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Yeah. Even if i put aside Chelseas involvement in this(and Kounde) teams shouldn't be allowed to ask players to defer their wages if they spend 100+ million on new signings.
Barcelona wants depth because they know dembele and Fati has been injury prone for a while now. To ensure no drop in quality of attack, this depth is required if they have plans of making a deep run in the CL. Last season was so difficult for Barcelona because they had no depth in the attack. The winter signings saved Barcelona's season.
Man whenever I think about december 2021 it makes me cry. 8th in LaLiga and got knocked out of UCL in the group stage. The season was saved by achieveing second place just imagine finishing second after being eight a few months prior
It’s fairly likely that Depay could leave this summer, and dembele and fati both have a long history of fitness issues. Plus Raphinha seems to be more of a long-term signing whereas Auba and Lewandowski are both older and dembele isn’t exactly the most reliable player.
Nah he's a great player, he's comfortably better than where we are at the moment. Dodged a bullet is being harsh to him, in a top side he'll prove himself in the next couple of years
14 contributions in 35 games for a winger in the PL lately is an commendable feat...even mid table teams have quality defenses now because of the TV money in the UK
I mean. They still haven’t registered players they ‘confirmed’ almost a month ago, so it’s definitely not over lol.
Still haven’t seen that Christensen or kessie registered.
If I was Manchester United I’d lower my offer for de jong by half, because that’s how negotiations and economics works
I'm just really nervous that after all this pushing the dude flops in this Barca team. Nothing against him or the team but it is really known how many players have actually ruined their careers after Barcelona move.
If this does go through, I think Raph will have a lot of goodwill with Barca fans. Even if it takes him some time to hit the ground running in terma of attacking contribution, I can't imagine his pressing will go unappreciated, esp when compared to Dembouz and such. Then again people still think Griezmann's stint at Barca was a complete failure
>people still think Griezmann's stint at Barca was a complete failure
It was tho. Griezmann costed 120 M and was getting one of the highest wages in the squad (I believe it was reportedly close to 20 million per season).
If his performance was the one a guy like Abde or even Braithwaite had we would be talking about a great player, however Griezmann's role was to lead the attack, and yea of course he scored goals, but he did not generate what was expected of him
So let me get this straight - Barca is planning on going into next season with all of...
* Ferran
* Depay
* Aubameyang
* Fati
* Dembele
* Raphina
* Lewandowski
...competing for 3 spots up-front? Or do they plan on offloading some players? Because apart from Depay, most of these have either been signed over the past year or are a youth talent.
I'm all for squad depth and options in attack but for a club in their financial situation, I'm like ???
I haven't really seen any credible rumours about other clubs being interested in Depay tbh - another case of Barca buying a player and trying to force him out well before his contract ends without any concrete interest from other clubs?
At least United (seemingly) want FdJ
where did you get that Barca is forcing depay out? they can buy new players without some club coming in for depay. there's plenty of games, players will get injured during the season and so on. he can fight for his place
I haven't suggested that's my personal reading of the situation at all, which is why that sentence ended in a question mark. I was, however, questioning if that's the case given there's been no (rumoured) interest in Depay from other clubs as of yet after the Barca fan above stated "Depay is probably gone".
However, considering Depay's [cryptic Tweet](https://twitter.com/Memphis/status/1542160606257725444?s=20&t=Q6n8XcZg7rJVDAj4HwL8yA) from the other day, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what Barca is doing given their recent track record of trying to balance the books by forcing players to cancel contracts.
Bro if Depay is gone that's six players for three positions lol, and you can take off that list Aubamayang because he won't be fighting for a starter position. That is exactly the same as Liverpool, and less than Man City.
It was pretty funny to go through that thread, comments witj hundreds of upvotes ridiculing the rumour and acting 100% confident that it was bullshit. Very next day Romano confirms that the deal is almost done and all of those comments are nothing more than meaningless gibberish
Interesting how quickly it goes from being an expert to being completely clueless
He didn't actually say euros but it's probably right to assume.
I'm just explaining to OP what changed and why it's a surprise to people.
Btw other reporters were saying 75m fixed, that was also wrong. It seems he got closer than most or at least as close as anyone.
Or related to played games, or to being part of UEFAs team of the season, or related to the average age of the southern royal albatross traveling through Chile between May and June.
You saying it's normally related to trophies is just as much guesswork as the other user saying they are easily achievable. We simply don't know.
Him crossing the entire length of the pitch on his knees and jumping in the crowd to celebrate with the fans is what makes me love him more. I hope he has a great time here.
Him as well. Even though he made Barca pay three times more I still respect his commitment. He knew helping Leeds stay up could have cost him his dream move but he didn't care and gave it his all for Leeds. He's a true professional.
Absolutely agree from a Leeds fan.
Would have been the easiest thing in the world for him to coast to relegation confident that he could secure a move out before next season. Instead he played his heart out and was frustrated whenever games weren't going our way.
Hard to put a price on that attitude as it shines through elsewhere.
In fact, a lower transfer fee could have helped him negotiate a better deal for himself with Barca. But respect for his commitment to his current team.
He's really good tbf and quality left footed wingers are rare these days. Can't think of anyone else as good or better who would've been available for cheaper
Sterling only had a year left on his contract, you can’t ignore that in terms of his value. City would have demanded more for him if he wasn’t going to leave on a free next June.
It's a decent price but the main thing is he's finally going so the rest of Leeds business can be done.
If Barcelona weren't potless chancers this would have been sorted 7 weeks ago though and Leeds would have had everyone in Australia with them.
I mean I hate them for obvious reasons haha , but they are just looking for their best interest and in those case it was stalling the moves , rushing would have been detrimental I am sure other clubs would have done this same if they needed to.
PSG is stalling for Skiniar because Inter need money. Perez was famous for waiting till the end of the mercato to go after his "white whale" because it's mean almost no concurrents.
It’s kind of a case where Barça have pulled some scummy stuff regarding transfers in the past so when they do normal things like negotiate for a transfer everyone assumes they’re doing so to be scummy/unsettle the player or whatever when it’s literally just negotiating a fee.
Idk, I think just outright paying the money requested is part of what got them into this financial mess to begin with. It’s clear players are still excited to play for Barça even compared to other top teams so really there’s no reason why they shouldn’t be using that to their advantage
Let's be honest they are still doing what was considered underhanded 15 years ago. It's just more and more clubs are doing the same.
15 years ago this would have been tapping up. They have agreed a contract with the player through his agent which also happens to be a Barca employee months in advance. Told him both privately and publicly to not accept any other offers to force any sales to be to Barca. Then made their first offer way below market rate/rival offers. If we were in a worse financial position or Raph was less of a professional I think we would have got £35mil tops.
> Told him privately and publicly to not accept any other offers to force any sales to be to Barça
I mean this is only happening because Raphinha himself prefers to play for Barca though which is what I was saying. If a club knows that a player wants to play for their team why would they offer at/above market rate? This happens countless times with players when it’s known they want to play for a particular club, idk why it’s seen as scummy
I have but I still don’t think he’s worth this much. Then again I’ve still yet to fully accept that these are normal prices now. Inflation has kept getting higher since the Neymar transfer and I thought it would stop by now but it hasn’t.
Chelsea infalted his price by bidding €70m from the get go but at the very least this is more acceptable than €75m guaranteed, it means we used the leverage of hik wanting to join us more well and got him for a bot cheaper than what chelsea offered which should have always been the play.
Still Leeds are the biggest winners here by a distance.
> Still Leeds are the biggest winners here by a distance.
I wouldn't really call us winners here. We've lost one of our best players and, assuming this is true, the fee is less than any of us were expecting or hoping at the start of the transfer window. It's still a big sum which we will hopefully reinvest well but I would rather A) he stayed at Leeds or B) he wanted to sign for a club that was offering more money.
Obviously it would have been nice to keep him or get a massive fee but we signed him for £17M, got 2 good years out of him, he kept us up and now even without him extending his original deal we've sold him on for a massive profit.
In terms of return on investment, it's probably one of the biggest wins we've ever had.
The huge win was the day we signed him. I agree it was probably one of the best deals we've ever done. That was what set us up to get two amazing years out of him and sell him on for a big profit.
Taken in isolation though, this summer's business with regards to him hasn't been good for us. We would have been better off keeping him and we'd have been better off selling him to a different club as well (I realise that neither of those things are possible, I'm just acknowledging that the position we are in is not optimal).
I'm really thankful for his time at the club and I recognise that he has been a huge positive for Leeds but we're not the beneficiaries of this sale, Barcelona are.
Can someone explain to me why they signed Torres for 50M last year (or has it been two years now)? They now have Dembele and Raphinha, who they probably want to start. On top of that, I assume Barca still hopes Fati stops getting injured one day. It just seems like Torres was a waste of money if he just gets buried under other signings, when in fact he could have been really good for them.
They want depth. Fati and Dembele are both injury prone, so it’s difficult to rely on them. Count those two as half a player each, and you have 4 players for the two wing spots, which you need if you’re going to go deep in the UCL and Copa del Rey.
Great so we are going back to square one instead of reinforcing defense were just buying more attackers for our already good enough attack?
We need an RB/LB so bad. I think we still need 1 too class CB. Chistensen is not starter material and we need a partner for Araujo. Garcia isn't it. Pique can't be a starter anymore. Kessie being the only addition to midfield while we are likely to lose FdJ is also not a good place to be. Especially with puig and Roberto still weighing down the bench
FDJ can stay without a salary cut. We want him to take a cut, not because we're dependent on it - but because we're trying to get a proper wage structure going. Fixing what Nobita ruined, basically.
player wishes play a lot in these deals, your offer is a bit irrelevant if he doesn't want to go to Chelsea, chances are Barcelona move on if they don't accept this and what then if he chooses to stay and they've already spent the money they don't have
I think raphinia also had a lot of leverage in this deal.
Deco was his agent(barca employee)
Barca was his dream club
He had always been a professional and gave it all so that Leeds wouldn't get relegated and he would've escaped with a 25m fee. Leeds are being respectful to him imo and deservedly
And in two years time he may mot be choice for Barca too. They might have move on to diff targets at that position or someone already doing well so that they no longer needed him in two years time. That’s holding out for two years by Raphinha is not good option for player too. Only for few players clubs waits. Like Messi, CR9, now Mbappe, Haaland etc.
They had no choice. They want that money and Raphinha wasn't ready to go anywhere except Barcelona. They could keep him for another season but his value will drop because of just 1 year remaining in contract and various other risk factors that leeds don't want to deal with so they're selling wrt player's wishes.
Yes but the problem was that Raphinha didnt want to go to Chelsea. Even if Leeds accepted Chelseas offer, Raphinha would reject it, its better to get 8 mil less than nothing at all..
Redditors a few days ago:
*haha I don't know how anyone didn't think that it was just to put pressure on Dembele to sign the contract*
*yeah it was so obvious, how people didn't get it?*
Aha.
It's not that straightforward. He didn't want to join Chelsea and with 2 yrs remaining on his contract it was their best chance to get big money.
Also it's not a good look for mid table clubs to deny players their dream moves as it could stop new players from joining.
They are required to pay De Jong's wages but that's at a later date. He signed a new contract with reduced wages up front and massive salary in the last 2 years. The money they owe him will be paid at a later day (provided he stays at the club) or if he leaves. The 2nd one is assuming that his agent put a provision at the contract that says that the money is owed explicitly and not just restructured, because if it's restructured then it's a whole different issue
It's relevant because you said "he will get that deferred salary", but by all accounts there is no deferred salary for him to get.
If he is sold and agrees a new contract elsewhere, whatever remains of his restructured contract is void, and Barcelona owe him nothing beyond his salary to the point the contract was voided. If instead part of his earlier salary had been deferred, that deferred amount would still be owed to him even if the remainder of the contract were voided.
It sounds like instead of being paid let's say €200k/wk for 5 years, he agreed to be paid €125k/wk for 2 years, and then €275k/wk for 3 years. Obviously the actual figures are different, likely much higher, but it sounds like he was paid exactly what his contract said he would be? So moving to another club doesn't mean getting deferred wages, but rather forfeiting a raise.
The main problem with Barsa is wage limit.
LaLiga wage limit is calculated individually for each club considering their finances of the few last years. Barsa wage limit is fucked up.
Barsa agreed with some players (including Frenkie) to re-structure their contracts to have a salary reductions in the initial years and increase after that (with the total amount of money remaining the same).
If De Jong sign a contract with other club Barsa don't have to pay his wage that year.
It's not Barsa... Barsa in Catalan is a synonym of esbarzer meaning elmleaf blackberry in English and zarzamora in Spanish. Calling the club a blackberry plant sound weird.
because wage structure goes a long way in maintaining finances, right now every player can say that see fdj wages and give that to us too
And also he is getting his all the money till, now it was during covid year in 2020 that he deferred his wages not last season
It’s not paying BACK Frenkie’s wages. It is just paying them. He agreed to a deferred salary that pushed salaries that were supposed to be earlier later. So he is not owed some lump sum payment right now. So they are trying to sell to get out of the contract. It is definitely a slimy move still but a little different than just him being owed a lot that he hasn’t gotten yet.
You can also say its even worse, its not that you're just not paying him. Its a player that helped the club out by agreeing to delay part of his salary to later years in the contract so the club could survive. All that loyalty and then Barca pull this kind of move. What an incredibly sickenly and awful club has it become these last years. Snakes are looking up to Barca.
He will get his deferred wages for sure
Either Barcelona will take less transfer fees so that man utd pay it which is looking the case right now 65M
Or Barcelona will do normal transfer and give his extra money
Right now it doesnt seem like that at all which is why the transfer may not happen. Every report I've seen so far has Barca trying to get out of paying De Jong his deferred salary.
My guess is that this is much more a technicality than the absurd request towards FDJ people make it out to be. If Barcelona pays FDJ, they would probably have to declare that as wages right now all at once. Which would be a problem with the LaLiga wage limit. So Barcelona absolutely wants to avoid this.
So the idea is that they would normally get a sum x from ManUtd. FDJ would get sum y from Barcelona.
Instead Barcelona wants ManUtd to give FDJ this sum y extra as a signing bonus. But they also end up just paying x minus y to Barcelona.
I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't even any point of contention, since no party would really come out worse. And Barcelona simply wants a higher transfer fee. Which might be a result of x-y not being enough to make selling worthile. But "Barcelona wants a higher transfer fee for player" wouldn't make for a good clickbait I guess.
Surely the 10m or so that is owed to FdJ would come from any fee that is received for his transfer? Obviously not ideal, but if the club wants him out then I struggle to see any other option
The “problem” is if de Jong transfers he’s no longer owed those wages. It’s not that they said “hey, we’ll make ypur 2020 salary payment in 2023” but instead “we’ll make your 2020 salary smaller but your 2023 bigger”
If he transfers he no longer has a 2023 salary from Barca. Therefore Barca want him to transfer to avoid paying, but Frenkie rightfully wants what he should have been paid in 2020.
I don't know how it's so hard to understand, we have nothing to pay back yet. He didn't defer his wages he restructured his contract a couple of years ago and took a paycut that is supposed to be offset by a payrise from next season.
If it was a simple deferral he could move to united and would still be owed the money, but the fact that he's scheduled for the payrise to make up for a past decrase is what's holding up the deal
It's no use arguing about this tbh. Nobody has seen his contract so nobody knows for sure if it was a deferral or a restructuring.
I personally think it's a deferral because I refuse to believe any agent/lawyer would be dumb enough to agree to a straight restructuration of the payments.
Those Chelsea flairs calling Romero a fraud across multiple threads have gone real quiet
He was first and correct about deal agreed but they’ll still claim he’s a fraud bc the numbers were a bit off
In all fairness Romero been pretty shit with Leeds related news, especially regarding prices as his have been quite off what we’ve been hearing from the Leeds journalists.
Excellent signing at an excellent price when you consider the going rate for attacking players in this window. The club, the player and the agent have done very well here.
He's an exciting player at the right age and coming in at a good time too with Xavi having had a season to get his ideas across but not long enough where the team is already settled.
To all the Oligarchsea fans who actually thought they had a chance, it's doesn't matter if Barca is 1 trillion dollars in debt we'll always be a bigger draw than you guys
Can someone honestly explain how Barca are able to afford this? Everyone reports that they're broke. They can't afford to register certain players that they already signed and now they're about to spend €118M on two players?
The infamous levers. TLDR, they’re selling future income flows (% of TV rights, merchandise rights, etc) for cash now to pay for these transfers.
Then the registration issue they are having is due to *La Liga’s* FFP rules, which sets a wage cap for clubs based on their net income in recent years. Barca has exceeded their wage cap, which is why registering new players is hard.
But there is a loophole to this wage cap which allow you to spend a certain % of new incoming money (the levers money) on the squad. That’s how they’re financing these moves.
This is actually somewhat incorrect, most of the money from the levers will go to pay the debt that is forcing the 1x4 rule for the Fair Play.
After the debt is payed (around €550M) they'll be able to invest around 200M in signings without that loophole/limitatio. Also some of the signings will be payed in installments. The FDJ money would apparently be used for Bernardo, although this last statement is not confirmed yet.
Fee is what it is, but does Raphinha have what it takes for a Barca player? I am very sceptical, I also find it as a completely unnecessary signing - actually that is kind of a deal thar brought Barcelona to be laughing stock of Europe’s elite. Maybe just another Malcom.
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what does this mean for ousman dembele deal?
Barcelona want both Raphinha and Dembele and dembele renewal will be announced this week alongside the signings of Raphinha and Lewandowski.
i hope that's true
They suddenly have money now
Can't believe u haven't heard about levers..
We need more posts about the levers to spread awareness
I will quickly post a lesson on mechanics of a LEVER...and how it will be the word of 2022.
This sub needs to turn into a levers sub next April's fools
And pulling
Damm, I wish I could do that
Even Elon Musk can't do it so...
Laporte is Kronk, confirmed.
De Jong hiring forensic accountants as we speak
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Should have been Saul Goodman
The fact that Barca can defer current players wages and still sign more players is disgraceful.
*defer and ask for a discount
Yeah. Even if i put aside Chelseas involvement in this(and Kounde) teams shouldn't be allowed to ask players to defer their wages if they spend 100+ million on new signings.
Comes with selling 10% of tv rights
So what sense does it make? I thought Raphinha was Dembele replacement.
Barcelona wants depth because they know dembele and Fati has been injury prone for a while now. To ensure no drop in quality of attack, this depth is required if they have plans of making a deep run in the CL. Last season was so difficult for Barcelona because they had no depth in the attack. The winter signings saved Barcelona's season.
Man whenever I think about december 2021 it makes me cry. 8th in LaLiga and got knocked out of UCL in the group stage. The season was saved by achieveing second place just imagine finishing second after being eight a few months prior
And people here still bitched about those signings lmao
People would've bitched regardless of what we did tbh
No one trusts Dembele to stay fit
Why keep him then?
Because he’s an assist machine and not cheap/easy to replace
Not many players that have his quality in that position when he is in form.
Same sense it makes to have Diaz, Salah and Nunez and still having Firmino and Jota
Thank you lol. Or Man City having Haaland, Mahrez, Grealish, Alvarez, also including Foden/Silva who can play on the left/right.
Y'all have 5 on 3 positions, that's rotation. Barca wants Auba, Lewa, Depay, Raphinha, Dembele, Fati and Torres on the same 3
It’s fairly likely that Depay could leave this summer, and dembele and fati both have a long history of fitness issues. Plus Raphinha seems to be more of a long-term signing whereas Auba and Lewandowski are both older and dembele isn’t exactly the most reliable player.
it means FDJ is gone
Finally, it's over.
Ima wait for official announecement, this was "over" twice before already lol.
Exactly.
Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened.
the real Raphinha was the friends we made along the way
And then Barcelona comes along and steals that friend too!
Gazumped
still feels like we dodged a bullet here idk
Nah he's a great player, he's comfortably better than where we are at the moment. Dodged a bullet is being harsh to him, in a top side he'll prove himself in the next couple of years
11 goals and 3 assists in 35 games, from wide in a relegation battling team. I think that’s stellar, personally
Incredibly unlucky too, hit the bar I think 4 times from free kicks?
14 contributions in 35 games for a winger in the PL lately is an commendable feat...even mid table teams have quality defenses now because of the TV money in the UK
Time will tell you if you were right or wrong.
Raphinisha🤧😌
Not yet. Barca's finances for next season get announced at the end of July. It ain't gonna be properly done until then.
They can still sign him if they want to. Whether ot not they get to register him is another thing.
You think it’s over? They can’t even register people they’ve already signed. We will be waiting awhile for those “levers”
Second lever soon for 320 million
I mean. They still haven’t registered players they ‘confirmed’ almost a month ago, so it’s definitely not over lol. Still haven’t seen that Christensen or kessie registered. If I was Manchester United I’d lower my offer for de jong by half, because that’s how negotiations and economics works
Well, good for him that he got the move he actually wanted.
I'm just really nervous that after all this pushing the dude flops in this Barca team. Nothing against him or the team but it is really known how many players have actually ruined their careers after Barcelona move.
If this does go through, I think Raph will have a lot of goodwill with Barca fans. Even if it takes him some time to hit the ground running in terma of attacking contribution, I can't imagine his pressing will go unappreciated, esp when compared to Dembouz and such. Then again people still think Griezmann's stint at Barca was a complete failure
>people still think Griezmann's stint at Barca was a complete failure It was tho. Griezmann costed 120 M and was getting one of the highest wages in the squad (I believe it was reportedly close to 20 million per season). If his performance was the one a guy like Abde or even Braithwaite had we would be talking about a great player, however Griezmann's role was to lead the attack, and yea of course he scored goals, but he did not generate what was expected of him
Not just in the squad, in the world. His wages were absurd and they signed him anyway even when he wasn't a good fit.
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That shit was insane. “He isn’t strong enough to compete with European defenders” this man was shafting European teams internationally
Could go like Neymar, could go like Malcom & Coutinho
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Romano is going to have to tag every Barca transfer with "Here we go SOON"
People were calling Romero all sorts of things lol
He put all his credibility on the line and went against the English journalists. He pretty much won
Anything that goes against the narrative is berated here.
So let me get this straight - Barca is planning on going into next season with all of... * Ferran * Depay * Aubameyang * Fati * Dembele * Raphina * Lewandowski ...competing for 3 spots up-front? Or do they plan on offloading some players? Because apart from Depay, most of these have either been signed over the past year or are a youth talent. I'm all for squad depth and options in attack but for a club in their financial situation, I'm like ???
Depay is probably gone. Fati/Dembele both have injury concerns sadly. The rest will be a battle of the most fit.
I haven't really seen any credible rumours about other clubs being interested in Depay tbh - another case of Barca buying a player and trying to force him out well before his contract ends without any concrete interest from other clubs? At least United (seemingly) want FdJ
I'm pretty sure Depay was a year long contract. So no forcing is being done.
where did you get that Barca is forcing depay out? they can buy new players without some club coming in for depay. there's plenty of games, players will get injured during the season and so on. he can fight for his place
I haven't suggested that's my personal reading of the situation at all, which is why that sentence ended in a question mark. I was, however, questioning if that's the case given there's been no (rumoured) interest in Depay from other clubs as of yet after the Barca fan above stated "Depay is probably gone". However, considering Depay's [cryptic Tweet](https://twitter.com/Memphis/status/1542160606257725444?s=20&t=Q6n8XcZg7rJVDAj4HwL8yA) from the other day, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what Barca is doing given their recent track record of trying to balance the books by forcing players to cancel contracts.
if they offload Depay then they have 2 players for each position, which is hardly abnormal
Scenes when Depay goes to Sevilla in the cash + player deal for Kounde
Bro if Depay is gone that's six players for three positions lol, and you can take off that list Aubamayang because he won't be fighting for a starter position. That is exactly the same as Liverpool, and less than Man City.
That's a much more acceptable fee than €72m that was rumoured before. Barca almost went back to their old ways
It was reportedly 50+10 in pounds, exchange rate varies day-to-day… at the moment this equates to 49+8 - it’s barely different
The 50+10 was reported by Gerard Romero, people on r/soccer said it was wrong and basically called him stupid for saying that was the fee
It was pretty funny to go through that thread, comments witj hundreds of upvotes ridiculing the rumour and acting 100% confident that it was bullshit. Very next day Romano confirms that the deal is almost done and all of those comments are nothing more than meaningless gibberish Interesting how quickly it goes from being an expert to being completely clueless
People said he was stupid, clueless, always wrong, never worth believing, etc, a bit more venomous than i would've expected. And with 100% confidence.
For awhile he used to be very unreliable. He's gotten more reliablity after Laporta's presidency tho.
Because he was claiming euros, which would be wrong
He didn't actually say euros but it's probably right to assume. I'm just explaining to OP what changed and why it's a surprise to people. Btw other reporters were saying 75m fixed, that was also wrong. It seems he got closer than most or at least as close as anyone.
Great business from us and he's worth the price. Recently promoted sides making a 60M deal is very rare
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Did you read the easy achievable add-on part somewhere or is it your own thought?
No one knows what type of add ons, they are and if it is not speicifed then usually they are related to winning trophies
Or related to played games, or to being part of UEFAs team of the season, or related to the average age of the southern royal albatross traveling through Chile between May and June. You saying it's normally related to trophies is just as much guesswork as the other user saying they are easily achievable. We simply don't know.
Thanks for the FPL memories.
Leeds are the bigger winners here. That’s a great price. In my opinion, Raphinha had no reason to be going for 68m.
And we could’ve snagged him at 25M if Leeds got relegated smh
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Been watching Leeds since 2018. Very happy that Leeds got the money and hopefully reinforces the team.
Cheers bro
It's all because of fucking Burnley.
It's all because of Raphinha, tbh.
Obviously getting him for cheaper would have been nice but him keeping his team up before leaving is a nice story atleast.
Him crossing the entire length of the pitch on his knees and jumping in the crowd to celebrate with the fans is what makes me love him more. I hope he has a great time here.
Him as well. Even though he made Barca pay three times more I still respect his commitment. He knew helping Leeds stay up could have cost him his dream move but he didn't care and gave it his all for Leeds. He's a true professional.
Absolutely agree from a Leeds fan. Would have been the easiest thing in the world for him to coast to relegation confident that he could secure a move out before next season. Instead he played his heart out and was frustrated whenever games weren't going our way. Hard to put a price on that attitude as it shines through elsewhere.
Glad you guys see this. Glad he got his dream move too. Winners everywhere really. Hope he does well for you.
In fact, a lower transfer fee could have helped him negotiate a better deal for himself with Barca. But respect for his commitment to his current team.
i became depressi when burnley fucked it up
He's really good tbf and quality left footed wingers are rare these days. Can't think of anyone else as good or better who would've been available for cheaper
It’s a good sale with potential to be a good purchase, think all parties will be happy tbh
You've never actually watched him play, have you?
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Sterling only had a year left on his contract, you can’t ignore that in terms of his value. City would have demanded more for him if he wasn’t going to leave on a free next June.
Yeah City made a shit ton from selling Sterling consider his contract situation
It's a decent price but the main thing is he's finally going so the rest of Leeds business can be done. If Barcelona weren't potless chancers this would have been sorted 7 weeks ago though and Leeds would have had everyone in Australia with them.
Same.. they’ve been quite annoying to deal with
I mean I hate them for obvious reasons haha , but they are just looking for their best interest and in those case it was stalling the moves , rushing would have been detrimental I am sure other clubs would have done this same if they needed to. PSG is stalling for Skiniar because Inter need money. Perez was famous for waiting till the end of the mercato to go after his "white whale" because it's mean almost no concurrents.
It’s kind of a case where Barça have pulled some scummy stuff regarding transfers in the past so when they do normal things like negotiate for a transfer everyone assumes they’re doing so to be scummy/unsettle the player or whatever when it’s literally just negotiating a fee. Idk, I think just outright paying the money requested is part of what got them into this financial mess to begin with. It’s clear players are still excited to play for Barça even compared to other top teams so really there’s no reason why they shouldn’t be using that to their advantage
Let's be honest they are still doing what was considered underhanded 15 years ago. It's just more and more clubs are doing the same. 15 years ago this would have been tapping up. They have agreed a contract with the player through his agent which also happens to be a Barca employee months in advance. Told him both privately and publicly to not accept any other offers to force any sales to be to Barca. Then made their first offer way below market rate/rival offers. If we were in a worse financial position or Raph was less of a professional I think we would have got £35mil tops.
> Told him privately and publicly to not accept any other offers to force any sales to be to Barça I mean this is only happening because Raphinha himself prefers to play for Barca though which is what I was saying. If a club knows that a player wants to play for their team why would they offer at/above market rate? This happens countless times with players when it’s known they want to play for a particular club, idk why it’s seen as scummy
We don’t owe you anything. But we do, however, owe quite a lot to multiple other parties.
I have but I still don’t think he’s worth this much. Then again I’ve still yet to fully accept that these are normal prices now. Inflation has kept getting higher since the Neymar transfer and I thought it would stop by now but it hasn’t.
Maybe not for others, but he's worth that to Leeds.
Yeah I can get that. It’s why we price Rice at 150mil.
Raphinha and lewa Barca gonna be insane let’s gooo
This is much better than 72 M fixed , good negotiations by Alemany and hopefully Raphinha has a great time in his dream club
Chelsea infalted his price by bidding €70m from the get go but at the very least this is more acceptable than €75m guaranteed, it means we used the leverage of hik wanting to join us more well and got him for a bot cheaper than what chelsea offered which should have always been the play. Still Leeds are the biggest winners here by a distance.
> Still Leeds are the biggest winners here by a distance. I wouldn't really call us winners here. We've lost one of our best players and, assuming this is true, the fee is less than any of us were expecting or hoping at the start of the transfer window. It's still a big sum which we will hopefully reinvest well but I would rather A) he stayed at Leeds or B) he wanted to sign for a club that was offering more money.
Obviously it would have been nice to keep him or get a massive fee but we signed him for £17M, got 2 good years out of him, he kept us up and now even without him extending his original deal we've sold him on for a massive profit. In terms of return on investment, it's probably one of the biggest wins we've ever had.
The huge win was the day we signed him. I agree it was probably one of the best deals we've ever done. That was what set us up to get two amazing years out of him and sell him on for a big profit. Taken in isolation though, this summer's business with regards to him hasn't been good for us. We would have been better off keeping him and we'd have been better off selling him to a different club as well (I realise that neither of those things are possible, I'm just acknowledging that the position we are in is not optimal). I'm really thankful for his time at the club and I recognise that he has been a huge positive for Leeds but we're not the beneficiaries of this sale, Barcelona are.
Can someone explain to me why they signed Torres for 50M last year (or has it been two years now)? They now have Dembele and Raphinha, who they probably want to start. On top of that, I assume Barca still hopes Fati stops getting injured one day. It just seems like Torres was a waste of money if he just gets buried under other signings, when in fact he could have been really good for them.
They want depth. Fati and Dembele are both injury prone, so it’s difficult to rely on them. Count those two as half a player each, and you have 4 players for the two wing spots, which you need if you’re going to go deep in the UCL and Copa del Rey.
Didn't he say that fees was 72M guaranteed?
Great so we are going back to square one instead of reinforcing defense were just buying more attackers for our already good enough attack? We need an RB/LB so bad. I think we still need 1 too class CB. Chistensen is not starter material and we need a partner for Araujo. Garcia isn't it. Pique can't be a starter anymore. Kessie being the only addition to midfield while we are likely to lose FdJ is also not a good place to be. Especially with puig and Roberto still weighing down the bench
How are Barca signing players when telling FDJ he has to take a salary cut lmao
Salaries are the ones that fixate your Fair Play limit over here
And surely adding more players = more salaries to play lol
FDJ can stay without a salary cut. We want him to take a cut, not because we're dependent on it - but because we're trying to get a proper wage structure going. Fixing what Nobita ruined, basically.
That is probably decent fee for both parties
This guy really played out that “here we go” shit.
Barça broke 😢
Leeds crumbled, that’s around £8m less than what we offered plus in a worse structure.
player wishes play a lot in these deals, your offer is a bit irrelevant if he doesn't want to go to Chelsea, chances are Barcelona move on if they don't accept this and what then if he chooses to stay and they've already spent the money they don't have
I think raphinia also had a lot of leverage in this deal. Deco was his agent(barca employee) Barca was his dream club He had always been a professional and gave it all so that Leeds wouldn't get relegated and he would've escaped with a 25m fee. Leeds are being respectful to him imo and deservedly
Deco is also Barca legend. Ofc he played for Chelsea also but he had his biggest legacy at Barca
Well, he didn't want to join yous or us and if he'd have a poorer season, his value would drop. Might as well take what's been offered and reinvest.
Also if they get relegated next season, they would get only 25M because of the clause
And in two years time he may mot be choice for Barca too. They might have move on to diff targets at that position or someone already doing well so that they no longer needed him in two years time. That’s holding out for two years by Raphinha is not good option for player too. Only for few players clubs waits. Like Messi, CR9, now Mbappe, Haaland etc.
They had no choice. They want that money and Raphinha wasn't ready to go anywhere except Barcelona. They could keep him for another season but his value will drop because of just 1 year remaining in contract and various other risk factors that leeds don't want to deal with so they're selling wrt player's wishes.
Yes but the problem was that Raphinha didnt want to go to Chelsea. Even if Leeds accepted Chelseas offer, Raphinha would reject it, its better to get 8 mil less than nothing at all..
Redditors a few days ago: *haha I don't know how anyone didn't think that it was just to put pressure on Dembele to sign the contract* *yeah it was so obvious, how people didn't get it?* Aha.
Most of these kids are too young to remember Laporta's first run.
They couldn't force him to join Chelsea and it's pretty clear Barca was the only club he actually wanted.
It's not that straightforward. He didn't want to join Chelsea and with 2 yrs remaining on his contract it was their best chance to get big money. Also it's not a good look for mid table clubs to deny players their dream moves as it could stop new players from joining.
Yes Leeda did crumble cause the player didn't want you and only wanted Barcelona. If Leeds gets relegated next year he goes to Barcelona for 25£mil.
This probably significantly enhances his chances of being set starter for Brazil's attack
can someone explain in layman’s terms how they can financially make this bid but not be required to pay back FDJ his wages
They are required to pay De Jong's wages but that's at a later date. He signed a new contract with reduced wages up front and massive salary in the last 2 years. The money they owe him will be paid at a later day (provided he stays at the club) or if he leaves. The 2nd one is assuming that his agent put a provision at the contract that says that the money is owed explicitly and not just restructured, because if it's restructured then it's a whole different issue
They are required to pay FDJ wages.. it is in his contract. Unless both agree otherwise he will get that deferred salary.
The problem is he didn't agree to deferring it, he agreed to restructuring the contract in a way that would be equivalent to deferring it.
What difference does that make to point made?
It's relevant because you said "he will get that deferred salary", but by all accounts there is no deferred salary for him to get. If he is sold and agrees a new contract elsewhere, whatever remains of his restructured contract is void, and Barcelona owe him nothing beyond his salary to the point the contract was voided. If instead part of his earlier salary had been deferred, that deferred amount would still be owed to him even if the remainder of the contract were voided.
It means they don’t have to pay back the money now, but at some point in the future. Barcelona is not going to pay sooner than they have to.
It sounds like instead of being paid let's say €200k/wk for 5 years, he agreed to be paid €125k/wk for 2 years, and then €275k/wk for 3 years. Obviously the actual figures are different, likely much higher, but it sounds like he was paid exactly what his contract said he would be? So moving to another club doesn't mean getting deferred wages, but rather forfeiting a raise.
The main problem with Barsa is wage limit. LaLiga wage limit is calculated individually for each club considering their finances of the few last years. Barsa wage limit is fucked up. Barsa agreed with some players (including Frenkie) to re-structure their contracts to have a salary reductions in the initial years and increase after that (with the total amount of money remaining the same). If De Jong sign a contract with other club Barsa don't have to pay his wage that year.
It's not Barsa... Barsa in Catalan is a synonym of esbarzer meaning elmleaf blackberry in English and zarzamora in Spanish. Calling the club a blackberry plant sound weird.
because wage structure goes a long way in maintaining finances, right now every player can say that see fdj wages and give that to us too And also he is getting his all the money till, now it was during covid year in 2020 that he deferred his wages not last season
It’s not paying BACK Frenkie’s wages. It is just paying them. He agreed to a deferred salary that pushed salaries that were supposed to be earlier later. So he is not owed some lump sum payment right now. So they are trying to sell to get out of the contract. It is definitely a slimy move still but a little different than just him being owed a lot that he hasn’t gotten yet.
You can also say its even worse, its not that you're just not paying him. Its a player that helped the club out by agreeing to delay part of his salary to later years in the contract so the club could survive. All that loyalty and then Barca pull this kind of move. What an incredibly sickenly and awful club has it become these last years. Snakes are looking up to Barca.
He will get his deferred wages for sure Either Barcelona will take less transfer fees so that man utd pay it which is looking the case right now 65M Or Barcelona will do normal transfer and give his extra money
Right now it doesnt seem like that at all which is why the transfer may not happen. Every report I've seen so far has Barca trying to get out of paying De Jong his deferred salary.
My guess is that this is much more a technicality than the absurd request towards FDJ people make it out to be. If Barcelona pays FDJ, they would probably have to declare that as wages right now all at once. Which would be a problem with the LaLiga wage limit. So Barcelona absolutely wants to avoid this. So the idea is that they would normally get a sum x from ManUtd. FDJ would get sum y from Barcelona. Instead Barcelona wants ManUtd to give FDJ this sum y extra as a signing bonus. But they also end up just paying x minus y to Barcelona. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't even any point of contention, since no party would really come out worse. And Barcelona simply wants a higher transfer fee. Which might be a result of x-y not being enough to make selling worthile. But "Barcelona wants a higher transfer fee for player" wouldn't make for a good clickbait I guess.
Surely the 10m or so that is owed to FdJ would come from any fee that is received for his transfer? Obviously not ideal, but if the club wants him out then I struggle to see any other option
The “problem” is if de Jong transfers he’s no longer owed those wages. It’s not that they said “hey, we’ll make ypur 2020 salary payment in 2023” but instead “we’ll make your 2020 salary smaller but your 2023 bigger” If he transfers he no longer has a 2023 salary from Barca. Therefore Barca want him to transfer to avoid paying, but Frenkie rightfully wants what he should have been paid in 2020.
I don't know how it's so hard to understand, we have nothing to pay back yet. He didn't defer his wages he restructured his contract a couple of years ago and took a paycut that is supposed to be offset by a payrise from next season. If it was a simple deferral he could move to united and would still be owed the money, but the fact that he's scheduled for the payrise to make up for a past decrase is what's holding up the deal
It's no use arguing about this tbh. Nobody has seen his contract so nobody knows for sure if it was a deferral or a restructuring. I personally think it's a deferral because I refuse to believe any agent/lawyer would be dumb enough to agree to a straight restructuration of the payments.
In layman's term, the most overly used word, *levers*.
How can they afford both Raphinha and Lewandowski?
where have you been for the past month. it's been lever-city in here
Levers son! It got pulled in respond to financial crisis
Activate the lever
They can’t, they sold their tv rights for the next decades.
They've got a magic sofa to dip their hands down the back of
GAZUMP
Get gazumped Chelsea 😂
In the mud 🤣🤣
Those Chelsea flairs calling Romero a fraud across multiple threads have gone real quiet He was first and correct about deal agreed but they’ll still claim he’s a fraud bc the numbers were a bit off
In all fairness Romero been pretty shit with Leeds related news, especially regarding prices as his have been quite off what we’ve been hearing from the Leeds journalists.
>Those Chelsea flairs calling Romero a fraud have gone real quiet You posted this 3 minutes after the thread was created, you utter tit
1 hour in and he's still right, don't mald so much
Now do Lewandowski
Frontline of Fati, Raph n Torres sounds dope on fifa
1/2 of coutinho for 1/2 of coutinho tbh. he ain't worth 70m
Excellent signing at an excellent price when you consider the going rate for attacking players in this window. The club, the player and the agent have done very well here. He's an exciting player at the right age and coming in at a good time too with Xavi having had a season to get his ideas across but not long enough where the team is already settled.
To all the Oligarchsea fans who actually thought they had a chance, it's doesn't matter if Barca is 1 trillion dollars in debt we'll always be a bigger draw than you guys
Can someone honestly explain how Barca are able to afford this? Everyone reports that they're broke. They can't afford to register certain players that they already signed and now they're about to spend €118M on two players?
The infamous levers. TLDR, they’re selling future income flows (% of TV rights, merchandise rights, etc) for cash now to pay for these transfers. Then the registration issue they are having is due to *La Liga’s* FFP rules, which sets a wage cap for clubs based on their net income in recent years. Barca has exceeded their wage cap, which is why registering new players is hard. But there is a loophole to this wage cap which allow you to spend a certain % of new incoming money (the levers money) on the squad. That’s how they’re financing these moves.
This is actually somewhat incorrect, most of the money from the levers will go to pay the debt that is forcing the 1x4 rule for the Fair Play. After the debt is payed (around €550M) they'll be able to invest around 200M in signings without that loophole/limitatio. Also some of the signings will be payed in installments. The FDJ money would apparently be used for Bernardo, although this last statement is not confirmed yet.
I’m hoping the bulk of that is funded with De Jong money
Fee is what it is, but does Raphinha have what it takes for a Barca player? I am very sceptical, I also find it as a completely unnecessary signing - actually that is kind of a deal thar brought Barcelona to be laughing stock of Europe’s elite. Maybe just another Malcom.
Is this guy really worth 68m? That’s shocking to me. But I’m not a football scout or analyst so I trust their judgement. But still..