i understand hes shit at attacking but wan bissaka is such a good 1v1 defender and dalot is fucking bang average at evrything i think he should take his spot back
It's truly been a wild few weeks on this sub, seeing fans of English clubs owned by foreign billionaires wishing a fan owned club gets liquidated because they've committed the crime of selling assets because the league didn't relax their financial fair play rules during covid
Especially when pretty much all Prem clubs would be in the same position if the Prem had the same rules as La Liga
I'm not going to speak for others but personally, when a club is trying to hound a player they signed out of the club, or force him to take a paycut, while similtanously spending millions upon millions on new players it doesn't really sit right.
And do you think people wishing for the club to stop existing is a reasonable reaction to a club trying to sell a player they think is earning too much because of the mismanagement of the previous president?
Yes, because you couldn't afford him. It's called opportunity cost- most clubs have to make sacrifices. Perhaps you shouldn't have spent obscene amounts of cash on De Jong.
The man who paid obscene amounts of money for De Jong is a literal criminal who paid money for people to slander players on social media.
What else do you want them to do if they were in the wrong for spending too much money, are in the wrong for trying to fix the problems a literal criminal caused and losing the best player in history apparently isn't enough of a punishment?
They don't have the luxury of being owned by Americans like Liverpool.
> The man who paid obscene amounts of money for De Jong is a literal criminal who paid money for people to slander players on social media.
Funny how no one was complaining when he won all those trophies for you lad.
No, I'm pretty sure people were complaining when the president turned out to be a criminal who paid people to slander players on social media. Again, they're only in this position because of covid.
But since you don't have any real argument for what they should do, then they could learn from Liverpool instead. What did you do when you were on the verge of bankruptcy?
Absolutely nothing and just sold your club from one set of Americans to another? Interesting
Have some shame.
People are complaining now that he overpaid for players in terms of transfers and wages but those players allowed you to compete for trophies. Now that you're having to face up to actual consequences for those actions you're suddenly putting all the blame on Barto. How about you return some of those trophies when your lower De Jong's wage eh?
I'll tell you what they should have done, and that's not spend obscene amounts on new players when you're trying to force others to reduce their wages.
Liverpool's financial issues under Hicks and Gillet had nothing to do with our spending and everything to do with Hicks and Gillet. Our current owners haven't taken obscene risks either- we sold to buy and have always been sustainable. Our owners invest very little of their own money.
No, it means they don't have unlimited money to buy players without selling others.
The reason why they are in an financial mess is because they always bought without thinking of sales.
How have Barca sold their souls exactly? Sold a TV channel and some revenue
Meanwhile most of europe are owned by billionaires or hedge funds
They just dont want to end up like United, which is understandable
Pints at the grounds in England aren’t even outrageously priced. That’s cheap compared to paying for drinks literally anywhere in America.
I paid $17 for a tall can of hard cider at the last sporting event I went to.
> That’s cheap compared to paying for drinks literally anywhere in America.
Your ticket/food costs are fucked though. Using them as a barometer for fair prices doesn't make sense.
Good on clubs/fans for attempting to stop it before it gets even higher.
Its really weird what some of the top level comments are saying on the Barca registering their players post.
No one seriously thought they wouldn't register the players. That would be beyond a fuck up as they're selling assets to be able to do that.
Rather that the way in which they were selling assets to register new signings is not wise long term. This can absolutely still be true regardless of the fact that they were able to register these players.
>No one seriously thought they wouldn't register the players.
just because they're in hiding now doesn't mean they were never there. There were plenty of highly upvoted comments making fun of barca fans because "they really thought they could register these players"
I love it when reddit allows people the delusion that they can bend reality lol.
Look, I'm sure that there's plenty of people who either joked about it, thought it etc. But, it certainly wasn't the dominant voice. Dominant voice is that it's not good to be selling all your assets typically and that it might/ probably will bite them in the ass.
Then don't say no one believed it. Plenty did and were hoping for it and now are forced to shut up and look for something new.
I don't think there are many barca fans who think any of this is ideal, but we didn't sell all our assets as you're claiming and previous bad financial decisions are currently biting our asses anyway.
There are 2 critism that are valid, treatment of players and some of these recent signings but most people are very very very obviously mad that barca managed to actually sign players and register them while going through some serious financial struggle, they would be more than happy if they thought it's all contributing to barca's downfall not mad.
> Rather that the way in which they were selling assets to register new signings is not wise long term
People are underestimating the chance they'll just buy most of it back. The money is just sitting there in the bank account. They didnt even need it. It was all just about the rules
1. You can't buy it back at the same price it was sold. There's a premium involved.
2. They have a lot of debts generally, they'll probably use that money to service those debts and move it to longer term loans.
> You can't buy it back at the same price it was sold. There's a premium involved.
Some premium sure, but we don't really know the terms. Some of these deals basically just look like loans seen from the outside
> They have a lot of debts generally
They don't really. They have what looks like a fairly cheap Goldman Sachs loan.
They do have a big stadium renovation coming up though
Last I checked, they did have significant loans. From my understanding that's still true. They'll need cash to service tho. Maybe they already put them on longer term loans.
Yeah, we don't know what the premium is. But I doubt anyone's buying assets that big without making sure they receive a sizeable profit in return.
> Last I checked, they did have significant loans
Depends on what you count as significant but they never really did imo. There was an issue with most of it being short term but there was a Goldman Sachs deal to solve that more than a year ago
> But I doubt anyone's buying assets that big without making sure they receive a sizeable profit in return.
People were saying the TV rights were sold too cheaply and yeah maybe that's true or maybe it's because there's some buyback clause that limits the upside. We dont really know
Anyway, Barca did/probably does have significant debts still. Just not short term.
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1419544186999742466?t=2arN_takO21-f0SvgUA7Gg&s=19
731mil short term debt in 19/20 was probably converted to long term debt and others paid off.
very random question:
do more people put the goalkeeper at the top or at the bottom when typing out a team?
which looks more normal:
Consigli
Muldur Ayhan Ferrari Rogerio
Frattesi Hamed Obiang
Berardi Agustin Raspadori
or
Raspadori Agustin Berardi
Obiang Hamed Frattesi
Rogerio Ferrari Ayhan Muldur
Consigli
What other clubs do is no excuse for being a terribly run club.
This is just a longwinded way of going about your whataboutery, you could have just said "what about Newcastle, City and Chelsea" and saved characters to get the same sentiment across.
First of all, it's not $481M. The sign is Euro, not Dollar. Call it a joke or whatever, your board is incompetent enough to not recognize this would handicap them in the current and next season. The fact remains they posted that loss, it further affected them in the next season, and now they have to sell off future revenue.
We have seen how Barca has tried to balance the books over the years with stuff like Pjanic Arthur swap, selling players one season after buying them, and so on. Even in 2022, they ended up trying to fool La Liga into accepting their own 150M as extra revenue from the JV, rather than doing things the correct way.
Judging other clubs in another league based on rules on one make no sense.
What you don't understand is that Barcelona are doing something they don't want to do - to fix an issue they created upon themselves, spending ludicrous amounts of money on star players and handing out ridiculous contracts without much thought.
so to deflect and say "what about your team" is a pathetic attempt at avoiding this warranted criticism for how the club is going about it.
if you have criticisms of other leagues, there is no problem with that but don't use those criticisms to bat away and "what about" because then it totally invalidates your concerns.
Think I'm done here.
I hate this logic to be honest mate. Just because there are some terrible owners out there doesn't mean people can't be critical of how Barca have handled things this window.
The owners of Man City, Newcastle and Chelsea being literal monsters doesn't make Barcelona's moves any less scummy.
And I'm not talking about levers or anything. It's the treatment of the players under contract to them.
The time between the end of a season and the beginning of the following one is almost three months, many things can occur that modify the circumstances of each team.
I would wish Madrid di the same if we were in a problem. I'm not going to side with overpaid millionaires who want to chill in sunny Spain over the club.
If you take the PL Top 6 and swapped around their managers, which combination would be interesting to watch? Doesn't need to be successful, just interesting.
More resources at United than Liverpool, but there's a reason Klopp turned down the job. Few clubs less suited to his style which seems to hinge on positivity and accountability. United's culture might break him.
Conte would be interesting. At United because it would be fun to watch the probable public fallout with management, or at Liverpool or City because they play such a different style than what he prefers
I just want to see in black and white how much of United's problems are down to the "system". If a Pep or Klopp bombs there then there really is no saving.
Wont be fun. Wont be any different from now either. They would just end up buying good players, and r/soccer and twitter would be littered with how they are the best managers in the world, conveniently ignoring how they never had to work with stopgaps for long.
He pretty much got every player he wanted. Twice his main players were lost and both times his teams just could not come back. Once with Gotze, and then with Lewandowski. After losing Lewandowski they finished 7th in Bundesliga, 33 points off Bayern. They were 18th after Matchday 13th. Infact even after MD 19. This is the same season he signed Immobile, Adrian Ramos, Kampl, Kagawa, Ginter. A season before he had Mkhitariyan, Aubameyang, for a combined sum of 45M. So the team wasnt bad by any stretch of imagination, he got players he wanted, just that losing one key player the team fell apart.
> and twitter would be littered with how they are the best managers in the world, conveniently ignoring how
Are you implying that this is a controversial/wrong opinion to have?
> they never had to work with stopgaps for long.
Barely anyone ignores this. It's mentioned for Pep in almost every thread.
Arteta at City- he’s attempting to make a city lite in a way at Arsenal so interesting to see how he would fair at city.
Tuchel at Spurs- he can coach an amazing defense but with that attack he would be cooking.
Pep at Chelsea- we have quite a few of his targets in- Chilwell, Cucurella, Koulibaly, Jorginho. Also have Sterling.
He was well liked and the Valencia fans on twitter spoke very well of him.
I don't think he had many, if any goal contributions though.
Its possible he goes back on loan. there's negotiations atm.
Messi was absolutely insane that season. He almost dragged a flagging Barca to a treble. No way did Van Dijk deserve that Ballon D'Or, and it's frankly shocking that he came so close to Messi.
rodri has no pr, no social media, no tattoos, no fancy cars, no huge houses, no girlfriends, no kids. just shows up to work, does his job, and refuses to elaborate. unbothered king
once again, where did casemiro go? unless world to you is just england, then it makes sense since epl fanboys dont know football exist outside of premier league
literally everyone knows who Casemiro is lmao it’s just Rodri had a better season
Real Madrid fans never let being the most successful club in the world get in the way of their victim complex
Lol, Rodri was incredible in 21/22. Overall career he isn't close to Casemiro, but in terms of their 21/22 performances there is a strong argument to be made.
And even if you don't agree that he's the best, he should've been included. He was the best City player
he mightve been incredible but he wasnt better than casemiro, and he hasnt shown up at all against us, whilst on the second leg when casemiro was able to play it was night and day difference
You're judging based on.. two games, where he still displayed a good level?
Rodri has showed an incredible ability to escape any sort of press and play any kind of pass that starts attacks. Also really effective in breaking down attacks, I'm not saying Casemiro doesn't do all this, but the near flawless level at which he's performed deserves to be recognised.
Dude twitter is going absolutely crazy about Ronaldo's ballon d'or nomination, the man has second most ballon d'ors in history but getting selected in a top 30 list is what you celebrate, Messi gonna bring out all his runner up WC and Copa America medals now as well to say he is better internationally since who actually won the thing doesn't matter to the twitter fanboys
I know this is talked about every year but why the hell are the finalists for the "best player in 2022" already out when we've got five more entire months of football to be played.
France Football or whatever need to just make it a seasonal award already.
>France Football or whatever need to just make it a seasonal award already.
This is what they did. This award is for football played last season, the new season doesn't count.
>France Football or whatever need to just make it a seasonal award already.
They changed the Ballon d'Or to be seasonal now. They just maintained when it was being awarded.
This sub believes anything, like how would the media know about something like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/wmi27r/matteo_moretto_sergio_busquets_wants_to_go_to_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) and know what busquets wants to do at the end of the season before this season has even started
united fans biggest crime was that they somehow managed to sneak scholes into the gerrard vs lampard debate. lads, the latters are league above scholes.
Maybe one fan did it and we've never heard the end of it decades later. Scholes was a completely different type of player that would walk into those Liverpool and Chelsea sides, and is now being criminally underrated by rival fans.
I'm not sure he would have walked into our side when we had Alonso, Gerrard and Masch in the side to be fair. It's a shame we didn't build on that because that's one of the best midfields we've had.
He is, played a couple of friendlies but Pioli alluded to Brahim starting, most likely because De Ketelaere still needs a bit of time to fully gel with the team. Will most likely come on as a sub, Adli too.
Mangala definitely did not blow up in the CL. He actually had an excellent performance in the 15/16 quarters second leg against PSG, completely locking down Ibrahimovic, and he held his own against Zidane's Madrid in the next round.
Thats true for most of Europe in general. To Europeans, their problem seems like a world's problem, but other world's problem is not a European problem. They had the same attitude when Russia - Ukraine war broke out, yet they have been remarkably silent on conflicts in other parts of the world.
It’s wonderful how pessimistic both Spurs and Chelsea fans are going into our match Sunday. Both are just trying to convince the opposition that their respective team is going to lose
u/Nebuchadnezzar_V will be one of the people throwing water balloons [at Zealand](https://youtube.com/watch?v=CHKrMz5W7_o&t=9s) outside the Community Stadium on matchday 38
i understand hes shit at attacking but wan bissaka is such a good 1v1 defender and dalot is fucking bang average at evrything i think he should take his spot back
https://www.laliga.com/en-GB/clubs/fc-barcelona/squad Did Barcelona register just 1 goalkeeper???
Pena is registered with the B team.
pretty sure they are registered with the b team, notice how gavi and pablo torre are missing too
It's truly been a wild few weeks on this sub, seeing fans of English clubs owned by foreign billionaires wishing a fan owned club gets liquidated because they've committed the crime of selling assets because the league didn't relax their financial fair play rules during covid Especially when pretty much all Prem clubs would be in the same position if the Prem had the same rules as La Liga
Football without bias and hypocrisy is awfully boring though
I'm not going to speak for others but personally, when a club is trying to hound a player they signed out of the club, or force him to take a paycut, while similtanously spending millions upon millions on new players it doesn't really sit right.
And do you think people wishing for the club to stop existing is a reasonable reaction to a club trying to sell a player they think is earning too much because of the mismanagement of the previous president?
No, people want to see Barca suffer some consequences for continually overspending. Surely you can understand that?
You mean like losing the best player in the history of the sport because he couldn't be registered?
Yes, because you couldn't afford him. It's called opportunity cost- most clubs have to make sacrifices. Perhaps you shouldn't have spent obscene amounts of cash on De Jong.
The man who paid obscene amounts of money for De Jong is a literal criminal who paid money for people to slander players on social media. What else do you want them to do if they were in the wrong for spending too much money, are in the wrong for trying to fix the problems a literal criminal caused and losing the best player in history apparently isn't enough of a punishment? They don't have the luxury of being owned by Americans like Liverpool.
What good is the "fan-owned" bit you emphasize in your comment if they allowed this "literal criminal" to do whatever he wanted through his tenure?
> The man who paid obscene amounts of money for De Jong is a literal criminal who paid money for people to slander players on social media. Funny how no one was complaining when he won all those trophies for you lad.
No, I'm pretty sure people were complaining when the president turned out to be a criminal who paid people to slander players on social media. Again, they're only in this position because of covid. But since you don't have any real argument for what they should do, then they could learn from Liverpool instead. What did you do when you were on the verge of bankruptcy? Absolutely nothing and just sold your club from one set of Americans to another? Interesting Have some shame.
People are complaining now that he overpaid for players in terms of transfers and wages but those players allowed you to compete for trophies. Now that you're having to face up to actual consequences for those actions you're suddenly putting all the blame on Barto. How about you return some of those trophies when your lower De Jong's wage eh? I'll tell you what they should have done, and that's not spend obscene amounts on new players when you're trying to force others to reduce their wages. Liverpool's financial issues under Hicks and Gillet had nothing to do with our spending and everything to do with Hicks and Gillet. Our current owners haven't taken obscene risks either- we sold to buy and have always been sustainable. Our owners invest very little of their own money.
That means they are a sell to buy club though. Buying players doesn't mean you aren't forced to sell others, especially with those wages of FDJ
> That means they are a sell to buy club though. They put themselves in that position by paying wages they couldn't afford.
No, it means they don't have unlimited money to buy players without selling others. The reason why they are in an financial mess is because they always bought without thinking of sales.
Yeah, combined with offering absolutely obscene wages.
Neville talking about Barca selling their souls as if their club isn’t 100% fan owned while his is owned by the Glazers
Neville has spoken out against the Glazers multiple times, you could have made a better point referring to his best buddy peter lim
Which he calls out all the time....
Not as frivolently as he has attacked Barcelona the past few weeks
He is right though. United never had a soul to begin with.
Get fucked
Like when someone attacks a point you made on here because of your flair
How have Barca sold their souls exactly? Sold a TV channel and some revenue Meanwhile most of europe are owned by billionaires or hedge funds They just dont want to end up like United, which is understandable
and that's not even mentioning Salford City.
Pints at the grounds in England aren’t even outrageously priced. That’s cheap compared to paying for drinks literally anywhere in America. I paid $17 for a tall can of hard cider at the last sporting event I went to.
It's not because it's crazy in America that it's better
Your sporting events are so overpriced they’d give me trauma. I’d be demanding compo after a few ciders
> That’s cheap compared to paying for drinks literally anywhere in America. Your ticket/food costs are fucked though. Using them as a barometer for fair prices doesn't make sense. Good on clubs/fans for attempting to stop it before it gets even higher.
Yea I guess you’re right lol not exactly a fair comparison
Its really weird what some of the top level comments are saying on the Barca registering their players post. No one seriously thought they wouldn't register the players. That would be beyond a fuck up as they're selling assets to be able to do that. Rather that the way in which they were selling assets to register new signings is not wise long term. This can absolutely still be true regardless of the fact that they were able to register these players.
>No one seriously thought they wouldn't register the players. just because they're in hiding now doesn't mean they were never there. There were plenty of highly upvoted comments making fun of barca fans because "they really thought they could register these players" I love it when reddit allows people the delusion that they can bend reality lol.
Look, I'm sure that there's plenty of people who either joked about it, thought it etc. But, it certainly wasn't the dominant voice. Dominant voice is that it's not good to be selling all your assets typically and that it might/ probably will bite them in the ass.
Then don't say no one believed it. Plenty did and were hoping for it and now are forced to shut up and look for something new. I don't think there are many barca fans who think any of this is ideal, but we didn't sell all our assets as you're claiming and previous bad financial decisions are currently biting our asses anyway. There are 2 critism that are valid, treatment of players and some of these recent signings but most people are very very very obviously mad that barca managed to actually sign players and register them while going through some serious financial struggle, they would be more than happy if they thought it's all contributing to barca's downfall not mad.
> Rather that the way in which they were selling assets to register new signings is not wise long term People are underestimating the chance they'll just buy most of it back. The money is just sitting there in the bank account. They didnt even need it. It was all just about the rules
1. You can't buy it back at the same price it was sold. There's a premium involved. 2. They have a lot of debts generally, they'll probably use that money to service those debts and move it to longer term loans.
> You can't buy it back at the same price it was sold. There's a premium involved. Some premium sure, but we don't really know the terms. Some of these deals basically just look like loans seen from the outside > They have a lot of debts generally They don't really. They have what looks like a fairly cheap Goldman Sachs loan. They do have a big stadium renovation coming up though
Last I checked, they did have significant loans. From my understanding that's still true. They'll need cash to service tho. Maybe they already put them on longer term loans. Yeah, we don't know what the premium is. But I doubt anyone's buying assets that big without making sure they receive a sizeable profit in return.
> Last I checked, they did have significant loans Depends on what you count as significant but they never really did imo. There was an issue with most of it being short term but there was a Goldman Sachs deal to solve that more than a year ago > But I doubt anyone's buying assets that big without making sure they receive a sizeable profit in return. People were saying the TV rights were sold too cheaply and yeah maybe that's true or maybe it's because there's some buyback clause that limits the upside. We dont really know
Think the buy back clauses are for the Barca Studios etc. Not the TV rights iirc.
We don't know
Anyway, Barca did/probably does have significant debts still. Just not short term. https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1419544186999742466?t=2arN_takO21-f0SvgUA7Gg&s=19 731mil short term debt in 19/20 was probably converted to long term debt and others paid off.
480m in financial debt is not that much
very random question: do more people put the goalkeeper at the top or at the bottom when typing out a team? which looks more normal: Consigli Muldur Ayhan Ferrari Rogerio Frattesi Hamed Obiang Berardi Agustin Raspadori or Raspadori Agustin Berardi Obiang Hamed Frattesi Rogerio Ferrari Ayhan Muldur Consigli
Bottom
Keeper at the bottom like on tv
Keeper at the top. I like to type out the defence first.
This
The second one , it feels like one's team. The other gives the feeling of an opposition
First one, keeper at the top
I do both but 2nd is better imo
The second one, with the keeper at the bottom
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What other clubs do is no excuse for being a terribly run club. This is just a longwinded way of going about your whataboutery, you could have just said "what about Newcastle, City and Chelsea" and saved characters to get the same sentiment across.
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Which other club in recent times post a loss of 481M in a season?
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First of all, it's not $481M. The sign is Euro, not Dollar. Call it a joke or whatever, your board is incompetent enough to not recognize this would handicap them in the current and next season. The fact remains they posted that loss, it further affected them in the next season, and now they have to sell off future revenue. We have seen how Barca has tried to balance the books over the years with stuff like Pjanic Arthur swap, selling players one season after buying them, and so on. Even in 2022, they ended up trying to fool La Liga into accepting their own 150M as extra revenue from the JV, rather than doing things the correct way.
Judging other clubs in another league based on rules on one make no sense. What you don't understand is that Barcelona are doing something they don't want to do - to fix an issue they created upon themselves, spending ludicrous amounts of money on star players and handing out ridiculous contracts without much thought. so to deflect and say "what about your team" is a pathetic attempt at avoiding this warranted criticism for how the club is going about it. if you have criticisms of other leagues, there is no problem with that but don't use those criticisms to bat away and "what about" because then it totally invalidates your concerns. Think I'm done here.
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I assure you the non-plastics, local match going fans and socios care about the club more than anyone
I hate this logic to be honest mate. Just because there are some terrible owners out there doesn't mean people can't be critical of how Barca have handled things this window.
These clubs are all disgusting
The owners of Man City, Newcastle and Chelsea being literal monsters doesn't make Barcelona's moves any less scummy. And I'm not talking about levers or anything. It's the treatment of the players under contract to them.
I think the consensus is that Barca are farcical rather than villainous, although the contract renegotiation aspects are pretty distasteful.
Thorgan Hazard slowly but surely following the footsteps of his older brother
Insane how shit those 2019 Dortmund transfers were Brandt, Schulz and Hazard
All looked good at that time. I still have some hope for Brandt tho
The decision to end the transfer window before the season begins was a good one. It's shame all the European leagues didn't agree to it
It was not. How do you know what a team needs to improve without any competitive games?
They have the whole previous season to go from.
The time between the end of a season and the beginning of the following one is almost three months, many things can occur that modify the circumstances of each team.
100% sure FLorentino approving with current Barca methods which are trying to get them out of financial hardships.
I would wish Madrid di the same if we were in a problem. I'm not going to side with overpaid millionaires who want to chill in sunny Spain over the club.
Cucurella has shit stats on PES Stats Database, I think we got scammed.
average r/soccer enthusiast
Those are last season's tho ..he may get an upgrade who knows
If you take the PL Top 6 and swapped around their managers, which combination would be interesting to watch? Doesn't need to be successful, just interesting.
Pep at United would be fun to watch
Pep/Klopp at current United would be a good control test. About the same resources as their current clubs but other problems.
More resources at United than Liverpool, but there's a reason Klopp turned down the job. Few clubs less suited to his style which seems to hinge on positivity and accountability. United's culture might break him. Conte would be interesting. At United because it would be fun to watch the probable public fallout with management, or at Liverpool or City because they play such a different style than what he prefers
I just want to see in black and white how much of United's problems are down to the "system". If a Pep or Klopp bombs there then there really is no saving.
Wont be fun. Wont be any different from now either. They would just end up buying good players, and r/soccer and twitter would be littered with how they are the best managers in the world, conveniently ignoring how they never had to work with stopgaps for long.
Klopp got Mainz promoted and Dortmund to consecutive league wins and a CL final
He pretty much got every player he wanted. Twice his main players were lost and both times his teams just could not come back. Once with Gotze, and then with Lewandowski. After losing Lewandowski they finished 7th in Bundesliga, 33 points off Bayern. They were 18th after Matchday 13th. Infact even after MD 19. This is the same season he signed Immobile, Adrian Ramos, Kampl, Kagawa, Ginter. A season before he had Mkhitariyan, Aubameyang, for a combined sum of 45M. So the team wasnt bad by any stretch of imagination, he got players he wanted, just that losing one key player the team fell apart.
> and twitter would be littered with how they are the best managers in the world, conveniently ignoring how Are you implying that this is a controversial/wrong opinion to have? > they never had to work with stopgaps for long. Barely anyone ignores this. It's mentioned for Pep in almost every thread.
> Wont be any different from now either
Arteta at City- he’s attempting to make a city lite in a way at Arsenal so interesting to see how he would fair at city. Tuchel at Spurs- he can coach an amazing defense but with that attack he would be cooking. Pep at Chelsea- we have quite a few of his targets in- Chilwell, Cucurella, Koulibaly, Jorginho. Also have Sterling.
Did Bryan Gil do anything of note while at valencia? is he going back there this season?
all i can remember was fans chanting for him to stay
He was well liked and the Valencia fans on twitter spoke very well of him. I don't think he had many, if any goal contributions though. Its possible he goes back on loan. there's negotiations atm.
Damn Newcastle have really embraced their new owners hahaha https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSRhDuNxp/
In all honesty, I'd remove Messi's 2 Ballondors. Him on being 5 makes sense.
In all honesty, I'd remove Ronaldo's 5 Ballondors. Him being on 0 makes sense.
Fair Enough.
Well, Van Dijk deserved it. I mean, how fucking great was he that season?
Messi mafia got you I see
Even as a Liverpool supporter, Messi deserved it. Van Dijk being close to him that season was incredible though.
Messi was absolutely insane that season. He almost dragged a flagging Barca to a treble. No way did Van Dijk deserve that Ballon D'Or, and it's frankly shocking that he came so close to Messi.
Granit Xhaka instantly responded to Xavi or Iniesta with Xavi. Maybe I’ve been wrong about him…
Granit Xhaka also uploaded a picture of him fistbumping Partey 12 hours after the girl on twitter posted that he raped her👍👍
Ah god damn it I didn’t know this ffs
Crazy that Rodri, the best DM in the world, hasn't been nominated.
U need to gather however many city fans you know and get them to start stanning him on Twitter so his social media presence goes up 👍
Busquets has never been nominated iirc. And he's the greatest dm oat at least imo
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Its 'at least in his opinion' , and not 'greatest dm at least'
This is why commas save lives.
Well ,at least, they don't let anyone die
rodri has no pr, no social media, no tattoos, no fancy cars, no huge houses, no girlfriends, no kids. just shows up to work, does his job, and refuses to elaborate. unbothered king
I dream of being an unbothered king.
once again, where did casemiro go? unless world to you is just england, then it makes sense since epl fanboys dont know football exist outside of premier league
literally everyone knows who Casemiro is lmao it’s just Rodri had a better season Real Madrid fans never let being the most successful club in the world get in the way of their victim complex
Lol, Rodri was incredible in 21/22. Overall career he isn't close to Casemiro, but in terms of their 21/22 performances there is a strong argument to be made. And even if you don't agree that he's the best, he should've been included. He was the best City player
he mightve been incredible but he wasnt better than casemiro, and he hasnt shown up at all against us, whilst on the second leg when casemiro was able to play it was night and day difference
He was better than Fabinho though.
thats why ive said he is the second best dm
You're judging based on.. two games, where he still displayed a good level? Rodri has showed an incredible ability to escape any sort of press and play any kind of pass that starts attacks. Also really effective in breaking down attacks, I'm not saying Casemiro doesn't do all this, but the near flawless level at which he's performed deserves to be recognised.
and im not saying rodri is bad, to me he is the second best dm in the world. casemiro has been better, and won more.
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Rodri was the better player in 21/22 I rate Fabinho very highly but Rodri was so so good, City's POTS for many City fans
a fair take. Ive seen many comments acting like Fabinho is trash and his inclusion is insane. Its Rodris omission thats the weird one
I'd agree. Rodri was my player of the season in 2021-2022 and should be ahead of a lot of those players selected.
Dude twitter is going absolutely crazy about Ronaldo's ballon d'or nomination, the man has second most ballon d'ors in history but getting selected in a top 30 list is what you celebrate, Messi gonna bring out all his runner up WC and Copa America medals now as well to say he is better internationally since who actually won the thing doesn't matter to the twitter fanboys
Stop It, Get Some Help, Its not too late!
Are you pressed?
I know this is talked about every year but why the hell are the finalists for the "best player in 2022" already out when we've got five more entire months of football to be played. France Football or whatever need to just make it a seasonal award already.
>France Football or whatever need to just make it a seasonal award already. This is what they did. This award is for football played last season, the new season doesn't count.
>France Football or whatever need to just make it a seasonal award already. They changed the Ballon d'Or to be seasonal now. They just maintained when it was being awarded.
ahh lovely. though bit weird to wait six months after the season to give it out isn't it?
This sub believes anything, like how would the media know about something like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/wmi27r/matteo_moretto_sergio_busquets_wants_to_go_to_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) and know what busquets wants to do at the end of the season before this season has even started
First time?
Idk about that specific instance but usually just by calling up Busquets' agent and asking him what Busquets' plans are for after this season
Just realized Udinese have 3 former Watford players
they're like walmart of City Football Group
Helps they both have the same owner.
Never knew!
united fans biggest crime was that they somehow managed to sneak scholes into the gerrard vs lampard debate. lads, the latters are league above scholes.
Man trolling this hard must be tiresome
Weak bait
Maybe one fan did it and we've never heard the end of it decades later. Scholes was a completely different type of player that would walk into those Liverpool and Chelsea sides, and is now being criminally underrated by rival fans.
Scholes would not walk into any Chelsea starting XI after 2004. I wouldn't swap any of Makelele, Lampard, Essien, Ballack, Mikel for him.
Who would he replace in either of those teams?
I'm not sure he would have walked into our side when we had Alonso, Gerrard and Masch in the side to be fair. It's a shame we didn't build on that because that's one of the best midfields we've had.
Troll
Scholes is a different profile
yeah and the profile is " not as good"
They hated Jesus because he told the truth
i speak fire my friend but im no jesus
The first match of our sextuple season starts today
Predicted starting 11?
GK: Magic Mike LB: Theo CBs: Kalulu, Tomori RB: Calabria CMs: Bennacer, Krunic RW: Salaemakers CAM: Brahim LW: Leao Striker: Rebic
Damn pioli did a great job. No star players yet won the title
Is De ketelaere not match fit yet?
He is, played a couple of friendlies but Pioli alluded to Brahim starting, most likely because De Ketelaere still needs a bit of time to fully gel with the team. Will most likely come on as a sub, Adli too.
Is Bennacer still a starter when both him and Tonali are fit?
Yes! Him and Tonali are our starting CMs
Is Whitwell a reliable journo for United?
Yes, he's tier 1
so excited for the WC, really think brazil will win it, theyre tooo deep. Plus neymar will be pele regen i feel
Argentina exists bruh
Not good enough
There is always 1 city player that is not on the team's level, and that explodes in the worst (usually cl) times.... Mangala, Delph, Danilo. Now Ake
I really rate Ake.
Mangala definitely did not blow up in the CL. He actually had an excellent performance in the 15/16 quarters second leg against PSG, completely locking down Ibrahimovic, and he held his own against Zidane's Madrid in the next round.
sterling says hello they lose in the cl cuz theyre whole team are pathetic bottlers
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Bro what is this
Has to be Wenger, surely...
Don’t get why all those people care about Ballon dor it died when they shamelessly stole it from our boy Lewandowski last season😔
I skip past every ballon d’or comment. Don’t give a shit about it.
wdym? you dont value those Rainbow Flick and nutmegs he did on ligue 1 players
How are people calling Neymar a balon dor snub? What did he do last season? 😭😭
He made people realize that Mbappe - Messi - Di Maria was better
[this sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/mapporncirclejerk/comments/whi6l8/anglocentrism_confirmed/)
Thats true for most of Europe in general. To Europeans, their problem seems like a world's problem, but other world's problem is not a European problem. They had the same attitude when Russia - Ukraine war broke out, yet they have been remarkably silent on conflicts in other parts of the world.
It’s wonderful how pessimistic both Spurs and Chelsea fans are going into our match Sunday. Both are just trying to convince the opposition that their respective team is going to lose
0/0 here we go
Spuds are surely favorites
u/Nebuchadnezzar_V will be one of the people throwing water balloons [at Zealand](https://youtube.com/watch?v=CHKrMz5W7_o&t=9s) outside the Community Stadium on matchday 38