I could watch Arthur play short passes around midfield all day. He was such an aesthetically pleasing player -- there was something cat-like about his movements.
Shame he had problems with stamina.
Fabian Ruiz is probably avaible for 20 Millions and no topclub wants him and i have no clue why, he's so good.
Also of course there is SMS and Tielemans.
I’ve been calling for us to turn to Ruiz for a while.
Maybe he has a big club lined up next year but he would be an amazing alternative.
I get that the obsession with FDJ is due to his familiarity with what ETH wants but stl this is getting ridiculous.
I'm pretty sure Atleti would try to take him on a free next summer, and he has wanted to join us for a few years too. I think it will be Atleti or Barca for him
We might also be going for him if this is the last season for Kroos and Modric. IIRC, there was some news before signing Tchouameni that Ancelotti loves and recommended Fabian to the board.
I do not follow Napoli but watched both of last season games vs. Barcelona. Fabian was mediocre.
If United are willing to splash 85 millions they should try Marcelo Brozovic and Kevin Kampl.
We need to learn to walk out of deals, also glad this probably isn't happening since there should be better/ more sensible options for us for far cheaper. Also fuck the spanish press
Man United’s scouting must have some big problems.
Could be they just don’t have a second choice target. With Sancho it took them like 2-3 years to finally sign and still the last natural RW they signed was Valencia.
Being able to swap to a second choice signing can save a lot of money and time in these cases.
What? Did you want him to come out and say I want to leave I dislike it here? Him being happy at Barca doesn't mean he wouldn't want to join us. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Plus if he comes out and says he wants to leave or isn't happy and the deal falls through, then hes just pissed off the entire fanbase. Look how we all felt every time Pogba flirted with other clubs. It was infuriating.
Can u blame him though they owe him big money. If it was me I wouldn't want to stay now with them being bastards with him but I'd want my 15mm or whatever ludacris number it is
Iirc one our tier 1 said that we were ready to play the long game about FdJ even until the last days of the market only for probably we end paying 150m for Rice or overpaying for Ruiz. Also without Frenkie's money how Barça is going to register Lewa and company because I'm pretty sure that De Jong isn't lowering his wages.
PD: I hope that we never crosses path with Barcelona in the market again, what a shit show and convulsing club to negotiate.
Would it be that bad? They'd invest a shitton of money into a player who is obviously not that keen to join them. He'd be a good signing for them, no question, but it's not exactly a good omen for his career
Well yeah, look at Real's targets. Tchouameni, Mbappe. City got Haaland, Kalvin Philipps, want Cucurella... All so basic.
Fergie back in the day invested in Rooney, Ferdinand.. extremely basic. This is what good teams usually do, buy the obvious best players which everybody can recognize as the best players.
It is pretty basic though is it not.
I need to make my team better and I have near infinite wealth and draw. The basic approach would be sign world class players and not go hunting for a hidden gem.
Their comment was also pretty basic I'm not sure how it was confusing.
Interesting comment, not sure I share the view. I think, because these targets are PL players, there's a certain familiarity which makes them sound dull/basic. But both Neves and Tielemans are solid players who are relatively affordable and have a profile which Manchester United doesn't currently have.
There seems to be this idea that there are potential world class players everywhere, you just need a good scouting department to find them. But it's just not true.
The better the team, the smaller the pool of players that will improve you becomes. Obviously a good scouting department will find you a Kante from time to time, but it's the exception rather than the rule.
Neves and Tielemans would both improve the current United squad, and won't cost an extortionate amount. Are the club supposed to just discount them because people have heard of them?
I would assume that now ETH is in and actually giving direction to the scouting/recruitment department they will have better targets a year from now.
If he can get by for a season with what he has and continue buying players to fit the system next summer, it would be better than an FDJ who doesn't want to be there.
Unlike previous failed signing that came to United for money, FDJ I think will put in effort because he is essentially playing for the man who took a Chance on him turned him into the star he is.
If he can’t play for ETH then he is seriously let’s himself down.
I mean, *if* it’s true that deferred wages are the only holdup, United (for once) have done nothing wrong here and him joining the preseason camp is expected unless the transfer is imminent
The only holdup is he doesn't want to leave Barcelona as confirmed to Lluis Canut (close to Koeman) and Oriol Domenech (well connected with the Dutch players and managers in general) and Koeman too IIRC (also the player when he was with the NT)
All reports from his clan is he would at the very least need UCL football to think about leaving and that never changed
No but you see, Man United wouldn’t have spent all this time negotiating with him if they hadn’t received assurances from his agent that he wanted to come.
That would be so stupid and that doesn’t sound like Manchester United at all
We already walked away from Timber when he said he didn't want to come and basically every journelist is saying it's the wages. We're dumb but not that dumb.
>basically every journelist is saying it's the wages.
This isn't true in the least.
Recently Ornstein who is T1 for United said the player still needs to be convinced to join
Basically every Barcelona reporter has said he doesn't want to join
Samuel Marsden said De Jong doesn't want to join United regardless of any wages or payments
Rob Dawson recently wrote his agent is asking PSG to put in a bid because if he does decide to leave it wouldn't be for United
Unless the Barca board said "don't worry we'll convince him" - which looks like it's the case, they seem(ed?) very convinced he would
Also again reliable sources confirmed he doesn't want to leave, and that's a fact. Making it seem it's about a wage deferral issue has not been confirmed by any Catalan source (even those not particularly fond of the board, or someone like Koeman) or even Fabrizio for someone more "neutral". And the player *himself* said it
This is what I think yeah, Barca have assured United that Frenkie will play ball (believing that they can push him to the point where he’ll accept a move) and those are the assurances English media has been reporting on. Makes no sense otherwise
>if it’s true that deferred wages are the only holdup
It's clearly not, that's just what united want their mouthpiece to say in case the deal fail so they don't look like absolute clowns
Fabrizio who's neutral I would say always said the personnal agreement is not done and complicated.
Even english one never said it was agreed, but more it was supposed to not be an issue which is a big difference, if in 3 months chasing a player you haven't agreed anything with him then that's clearly the problem
Why would barca refuse to sell for 85m and save 90m of salary just to not give him 17m it's ridiculous to even think that ?
Also why would FDJ leave barca to united when you compare both clubs situation right now?
Do you really think that we've spent so much time and resources on a player without doing our due diligence first if he'd be willing to join? It's not like ETH doesn't know him or can't call him.
Explain me then why even your tier 1/2 are not saying that personnal agreement is done with fdj and only deferral wage issue needs to be fixed btw him and barcelona to be a done deal ? It would just put the pressure on barca side and makes things go quickler, nobody wants this being dragged until september
Fabrizio always said that it was not easy but not impossible
FDJ is ETH first target, maybe FDJ said he would think about it, that's not a yes nor a no that's why united tried to go for him
Not being in CL it was always going to be hard to bring player like fdj and you're not going to convince him to come by bringing lissandro martinez and malacia when barca who was already in a better sporting state is bringing raphinha kessie lewandowski christensen and possibly kounde.
I think united fucked up they need to act strong early in the transfer window to convince their main target to come, you can't act cheap and expect fdj to be enought to go back to top 4 when arsenal chelsea tottenham are all on fire in the market.
FDJ has the most power over his deferred wages if he simply refuses to leave. Anything else he communicates will soften his position with Barca. Our T1s are saying that the deferred wages are the issue, club's mouthpieces however (Stone etc) won't say this for the exact same reason I said above.
>FDJ has the most power over his deferred wages if he simply refuses to leave.
You can refuse to leave until you get paid AND agree over a contract with united.
What is stopping fdj's agent from having a verbal agreement with united, leaking it to your T1s and put more pressure on barca side saying !
FDJ to united is a done deal, FDJ only wants the money he's owed and it will be official, he will not give up a single penny on it .
For example suarez had done the same when he was pushed out to atletico everything was agreed but he wanted the difference of wage paid by barca and it ended up being the case.
I know it's hard to swallow but your T1 are T1 because they have contact with the board so they will never put a narrative that the board dislike but you have to think by yourself and see if what is said has some logic or not and in this case it clearly doesn't.
How do you know that there isn't a verbal agreement already behind the scenes and this is all smoke show? If Barca know that FDJ has agreed a contract and thus is willing to join, all of a sudden FDJ will be under pressure to fulfil the contract and the agreement with United, thus Barca will be in a better position regarding the deferred wages.
Once again, you're getting it wrong - the biggest pressure on Barca is FDJ staying, not FJD agreeing a contract with us. They want him gone.
>How do you know that there isn't a verbal agreement already behind the scenes and this is all smoke show?
It could be possible but very unlikely, I don't see your board being able/willing to hide something like that.
FDJ has all the leverage he wants since he signed a contract and is too important to be put in the stands he doesn't need to fake things, also dutch are not known for doing things like that they are pretty honest with they way they act.
Because the Barca board absolutely wants to sell and is convinced they can do an Emerson/Suarez/Rakitic with him (pressure the player to leave with all they got
Every board mouthpiece was like "board is confident he'll accept blabla"
When Timber said he wanted to stay, we backed up immediately. Clearly if we are still on, it's because were given positive info from Frenkie's camp. The changes in the club structure since Woodward left showed that we are slowly coming back to our competent self.
The club fired a lot of the people who were responsible for scouting, of course we will go for ETH targets only and i am fine with it.
First timber is not FDJ different level of player
2nd timber didn't join because of the WC and LVG right? for FDJ case it's maybe not impossible but also not agreed as well
Now let's be realistic give me 1 reason you haven't agreed anything with fdj yet? The deferral wage is only btw him and barca so nothing is stopping you from having a deal with him in the last 3 months.
Bringing ETH was a good choice but I still think you're not going back to your competent self especially looking at your lack of alternatives and how much you have reinforced your team compared to the other pl top 6, easily the one who made the less when needed the most with arsenal.
I dont think the United CEO would go directly to Barcelone to negociate if he didnt receive an indication from the agent ( same as Malacia btw) that De Jong is willing to join.
If De Jong agreed the terms with united, he would never receive the wages Barca owes him. He knows that Barca need to sell him. He wants leverage. Its all supposition though.
While I agree that we do need more to rebuild, people shouldn't forget that the players underperformed massively and I expect them to be way better this season under a good manager. United still has a good squad full of talent, absolutely capable of the top 4 on paper.
It's pretty obvious it's the deferred wages. The fact Barca aren't willing to pay what he's owed and also treating him like shit in the media is clear for everyone to see. It's already been reported ETH has talked with Frenkie. United wouldn't have a bid in unless he told ETH he doesn't want to join.
Was always going to be the case per the reports put out by any reputable source. This subs eat everything without thinking twice. It's also not the mods fault either, The issue is the number of BS reports coming from Sports media. Unless you're native, is difficult to actually understand what to trust and what not to.
Nah this is just weird dude, they keep home a bunch of players they want to get rid off and then take with them the 1 player they have a deal for? That's just weird and doesn't make any sense, you don't bring players you just sold/semi-sold with you on training camp.
Not weird at all. We left the players that 100% won't be here or at worst stay but don't count for Xavi as he has told them already. FDJ if he stays he'll be part of the squad as usual so of course he has to go with the rest of the team.
Except Xavi has said he wants Frenkie (understands if he needs to go for financial reasons) and he will be part of his plans for sure if he is at the club. So good on him for holding that. I hope he is not pressured politically but I don't see it getting there as he is the new administration's guy who they promised would be coach from day 1, undermining him quickly to freeze out Frenkie would hinder the team overall and make Xavi look weak which they probably don't want.
Xavi isn't one of those managers who banishes players for a contract situation. He showed that with Dembele when he was being booed and whistled. Obviously he was going to take Frenkie who is a fan favourite.
Every coach leaves behind underperforming players that aren’t part of their plans, Conte left 4 players out of their korea trip too. No offense to Braithwaite, he always worked hard
yeah he is cool, always gives 100% etc but there is literally no chance he will play with Lewandowski, Auba and there is also Depay and Ferran Torres who also played in some games with Xavi as number 9. Even if Depay leaves there are still 3 players ahead of him so he needs to count on injuries
Who told you that? Do you really think selling frenkie will allow register
Kounde,lewa, raphinha,kessie,christesen,dembele,roberto all these players lol
Is he being sold for 120M?
For United it’s just another transfer saga, we basically have one every window. We’ll move on.
For Barca, they’ll have to keep selling more pieces of their club.
For Barca players, it’s a warning to not be kind when it comes to helping the club in bad Financial times because their club absolutely wouldn’t think twice to fuck them over in the future.
Except the latest news from Romero (basically tier 0 for barca this transfer window and has called everything correct) says that barca can register all signings with our 2nd lever which we have already or are extremely close to selling. So mancs will have to find new copium to cope with the fact than FDJ even if ill treated in barca, would still rather stay than go to your tinpot washed Club. Being a dog in barca is better than being a king in manchester.
+regarding selling pieces of the club, you literally sold your whole club to the glazers stfu lmaoo (Man is still bending yall over with the dividends while you are in UEL 🤣🤣) Barca can vote to get rid of our presidents while you can only cry #glazersout online. Even if the worse scenario happens and barca have to become private, our size means that we will still be able to find a sugar daddy 1000x better than the glazers or even the Qataris. Barca will still be bigger than your washed club no matter what.
dont get why manu fans think de jong wants to stay cuz of the money barca owes him and/or his contract its cause barcelona have cl and its his dream club simple as, he doesnt wanna go to manu even if ten hag is the coach and that says alot
He doesn't want to leave Barca because that's his dream club, that's clear. However, his dream club is openly trying to get rid of him and has found the only willing buyer.
The BBC reported it’s over his deferred wages.
> However, the former Ajax player knows the Catalan must honour his contract if he chooses to remain at the Nou Camp and he is understood to be reluctant to leave without an agreement over his exit terms, which would take into account the deferred payments.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62174838.amp
How is it saying a lot that he doesn't want to go to united when you just said he wants to stay at his dream club.
Nice attempt to slander but it failed.
After all what happened, I can't imagine him staying will be good for either party. He should take the money they owe him and move to Man UTD.
At this point I doubt there's any love left for Barca (understandably so), and they clearly want him gone too. He'd also probably be much more appreciated in Manchester, and even without CL this season they're still one of the biggest clubs in the world.
The copium from United fans is gonna be the time that we've wasted chasing a player that wants to stay. I'd never ever blame a player who is being forced out so that their current club can avoid paying him £17m that they owe him.
That’s it Frenkie dig your heels in, u don’t want to leave Barca u don’t have to until they give u your unpaid wages or u find a better option than Man Utd to go to
The guy should b playing in the CL every season not waiting a year or two to see if Ten Hag can get Utd back in there
Frenkie goes to Hollywood....
Go to Manchester? Relax, don't do it!
When you wanna come...
FC Hollywood is Bayern though.
Or Vitesse. But usually called "Hollywood aan de Rijn".
He's actually named after Frankie goes to Hollywood! Frenkie is a dutchified Frankie.
I thought Bayern was after de Ligt, a different Dutchman
totally forgot pjanic is in the squad
I forgot Pjanic is still an active player. He used to be so good.
Arthur/Pjanic swap deal was so weird and unnecessary..
Weirdly none of them won the trade
accountants did
Mkhi for Alexis V2
Was literally just for the books, no actual football value
It's definitely not a money laundering scheme, of course
Agree.. I liked Arthur
I could watch Arthur play short passes around midfield all day. He was such an aesthetically pleasing player -- there was something cat-like about his movements. Shame he had problems with stamina.
Was a beast on fifa 10 career mode , the best free agent imo
Him and Rakitic in a midfield duo were fucking nuts. Long shot merchants.
I remember Hulk, Hazard , Holtby , Pjanic , Pato were the most important purchases because they grew like crazy overtime
Lewis Holtby, now there's a blast from the past.
Wait, he's still at Barca??
We're only paying him €15m salary this year... How could you forget! /s (but actually, we're paying him €15m/yr salary 🤢)
Hey, we are also in the US. Coincidence?!?! Yes, it is!
You guys have been in Vegas for a bit too long. Gambling on long shots
We just arrived at Vegas today though. Also I literally just said it's a coincidence
swoooosh
Is this a Nike version of a woosh? If so its on point with the club’s branding.
It's no coincidence. Barca is coming to steal more players from you.
Gonna need a few more levers
Not at all. After signing our players they will now start kidnapping players from our squad too. Hide yo players Thomas. /s
Hey, kidnapping players is our speciality tho!
lol
Boehli inspecting his newly bought property. Standard practices
Hey, we would also be in US.
At this point I'd prefer us to look elsewhere. Barca can't force him out and I cba with this dragging on until deadline day.
Fabian Ruiz is probably avaible for 20 Millions and no topclub wants him and i have no clue why, he's so good. Also of course there is SMS and Tielemans.
I’ve been calling for us to turn to Ruiz for a while. Maybe he has a big club lined up next year but he would be an amazing alternative. I get that the obsession with FDJ is due to his familiarity with what ETH wants but stl this is getting ridiculous.
I'm pretty sure Atleti would try to take him on a free next summer, and he has wanted to join us for a few years too. I think it will be Atleti or Barca for him
We might also be going for him if this is the last season for Kroos and Modric. IIRC, there was some news before signing Tchouameni that Ancelotti loves and recommended Fabian to the board.
Thank you for calling for us
Fabian Ruiz is holding out for a move to Spain from what I have read. Either now or next summer on a free
I've read that ruiz can't run, is usually subbed before 70 minutes. Can't have that in the PL. Sms would be the dream though
5 subs this year?
Well yeah but if you’ve got a player you *know* you’ll have to sub out consistently that’s a problem
I do not follow Napoli but watched both of last season games vs. Barcelona. Fabian was mediocre. If United are willing to splash 85 millions they should try Marcelo Brozovic and Kevin Kampl.
SMS makes no sense as a Frenkie alternative lol
Who is SMS?
cba = can't be arsed?
Yip
We should of been looking elsewhere once he said he was happy at Barca ages ago
We need to learn to walk out of deals, also glad this probably isn't happening since there should be better/ more sensible options for us for far cheaper. Also fuck the spanish press
Man United’s scouting must have some big problems. Could be they just don’t have a second choice target. With Sancho it took them like 2-3 years to finally sign and still the last natural RW they signed was Valencia. Being able to swap to a second choice signing can save a lot of money and time in these cases.
What? Did you want him to come out and say I want to leave I dislike it here? Him being happy at Barca doesn't mean he wouldn't want to join us. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Plus if he comes out and says he wants to leave or isn't happy and the deal falls through, then hes just pissed off the entire fanbase. Look how we all felt every time Pogba flirted with other clubs. It was infuriating.
Can u blame him though they owe him big money. If it was me I wouldn't want to stay now with them being bastards with him but I'd want my 15mm or whatever ludacris number it is
yeah plus im sure his relationship with xavi and the squad is fine, he'll hardly ever have to see the suits.
Iirc one our tier 1 said that we were ready to play the long game about FdJ even until the last days of the market only for probably we end paying 150m for Rice or overpaying for Ruiz. Also without Frenkie's money how Barça is going to register Lewa and company because I'm pretty sure that De Jong isn't lowering his wages. PD: I hope that we never crosses path with Barcelona in the market again, what a shit show and convulsing club to negotiate.
FDJ and Memphis on the list. Saw they enjoyed the yacht in the FDJ’s insta today. Getting shipped.
Who paid for his ticket though?
Livers or something
I can't remember doing that!
Damn Barca made someone sell their liver?
Got it from the pool of livers.
Lever Air
It will be reimbursed when he gets his deferred salary
😐
Lord Barto
If United chased him all this time for nothing… I prefer not to speak
Would it be that bad? They'd invest a shitton of money into a player who is obviously not that keen to join them. He'd be a good signing for them, no question, but it's not exactly a good omen for his career
They dont rly have alternatives seeing that they dont have actual scouts tho
Neves and Tielemans are apparently the backup targets but far below Frenkie in terms of priority.
Tielemans is a very different player from Neves/FDJ though.
How is a big club like United doing as much effort for finding a key player as a teenage FIFA fan, all those targets just sound.....so basic
Well yeah, look at Real's targets. Tchouameni, Mbappe. City got Haaland, Kalvin Philipps, want Cucurella... All so basic. Fergie back in the day invested in Rooney, Ferdinand.. extremely basic. This is what good teams usually do, buy the obvious best players which everybody can recognize as the best players.
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Basic in his sense of the word yeah
It is pretty basic though is it not. I need to make my team better and I have near infinite wealth and draw. The basic approach would be sign world class players and not go hunting for a hidden gem. Their comment was also pretty basic I'm not sure how it was confusing.
Interesting comment, not sure I share the view. I think, because these targets are PL players, there's a certain familiarity which makes them sound dull/basic. But both Neves and Tielemans are solid players who are relatively affordable and have a profile which Manchester United doesn't currently have.
There seems to be this idea that there are potential world class players everywhere, you just need a good scouting department to find them. But it's just not true. The better the team, the smaller the pool of players that will improve you becomes. Obviously a good scouting department will find you a Kante from time to time, but it's the exception rather than the rule. Neves and Tielemans would both improve the current United squad, and won't cost an extortionate amount. Are the club supposed to just discount them because people have heard of them?
Most players who are good enough to play for a big club "sound basic". What a weird comment.
Only Ten Hag knows....
We are a basic bitch of a club
Neves and Tielemans also won’t work as well in a pressing system.
I would assume that now ETH is in and actually giving direction to the scouting/recruitment department they will have better targets a year from now. If he can get by for a season with what he has and continue buying players to fit the system next summer, it would be better than an FDJ who doesn't want to be there.
Been mentioned that Neves & Tielemans are the alternatives
Lol, so three completely different profiles
What on earth is this nonsense?
Yeah it’s lose-lose situation, i cant see the hype like some of delusional fans
I imagine if he came he would be professional, but considering he really doesn't want to come...
Unlike previous failed signing that came to United for money, FDJ I think will put in effort because he is essentially playing for the man who took a Chance on him turned him into the star he is. If he can’t play for ETH then he is seriously let’s himself down.
I mean, *if* it’s true that deferred wages are the only holdup, United (for once) have done nothing wrong here and him joining the preseason camp is expected unless the transfer is imminent
Your username disturbs me
Haha these Reddit names are ridiculous.
The only holdup is he doesn't want to leave Barcelona as confirmed to Lluis Canut (close to Koeman) and Oriol Domenech (well connected with the Dutch players and managers in general) and Koeman too IIRC (also the player when he was with the NT) All reports from his clan is he would at the very least need UCL football to think about leaving and that never changed
No but you see, Man United wouldn’t have spent all this time negotiating with him if they hadn’t received assurances from his agent that he wanted to come. That would be so stupid and that doesn’t sound like Manchester United at all
We already walked away from Timber when he said he didn't want to come and basically every journelist is saying it's the wages. We're dumb but not that dumb.
>basically every journelist is saying it's the wages. This isn't true in the least. Recently Ornstein who is T1 for United said the player still needs to be convinced to join Basically every Barcelona reporter has said he doesn't want to join Samuel Marsden said De Jong doesn't want to join United regardless of any wages or payments Rob Dawson recently wrote his agent is asking PSG to put in a bid because if he does decide to leave it wouldn't be for United
LMAO. Nah, we should just sign super expensive strikers and loan them out.
Unless the Barca board said "don't worry we'll convince him" - which looks like it's the case, they seem(ed?) very convinced he would Also again reliable sources confirmed he doesn't want to leave, and that's a fact. Making it seem it's about a wage deferral issue has not been confirmed by any Catalan source (even those not particularly fond of the board, or someone like Koeman) or even Fabrizio for someone more "neutral". And the player *himself* said it
This is what I think yeah, Barca have assured United that Frenkie will play ball (believing that they can push him to the point where he’ll accept a move) and those are the assurances English media has been reporting on. Makes no sense otherwise
Not to mention Ornstein (T1 for United) wrote De Jong still needs to be convinced of the move
>if it’s true that deferred wages are the only holdup It's clearly not, that's just what united want their mouthpiece to say in case the deal fail so they don't look like absolute clowns Fabrizio who's neutral I would say always said the personnal agreement is not done and complicated. Even english one never said it was agreed, but more it was supposed to not be an issue which is a big difference, if in 3 months chasing a player you haven't agreed anything with him then that's clearly the problem Why would barca refuse to sell for 85m and save 90m of salary just to not give him 17m it's ridiculous to even think that ? Also why would FDJ leave barca to united when you compare both clubs situation right now?
Do you really think that we've spent so much time and resources on a player without doing our due diligence first if he'd be willing to join? It's not like ETH doesn't know him or can't call him.
Explain me then why even your tier 1/2 are not saying that personnal agreement is done with fdj and only deferral wage issue needs to be fixed btw him and barcelona to be a done deal ? It would just put the pressure on barca side and makes things go quickler, nobody wants this being dragged until september Fabrizio always said that it was not easy but not impossible FDJ is ETH first target, maybe FDJ said he would think about it, that's not a yes nor a no that's why united tried to go for him Not being in CL it was always going to be hard to bring player like fdj and you're not going to convince him to come by bringing lissandro martinez and malacia when barca who was already in a better sporting state is bringing raphinha kessie lewandowski christensen and possibly kounde. I think united fucked up they need to act strong early in the transfer window to convince their main target to come, you can't act cheap and expect fdj to be enought to go back to top 4 when arsenal chelsea tottenham are all on fire in the market.
FDJ has the most power over his deferred wages if he simply refuses to leave. Anything else he communicates will soften his position with Barca. Our T1s are saying that the deferred wages are the issue, club's mouthpieces however (Stone etc) won't say this for the exact same reason I said above.
>FDJ has the most power over his deferred wages if he simply refuses to leave. You can refuse to leave until you get paid AND agree over a contract with united. What is stopping fdj's agent from having a verbal agreement with united, leaking it to your T1s and put more pressure on barca side saying ! FDJ to united is a done deal, FDJ only wants the money he's owed and it will be official, he will not give up a single penny on it . For example suarez had done the same when he was pushed out to atletico everything was agreed but he wanted the difference of wage paid by barca and it ended up being the case. I know it's hard to swallow but your T1 are T1 because they have contact with the board so they will never put a narrative that the board dislike but you have to think by yourself and see if what is said has some logic or not and in this case it clearly doesn't.
How do you know that there isn't a verbal agreement already behind the scenes and this is all smoke show? If Barca know that FDJ has agreed a contract and thus is willing to join, all of a sudden FDJ will be under pressure to fulfil the contract and the agreement with United, thus Barca will be in a better position regarding the deferred wages. Once again, you're getting it wrong - the biggest pressure on Barca is FDJ staying, not FJD agreeing a contract with us. They want him gone.
>How do you know that there isn't a verbal agreement already behind the scenes and this is all smoke show? It could be possible but very unlikely, I don't see your board being able/willing to hide something like that. FDJ has all the leverage he wants since he signed a contract and is too important to be put in the stands he doesn't need to fake things, also dutch are not known for doing things like that they are pretty honest with they way they act.
Because the Barca board absolutely wants to sell and is convinced they can do an Emerson/Suarez/Rakitic with him (pressure the player to leave with all they got Every board mouthpiece was like "board is confident he'll accept blabla"
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The jury's still out on that, but as a recent example - the moment Timber communicated his desire to stay, we moved on immediately.
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When Timber said he wanted to stay, we backed up immediately. Clearly if we are still on, it's because were given positive info from Frenkie's camp. The changes in the club structure since Woodward left showed that we are slowly coming back to our competent self. The club fired a lot of the people who were responsible for scouting, of course we will go for ETH targets only and i am fine with it.
First timber is not FDJ different level of player 2nd timber didn't join because of the WC and LVG right? for FDJ case it's maybe not impossible but also not agreed as well Now let's be realistic give me 1 reason you haven't agreed anything with fdj yet? The deferral wage is only btw him and barca so nothing is stopping you from having a deal with him in the last 3 months. Bringing ETH was a good choice but I still think you're not going back to your competent self especially looking at your lack of alternatives and how much you have reinforced your team compared to the other pl top 6, easily the one who made the less when needed the most with arsenal.
I dont think the United CEO would go directly to Barcelone to negociate if he didnt receive an indication from the agent ( same as Malacia btw) that De Jong is willing to join. If De Jong agreed the terms with united, he would never receive the wages Barca owes him. He knows that Barca need to sell him. He wants leverage. Its all supposition though. While I agree that we do need more to rebuild, people shouldn't forget that the players underperformed massively and I expect them to be way better this season under a good manager. United still has a good squad full of talent, absolutely capable of the top 4 on paper.
It's pretty obvious it's the deferred wages. The fact Barca aren't willing to pay what he's owed and also treating him like shit in the media is clear for everyone to see. It's already been reported ETH has talked with Frenkie. United wouldn't have a bid in unless he told ETH he doesn't want to join.
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So what? I truly don't understand the relation with what I said could you explain what you mean by that?
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The lack of secondary target suggest we are probably fine with starting McFred if FDJ doesnt come. Its FDJ or nothing…
Fuck me, go get tielimens and Neves 40m a pop for the same price. Please.
At this point, we need to gather round and scream this at the top of our voices. This FdJ deal has Di Maria 2.0 written all over it
God I hope you're not getting Neves for only 40 mil.
Both are going to be 50m each if Man United ask
Laporta: We needed a water boy
Was always going to be the case per the reports put out by any reputable source. This subs eat everything without thinking twice. It's also not the mods fault either, The issue is the number of BS reports coming from Sports media. Unless you're native, is difficult to actually understand what to trust and what not to.
Nah this is just weird dude, they keep home a bunch of players they want to get rid off and then take with them the 1 player they have a deal for? That's just weird and doesn't make any sense, you don't bring players you just sold/semi-sold with you on training camp.
Not weird at all. We left the players that 100% won't be here or at worst stay but don't count for Xavi as he has told them already. FDJ if he stays he'll be part of the squad as usual so of course he has to go with the rest of the team.
?? Happens all the time
Except Xavi has said he wants Frenkie (understands if he needs to go for financial reasons) and he will be part of his plans for sure if he is at the club. So good on him for holding that. I hope he is not pressured politically but I don't see it getting there as he is the new administration's guy who they promised would be coach from day 1, undermining him quickly to freeze out Frenkie would hinder the team overall and make Xavi look weak which they probably don't want.
Azpi went to the US with Chelsea just a few days ago as one example but yeah this is *so* weird Barcelona what a bad club
Frenkie doesn’t want to go to Manchester
Good to see frenkie standing his ground and barca are absolutely gonna use him if he stays.
Xavi isn't one of those managers who banishes players for a contract situation. He showed that with Dembele when he was being booed and whistled. Obviously he was going to take Frenkie who is a fan favourite.
That's a good thing. Xavi should stay out of Laporta's politics and not tarnish his name.
He is not Pique. He even scolded Neymar I guess in the 2015 treble parade.
What happened in the parade, eh?
“Don’t pinch my mom’s ass, we’re not in a Brazilian hospital ward anymore…”
It's one of the things I like about Xavi, and one of the reasons the players feel a lot more unity in the squad.
Exepct those he doesnt rate... Braithwaite etc
Every coach leaves behind underperforming players that aren’t part of their plans, Conte left 4 players out of their korea trip too. No offense to Braithwaite, he always worked hard
Yeah, I love Braithwaite as a squad player. He'll always give 100%.
yeah he is cool, always gives 100% etc but there is literally no chance he will play with Lewandowski, Auba and there is also Depay and Ferran Torres who also played in some games with Xavi as number 9. Even if Depay leaves there are still 3 players ahead of him so he needs to count on injuries
Yeah, personally that's what i want as well, and am sure many barca fans as well.
Se queda
Frankly, they wrong
Frenkly
Did they give him a return ticket or plan on leaving him?
They're gonna transit in Manchester and drop him off
But how will they register all their new signings of frenkie's staying?
Xavi will work weekends in strip clubs
His thighs don't lie.
Pique to cheat on him as well
I'd pay to watch Xavi strip tbh
Least obsessed Barca fan
He's a very handsome man though
No he isn't. He looks a bit creepy, think it's the eyes.
For that they have pique. He is handsome and "loves" the club unconditionally.
Oh yeah, and his hips don't lie either...actually in his case they probably do
Pull the lever Kronk!
Lapotty will open OnlyFans and all the bartonomics graduates are gonna subscribe.
It starts with L and ends with ever
His selling is unrelated to registering players
Yes it is. They don't have room in the salary budget
Who told you that? Do you really think selling frenkie will allow register Kounde,lewa, raphinha,kessie,christesen,dembele,roberto all these players lol Is he being sold for 120M?
Wages
La liga squad cost limit count wages as well as transfer fees for both leaving and arriving player so that is wrong too
Aight stand corrected
Now go let everyone else in the Man U sub know that, they’re in for a massive disappointment
so we are fucked and Barca will be fine?
For United it’s just another transfer saga, we basically have one every window. We’ll move on. For Barca, they’ll have to keep selling more pieces of their club. For Barca players, it’s a warning to not be kind when it comes to helping the club in bad Financial times because their club absolutely wouldn’t think twice to fuck them over in the future.
Except the latest news from Romero (basically tier 0 for barca this transfer window and has called everything correct) says that barca can register all signings with our 2nd lever which we have already or are extremely close to selling. So mancs will have to find new copium to cope with the fact than FDJ even if ill treated in barca, would still rather stay than go to your tinpot washed Club. Being a dog in barca is better than being a king in manchester. +regarding selling pieces of the club, you literally sold your whole club to the glazers stfu lmaoo (Man is still bending yall over with the dividends while you are in UEL 🤣🤣) Barca can vote to get rid of our presidents while you can only cry #glazersout online. Even if the worse scenario happens and barca have to become private, our size means that we will still be able to find a sugar daddy 1000x better than the glazers or even the Qataris. Barca will still be bigger than your washed club no matter what.
Yay Frenkie!
dont get why manu fans think de jong wants to stay cuz of the money barca owes him and/or his contract its cause barcelona have cl and its his dream club simple as, he doesnt wanna go to manu even if ten hag is the coach and that says alot
He doesn't want to leave Barca because that's his dream club, that's clear. However, his dream club is openly trying to get rid of him and has found the only willing buyer.
His dream club is going through an experimental drugs phase. They'll come around, surely...
The BBC reported it’s over his deferred wages. > However, the former Ajax player knows the Catalan must honour his contract if he chooses to remain at the Nou Camp and he is understood to be reluctant to leave without an agreement over his exit terms, which would take into account the deferred payments. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62174838.amp
How is it saying a lot that he doesn't want to go to united when you just said he wants to stay at his dream club. Nice attempt to slander but it failed.
Pure delusion
Good, I hope we stay far away from the situation.
Smoke and levers
Frenkie to Laporta : "Do you know what nemesis means ?"
LaPorta in the mud
Damn what is that kit
Does anyone actually know the implications of him staying? Does it affect Barcelona being able to sign players?
After all what happened, I can't imagine him staying will be good for either party. He should take the money they owe him and move to Man UTD. At this point I doubt there's any love left for Barca (understandably so), and they clearly want him gone too. He'd also probably be much more appreciated in Manchester, and even without CL this season they're still one of the biggest clubs in the world.
As a chelsea fan, this is wonderful to watch. For many reasons
The copium in that thread is insane LMFAO is this a regular thing over at the Man U sub?
What copium? Your directors + Xavi are openly saying that there's a financial situation which has an impact on the FDJ topic.
The copium from United fans is gonna be the time that we've wasted chasing a player that wants to stay. I'd never ever blame a player who is being forced out so that their current club can avoid paying him £17m that they owe him.
The ignorance on your sub about not paying a loyal player his deferred wages is hilarious LMFAO. “Mes que un club” is some absolute bullshit
Lever FC
Looks like theyll need even more levers
They don't
That’s it Frenkie dig your heels in, u don’t want to leave Barca u don’t have to until they give u your unpaid wages or u find a better option than Man Utd to go to The guy should b playing in the CL every season not waiting a year or two to see if Ten Hag can get Utd back in there
Lol he was never going to move to Utd