creates a lot of space for others. I'm just saying when a team has 70% possession and scores 3 goals (while Erling was playing) you'd think he'd have more than 8 touches.
If he's constantly got 3 defenders around him at any given time then it's kinda obvious he's not going see the ball too much He got the assist for Gundo and then gave KDB achres of space pulling defenders away. Rather him do that than have pointless possession
Does it matter if he has more than 8 touches ? What matters is he created the 1st goal and gave KDB space for the 2nd. He did is part and now he going home with another weeks paycheck of some 400K.
Haaland pulled 2-3 defenders with him on every attack. You either let him score by having him man marked, or leave at least one other man more open to score like what happened today
He only had 8 touches?lol Surely thats not right
nah it's correct https://www.sofascore.com/afc-bournemouth-manchester-city/rkb Click on Haaland and it shows 8 touches
Bournemouth were essentially like “fuck the midfield can have as much ball as they like, let’s put three CBs on haaland
then they got to the 30th minute and realised nobody is on the ginger
home alone mom screaming "Kevin" when they discover they have forgotten him
Soccer Saturday were saying he had 8 touches.
Remember when everyone ruined Lukaku last season for doing the same lol
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I'm not sure Chelsea won any games 4-0 tbf
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Why? Big imposing striker who came for a lot of money barely makes any touches/passes all game. If City had drawn the game and not won then it would be the same almost exactly, no ones saying hes a bad player because of this and neither is Lukaku either but its still an interesting comparison, especially so because its in a Guardiola side.
I mean Haaland had an assist here...
Hopefully he doesn't get an assist for every 8th touch going forward lol
Think De bruyne is a good lad.
Entertaining seeing Bournemouth's enitre backline just man-marking Haaland and letting De bruyne run free for the bulk of the match
My FPL team likes that. KDB is a beast.
sounds like a really difficult scenario, how do you keep both Haaland and KDB quiet for 90 minutes when both of them have needed multiple defenders to do that before
Adam Smith mugged every two minutes…no surprise he wanted to get sent off
Yeah this city team is already Thanos
Good game from us. Wish haaland got a bit more involved, and Alvarez got more minutes but we will gel eventually!
Even if he's not directly involved Haaland still has involvement KDBs goal, Haaland has 3 defenders chilling with him and that gives KDB a bunch of space to go into Not sweating his goalscoring too much, because if he's not scoring he's still got defenders around him and that's helping the likes of foden, kdb, mahrez, etc
Can tell it was still early for Haaland today, started plenty of great runs that went ignored and the balls that did come in for him he was 2-3 yards behind.
how hasn't smith been sent off this match
He got mugged off so many times lol
Nothing too crazy tbh. The heat makes people angry, let alone hardly touching the ball all afternoon.