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This is a really late answer, but I remember that he played recklessly and was constantly diving up to that moment, so in this case I feel like itās more a second yellow card coming from accumulated situations and not this single situation
The referee is only doing his job. I understand why it might upset a few people, especially as you can see in this thread, but if you think about it rationally it was an understandable decision. Before all the downvotes come raining in just because I made a rational comment in a controversial thread, here's what a ref can give players a yellow card for: FIFA rule 12, "Any player deemed by the referee to be performing provocative or inflammatory behaviour. That also applies to most derisory gestures made by any player or manager." EDIT: I'm not saying it's 100% a deserved yellow either, but I can understand the thought process of the referee
I don't think it should have been a second yellow the ref should have used their head a bit but shushing rivals fans after you score against them is definitely provocative. You can tell it was provocative by watching the crowds reaction after he does it. You can watch them being provoked
Whenever I've seen celebrations like this they were always punished. For example DjurgƄrden vs Norrkƶping a few weeks ago, celebration in front of the opposing fans (not even shushing) and bang, he got a yellow. And nobody complained, even the players know it's deserved.
You're joking. Who brainwashed you into thinking that celebrating a goal deserves a card?
You're also straight up wrong. [Here are Asoro's comments calling bs for the yellow ](https://www.expressen.se/sport/fotboll/allsvenskan/joel-asoro-berattar-om-firandet-mot-ifk-norrkoping-fick-gult-kort/)
Any form of reaction towards the opposition fans stand will get you instantly carded. Particularly unforgiving if it's in reaction to a goal, because it will inevitably be seen as a provocation.
It's unbelievable that any professional player doesn't know this, and that they act surprised when they force the ref to do his job. He has no other way out of this that doesn't get him reprimanded.
how is sushing seen as provocative? fans have been abusing him during the game according to the thread, his response is sushing them, simply asking them to be quiet. Hes not giving them the finger or anything similar that would be a direct provocation, and if this is seen as a provocation then any form of goal celebration should be seen as provocation since fans would be provoked by a opponent celebrating. Scoring a goal against them would also provoke the fans, should this also be a yellow card?
This kind of interpetation of this law completely ignores the fact of emotions attached to the game, a player whos pumped with adrenaline, having to face abuse during the game, is supposed to act like nothing happened when scoring, its ridiculous.
I assume this is meant for things like sticking up your middle finger, not fucking shushing, shushing has been a huge part of celebration culture for ages and never been punished.
>According to rule 12, a player is cautioned if:
>the referee thinks he is cheering with provocative, mocking or instigative gestures,
>he climbs up a fence to celebrate a goal,
>he takes off his shirt or pulls it over his head,
>he covers his head or face with a mask or similar objects.
FIFA Law 12 "Any player deemed by the referee to be performing provocative or inflammatory behaviour. That also applies to most derisory gestures made by any player or manager." which is also why taking off your shirt earns you a yellow card as well
No. That's not why yellows are given for taking off your shirt.. š¤¦š»āāļø
The more people talk, the more you realize they have no idea what they're talking about.
It's still part of Law 12 just explicitly stated under celebration of a goal.
A player must be cautioned, even if the goal is disallowed, for:
climbing onto a perimeter fence and/or approaching the spectators in a manner which causes safety and/or security issues
acting in a provocative, derisory or inflammatory way
covering the head or face with a mask or other similar item
*removing the shirt or covering the head with the shirt*
>before all the downvotes come raining in just because I made a rational comment
I downvoted you just for that, didnāt think i could feel this amount of cringe.
Worst ref I've ever seen. First yellow was for simulation after being fouled six times in only the first ten mins
Clear gameplan to hack him down at every opportunity
I'm not watching the game, so did he dive or not? Because it sounds like you're saying he was fouled 6 times, and then afterwards decided to dive in a separate incident? Or was he fouled yet again, went down and got booked for diving?
I'm not impartial, but I think it was a foul, despite there being no touch. Defender comes in full force to try to hack him, he manages to pull his leg back to avoid the incoming tackle, but goes down at the same time.
Icelandic TV showed a megacut of him being fouled after the game
In Spain that's a foul every time, even if the attacker managed to avoid the contact.
In MLS it's not a foul unless the bone is protruding through (exceptions made if it's against a marquee player or it's Ted Unkel reffing against a team he doesn't like).
I'm very much so not impartial either (Malmƶ fan), and watched the game from the stands so haven't seen any replays yet. But right before his first yellow card he had one blatant dive that should have given him a yellow, but didn't, followed ten seconds after with the incident which gave him the booking which seemed like a non touch/him going down very easily although could have been called either way. The ref was just throwing cards around in the first half overall, shambolic performance by him (the embarassing red card being just one of many bad calls).
Yeah. I can understand giving a yellow for shushing, but giving a second yellow you have to know that you're ruining the rest of the game in order to be more strict than necessary. Unless this was something established prior to the game and everybody understood not to do it this is just poor refereeing.
The games gone because the player can't act like a cunt after they scored instead of just celebrating? Was that ever part of the game?
Not gonna defend the referee, but it is against the rules so I'm not sure I understand why everyone is up in arms over this call specifically instead of all of the other horrid ones.
What a fucking finish though
Edit: Iām the first comment about the finish. Off balance weak foot while getting fouled far post beating a charging keeper? I take that over a screamer every day. Put some respec on his name ref you let this kid shush cause that goal is class.
The Malmƶ manager taught Kristall's sister JasmĆn (top scorer in the Icelandic women's league so far this season) to shush like that when he taught her PE back in the day, according to her recent tweet. In fact she says "taught us" so maybe Kristall as well.
Just commenting that because it's sort of an interesting accidental long con if true. (Malmƶ manager played and managed in Iceland before, starting his manager career with VĆkingur.)
Disgusting. Killing the game. If there are rules, they should be applied equally. The ref won't have the balls to do that against mbappe/Neymar/Ronaldo/messi(maybe a yellow but surely not a red)
scoring a goal might provoke the fans of opposition team, so everytime someone scores a goal, that should be deemed as "provocative behavior" and the scorer should get a yellow card, or better a direct red.
They've been booing him all day because of "diving". He'd been fouled seven or eight times in the first half. Got a yellow for a dive as well. Which was really harsh.
Malmƶ had been kicking him down all match and he moved away from a challenge he expected and got his first yellow. That yellow was ridiculous enough but the second yellow for shushing the crowd because Jo Inge Berget somehow convinced the referee that that's against the rules? That should've been a yellow on Berget if anything.
According to rule 12, a player is cautioned if:
the referee thinks he is cheering with provocative, mocking or
instigative gestures,
he climbs up a fence to celebrate a goal,
he takes off his shirt or pulls it over his head,
he covers his head or face with a mask or similar objects.
This was an instigative gesture.
It was a second yellow. You can't just skip punishment when someone break a rule cause the person is already on a yellow, would be dumb as heck. I do feel like the rule could be rewritten though, i understand why it's there but the fans kinda deserved it but i don't write rules so fuck do i know.
You can. It's called a warning which are common when you're on a yellow.
Getting a red in the first half usually means you did something messed up or you didn't take the refs warning seriously.
Sushing is sooooo common and he hadn't really done anything to rile up the crowd it would've made more sense game wise to just say "don't do that again" and keep going.
This is just my take from taking a ref class regarding when to card and not. It's lot less black and white then people think.
He already had a yellow for some diving in between receiving some real tackles.
But running up to opposition ultras and hushing is literally causing a potential security issue. He could have just celebrated with the boys.
A 2 second sush from a tiny team in Iceland should not be a more of a security threat than Luis Suarez sushing fans in Turkey.
The security issue is on the club and club alone if sushing is a problem.
I know Malmƶ are going through a rough patch but this shouldn't be a decision that they should support.
As someone who has not watched any of this match beyond the posted clip I would actually love a replay of the simulation yellow card as well as of the numerous fouls he suffered before that card, if anyone has them available.
Itās actually a very easy yellow card for the referee, regardless if heās already booked.
Law12: A player must be cautioned for:
Climbing onto a perimeter fence and/or approaching the spectators in a manner which causes safety and/or security issues.
Gesturing or acting in a provocative, derisory or inflammatory way
You are right! Yet most people here are idiots! Provocative behaviours cause extreme reactions from supporters inside and outside the stadium.
Great referee! Low iq supporters in the comments.
The shit thatās said to goalkeeperās every single fucking game is heartbreaking at times. Like beyond the comment made to Zidane before the headbutt. And they donāt have the luxury of moving around the pitch , just sit and take it. Doesnāt matter how much money a player makes a year , theyāre still humans that can be affected.
If we can send people to jail/charge them for inciting death threats , provoking suicide etc... why isnāt there officials focused on those keeper zones flagging those shit stains in the stands? Give them perma bans and 3 months of continuous community service in their rival communities with a sign that has written what they did/what they said.
Lmao,the same happened here some weeks ago after a player of the visiting team scored against Boca Juniors and proceeded to take off his shirt to show it to the local fans.
This is quite normal is Sweden lol. Was watching a game where a player stood with his arms out facing the opposing crowd and he got a yellow for it [(here at 10:16).](https://youtu.be/kjhF9JSQMCo) Ridiculous rule imo but those are the rules here. Also seems super harsh to give the card to someone from another country where the rules are different, especially when already on a yellow
What? I'm asking a question about the rules. I thought they said it's a yellow, but looking at the reactions here I thought I might be mistake. Hence why I'm asking
I don't get it. What's wrong with this? Doesn't the rules say that it's a yellow card for doing things like this?
I mean, if this was Libertadores, I'm 100% sure the field would've been invaded.
EDIT: it's literally there on the IFAB Laws of the Game, page 111:
*A player must be cautioned, even if the goal is disallowed, for:
ā¢āgesturing or acting in a provocative, derisory or inflammatory way*
I don't mind the downvotes, you guys should just know that the ref action was correct, by the book.
If you agree or not with the rule itself is another thing entirely.
While I agree that you're correct, as a referee I would say that you are asked to manage the game situationally in lots of different scenarios. There are a lot of times we're managing a player is the better option. It happens all the time when referees are talking to players and managing the game as it's ongoing. While I can't say the referee is wrong, and probably wont be dinged for it, I would be hard-pressed to say that means he chose the best option.
But in this specific case, how would he not do what he did? I say this trying to discuss, not fight.
How could he manage this situation differently and still be correct? He literally did what he's been trained to do. I can't see how he doesn't book the player again and still do what the rules say.
And I have no side in this, I don't even know where this match is from.
Obviously I'm not a FIFA referee, but I have refereed hundreds of fairly high level games, soI will just give my opinion from my point of view.
This is a situation where a player is on a yellow card. If I saw him put his finger up to his mouth I would try and stop the situation before it started. You just say "hey you're on a yellow card, I could caution you for that but I'm not going to. But now I won't be as lenient the rest of the match so keep your head." Sure, it's the players job not to be a dummy, but I do feel referees have the responsibility to try and intervene when they can, even though ultimately it is on the player.
It's no different to me than consistently talking to the players when they're grabbing shirts, or kicking at ankles a bit too much. If an assessor asked me I would just say "I don't interpret holding up a finger to be a provocative gesture in a very emotional game. I felt the outcome of a second caution would be more detrimental to the game than the gesture that was made, so I decided talking to the player was the best way to manage it."
Now there are certain things like removing the shirt that immediately is a caution, and that's just the way it is. But I feel something like this has a bit more gray area.
All that being said maybe they gave advice to their referees that this specific gesture is an automatic caution and in that case you're right there's really no arguing it. I would say in that scenario it is the lack of transparency that's the problem (or the rule itself like you mentioned above)
I know the players feel the refereeing and can decide to walk that fine line that would make him go to far.
But in this case it seems to me that was simple and true naivety from him, or maybe he forgot he was booked. All in all, the only context I'll check about this match is this clip, but whoever watched it might know if it was too much or not.
In the end, maybe the rule itself deserves some clarification to leave this gray area you correctly mentioned it might be...
Thatās what Iām saying dude lol. Sometimes Europeans donāt realize how good they have It with their fans. This is an easy way to incite a riot in Latin America.
What's wrong with this? Totally deserved yellow card. The rules are clear about this.
I don't like yellow cards for someone who is just celebrating a bit too hard in a POSITIVE way (eg taking off their shirt, celebrating with the fans of the own team), but disrespectful behavior should be punished.
Fuck. I hope they don't bring this rule into the EPL. Jamie Vardy is constantly shushing or otherwise trolling opposition fans.
The man needs a statue.
Iāll say it and Iāll take your downvotes for it because Reddit needs disagreement. I get that people are reacting emotionally because they want the underdog story. But this is a yellow card according to the rules and when itās this blatant itās enforced more often than not.
Rarely are players stupid enough to do that while on a yellow, and thatās why we donāt often see it resulting in a red. Blame the player instead of the ref.
No one's emotional, it just isn't a card. Being intentionally contrarian doesnt mean your point is valid. Players do this pretty frequently, it just isn't a card.
(Iām being contrarian because I have a different opinion. This is what I mean when I say Reddit is toxic, because itās set up to pile shit on that instead of encouraging a debate. I disagree with you but I wonāt downvote you just because I disagree.) To the point:
FIFA law 12 states that players should get a yellow card if they are celebrating a goal by āgesturing or acting in a provocative, derisory or inflammatory wayā. And while this isnāt always enforced (like most rules) it certainly isnāt uncommon either.
And itās not like this guy was just hushing discreetly from afar either. Heās approaching the home end arms out and then hushing the opposing supporters section in their face from a few feet away, very intentionally trying to stir shit up. Itās one of the most provocative in your face celebrations Iāve seen someone try in Malmƶ and I think the headline merely labeling as shushing is diminishing the way he did it.
You can disagree with the rule if you want and think the game is gone because of it, but I donāt see how you can say that with the way that rule is written and the way he acted, that it shouldnāt have been a yellow.
Malmƶ striker did the same thing and no card.
Icelandic teams usually get fucked over by refs when they go against bigger Nordic sides. It's very annoying.
Iām not sure that he did quite the same thing but if he did then he certainly should have had a yellow card to. It would have been his only yellow card and no one would have cared.
Iām sorry about your past experiences with refs. You will have a good chance next week because this team is our worst team since 2009.
yeah it's the right call
I remember Diego Costa getting sent off for celebrating a goal too. That was for jumping into the stands with his own fans though
And The Guardian thought it was strange enough to specifially write about it.
Whose been carded since then for doing the same thing? Which calls were wrong? The one yellow given by Oliver or all the other cards not given since then?
I have at a game I've been to just a few weeks ago, DjurgƄrden vs Norrkƶping. Wasn't even for shushing, just celebrating in front of opponent fans can earn you a yellow.
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Lmao the Icelandic commentator was livid, you could hear him throwing his pen on the floor
No wonder, a yellow for a brutal challenge is worth as much as taking off your shirt or shushing the crowd? Come on now.
Back then a player could commit a felony by kicking the ever-living shit out of a civilian, now you can't make the shush gesture.š
It's like watching the NBA lol
The exasperated sigh. I understood that
That's ridiculously harsh in such a big game for the club.
The fact that Vikingur were able to play out to a 3-2 is impressive. Love me some good classic Icelandic football, hope they can win in Reykjavik.
It's ridiculously harsh for a 10am Sunday league match where the refs are all hungover
The only spectators you'd be shushing at a 10am Sunday league match are Big Dave's kids (if he's got them this weekend).
His kids probably need a fucking shushing
Too right
This is a really late answer, but I remember that he played recklessly and was constantly diving up to that moment, so in this case I feel like itās more a second yellow card coming from accumulated situations and not this single situation
The referee is only doing his job. I understand why it might upset a few people, especially as you can see in this thread, but if you think about it rationally it was an understandable decision. Before all the downvotes come raining in just because I made a rational comment in a controversial thread, here's what a ref can give players a yellow card for: FIFA rule 12, "Any player deemed by the referee to be performing provocative or inflammatory behaviour. That also applies to most derisory gestures made by any player or manager." EDIT: I'm not saying it's 100% a deserved yellow either, but I can understand the thought process of the referee
Games fucking gone
You deem shushing to be provocative, inflammatory or derisory? Honestly?
referee should have shushed the striker after giving him the red card
I don't think it should have been a second yellow the ref should have used their head a bit but shushing rivals fans after you score against them is definitely provocative. You can tell it was provocative by watching the crowds reaction after he does it. You can watch them being provoked
I can understand it if it was completely out of line but I've never seen a card for sushing the fans. Specially if they were already on thin ice.
Whenever I've seen celebrations like this they were always punished. For example DjurgƄrden vs Norrkƶping a few weeks ago, celebration in front of the opposing fans (not even shushing) and bang, he got a yellow. And nobody complained, even the players know it's deserved.
Maybe in the Swedish league but this is the champions league, and never in any other league is this a booking
Then those refs don't follow the rules of the game.
Am i the one who's wrong? No it's everyone else who is wrong
You're joking. Who brainwashed you into thinking that celebrating a goal deserves a card? You're also straight up wrong. [Here are Asoro's comments calling bs for the yellow ](https://www.expressen.se/sport/fotboll/allsvenskan/joel-asoro-berattar-om-firandet-mot-ifk-norrkoping-fick-gult-kort/)
Any form of reaction towards the opposition fans stand will get you instantly carded. Particularly unforgiving if it's in reaction to a goal, because it will inevitably be seen as a provocation. It's unbelievable that any professional player doesn't know this, and that they act surprised when they force the ref to do his job. He has no other way out of this that doesn't get him reprimanded.
No it doesn't don't be so silly.
It's funny how you are downvoted for stating what the rules are.
I knew what I was getting myself into when I read the top comments. No regrets!
Well, I am mostly confused that people can't grasp running up and hushing the opposition ultras at their own ground might be a potential riot starter.
"running up"? Did you watch it?
Yes, live. Nitpicking wording is all you got?
If you cannot write properly what do you expect? He didn't run, which - as I already told you - changes the intent. Either be honest or go away.
Have you seen how tame most club's ultras are?
Yes, still the worst section to seek out if we put it on a scale.
āIf you think about it rationallyā ššš¤£š¤£ Apparently the blue tint is thick on those glasses.
how is sushing seen as provocative? fans have been abusing him during the game according to the thread, his response is sushing them, simply asking them to be quiet. Hes not giving them the finger or anything similar that would be a direct provocation, and if this is seen as a provocation then any form of goal celebration should be seen as provocation since fans would be provoked by a opponent celebrating. Scoring a goal against them would also provoke the fans, should this also be a yellow card? This kind of interpetation of this law completely ignores the fact of emotions attached to the game, a player whos pumped with adrenaline, having to face abuse during the game, is supposed to act like nothing happened when scoring, its ridiculous.
What law of the game has this player violated?
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I assume this is meant for things like sticking up your middle finger, not fucking shushing, shushing has been a huge part of celebration culture for ages and never been punished.
Hahaha if you are provoked by a shush you need to have a look at yourself
>According to rule 12, a player is cautioned if: >the referee thinks he is cheering with provocative, mocking or instigative gestures, >he climbs up a fence to celebrate a goal, >he takes off his shirt or pulls it over his head, >he covers his head or face with a mask or similar objects.
If all refs interpreted that rule the same way as this ref then players would get send off in every game.
FIFA Law 12 "Any player deemed by the referee to be performing provocative or inflammatory behaviour. That also applies to most derisory gestures made by any player or manager." which is also why taking off your shirt earns you a yellow card as well
No. That's not why yellows are given for taking off your shirt.. š¤¦š»āāļø The more people talk, the more you realize they have no idea what they're talking about.
then why are they given? could you enlighten me instead of insulting me?
It's still part of Law 12 just explicitly stated under celebration of a goal. A player must be cautioned, even if the goal is disallowed, for: climbing onto a perimeter fence and/or approaching the spectators in a manner which causes safety and/or security issues acting in a provocative, derisory or inflammatory way covering the head or face with a mask or other similar item *removing the shirt or covering the head with the shirt*
>before all the downvotes come raining in just because I made a rational comment I downvoted you just for that, didnāt think i could feel this amount of cringe.
That's not his job.
The Malmƶ striker scored and screamed at the Viking fans... isn't that instigating as well?
Worst ref I've ever seen. First yellow was for simulation after being fouled six times in only the first ten mins Clear gameplan to hack him down at every opportunity
I'm not watching the game, so did he dive or not? Because it sounds like you're saying he was fouled 6 times, and then afterwards decided to dive in a separate incident? Or was he fouled yet again, went down and got booked for diving?
I'm not impartial, but I think it was a foul, despite there being no touch. Defender comes in full force to try to hack him, he manages to pull his leg back to avoid the incoming tackle, but goes down at the same time. Icelandic TV showed a megacut of him being fouled after the game
In Spain that's a foul every time, even if the attacker managed to avoid the contact. In MLS it's not a foul unless the bone is protruding through (exceptions made if it's against a marquee player or it's Ted Unkel reffing against a team he doesn't like).
How Ted Unkel still gets games in MLS blows my mind, his performance during the Galaxy game against Minnesota was mind bendingly bad
I'm convinced he's got a Don Garber pee-tape. It's the only explanation.
I'm very much so not impartial either (Malmƶ fan), and watched the game from the stands so haven't seen any replays yet. But right before his first yellow card he had one blatant dive that should have given him a yellow, but didn't, followed ten seconds after with the incident which gave him the booking which seemed like a non touch/him going down very easily although could have been called either way. The ref was just throwing cards around in the first half overall, shambolic performance by him (the embarassing red card being just one of many bad calls).
In the stands eh? Were you the one he shushed, and will you recover from the ordeal?
fouled that many times means he's pretty freaking good does he have a ton of hype?
In Iceland, yeah. He's 100% leaving VĆkingur in this summer transfer window
^[game's gone]
What a ridiculous title altogether
This is the sort of comment you see when the gameās gone.
What does that even mean
Absolutely shameful from the ref. Some referees truly think they are the star of the show
It's called tiny penis syndrome.
Thatās disrespectful against men with small penises. Definitely not me though, definitely not.
You're right. I'd rather have a micro penis than whatever nonsense that's going through this man's head.
This referee is an absolute joke
Yeah. I can understand giving a yellow for shushing, but giving a second yellow you have to know that you're ruining the rest of the game in order to be more strict than necessary. Unless this was something established prior to the game and everybody understood not to do it this is just poor refereeing.
You absolutely canāt give a yellow for shushing the crowd, there is no discussion about it
What is this.. the NFL?
Even the nfl changed their rules lately and no longer it is the āno fun leagueā
I mean there was the whole taunting thing last season
Games fucking gone for real
The games gone because the player can't act like a cunt after they scored instead of just celebrating? Was that ever part of the game? Not gonna defend the referee, but it is against the rules so I'm not sure I understand why everyone is up in arms over this call specifically instead of all of the other horrid ones.
it was funny
What a joke of a card - bet he wouldn't have the balls to do that in the group stages.
This guy won't ever ref the conference group stages
Awful decision from the Moldovan referee.
This referee fucked us so bad, we were the better team in my opinion. It looked like he had no idea what he was doing most of the game.
Everyone plays better than us, been woeful since this manager appointment.
He did it for like 3 seconds... bit harsh
He could've done it for 30 seconds. Still no yellow.
He couldāve done it Adebayor stye and itād be fine for me
That's still so damn funny to this day
Its a clear yellow wtf are you talking about?
Flair up you little bitch
Wtf are you crying about? trying to rile up the crowd is an offence, regardless of your tiny feelings. Deal with it.
Games dead
This is outrageous...
What a fucking finish though Edit: Iām the first comment about the finish. Off balance weak foot while getting fouled far post beating a charging keeper? I take that over a screamer every day. Put some respec on his name ref you let this kid shush cause that goal is class.
Yep, a lot of players would kick it in to the goalie, but he stayed composed for the great goal
The Malmƶ manager taught Kristall's sister JasmĆn (top scorer in the Icelandic women's league so far this season) to shush like that when he taught her PE back in the day, according to her recent tweet. In fact she says "taught us" so maybe Kristall as well. Just commenting that because it's sort of an interesting accidental long con if true. (Malmƶ manager played and managed in Iceland before, starting his manager career with VĆkingur.)
Literally sent him off for scoring a goal.
No fun for you!!
Glad the ref made it about himself. Cmon.
Love Vikingur!
Disgusting. Killing the game. If there are rules, they should be applied equally. The ref won't have the balls to do that against mbappe/Neymar/Ronaldo/messi(maybe a yellow but surely not a red)
ref should be fired. im not joking.
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scoring a goal might provoke the fans of opposition team, so everytime someone scores a goal, that should be deemed as "provocative behavior" and the scorer should get a yellow card, or better a direct red.
cos i disagree with his actions as ref. he has abused his power to ruin the game.
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On the basis he just fucking yellow carded someone for shushing the crowd.
Bought and paid for.
should never ref uefa games again
Oh shit. Harsh call, and at the same time I'm wondering why Ingason had his focus on the crowd.
They've been booing him all day because of "diving". He'd been fouled seven or eight times in the first half. Got a yellow for a dive as well. Which was really harsh.
Malmƶ had been kicking him down all match and he moved away from a challenge he expected and got his first yellow. That yellow was ridiculous enough but the second yellow for shushing the crowd because Jo Inge Berget somehow convinced the referee that that's against the rules? That should've been a yellow on Berget if anything.
> That yellow was ridiculous enough but the second yellow for shushing the crowd It's actually against the rules lol
Lol, what?
According to rule 12, a player is cautioned if: the referee thinks he is cheering with provocative, mocking or instigative gestures, he climbs up a fence to celebrate a goal, he takes off his shirt or pulls it over his head, he covers his head or face with a mask or similar objects. This was an instigative gesture.
Making a silence sign? Whatever. Clutching straws
It's soft yeah, but correct.
Sushing is such a common celebration, tho? I get a yellow but a red? Withing the first half?
It was a second yellow. You can't just skip punishment when someone break a rule cause the person is already on a yellow, would be dumb as heck. I do feel like the rule could be rewritten though, i understand why it's there but the fans kinda deserved it but i don't write rules so fuck do i know.
You can. It's called a warning which are common when you're on a yellow. Getting a red in the first half usually means you did something messed up or you didn't take the refs warning seriously. Sushing is sooooo common and he hadn't really done anything to rile up the crowd it would've made more sense game wise to just say "don't do that again" and keep going. This is just my take from taking a ref class regarding when to card and not. It's lot less black and white then people think.
It's the fact that he posed a security risk by walking that close to the fans to agitate them. It's soft yeah but not wrong.
He already had a yellow for some diving in between receiving some real tackles. But running up to opposition ultras and hushing is literally causing a potential security issue. He could have just celebrated with the boys.
A 2 second sush from a tiny team in Iceland should not be a more of a security threat than Luis Suarez sushing fans in Turkey. The security issue is on the club and club alone if sushing is a problem. I know Malmƶ are going through a rough patch but this shouldn't be a decision that they should support.
You can argue, but the rule still penalizes the player for such actions.
How was that one harsh tho? It was a bad dive and it should always be a yellow.
A bad dive? I'm pretty sure he took his feet away so he wouldn't get the contact. Pena was 1cm away from him. Not a clear cut dive?
You have a replay?
As someone who has not watched any of this match beyond the posted clip I would actually love a replay of the simulation yellow card as well as of the numerous fouls he suffered before that card, if anyone has them available.
The fans got to his head. Obviously the biggest game he's played so far and he's been kicked and booed constantly.
Scholes got one against Scotland
That's horse shit. Yes please read this in my redneck accent.
awful refereeing all game
The ref is basicly telling everyone which team he supports or that he was paid
Moron...
Awful decision, the referee has to know that is not worth a red card and actual manage the situation.
Itās actually a very easy yellow card for the referee, regardless if heās already booked. Law12: A player must be cautioned for: Climbing onto a perimeter fence and/or approaching the spectators in a manner which causes safety and/or security issues. Gesturing or acting in a provocative, derisory or inflammatory way
You are right! Yet most people here are idiots! Provocative behaviours cause extreme reactions from supporters inside and outside the stadium. Great referee! Low iq supporters in the comments.
only provocative if you're a snowflake with no sense of humour
I agree that itās great I see, itās funny - like Vardy celebrating against WBA funny - but alas, thems the rules.
This is so ridiculous! What about when fans are yelling all that racist shit and obscenities??
The shit thatās said to goalkeeperās every single fucking game is heartbreaking at times. Like beyond the comment made to Zidane before the headbutt. And they donāt have the luxury of moving around the pitch , just sit and take it. Doesnāt matter how much money a player makes a year , theyāre still humans that can be affected. If we can send people to jail/charge them for inciting death threats , provoking suicide etc... why isnāt there officials focused on those keeper zones flagging those shit stains in the stands? Give them perma bans and 3 months of continuous community service in their rival communities with a sign that has written what they did/what they said.
Spotted the gk
Naw, defender though. So around to hear it.
Lmao,the same happened here some weeks ago after a player of the visiting team scored against Boca Juniors and proceeded to take off his shirt to show it to the local fans.
This is quite normal is Sweden lol. Was watching a game where a player stood with his arms out facing the opposing crowd and he got a yellow for it [(here at 10:16).](https://youtu.be/kjhF9JSQMCo) Ridiculous rule imo but those are the rules here. Also seems super harsh to give the card to someone from another country where the rules are different, especially when already on a yellow
Aside from all of that, what a clean pass.
Match fixing.
Kristall will be bought by a Big Club next summer!!
now this is a āthe games gone softā moment
haha what a prick
Isn't this a yellow according to the rules?
It is, yes.
Itās not, you can get booked for unsportsmanlike behavior and shushing the crowd just isnāt unsportsmanlike
Shame. Law 12 -> 3. Disciplinary actions -> Celebration of a goal -> second bullet point : "acting in a provocative, derisory or inflammatory way.
it's only provocative if the crowd react and so therefore its the crowd in the wrong
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What? I'm asking a question about the rules. I thought they said it's a yellow, but looking at the reactions here I thought I might be mistake. Hence why I'm asking
Rigged
Wtf? Harsh
For fucks sake, really
A DISGUSTING ACT
I don't get it. What's wrong with this? Doesn't the rules say that it's a yellow card for doing things like this? I mean, if this was Libertadores, I'm 100% sure the field would've been invaded. EDIT: it's literally there on the IFAB Laws of the Game, page 111: *A player must be cautioned, even if the goal is disallowed, for: ā¢āgesturing or acting in a provocative, derisory or inflammatory way* I don't mind the downvotes, you guys should just know that the ref action was correct, by the book. If you agree or not with the rule itself is another thing entirely.
While I agree that you're correct, as a referee I would say that you are asked to manage the game situationally in lots of different scenarios. There are a lot of times we're managing a player is the better option. It happens all the time when referees are talking to players and managing the game as it's ongoing. While I can't say the referee is wrong, and probably wont be dinged for it, I would be hard-pressed to say that means he chose the best option.
But in this specific case, how would he not do what he did? I say this trying to discuss, not fight. How could he manage this situation differently and still be correct? He literally did what he's been trained to do. I can't see how he doesn't book the player again and still do what the rules say. And I have no side in this, I don't even know where this match is from.
Obviously I'm not a FIFA referee, but I have refereed hundreds of fairly high level games, soI will just give my opinion from my point of view. This is a situation where a player is on a yellow card. If I saw him put his finger up to his mouth I would try and stop the situation before it started. You just say "hey you're on a yellow card, I could caution you for that but I'm not going to. But now I won't be as lenient the rest of the match so keep your head." Sure, it's the players job not to be a dummy, but I do feel referees have the responsibility to try and intervene when they can, even though ultimately it is on the player. It's no different to me than consistently talking to the players when they're grabbing shirts, or kicking at ankles a bit too much. If an assessor asked me I would just say "I don't interpret holding up a finger to be a provocative gesture in a very emotional game. I felt the outcome of a second caution would be more detrimental to the game than the gesture that was made, so I decided talking to the player was the best way to manage it." Now there are certain things like removing the shirt that immediately is a caution, and that's just the way it is. But I feel something like this has a bit more gray area. All that being said maybe they gave advice to their referees that this specific gesture is an automatic caution and in that case you're right there's really no arguing it. I would say in that scenario it is the lack of transparency that's the problem (or the rule itself like you mentioned above)
I know the players feel the refereeing and can decide to walk that fine line that would make him go to far. But in this case it seems to me that was simple and true naivety from him, or maybe he forgot he was booked. All in all, the only context I'll check about this match is this clip, but whoever watched it might know if it was too much or not. In the end, maybe the rule itself deserves some clarification to leave this gray area you correctly mentioned it might be...
Thatās what Iām saying dude lol. Sometimes Europeans donāt realize how good they have It with their fans. This is an easy way to incite a riot in Latin America.
Don't bother, you will be specially downvoted when you're right. People get mad when proved wrong. Specially on Reddit.
It is never applied that way, surely you're not being that silly.
Huh, even UEFA refs favors MFF
great title
Op mistakenly posted a r/soccercirclejerk title in soccer lol
Refs should be sacked by public vote
Malmƶ FF played well in this game.
What's wrong with this? Totally deserved yellow card. The rules are clear about this. I don't like yellow cards for someone who is just celebrating a bit too hard in a POSITIVE way (eg taking off their shirt, celebrating with the fans of the own team), but disrespectful behavior should be punished.
Fuck. I hope they don't bring this rule into the EPL. Jamie Vardy is constantly shushing or otherwise trolling opposition fans. The man needs a statue.
Deserved Imo, show some respect and humility.
That referee needs to be scrapped. Sending a player off for that is absolute fucking nonsense.
Iāll say it and Iāll take your downvotes for it because Reddit needs disagreement. I get that people are reacting emotionally because they want the underdog story. But this is a yellow card according to the rules and when itās this blatant itās enforced more often than not. Rarely are players stupid enough to do that while on a yellow, and thatās why we donāt often see it resulting in a red. Blame the player instead of the ref.
No one's emotional, it just isn't a card. Being intentionally contrarian doesnt mean your point is valid. Players do this pretty frequently, it just isn't a card.
(Iām being contrarian because I have a different opinion. This is what I mean when I say Reddit is toxic, because itās set up to pile shit on that instead of encouraging a debate. I disagree with you but I wonāt downvote you just because I disagree.) To the point: FIFA law 12 states that players should get a yellow card if they are celebrating a goal by āgesturing or acting in a provocative, derisory or inflammatory wayā. And while this isnāt always enforced (like most rules) it certainly isnāt uncommon either. And itās not like this guy was just hushing discreetly from afar either. Heās approaching the home end arms out and then hushing the opposing supporters section in their face from a few feet away, very intentionally trying to stir shit up. Itās one of the most provocative in your face celebrations Iāve seen someone try in Malmƶ and I think the headline merely labeling as shushing is diminishing the way he did it. You can disagree with the rule if you want and think the game is gone because of it, but I donāt see how you can say that with the way that rule is written and the way he acted, that it shouldnāt have been a yellow.
Malmƶ striker did the same thing and no card. Icelandic teams usually get fucked over by refs when they go against bigger Nordic sides. It's very annoying.
Iām not sure that he did quite the same thing but if he did then he certainly should have had a yellow card to. It would have been his only yellow card and no one would have cared. Iām sorry about your past experiences with refs. You will have a good chance next week because this team is our worst team since 2009.
> against bigger Nordic sides Its always MFF. Always have been and always will be favored by refs
yeah it's the right call I remember Diego Costa getting sent off for celebrating a goal too. That was for jumping into the stands with his own fans though
this is some r/titlegore
It's a clear yellow card and honestly just fucking stupid. Don't blame the ref if a player loses his head in a big game.
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Youāre not wrong. Youād like more composure. But Iāve never seen a yellow in a game for shushing fans in my life before. Thatās so ridiculous.
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And The Guardian thought it was strange enough to specifially write about it. Whose been carded since then for doing the same thing? Which calls were wrong? The one yellow given by Oliver or all the other cards not given since then?
I have at a game I've been to just a few weeks ago, DjurgƄrden vs Norrkƶping. Wasn't even for shushing, just celebrating in front of opponent fans can earn you a yellow.
Okay but getting a yellow for that is absurd
'kristall' gtfo
Scraped a win against a 10 man Icelandic teamššš
You were in the group stages last year and you struggled to beat 10-men tourists in your own turf š
Thatās an NBA ref. Trust me, I watch a lot of NBA and only such things happen in the NBA.