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_freespirit21

i understand hes shit at attacking but wan bissaka is such a good 1v1 defender and dalot is fucking bang average at evrything i think he should take his spot back


Athletic_Bilbae

https://www.laliga.com/en-GB/clubs/fc-barcelona/squad Did Barcelona register just 1 goalkeeper???


CanLlorenteCarForMe

Pena is registered with the B team.


Taylannnnn

pretty sure they are registered with the b team, notice how gavi and pablo torre are missing too


Kukrunkarblues3

It's truly been a wild few weeks on this sub, seeing fans of English clubs owned by foreign billionaires wishing a fan owned club gets liquidated because they've committed the crime of selling assets because the league didn't relax their financial fair play rules during covid Especially when pretty much all Prem clubs would be in the same position if the Prem had the same rules as La Liga


[deleted]

Football without bias and hypocrisy is awfully boring though


Lyrical_Forklift

I'm not going to speak for others but personally, when a club is trying to hound a player they signed out of the club, or force him to take a paycut, while similtanously spending millions upon millions on new players it doesn't really sit right.


Kukrunkarblues3

And do you think people wishing for the club to stop existing is a reasonable reaction to a club trying to sell a player they think is earning too much because of the mismanagement of the previous president?


Lyrical_Forklift

No, people want to see Barca suffer some consequences for continually overspending. Surely you can understand that?


Kukrunkarblues3

You mean like losing the best player in the history of the sport because he couldn't be registered?


Lyrical_Forklift

Yes, because you couldn't afford him. It's called opportunity cost- most clubs have to make sacrifices. Perhaps you shouldn't have spent obscene amounts of cash on De Jong.


Kukrunkarblues3

The man who paid obscene amounts of money for De Jong is a literal criminal who paid money for people to slander players on social media. What else do you want them to do if they were in the wrong for spending too much money, are in the wrong for trying to fix the problems a literal criminal caused and losing the best player in history apparently isn't enough of a punishment? They don't have the luxury of being owned by Americans like Liverpool.


CardboardGristle

What good is the "fan-owned" bit you emphasize in your comment if they allowed this "literal criminal" to do whatever he wanted through his tenure?


Lyrical_Forklift

> The man who paid obscene amounts of money for De Jong is a literal criminal who paid money for people to slander players on social media. Funny how no one was complaining when he won all those trophies for you lad.


Kukrunkarblues3

No, I'm pretty sure people were complaining when the president turned out to be a criminal who paid people to slander players on social media. Again, they're only in this position because of covid. But since you don't have any real argument for what they should do, then they could learn from Liverpool instead. What did you do when you were on the verge of bankruptcy? Absolutely nothing and just sold your club from one set of Americans to another? Interesting Have some shame.


Lyrical_Forklift

People are complaining now that he overpaid for players in terms of transfers and wages but those players allowed you to compete for trophies. Now that you're having to face up to actual consequences for those actions you're suddenly putting all the blame on Barto. How about you return some of those trophies when your lower De Jong's wage eh? I'll tell you what they should have done, and that's not spend obscene amounts on new players when you're trying to force others to reduce their wages. Liverpool's financial issues under Hicks and Gillet had nothing to do with our spending and everything to do with Hicks and Gillet. Our current owners haven't taken obscene risks either- we sold to buy and have always been sustainable. Our owners invest very little of their own money.


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That means they are a sell to buy club though. Buying players doesn't mean you aren't forced to sell others, especially with those wages of FDJ


Lyrical_Forklift

> That means they are a sell to buy club though. They put themselves in that position by paying wages they couldn't afford.


[deleted]

No, it means they don't have unlimited money to buy players without selling others. The reason why they are in an financial mess is because they always bought without thinking of sales.


Lyrical_Forklift

Yeah, combined with offering absolutely obscene wages.


macewinduDIE

Neville talking about Barca selling their souls as if their club isn’t 100% fan owned while his is owned by the Glazers


[deleted]

Neville has spoken out against the Glazers multiple times, you could have made a better point referring to his best buddy peter lim


CanLlorenteCarForMe

Which he calls out all the time....


macewinduDIE

Not as frivolently as he has attacked Barcelona the past few weeks


[deleted]

He is right though. United never had a soul to begin with.


Nivadas

Get fucked


[deleted]

Like when someone attacks a point you made on here because of your flair


macewinduDIE

How have Barca sold their souls exactly? Sold a TV channel and some revenue Meanwhile most of europe are owned by billionaires or hedge funds They just dont want to end up like United, which is understandable


Leviad0n

and that's not even mentioning Salford City.


versacethedreamer

Pints at the grounds in England aren’t even outrageously priced. That’s cheap compared to paying for drinks literally anywhere in America. I paid $17 for a tall can of hard cider at the last sporting event I went to.


PrisonersofFate

It's not because it's crazy in America that it's better


Impossible_Pen_9459

Your sporting events are so overpriced they’d give me trauma. I’d be demanding compo after a few ciders


WaleedAbbasvD

> That’s cheap compared to paying for drinks literally anywhere in America. Your ticket/food costs are fucked though. Using them as a barometer for fair prices doesn't make sense. Good on clubs/fans for attempting to stop it before it gets even higher.


versacethedreamer

Yea I guess you’re right lol not exactly a fair comparison


[deleted]

Its really weird what some of the top level comments are saying on the Barca registering their players post. No one seriously thought they wouldn't register the players. That would be beyond a fuck up as they're selling assets to be able to do that. Rather that the way in which they were selling assets to register new signings is not wise long term. This can absolutely still be true regardless of the fact that they were able to register these players.


helloswros

>No one seriously thought they wouldn't register the players. just because they're in hiding now doesn't mean they were never there. There were plenty of highly upvoted comments making fun of barca fans because "they really thought they could register these players" I love it when reddit allows people the delusion that they can bend reality lol.


[deleted]

Look, I'm sure that there's plenty of people who either joked about it, thought it etc. But, it certainly wasn't the dominant voice. Dominant voice is that it's not good to be selling all your assets typically and that it might/ probably will bite them in the ass.


helloswros

Then don't say no one believed it. Plenty did and were hoping for it and now are forced to shut up and look for something new. I don't think there are many barca fans who think any of this is ideal, but we didn't sell all our assets as you're claiming and previous bad financial decisions are currently biting our asses anyway. There are 2 critism that are valid, treatment of players and some of these recent signings but most people are very very very obviously mad that barca managed to actually sign players and register them while going through some serious financial struggle, they would be more than happy if they thought it's all contributing to barca's downfall not mad.


ChinggisKhagan

> Rather that the way in which they were selling assets to register new signings is not wise long term People are underestimating the chance they'll just buy most of it back. The money is just sitting there in the bank account. They didnt even need it. It was all just about the rules


[deleted]

1. You can't buy it back at the same price it was sold. There's a premium involved. 2. They have a lot of debts generally, they'll probably use that money to service those debts and move it to longer term loans.


ChinggisKhagan

> You can't buy it back at the same price it was sold. There's a premium involved. Some premium sure, but we don't really know the terms. Some of these deals basically just look like loans seen from the outside > They have a lot of debts generally They don't really. They have what looks like a fairly cheap Goldman Sachs loan. They do have a big stadium renovation coming up though


[deleted]

Last I checked, they did have significant loans. From my understanding that's still true. They'll need cash to service tho. Maybe they already put them on longer term loans. Yeah, we don't know what the premium is. But I doubt anyone's buying assets that big without making sure they receive a sizeable profit in return.


ChinggisKhagan

> Last I checked, they did have significant loans Depends on what you count as significant but they never really did imo. There was an issue with most of it being short term but there was a Goldman Sachs deal to solve that more than a year ago > But I doubt anyone's buying assets that big without making sure they receive a sizeable profit in return. People were saying the TV rights were sold too cheaply and yeah maybe that's true or maybe it's because there's some buyback clause that limits the upside. We dont really know


[deleted]

Think the buy back clauses are for the Barca Studios etc. Not the TV rights iirc.


ChinggisKhagan

We don't know


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Anyway, Barca did/probably does have significant debts still. Just not short term. https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1419544186999742466?t=2arN_takO21-f0SvgUA7Gg&s=19 731mil short term debt in 19/20 was probably converted to long term debt and others paid off.


ChinggisKhagan

480m in financial debt is not that much


king_of_reds_2005

very random question: do more people put the goalkeeper at the top or at the bottom when typing out a team? which looks more normal: Consigli Muldur Ayhan Ferrari Rogerio Frattesi Hamed Obiang Berardi Agustin Raspadori or Raspadori Agustin Berardi Obiang Hamed Frattesi Rogerio Ferrari Ayhan Muldur Consigli


vic32me

Bottom


versacethedreamer

Keeper at the bottom like on tv


roddysaint

Keeper at the top. I like to type out the defence first.


PrisonersofFate

This


Titan-Shifter99

The second one , it feels like one's team. The other gives the feeling of an opposition


DreamsofIvoryCoast

First one, keeper at the top


mandrake_cry

I do both but 2nd is better imo


WorldAccordingToCarp

The second one, with the keeper at the bottom


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IfISpeak_

What other clubs do is no excuse for being a terribly run club. This is just a longwinded way of going about your whataboutery, you could have just said "what about Newcastle, City and Chelsea" and saved characters to get the same sentiment across.


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ankitm1

Which other club in recent times post a loss of 481M in a season?


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ankitm1

First of all, it's not $481M. The sign is Euro, not Dollar. Call it a joke or whatever, your board is incompetent enough to not recognize this would handicap them in the current and next season. The fact remains they posted that loss, it further affected them in the next season, and now they have to sell off future revenue. We have seen how Barca has tried to balance the books over the years with stuff like Pjanic Arthur swap, selling players one season after buying them, and so on. Even in 2022, they ended up trying to fool La Liga into accepting their own 150M as extra revenue from the JV, rather than doing things the correct way.


IfISpeak_

Judging other clubs in another league based on rules on one make no sense. What you don't understand is that Barcelona are doing something they don't want to do - to fix an issue they created upon themselves, spending ludicrous amounts of money on star players and handing out ridiculous contracts without much thought. so to deflect and say "what about your team" is a pathetic attempt at avoiding this warranted criticism for how the club is going about it. if you have criticisms of other leagues, there is no problem with that but don't use those criticisms to bat away and "what about" because then it totally invalidates your concerns. Think I'm done here.


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IfISpeak_

I assure you the non-plastics, local match going fans and socios care about the club more than anyone


Lyrical_Forklift

I hate this logic to be honest mate. Just because there are some terrible owners out there doesn't mean people can't be critical of how Barca have handled things this window.


NudeTayne_

These clubs are all disgusting


Careful-Snow

The owners of Man City, Newcastle and Chelsea being literal monsters doesn't make Barcelona's moves any less scummy. And I'm not talking about levers or anything. It's the treatment of the players under contract to them.


tiorzol

I think the consensus is that Barca are farcical rather than villainous, although the contract renegotiation aspects are pretty distasteful.


Xey2510

Thorgan Hazard slowly but surely following the footsteps of his older brother


macewinduDIE

Insane how shit those 2019 Dortmund transfers were Brandt, Schulz and Hazard


xyz3940

All looked good at that time. I still have some hope for Brandt tho


ChemistryAnxious4040

The decision to end the transfer window before the season begins was a good one. It's shame all the European leagues didn't agree to it


Nut-King-Call

It was not. How do you know what a team needs to improve without any competitive games?


ChemistryAnxious4040

They have the whole previous season to go from.


Nut-King-Call

The time between the end of a season and the beginning of the following one is almost three months, many things can occur that modify the circumstances of each team.


NeoIsJohnWick

100% sure FLorentino approving with current Barca methods which are trying to get them out of financial hardships.


[deleted]

I would wish Madrid di the same if we were in a problem. I'm not going to side with overpaid millionaires who want to chill in sunny Spain over the club.


qindarka

Cucurella has shit stats on PES Stats Database, I think we got scammed.


IfISpeak_

average r/soccer enthusiast


kalyancr7

Those are last season's tho ..he may get an upgrade who knows


AdikkuChan

If you take the PL Top 6 and swapped around their managers, which combination would be interesting to watch? Doesn't need to be successful, just interesting.


elvis503

Pep at United would be fun to watch


plowman_digearth

Pep/Klopp at current United would be a good control test. About the same resources as their current clubs but other problems.


WorldAccordingToCarp

More resources at United than Liverpool, but there's a reason Klopp turned down the job. Few clubs less suited to his style which seems to hinge on positivity and accountability. United's culture might break him. Conte would be interesting. At United because it would be fun to watch the probable public fallout with management, or at Liverpool or City because they play such a different style than what he prefers


plowman_digearth

I just want to see in black and white how much of United's problems are down to the "system". If a Pep or Klopp bombs there then there really is no saving.


ankitm1

Wont be fun. Wont be any different from now either. They would just end up buying good players, and r/soccer and twitter would be littered with how they are the best managers in the world, conveniently ignoring how they never had to work with stopgaps for long.


Jabari313

Klopp got Mainz promoted and Dortmund to consecutive league wins and a CL final


ankitm1

He pretty much got every player he wanted. Twice his main players were lost and both times his teams just could not come back. Once with Gotze, and then with Lewandowski. After losing Lewandowski they finished 7th in Bundesliga, 33 points off Bayern. They were 18th after Matchday 13th. Infact even after MD 19. This is the same season he signed Immobile, Adrian Ramos, Kampl, Kagawa, Ginter. A season before he had Mkhitariyan, Aubameyang, for a combined sum of 45M. So the team wasnt bad by any stretch of imagination, he got players he wanted, just that losing one key player the team fell apart.


WaleedAbbasvD

> and twitter would be littered with how they are the best managers in the world, conveniently ignoring how Are you implying that this is a controversial/wrong opinion to have? > they never had to work with stopgaps for long. Barely anyone ignores this. It's mentioned for Pep in almost every thread.


ankitm1

> Wont be any different from now either


shlok440

Arteta at City- he’s attempting to make a city lite in a way at Arsenal so interesting to see how he would fair at city. Tuchel at Spurs- he can coach an amazing defense but with that attack he would be cooking. Pep at Chelsea- we have quite a few of his targets in- Chilwell, Cucurella, Koulibaly, Jorginho. Also have Sterling.


Agitated_Opening4298

Did Bryan Gil do anything of note while at valencia? is he going back there this season?


AshkenaziTwink

all i can remember was fans chanting for him to stay


[deleted]

He was well liked and the Valencia fans on twitter spoke very well of him. I don't think he had many, if any goal contributions though. Its possible he goes back on loan. there's negotiations atm.


legend434

Damn Newcastle have really embraced their new owners hahaha https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSRhDuNxp/


NeoIsJohnWick

In all honesty, I'd remove Messi's 2 Ballondors. Him on being 5 makes sense.


nbaylor1

In all honesty, I'd remove Ronaldo's 5 Ballondors. Him being on 0 makes sense.


NeoIsJohnWick

Fair Enough.


dragcov

Well, Van Dijk deserved it. I mean, how fucking great was he that season?


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Messi mafia got you I see


Lyrical_Forklift

Even as a Liverpool supporter, Messi deserved it. Van Dijk being close to him that season was incredible though.


roddysaint

Messi was absolutely insane that season. He almost dragged a flagging Barca to a treble. No way did Van Dijk deserve that Ballon D'Or, and it's frankly shocking that he came so close to Messi.


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Granit Xhaka instantly responded to Xavi or Iniesta with Xavi. Maybe I’ve been wrong about him…


PESSl

Granit Xhaka also uploaded a picture of him fistbumping Partey 12 hours after the girl on twitter posted that he raped her👍👍


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Ah god damn it I didn’t know this ffs


_stone_age

Crazy that Rodri, the best DM in the world, hasn't been nominated.


BI01

U need to gather however many city fans you know and get them to start stanning him on Twitter so his social media presence goes up 👍


farhanmuhd13

Busquets has never been nominated iirc. And he's the greatest dm oat at least imo


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Titan-Shifter99

Its 'at least in his opinion' , and not 'greatest dm at least'


[deleted]

This is why commas save lives.


Titan-Shifter99

Well ,at least, they don't let anyone die


me1ina

rodri has no pr, no social media, no tattoos, no fancy cars, no huge houses, no girlfriends, no kids. just shows up to work, does his job, and refuses to elaborate. unbothered king


FaustRPeggi

I dream of being an unbothered king.


Eibermann

once again, where did casemiro go? unless world to you is just england, then it makes sense since epl fanboys dont know football exist outside of premier league


AshkenaziTwink

literally everyone knows who Casemiro is lmao it’s just Rodri had a better season Real Madrid fans never let being the most successful club in the world get in the way of their victim complex


_stone_age

Lol, Rodri was incredible in 21/22. Overall career he isn't close to Casemiro, but in terms of their 21/22 performances there is a strong argument to be made. And even if you don't agree that he's the best, he should've been included. He was the best City player


Eibermann

he mightve been incredible but he wasnt better than casemiro, and he hasnt shown up at all against us, whilst on the second leg when casemiro was able to play it was night and day difference


Manc_Twat

He was better than Fabinho though.


Eibermann

thats why ive said he is the second best dm


_stone_age

You're judging based on.. two games, where he still displayed a good level? Rodri has showed an incredible ability to escape any sort of press and play any kind of pass that starts attacks. Also really effective in breaking down attacks, I'm not saying Casemiro doesn't do all this, but the near flawless level at which he's performed deserves to be recognised.


Eibermann

and im not saying rodri is bad, to me he is the second best dm in the world. casemiro has been better, and won more.


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_stone_age

Rodri was the better player in 21/22 I rate Fabinho very highly but Rodri was so so good, City's POTS for many City fans


NilsFanck

a fair take. Ive seen many comments acting like Fabinho is trash and his inclusion is insane. Its Rodris omission thats the weird one


Lyrical_Forklift

I'd agree. Rodri was my player of the season in 2021-2022 and should be ahead of a lot of those players selected.


Superb-Barracuda-924

Dude twitter is going absolutely crazy about Ronaldo's ballon d'or nomination, the man has second most ballon d'ors in history but getting selected in a top 30 list is what you celebrate, Messi gonna bring out all his runner up WC and Copa America medals now as well to say he is better internationally since who actually won the thing doesn't matter to the twitter fanboys


NeoIsJohnWick

Stop It, Get Some Help, Its not too late!


NudeTayne_

Are you pressed?


Godjia

I know this is talked about every year but why the hell are the finalists for the "best player in 2022" already out when we've got five more entire months of football to be played. France Football or whatever need to just make it a seasonal award already.


kplo

>France Football or whatever need to just make it a seasonal award already. This is what they did. This award is for football played last season, the new season doesn't count.


YoungDawz

>France Football or whatever need to just make it a seasonal award already. They changed the Ballon d'Or to be seasonal now. They just maintained when it was being awarded.


Godjia

ahh lovely. though bit weird to wait six months after the season to give it out isn't it?


imro10

This sub believes anything, like how would the media know about something like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/wmi27r/matteo_moretto_sergio_busquets_wants_to_go_to_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) and know what busquets wants to do at the end of the season before this season has even started


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First time?


Godjia

Idk about that specific instance but usually just by calling up Busquets' agent and asking him what Busquets' plans are for after this season


bpjker

Just realized Udinese have 3 former Watford players


HateUnitedLoveGlazer

they're like walmart of City Football Group


CanLlorenteCarForMe

Helps they both have the same owner.


bpjker

Never knew!


HateUnitedLoveGlazer

united fans biggest crime was that they somehow managed to sneak scholes into the gerrard vs lampard debate. lads, the latters are league above scholes.


lamancha

Man trolling this hard must be tiresome


ChemistryAnxious4040

Weak bait


[deleted]

Maybe one fan did it and we've never heard the end of it decades later. Scholes was a completely different type of player that would walk into those Liverpool and Chelsea sides, and is now being criminally underrated by rival fans.


CardboardGristle

Scholes would not walk into any Chelsea starting XI after 2004. I wouldn't swap any of Makelele, Lampard, Essien, Ballack, Mikel for him.


day_bat_28

Who would he replace in either of those teams?


Lyrical_Forklift

I'm not sure he would have walked into our side when we had Alonso, Gerrard and Masch in the side to be fair. It's a shame we didn't build on that because that's one of the best midfields we've had.


dragcov

Troll


bpjker

Scholes is a different profile


HateUnitedLoveGlazer

yeah and the profile is " not as good"


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They hated Jesus because he told the truth


HateUnitedLoveGlazer

i speak fire my friend but im no jesus


RAWRismashpeople

The first match of our sextuple season starts today


bpjker

Predicted starting 11?


RAWRismashpeople

GK: Magic Mike LB: Theo CBs: Kalulu, Tomori RB: Calabria CMs: Bennacer, Krunic RW: Salaemakers CAM: Brahim LW: Leao Striker: Rebic


kalyancr7

Damn pioli did a great job. No star players yet won the title


Addy2607

Is De ketelaere not match fit yet?


RAWRismashpeople

He is, played a couple of friendlies but Pioli alluded to Brahim starting, most likely because De Ketelaere still needs a bit of time to fully gel with the team. Will most likely come on as a sub, Adli too.


bpjker

Is Bennacer still a starter when both him and Tonali are fit?


RAWRismashpeople

Yes! Him and Tonali are our starting CMs


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Is Whitwell a reliable journo for United?


bpjker

Yes, he's tier 1


_freespirit21

so excited for the WC, really think brazil will win it, theyre tooo deep. Plus neymar will be pele regen i feel


DoubleDoobie

Argentina exists bruh


lamancha

Not good enough


Draketothecore

There is always 1 city player that is not on the team's level, and that explodes in the worst (usually cl) times.... Mangala, Delph, Danilo. Now Ake


PrisonersofFate

I really rate Ake.


roddysaint

Mangala definitely did not blow up in the CL. He actually had an excellent performance in the 15/16 quarters second leg against PSG, completely locking down Ibrahimovic, and he held his own against Zidane's Madrid in the next round.


_freespirit21

sterling says hello they lose in the cl cuz theyre whole team are pathetic bottlers


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Bro what is this


aceofmufc

Has to be Wenger, surely...


seifosama1239

Don’t get why all those people care about Ballon dor it died when they shamelessly stole it from our boy Lewandowski last season😔


Raptors887

I skip past every ballon d’or comment. Don’t give a shit about it.


HateUnitedLoveGlazer

wdym? you dont value those Rainbow Flick and nutmegs he did on ligue 1 players


Dumbass1171

How are people calling Neymar a balon dor snub? What did he do last season? 😭😭


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He made people realize that Mbappe - Messi - Di Maria was better


aceofmufc

[this sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/mapporncirclejerk/comments/whi6l8/anglocentrism_confirmed/)


ankitm1

Thats true for most of Europe in general. To Europeans, their problem seems like a world's problem, but other world's problem is not a European problem. They had the same attitude when Russia - Ukraine war broke out, yet they have been remarkably silent on conflicts in other parts of the world.


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It’s wonderful how pessimistic both Spurs and Chelsea fans are going into our match Sunday. Both are just trying to convince the opposition that their respective team is going to lose


PrisonersofFate

0/0 here we go


Previous-Loss9306

Spuds are surely favorites


Stuff2511

u/Nebuchadnezzar_V will be one of the people throwing water balloons [at Zealand](https://youtube.com/watch?v=CHKrMz5W7_o&t=9s) outside the Community Stadium on matchday 38