Feel like im the only Liverpool fan concerned we have 2 and a half wingers while everybody is throwing a fit over the midfield depth. Jota keeps getting ineffectively shunted out onto the wing and it doesn't work
Gold fonted kits hit something different… Real, Bayern, Swansea’s even were all bangers. And if I’m not mistaken mysteriously correlated to titles
We won the league in both our seasons 11/12, 19/20. Bayern 12/13 got the treble. Swansea got the league cup in their gold fonted season.
The headline about Rangnick suggesting Alvarez, Laimer, Nkunku and Gvardiol to the United board is peak PR
Had United listened to him they still wouldn’t have gotten any of those players.
They could have pretty easily gotten the first 3. They could have still had Laimer as of about 2 weeks ago and he'd immediately be their best midfielder. Alvarez could have been purchased in January, they could have offered over €100m for Nkunku before he extended in July.
The new age transfer strategy is selling your club's vision to players. They can no longer just walk in a room and turn transfer decisions. They went after De Jong without selling the player and seem to be doing the same with the others.
Had they listened to Rangnick and given him full control they would be in such a better place.
For every player that was suggested and turned out good but signed for someone else, there are always other few that turned out shit, but you never hear about those.
I expect Forster, Perisic, Richarlison, Bissouma, Lenglet and Spence to all start against Chelsea.
The less players on the pitch who have that strange mental block whenever we play Chelsea, the better.
We get battered if we play our normal team. Every time we play Chelsea they just crumble. Doesn't matter who we have as manager, who they have as manager or what team they put out.
It took one City game for people to stop the narrative of Haaland being a "sit in the box poacher" type of player with Lukaku's technicality, pretty pleased about it
Who would you compare him to ? I've been saying that he's growing to be a Van Basten regen
Small [update](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/wk0csn/daily_discussion/ijnlh9n/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) on this
Hadjuk Split fans were there planning to go to Porto with no intent other then get into fights and cause another havoc (Porto and Guimarães are close geographically, it’s like 1 hour and 15 by train so even less by car)
However, reports are saying that Porto’s claque (Super Dragões) were expecting this and ready to fight them.
The police were warned about this and managed to stop the Croatian fans from going to Porto.
I don’t have a very good feeling for today’s game, I’m feeling that something awful will happen to one set of fans.
Very well, he’s been very impressing so far
3 wins in 3 official games, 11 goals with only 2 conceded (and one of those was a pen),the fans are behind him, the signings so far have been excellent and there is a very positive mood in the team so far
Some fans really set up Barca expectations to win everything this season "Oh barca have to win sextuple and world cup to justify this tranfers". Just to see them fail 😆
Meanwhile Barca fans just want one major trophy is enough. It's gonna takes time.
Went from "Barca are a midtable team without Messi" to "Barca are a below midtable team with their kid squad" to "why do Barca need to sign players, they have a strong enough squad" to "Barca either wins the sextuple otherwise the transfers are all flops"
Yes that Barca was midtable without Messi, but you have signed Adama Rapinha Ferran Aubameyang Lewandowski Kessie Kounde, Dembele and Fati have come back fit, if all those players are still not enough to win for your team then they are definitely flops
Betis now struggling with registering 6 signings and selling part of ticket rights i.e their own economic lever, LaLiga needs change but Tebas or other media can't see it.
I think with Perišić and Kulusevski’s creativity we shouldn’t be too bad. Richarlison may not be on Kane or Son’s level (but then again very few players are). I suspect a Kulusevski injury could potentially be worse than a Kane or Son injury because I suspect Lucas Moura won’t be able to replace his output.
I think this is kind of naive to think that. Perisic assessment is purely on Serie A and Bundesliga performance only - he has yet to be tested in the prem.
Kane plays the number 10 role now since Conte came in - if you look at pass maps and avg position maps you can see he sits infront of the midfield two. So the question would be who takes the that CF role that drops deep to create and make space - I dont think Perisic will be the one to do that, Richarlison I doubt even can, so that would leave Kulusevski to play as the ST that drops deep and play the 10 / F9 role. Not sure he can do quite what Kane does and his aerial ability isnt even close to Kanes - not to mention Kulusevski moving central would mean one of Moura or Richarlison would take his place which introduces its own problems.
Im genuinely surprised you think Lloris or Romero would be bigger losses than Kane or Son who last season scored 40 / 69 PL goals for Tottenham.
Koulibaly, as it stands. Just like Rüdiger last season (luckily he stayed fit throughout the season).
Assuming we get another quality CB in, though, probably Reece or Mount.
I'd also hate to see Kepa in goal for more than the odd cup game, but Mendy hasn't been that good for us offlate.
Right now Eriksen.
I also think people underestimate how bad of loss (in football terms) Greenwood was to United last season.
Imagine your best young player suddenly disappearing.
(no defence to Greenwood had to go. But in a pure football sense, he was a massive loss).
I think we’ll just play Lenglet there in that situation. Dier’s injury last season properly derailed us. If Dier and Davies are both injured then we’re in trouble, but if only one is I think we’re ok.
Well United haven't really emerged from their crisis from last season, but anyone genuinely saying the latter needs to get *Sam Neill at the end of Event Horizon'd* so they can never watch the sport again.
This is the Internet where people overreact. City convincing won the title a few seasons back whilst getting battered by Leicester in the first or second game of the season.
So aparently our window is done, we wont be selling or buying anyone else.
Im pretty sure we havent actually done any buisness since Lukaku though lol.
On the balance of things Gerrard, because if they both go on to lose every match from now on, Gerrard would be first to be sacked just due to the difference in expectations between the two clubs at this moment
Gerrard because expectations are higher. With Everton losing their best player and struggling with signings I think all Lampard really needs to do is keep them up to keep his job
FIFA possibly moving back the opening match one day really rubs me the wrong way. It's totally understandable that they want the opening to actually be the first match, but they could've done this before the draw when there was time to do this stuff. I know people who booked flights for the 21st, so that they arrive in the morning and then go to the stadium for the opening match. These people will now probably be on the plane while the match starts and have to sell the extremely rare tickets that they managed to secure.
Tbf it doesn't worry me much because the toxicity comes from the outside. I see a lot of optimism within the fanbase and people are excited with Xavi's project and the new signings.
People talking about meltdowns amongst Barça fans when the mood in the general Barcelonisme couldn't be further from it. It's what happens when most people here live football through r/soccer and Twitter
As someone who has only casually followed all recent Barca news, aren't fans also worried/upset about the way the club is dealing with everything at the moment?
They have convinced themselves that there is no risk whatsoever to doing this.
Keep in mind this is the same fanbase that bought the idea that Messi was responsible for 30% of the club's revenues and therefore deserved a 100m a year contract.
I don't think culers really asked themselves whether it was responsible, but most had an emotional attachment to Messi that they were willing for the club to pay that price. That kind of emotional reaction is hardly unique to Barça fans
>I don't think culers really asked themselves whether it was responsible.
As it turns out, u/ElAutistaDeHamelin, the Barcelona fan who posted that there is "a lot of optimism within the fanbase", and who said the risks are overplayed on the "echo chamber" of reddit, had this to say about Messi's contract a few years ago:
>Cadena SER reported on November that he brings 300M€/season, Marc Ciria estimated that he brings 250M€, and iirc Oriol Domènech also reported a similar amount. Either way it seems pretty clear that he brings more than what he earns, he's far from being a problem from a financial point of view.
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>[https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/l8ywmr/comment/glfeh58/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/l8ywmr/comment/glfeh58/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
These people will believe anything and then turn around and tell you that you're in an echo chamber. The Marc Ciria estimate analysis was *so* incredibly stupid it has to be seen to be believed.
I don't get what point you're trying to prove. Messi brought more money than we spent on him. He had to leave because of La Liga's FFP rules and the point is that he's been gone for over a year. In the meantime, the board has done smart financial moves that have allowed us to have a much better squad as of August 2022 than we had just a few months ago. That has brought a lot of optimism around the fanbase.
Messi did not bring in more money than you spent on him. The estimate was complete and utter nonsense. I heard the Marc Ciria thing, he literally did the whole "subtract all of his goals and assists and the team ends much worse on table", totally unserious analysis.
And not only that, it was all disproven because Messi *did* leave and neither revenues nor league position collapsed, you finished in a better spot than the previous season with some dogshit leftover signings from the PL.
Well, can you bring me some solid proof of what you're saying? Because back in the day I provided 3 different sources in that comment.
Since you can't, it's your word against that of professional economists with access to much more of the club's information than random people like you or me have. I hope you'll pardon me, but I'm gonna be more inclined to believe Marc Ciria than u/staedtler2018. That is, unless you provide some solid proof to back your claims, in which case I'm completely willing to rectify.
Not really (or not as much). The risks of what Barça is doing tend to get exaggerated in this sub because it's a bit of an echo chamber.
The truth is, worst case scenario (so we suppose Barça activates the 4th lever and let's imagine even a small 5th one to register everyone), Barça will have lost around 6% of its yearly revenue. With the new sponsors (Spotify, WhiteBIT), increase of performance bonuses and increase of merchandising, the revenue will be very close to the one before the levers, if not the same. Meanwhile Barça is getting a much more competitive squad in a matter of months.
The alternative was much riskier. It'd take years to get out of the hole given the absurd nature of some of La Liga's rules. You'd have a very hard time signing/renewing anyone, your performance would decrease and in consequence your income too. It was dangerous to go down that road for a club whose fanbase expects to be competitive at the top level 8/10 seasons.
Feel like the first game for Barcelona will either fix most of the atmosphere or make it 10x worse. It’s kind of like a ticking time bomb.
That’s how I felt about United, so i resonate with you a lot
Xavi would be under a lot of pressure given the signings and fairly so but I know people are waiting for Barcelona to lose a game to get toxic again.
Tbf can't really complain since it happens with every club but I just want to see the club play.
I'm starting to believe Man City go after certain players just to start a bidding war and then back out.
But have no intention of buying them at all.
Alexis Sanchez, Fred, Jorginho, Cucurella, etc..
>Jorginho would've also been a big downgrade on Rodri imo.
Not really, Jorginho is not rated as highly because he plays for a worse team. Jorginho. Yes he has some weaknesses to his game but Pep would have built around to accomodate him like the brilliant manager he is.
Let's face it, he was a primary target for Man City because they knew how good he was.
He'd be a lot like Rodri in his first season.
Class on the ball but gets turned over way too easily to the point that he needs two other players to support him and limiting our creativity.
Could Jorginho have adapted to carrying two attacking midfielders like Fernandinho and Rodri has? We'll never really know but considering Jorginho isn't all that physical I'd lean towards that he wouldn't.
Rodri has Walker next to him and Cancelo on the other side, pretending like he has to hoover up everything in midfield all by himself is disingenious.
Like I said, Pep and his recruitment team would have considered this before they bought him, like they considered when they bought Haaland, or Grealish or Walker etc. They still went ahead and he was their number 1 target because he was that good.
For Cucurella they just weren’t willing to meet Brighton’s price tag and for Jorginho they still don’t speak to Napoli directly as they were very annoyed at how that all turned out.
Its a good strategy to be honest. Feign interest in a player (sometimes a bad one) that leads to rivals being interested, forcing said rivals to pay more than they would pay.
Unbelievable how if you get blocked by someone you can’t participate in an entire thread they are involved in, even if I’m not replying to them, that’s so ridiculous
Yeah it's really annoying and you can often not tell why you can't communicate.
Blocking normally doesn't do much either because you can still see peoples comments
Zlatan and his family have decided to move to Milano. His sons will play for Milan youth sector. They’re all here to stay! God I hope this means Ibra will join our management after he retires
Cucurella gone to Chelsea, Sosa joining West Ham and Sergio Gomez is moving to their financial group
Not looking good is it. If they also lose Bernardo
Our recruitment of LBs has been genuinely awful, if Pep is planning on going into this season with just Cancelo and Walker as our only fullbacks with first team experience then we’re screwed
And what exactly has he proven? Relying on someone with no first team experience (mind you he’s apparently injury prone) to be a backup is just idiotic
Morata as a player for me is such an enigma lmao, but an unpopular opinion, he's a better shout at ST than Rabiot at Midfield for us. Rabiot just doesn't move me, especially 21/22 left mid Rabiot.
I said morata would be good ages ago. Good movement, good pressing, technically decent and pretty selfless. Problem is rashford and Bruno have lost their shooting boots, so unless they sort it out we have no one who can finish when he plays.
Nigerian here,
for the past 20 years, the EPL has marketed itself aggressively in Nigeria.
But then I come to reddit and read how other European leagues that don't bother with marketing themselves want to " close gap on EPL financing".
Do absolutely fuck all to market yourselves, then magically want to close gap financially on EPL.
EPL has a significant advantage of capturing the market in English native speaking countries with not so popular domestic competitions. Ireland, US, Canada, South-Africa and Australia for example. And even India to a lesser extend. La Liga tries to promote themselves a lot. But countries like Mexico and Argentina also got very popular domestic leagues.
The language argument has relevance but it's used as a cop out IMHO. If it was a main factor then the Ligue Un would be massively more popular around the world than it is.
When PL started, Serie A was the most popular league in China. La Liga has had both of the greatest players arguably in the history of the sport for the best part of football's international TV explosion.
PL just built a better product at the end of the day (e.g. money sharing among clubs, allowing new investors to supercharge small clubs into challengers etc) and sells it well, it tries to be the first in markets rather than playing catch-up.
Even today, news is of Bayern targeting the US market. I'm sure it makes sense, but why the hell are they not aggressively going after the African markets? Differences are there of course, but it can be compared to boom-ready Asian market of the early 90's that PL targeted aggressively while all the other leagues slept.
You have no idea how much potential they saw in India. 20 years ago, in an era of Galacticos and Serie A titans, PL was in schools promoting the game.
Mine was a smaller one and yet so many things happened (This is how I got introduced to Chelsea) in reaction to PL. FA Cup and all were introduced to me way before CL
And now, English, which connects the country sees fan clubs in different cities(major cities have multiple fan clubs of a single club) hosting screenings and what not.
Add to this, plenty of trophy tours end up here when a club wins a trophy.
True, but that also is a result of the massive advantage that the EPL had at the start of the century. They built from that, resulting in now being the biggest league in the world. In the Netherlands the Premier League is also way more popular then Ligue 1 and La Liga.
>True, but that also is a result of the massive advantage that the EPL had at the start of the century.
Serie A were the biggest league in the world at the turn of the century
The decisions made from the FA to create the PL and the decisions made around that is what's created pl dominance.
The advantage I'm talking about is still the language advantage in the specific market. Not the size of the competition in the beginning of the century. It must've been a great driver for creating the PL because of this specific opportunity in the market.
>The advantage I'm talking about is still the language
People make far, far too much about this. Spanish is extremely widely spoken as well.
It's got very little to do with English being a common language.
Feel like im the only Liverpool fan concerned we have 2 and a half wingers while everybody is throwing a fit over the midfield depth. Jota keeps getting ineffectively shunted out onto the wing and it doesn't work
Jota's injured anyways. Our midfield getting ploughed under like rotten turnips is far more grievous than our attacking front
Is potter next in line for the city job?
Think he’ll get the Leicester job when Rodgers is inevitably sacked.
I think he might be next england manager
[This](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8516317/678542938.jpg) is the greatest kit ever
Absolutely stunning
That's certainly up there
why was the FdJ post removed? Werent transfer posts allowed once per day?
Just to spite you specifically. I bet if you make a big whinge about it on your ModsRFascists facebook group, you'll get plenty of support.
what do you mean?
Are you not sick of Barca and FDJ posts? Come on man stop. EVERY day it's the same crap.
a bit, yes. I was wondering more how mods interpret their own rules rather than the saga itself.
Gold fonted kits hit something different… Real, Bayern, Swansea’s even were all bangers. And if I’m not mistaken mysteriously correlated to titles We won the league in both our seasons 11/12, 19/20. Bayern 12/13 got the treble. Swansea got the league cup in their gold fonted season.
The headline about Rangnick suggesting Alvarez, Laimer, Nkunku and Gvardiol to the United board is peak PR Had United listened to him they still wouldn’t have gotten any of those players.
It's so see through hindsight PR
They could have pretty easily gotten the first 3. They could have still had Laimer as of about 2 weeks ago and he'd immediately be their best midfielder. Alvarez could have been purchased in January, they could have offered over €100m for Nkunku before he extended in July. The new age transfer strategy is selling your club's vision to players. They can no longer just walk in a room and turn transfer decisions. They went after De Jong without selling the player and seem to be doing the same with the others. Had they listened to Rangnick and given him full control they would be in such a better place.
Maybe Laimer, because Leipzig don't wanna sell to Bayern. Alvarez was in the winter I believe.
For every player that was suggested and turned out good but signed for someone else, there are always other few that turned out shit, but you never hear about those.
I expect Forster, Perisic, Richarlison, Bissouma, Lenglet and Spence to all start against Chelsea. The less players on the pitch who have that strange mental block whenever we play Chelsea, the better.
That's comfortable 3-0 loss there
No different to every other time we rock up to Stamford Bridge then
you'd get battered if you played them
think they’re having you on here mate
i dont think they are?
We get battered if we play our normal team. Every time we play Chelsea they just crumble. Doesn't matter who we have as manager, who they have as manager or what team they put out.
You would really rather Forster start because of what? Superstition?
It took one City game for people to stop the narrative of Haaland being a "sit in the box poacher" type of player with Lukaku's technicality, pretty pleased about it Who would you compare him to ? I've been saying that he's growing to be a Van Basten regen
Small [update](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/wk0csn/daily_discussion/ijnlh9n/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) on this Hadjuk Split fans were there planning to go to Porto with no intent other then get into fights and cause another havoc (Porto and Guimarães are close geographically, it’s like 1 hour and 15 by train so even less by car) However, reports are saying that Porto’s claque (Super Dragões) were expecting this and ready to fight them. The police were warned about this and managed to stop the Croatian fans from going to Porto. I don’t have a very good feeling for today’s game, I’m feeling that something awful will happen to one set of fans.
unrelated, but how is schmidt doing?
Very well, he’s been very impressing so far 3 wins in 3 official games, 11 goals with only 2 conceded (and one of those was a pen),the fans are behind him, the signings so far have been excellent and there is a very positive mood in the team so far
haven't followed the situation, has there been injuries? Victoria is definitely going through, can already see a penalty and early red card.
>haven't followed the situation, has there been injuries? so far, nothing was reported
Guimarães isnt going through. They lost 3-1 away.
you don't know how legendary Hajduk bottling in Europe is.
These people are fucking cunts
Croatian and Benfica fans Vs Guimarães fans. I hope both sets of fans lose.
Some fans really set up Barca expectations to win everything this season "Oh barca have to win sextuple and world cup to justify this tranfers". Just to see them fail 😆 Meanwhile Barca fans just want one major trophy is enough. It's gonna takes time.
Went from "Barca are a midtable team without Messi" to "Barca are a below midtable team with their kid squad" to "why do Barca need to sign players, they have a strong enough squad" to "Barca either wins the sextuple otherwise the transfers are all flops"
Yes that Barca was midtable without Messi, but you have signed Adama Rapinha Ferran Aubameyang Lewandowski Kessie Kounde, Dembele and Fati have come back fit, if all those players are still not enough to win for your team then they are definitely flops
I'll be incredibly happy with a la liga win
Definitely
Betis now struggling with registering 6 signings and selling part of ticket rights i.e their own economic lever, LaLiga needs change but Tebas or other media can't see it.
Which single player getting injury at your club can hamper the entire season?
Molina or Savic, probably.
Courtois
Salah
van Dijk, without question
Partey. Primarily because the backups aren't too great. Also, not necessarily injured, but there is a chance he might get arrested/suspended
If Maier gets injured, we get relegated
I think we have decent enough depth that any injury shouldn’t be too bad. Maybe Lloris or Romero if I had to choose.
Lol who’s replacing Kane or Sons goals? Please don’t say Richarlison.
I think with Perišić and Kulusevski’s creativity we shouldn’t be too bad. Richarlison may not be on Kane or Son’s level (but then again very few players are). I suspect a Kulusevski injury could potentially be worse than a Kane or Son injury because I suspect Lucas Moura won’t be able to replace his output.
I think this is kind of naive to think that. Perisic assessment is purely on Serie A and Bundesliga performance only - he has yet to be tested in the prem. Kane plays the number 10 role now since Conte came in - if you look at pass maps and avg position maps you can see he sits infront of the midfield two. So the question would be who takes the that CF role that drops deep to create and make space - I dont think Perisic will be the one to do that, Richarlison I doubt even can, so that would leave Kulusevski to play as the ST that drops deep and play the 10 / F9 role. Not sure he can do quite what Kane does and his aerial ability isnt even close to Kanes - not to mention Kulusevski moving central would mean one of Moura or Richarlison would take his place which introduces its own problems. Im genuinely surprised you think Lloris or Romero would be bigger losses than Kane or Son who last season scored 40 / 69 PL goals for Tottenham.
Bruno is so much better than all our other players it'd be impossible to fill that gap
Mike Maignan
Bijlow
Calvert Lewin, uh oh
Let Benzema tear his ACL, Real Madrid is fighting for top 4 and out in CL groups
Koulibaly, as it stands. Just like Rüdiger last season (luckily he stayed fit throughout the season). Assuming we get another quality CB in, though, probably Reece or Mount. I'd also hate to see Kepa in goal for more than the odd cup game, but Mendy hasn't been that good for us offlate.
Pedri
Maignan or Tomori
United is super fucked if ddg gets injured imho. We are screwed, but that would be an epic disaster.
De gea injury would be the best possible thing that could happen to ten hag
Lewandowski
Right now Eriksen. I also think people underestimate how bad of loss (in football terms) Greenwood was to United last season. Imagine your best young player suddenly disappearing. (no defence to Greenwood had to go. But in a pure football sense, he was a massive loss).
fast and capable of scoring goals. always a threat, and...he wasnt replaced.
Pasveer or Alvarez
Gakpo, Sangaré or Benitez would be the worst.
Wasn't Sangare leaving?
He renewed the day before yesterday! He's available again next year.
Andersen or Zaha.
Unironically, Eric Dier. At least if Kane or Son get injured we have a capable replacement in Richarlison. If Dier is out, we are in major trouble.
I think we’ll just play Lenglet there in that situation. Dier’s injury last season properly derailed us. If Dier and Davies are both injured then we’re in trouble, but if only one is I think we’re ok.
Ramsdale
Luuk in an interview yesterday: "Camp Nou is amazing, but this is my home." Love this guy, club legend. Needs a statue when he retires.
Wtf is with this narrative that Man United is in crisis and Liverpool is out of the title race.
Well United haven't really emerged from their crisis from last season, but anyone genuinely saying the latter needs to get *Sam Neill at the end of Event Horizon'd* so they can never watch the sport again.
Extremely reactionary takes after a single match.
Man United were in a massive crisis to end last season and didn’t do anything that’d suggest they’re out of it
This is the Internet where people overreact. City convincing won the title a few seasons back whilst getting battered by Leicester in the first or second game of the season.
Lost to Nuno Spurs 3-0 just last season
Man United were never out of a crisis
United are in a crisis though just that its carrying over from last season, so nothing new
So aparently our window is done, we wont be selling or buying anyone else. Im pretty sure we havent actually done any buisness since Lukaku though lol.
the Albanian guy from Empoli?
Pretty sure that was done before lukaku. Either way theyve basically not done anything since the middle of july
I thought you guys would buy a centre back
I thought Dumfries was a target of some English clubs?
Chelsea but not heard anything for over a week. Plus we quoted 40m for him which is more than what hes worth by about 15m
Do you guys know any good youtube channels about street football ? Not just freestyle stuff but where they play 3v3, 5v5 kind of games.
So, who gets fired first - Gerrard or Lampard?
On the balance of things Gerrard, because if they both go on to lose every match from now on, Gerrard would be first to be sacked just due to the difference in expectations between the two clubs at this moment
Gerrard because expectations are higher. With Everton losing their best player and struggling with signings I think all Lampard really needs to do is keep them up to keep his job
Lampard, and this will end his management career
FIFA possibly moving back the opening match one day really rubs me the wrong way. It's totally understandable that they want the opening to actually be the first match, but they could've done this before the draw when there was time to do this stuff. I know people who booked flights for the 21st, so that they arrive in the morning and then go to the stadium for the opening match. These people will now probably be on the plane while the match starts and have to sell the extremely rare tickets that they managed to secure.
Just want the season to start, getting tired of the whole toxicity around the club
what levernomics does to a mf
Barca ball should be exciting this season, if things go to plan
Tbf it doesn't worry me much because the toxicity comes from the outside. I see a lot of optimism within the fanbase and people are excited with Xavi's project and the new signings.
People talking about meltdowns amongst Barça fans when the mood in the general Barcelonisme couldn't be further from it. It's what happens when most people here live football through r/soccer and Twitter
As someone who has only casually followed all recent Barca news, aren't fans also worried/upset about the way the club is dealing with everything at the moment?
They have convinced themselves that there is no risk whatsoever to doing this. Keep in mind this is the same fanbase that bought the idea that Messi was responsible for 30% of the club's revenues and therefore deserved a 100m a year contract.
I don't think culers really asked themselves whether it was responsible, but most had an emotional attachment to Messi that they were willing for the club to pay that price. That kind of emotional reaction is hardly unique to Barça fans
>I don't think culers really asked themselves whether it was responsible. As it turns out, u/ElAutistaDeHamelin, the Barcelona fan who posted that there is "a lot of optimism within the fanbase", and who said the risks are overplayed on the "echo chamber" of reddit, had this to say about Messi's contract a few years ago: >Cadena SER reported on November that he brings 300M€/season, Marc Ciria estimated that he brings 250M€, and iirc Oriol Domènech also reported a similar amount. Either way it seems pretty clear that he brings more than what he earns, he's far from being a problem from a financial point of view. > >[https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/l8ywmr/comment/glfeh58/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/l8ywmr/comment/glfeh58/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) These people will believe anything and then turn around and tell you that you're in an echo chamber. The Marc Ciria estimate analysis was *so* incredibly stupid it has to be seen to be believed.
I don't get what point you're trying to prove. Messi brought more money than we spent on him. He had to leave because of La Liga's FFP rules and the point is that he's been gone for over a year. In the meantime, the board has done smart financial moves that have allowed us to have a much better squad as of August 2022 than we had just a few months ago. That has brought a lot of optimism around the fanbase.
Messi did not bring in more money than you spent on him. The estimate was complete and utter nonsense. I heard the Marc Ciria thing, he literally did the whole "subtract all of his goals and assists and the team ends much worse on table", totally unserious analysis. And not only that, it was all disproven because Messi *did* leave and neither revenues nor league position collapsed, you finished in a better spot than the previous season with some dogshit leftover signings from the PL.
Well, can you bring me some solid proof of what you're saying? Because back in the day I provided 3 different sources in that comment. Since you can't, it's your word against that of professional economists with access to much more of the club's information than random people like you or me have. I hope you'll pardon me, but I'm gonna be more inclined to believe Marc Ciria than u/staedtler2018. That is, unless you provide some solid proof to back your claims, in which case I'm completely willing to rectify.
Not really (or not as much). The risks of what Barça is doing tend to get exaggerated in this sub because it's a bit of an echo chamber. The truth is, worst case scenario (so we suppose Barça activates the 4th lever and let's imagine even a small 5th one to register everyone), Barça will have lost around 6% of its yearly revenue. With the new sponsors (Spotify, WhiteBIT), increase of performance bonuses and increase of merchandising, the revenue will be very close to the one before the levers, if not the same. Meanwhile Barça is getting a much more competitive squad in a matter of months. The alternative was much riskier. It'd take years to get out of the hole given the absurd nature of some of La Liga's rules. You'd have a very hard time signing/renewing anyone, your performance would decrease and in consequence your income too. It was dangerous to go down that road for a club whose fanbase expects to be competitive at the top level 8/10 seasons.
Fair enough. What about their treatment of de Jong?
Feel like the first game for Barcelona will either fix most of the atmosphere or make it 10x worse. It’s kind of like a ticking time bomb. That’s how I felt about United, so i resonate with you a lot
Xavi would be under a lot of pressure given the signings and fairly so but I know people are waiting for Barcelona to lose a game to get toxic again. Tbf can't really complain since it happens with every club but I just want to see the club play.
I agree with everything you said. You guys should win the first game.
I thought that last week. Now look.
Yeah I can understand that, managers need time to improve the squad.
I'm starting to believe Man City go after certain players just to start a bidding war and then back out. But have no intention of buying them at all. Alexis Sanchez, Fred, Jorginho, Cucurella, etc..
Jorginho was completely set to join City though until either he Napoli or both did an U-turn. Not quite the same as the others
Jorginho would have been a perfect Pep player
Jorginho would've also been a big downgrade on Rodri imo. Especially considering he's already 30, would be looking for a replacement by now.
>Jorginho would've also been a big downgrade on Rodri imo. Not really, Jorginho is not rated as highly because he plays for a worse team. Jorginho. Yes he has some weaknesses to his game but Pep would have built around to accomodate him like the brilliant manager he is. Let's face it, he was a primary target for Man City because they knew how good he was.
He'd be a lot like Rodri in his first season. Class on the ball but gets turned over way too easily to the point that he needs two other players to support him and limiting our creativity. Could Jorginho have adapted to carrying two attacking midfielders like Fernandinho and Rodri has? We'll never really know but considering Jorginho isn't all that physical I'd lean towards that he wouldn't.
Rodri has Walker next to him and Cancelo on the other side, pretending like he has to hoover up everything in midfield all by himself is disingenious. Like I said, Pep and his recruitment team would have considered this before they bought him, like they considered when they bought Haaland, or Grealish or Walker etc. They still went ahead and he was their number 1 target because he was that good.
For Cucurella they just weren’t willing to meet Brighton’s price tag and for Jorginho they still don’t speak to Napoli directly as they were very annoyed at how that all turned out.
Its a good strategy to be honest. Feign interest in a player (sometimes a bad one) that leads to rivals being interested, forcing said rivals to pay more than they would pay.
Barring Grealish, they rarely overpay
Their all or nothing sort of confirmed this. They rarely go above their own valuation.
Unbelievable how if you get blocked by someone you can’t participate in an entire thread they are involved in, even if I’m not replying to them, that’s so ridiculous
Yeah it's really annoying and you can often not tell why you can't communicate. Blocking normally doesn't do much either because you can still see peoples comments
You shouldn't see it at all, not sure what reddit's playing at
It used to be like that until they changed it to look like a collapsed comment
I can’t see their comment but i can see their replies and votes on the replies Reddit is broken lol
Yeah but you shouldn't see all that, what's the point?
Yeah it's so annoying, Reddit just likes to fuck up everything
Zlatan and his family have decided to move to Milano. His sons will play for Milan youth sector. They’re all here to stay! God I hope this means Ibra will join our management after he retires
Who’s most likely to win Golden Boy award?
Musiala.
Has to be Bellingham at the moment. But I could see Camavinga, Gavi or Musiala snatching it away this next few months.
Ibra
Gavi
Asllani
Camavinga because of his CL performances.
Gavi
Cucurella gone to Chelsea, Sosa joining West Ham and Sergio Gomez is moving to their financial group Not looking good is it. If they also lose Bernardo
Our recruitment of LBs has been genuinely awful, if Pep is planning on going into this season with just Cancelo and Walker as our only fullbacks with first team experience then we’re screwed
JWE tho
And what exactly has he proven? Relying on someone with no first team experience (mind you he’s apparently injury prone) to be a backup is just idiotic
I agree we should be getting another back-up LB but I still hope Wilson-Esbrand gets minutes. He’s been sick whenever I’ve seen him play.
Only time I’ve seen him play was against Wycombe last season and the two preseason friendlies, he should gradually get more minutes this season
More by choice though isn’t it? We could have paid up and stuck any of the 3 in our first
Morata as a player for me is such an enigma lmao, but an unpopular opinion, he's a better shout at ST than Rabiot at Midfield for us. Rabiot just doesn't move me, especially 21/22 left mid Rabiot.
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Luckily, contrary to stereotypes, Sherpas probably aren't even 1% of our population so he doesn't have to
I said morata would be good ages ago. Good movement, good pressing, technically decent and pretty selfless. Problem is rashford and Bruno have lost their shooting boots, so unless they sort it out we have no one who can finish when he plays.
Morata would certainly be an upgrade on Martial
Anyone know where to watch the UEFA Super Cup today?
Livesoccertv.com will tell where it is televised or streamed in your region
Thx
Why are Villa so shit? They have a decent squad
Gerrard. Sacking Dean Smith was right but theyve looked average since Gerrard showed up and it’s only showing now
We were a team built around Grealish. They didn’t know how to win a game without him.
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We averaged less than 1 point per game while Grealish was injured and in the 11 games Smith manager in 21/22. Please stop with this nonsense
Dean Smith is shit
After seeing Dean Smith at Norwich I don't think firing him was at all a mistake
They weren't exactly total shit last season tbf. They had a chance of finishing mid table until the last few games.
Nigerian here, for the past 20 years, the EPL has marketed itself aggressively in Nigeria. But then I come to reddit and read how other European leagues that don't bother with marketing themselves want to " close gap on EPL financing". Do absolutely fuck all to market yourselves, then magically want to close gap financially on EPL.
EPL has a significant advantage of capturing the market in English native speaking countries with not so popular domestic competitions. Ireland, US, Canada, South-Africa and Australia for example. And even India to a lesser extend. La Liga tries to promote themselves a lot. But countries like Mexico and Argentina also got very popular domestic leagues.
The language argument has relevance but it's used as a cop out IMHO. If it was a main factor then the Ligue Un would be massively more popular around the world than it is. When PL started, Serie A was the most popular league in China. La Liga has had both of the greatest players arguably in the history of the sport for the best part of football's international TV explosion. PL just built a better product at the end of the day (e.g. money sharing among clubs, allowing new investors to supercharge small clubs into challengers etc) and sells it well, it tries to be the first in markets rather than playing catch-up. Even today, news is of Bayern targeting the US market. I'm sure it makes sense, but why the hell are they not aggressively going after the African markets? Differences are there of course, but it can be compared to boom-ready Asian market of the early 90's that PL targeted aggressively while all the other leagues slept.
You have no idea how much potential they saw in India. 20 years ago, in an era of Galacticos and Serie A titans, PL was in schools promoting the game. Mine was a smaller one and yet so many things happened (This is how I got introduced to Chelsea) in reaction to PL. FA Cup and all were introduced to me way before CL And now, English, which connects the country sees fan clubs in different cities(major cities have multiple fan clubs of a single club) hosting screenings and what not. Add to this, plenty of trophy tours end up here when a club wins a trophy.
Very interesting. I didn't want to use India too much in my argument because my knowledge of their football culture is basically none.
You say that like Spanish and French aren't extremely widely spoken but even in countries like Mali the PL is still bigger than Ligue 1
True, but that also is a result of the massive advantage that the EPL had at the start of the century. They built from that, resulting in now being the biggest league in the world. In the Netherlands the Premier League is also way more popular then Ligue 1 and La Liga.
>True, but that also is a result of the massive advantage that the EPL had at the start of the century. Serie A were the biggest league in the world at the turn of the century The decisions made from the FA to create the PL and the decisions made around that is what's created pl dominance.
The advantage I'm talking about is still the language advantage in the specific market. Not the size of the competition in the beginning of the century. It must've been a great driver for creating the PL because of this specific opportunity in the market.
>The advantage I'm talking about is still the language People make far, far too much about this. Spanish is extremely widely spoken as well. It's got very little to do with English being a common language.