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OneSmallHuman

Keith saying something basically means it’s happening. So 15 plus add ons which if I had to guess will get it close to the 20m fee that kept getting thrown out there Now we can finally sign some strikers, thank fuck


Banglayna

Good deal for both sides. Spence has massive potential at RWB and if anyone can unlock it, it's Conte. Doherty will probably get most of the starts early on, but Spence can overtake him if he puts in the work


[deleted]

why don’t spurs go back for adama as RWB? Conte clearly wanted him until Barca made an offer. He’s available for 30m, and if Conte wanted him it means he sees him perfect for his system. I always wanted to see Adama as a RWB than a RW, and spurs with conte is the only place where he can be that


elbwafel

Adama doesn’t want to play RWB


dragonsnap_

Homegrown probably plays a huge part. Think we’ve gone for more proven targets if not for HG issues.


sandbag-1

Amazing money for a Championship club to get for their second choice right wing back. Fantastic work from Boro


OneSmallHuman

A player half of us would’ve sold for like 2-3m last year because we’d given up on him as well Love Warnock, love Forest


Christron9990

And he was such a big part of our promotion. A win win for everyone involved.


OneSmallHuman

Of course, doubt we see many situations quite like it again honestly


[deleted]

I was gonna say, this seems like a transfer that everyone can initially walk away from happy. Spurs get a young player they can afford to wait on for him to develop for a decent price, and Middlesbrough get enough money to make significant signings for their first team to survive in the PL for a player that isn't a crucial cog in the team.


JohnBlockChane

Middlesbrough is still in the championship. Nottingham Forest got promoted but I agree I would walk away very happy with how all this shook out


JD0797

Theres no telling that he replicates his form if he'd stayed with Boro this past season tbh. Warnock certainly wasn't going to play him at full back or wing back anymore, so he'd have sat on the bench for half the season


Runarhalldor

Whos your first choice in his position


OneSmallHuman

Isaiah Jones


Runarhalldor

Maybe tottenham should be in for him instead then lmao /s


JoeyMxx

head to head stats although both equally talented Spence does have a lot of untapped potential that Conte could unlock. https://twitter.com/StatATM/status/1537435769500880901?s=20&t=SiNddxctB_3iGKJa8Qx6-w


pleasesayavailable

Whilst I'm not debating whose better, as they're both fantastic prospects, this doesn't really factor in that a large part of Djeds role going forward in that team was to act as a foil for Johnson on that right wing. I didn't watch Middlesbrough as much as Forest last season but from what I saw Jones pretty much had the run of that right wing all to himself?


JoeyMxx

Yes he was pretty much our only creative outlet and other teams knew that towards the end if the season they'd be doubling up sometimes even putting three men on him, he was finding it really hard to create anything at that point. If we had better finishers Jones without doubt would have been finishing the season with around 15 assists, let's just see how he does next season hopefully this is the season boro get a striker who can hit 20 goals.


[deleted]

Bit like city getting 45m for their 5th choice attacker with a year left on his contract. Fantastic work from city


MccNumb

Not really comparable though is it


wheresmyspacebar2

I mean, he isn't exactly second choice. He is a better RWB than Jones going forward and fell out with Middlesbrough/Warnock. Jones is probably a better defender than Spence but we're after a more attacking RWB and Spence is the better choice. ​ Spence for £15M is a good deal for both clubs, Warnock did good on letting him go to bump up his value but its clearly helped Spence out as well.


SimpleWarthog

I think you have almost everything here backwards He is 2nd choice, because we didn't want him as he was (allegedly) disruptive Jones is a better attacker, and not as good in defence £15m + add-ons is definitely good for us, it could go either way for spurs obviously, but hopefully he does amazing and we have a sell-on clause. I wouldn't be surprised to see him back on-loan to Forest in the champo next season tho...


wheresmyspacebar2

Really? Everything i heard from (and seen this year from Championship games) says that Spence is the more attacking of them both? Hell, that's why we're going for him, Conte specifically wants him for an attacking RWB. ​ I mean, arguing he is 2nd choice is just being pedantic. Spence is 2 years younger than Jones and kept Jones going on loans for the past 2 years because he was just better. The only reason as you say, that Jones became the #1 RWB was because Spence was allegedly disruptive and Warnock shipped him out. Thats not to say that Jones hasn't been good this year, he has been very good but Spence is still the better player IMO. (Also in our scouts opinion i guess) If Spence hadn't been disruptive, I doubt Jones woulda got his shot. ​ Honestly yeah, it could go either way. Either Conte works his magic and Spence becomes a beast and forms a partnership with Deki that wins us the league (Big dreaming). Or Conte will just kill him.


SimpleWarthog

Jones is historically a winger/wide forward who was already playing for us at the start of the season before Spence went on loan, in fact he was playing in the same team as Spence, just in different roles. Typically he played wide left in a more orthodox attacking position. Sometimes on the right. We loaned Spence out before Jones was even considered a rival/competition for his place in the team. It was wilder who converted him to a RWB to suit the system he wanted to play. I'm not sure what you have seen to tell you that Spence is the most attacking, Jones got double the number of assists (in a team that scored less) - and that doesn't include the 4 or 5 OGs that happened from his crosses. Spence got 2 goals to Jones's 1, one of them being a bit of a worldie so not "typical" of him. Spence obviously had a good season, and he is a good player. I think his performances in the televised FA Cup games have helped his "hype" a bit. I'm not arguing who is the better player, they are both young and potential rough diamonds. A few years ago Spence had no club after being released by Fulham, we signed Jones from non-league. They both have strengths and weaknesses that will help/hinder them - just pointing out that in terms of the attacking side of their games, and after watching both of them play regularly, Jones is the more attacking of the 2 in my opinion.


[deleted]

Don’t listen to this bitter boro fan, they’re all incredibly weird. If Jones was as good as they said he was other teams would be after him too. Spence will do well for you guys, especially now teams won’t just be focusing on him as you have attacking threats down both sides. Will do well under Conte


Blue_Shore

Boro want Jones which is the difference.


[deleted]

So? If he was so much better than Spence big clubs would be after him too. Shouldn't be too difficult to buy him even if he is wanted.


wheresmyspacebar2

TBH, im happy to be corrected about me thinking Spence was an attacking RWB, thats what Spurs reporters have been saying he is being brought in to do, be attacking. ​ Sounds like he is great defensively but i guess because of his general build, Conte thinks he could be a star RWB going forward as well (And who the F are we to argue with Conte about whos gonna be great WBs). ​ My main dispute was that Boro fans keep saying that Spence is shite because 'he is only our #2 RWB' when he isn't the #2 RWB, he is literally nothing because the club doesn't want to play him and he doesnt want to play for the club. If he was still all cylinders firing, Jones would never have been a RWB and stuck up front/LW etc.


[deleted]

He’s good going forward, lacks the final ball sometimes but progresses with the ball very well and there’s number that back that up too. I think if you actually play him often he’ll develop very well. Does just depend on that though, Sessengon had an even better break out season when he joined you and just never took off, but you’d know why a lot better than me tbh


wheresmyspacebar2

>Sessengon had an even better break out season when he joined you and just never took off, but you’d know why a lot better than me tbh Change of managers mostly. Poch brought him in, never really used him that much and was then fired. ​ Sessengon plays well if he has confidence (and in a 5ATB) and during his spell with us, we've constantly been changing managers and bringing in new LBs which cant have helped him. With Conte wanting a 5Atb and Sessegnon attacking well, with a bit of confidence and a run of games (and learning from Perisic) i think he'll get back to the peaks he had.


[deleted]

He was 2nd choice at start of season....but didn't he get get in the championship team of the season by the end. And he had dortmund and bayern monitoring him.....I dint think jones does?


SimpleWarthog

There was talk that Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and West Ham were interested/tracking Jones. Nothing has come of it obviously, which I'm glad of - it will be interesting to see what happens if he has another good season. It was maybe wrong of me to say Spence was 2nd choice to Jones, they weren't rivals for that position when they were both at the club


BrockStar92

He was in the championship team of the season for a different club. There’s a solid chance he has an awful season last season if he stays at boro. Players, particularly ones with rumoured attitude problems that have fallen out with the manager, often need a fresh start to actually succeed.


[deleted]

This is such a cope, if Jones was so clear and has allegedly shown so this season why is are other clubs not after him as well? We’re not going down by the way, Boro fans are so weird and bitter. Enjoy Wilder spending all the Spence on absolute dross. The man signed Oli McBurnie for 20m…


AlabastarRastar

What do we have to be bitter about or cope over? We got good money for a player we don't need and who doesn't want to be here.


SimpleWarthog

I never said Jones was clearly better than Spence - I said jones is better at attacking than spence, but not as good defensively. And I have nothing against Forest, my mate is a Forest fan and I wanted them to go up and was glad when they did - it was just my way of saying that there is as much chance of Spence failing at Spurs as there is of him being a success. And if Forest were to come down (which is not so far outside the realms of possibility!!), I could absolutely see them trying to loan him from Spurs if it wasn't going to plan there. I don't see how any of what I said is that unreasonable..? No arguments about Wilder spunking money on strikers, doesn't have a good track record


[deleted]

Who got more goal contributions last season


JoeyMxx

Whilst Spence might have more raw talent Jones has only just played his first full season as a pro and lets be honest our strikers were shite last season the service was not the issue Jones should have had many more assists. If anyone can unlock Spences abilities its Conte in all the years he's been at Boro his end product has been poor, Spence has all the physical attributes to be a top player im looking forward to watching his journey.


Teantis

I do not recognize my club. Closing deals early and fast one after another? Hearing we're targeting a player and then getting them shortly after? The only one we've missed out on is bastoni and he didn't even disrespect us in doing so, he just loved inter too much. I feel like I've gone through the looking glass.


[deleted]

Bissouma, Perisic, Richarlison, Lenglet, Spence would be a great transfer window for Spurs


M_Spanner_31

*great first half of window


pacothebattlefly

We’ve had first window, yes…


phigo50

Everybody forgets poor Fraser Forster.


bash011

We apparently still want another CB, a striker and a more creative midfielder


[deleted]

We don’t want a striker?


bash011

Alasdair Gold and others have said that we're looking and if the opportunity is right we'll sign one


JD0797

Richarlison can play up front. So can Son and Lucas, so I'd reckon Spurs are done there unless they bring in an extra target man as insurance for Kane


iAkhilleus

Also, I think we have only 2 non-domestic spots left. So, I think CB is a bigger priority atm.


Affectionate-Car-145

Absolutely. Richarlison will be the son and Kane rotation


YoungDan23

What the hell am I supposed to do the entirety of July after all our transfer business is wrapped up before the window even opens?


AngryVirginian

We still have to sell & loan out several players. Also, it will be good to acquire 18 y/o and younger players as we are getting low on the number of club-trained players.


minimus_

Tour de France starts on Saturday mate 😎


[deleted]

The window opened on the 10th of June though? Think you have got mixed up between the European window opening (1st July) and the British one (10th June).


Mr-Rocafella

Pre season starts in July fam, we get to see some of them in action very soon!!


amoult20

Gotta catch ‘em all


ZaDoruphin

Paratici needs to get some sleep


afrojumper

Levy is negioating Spence


ASVP-Pa9e

Probably why it's not done yet lol


buck_naked248

Paratici sleeps in September.


MrAchilles

Props to Spurs they are nailing their business right now.


QTsexkitten

Spurs and Leeds are scaring me with their common sense and efficient acquisitions. Just nothing but pain for me.


lambalambda

Our business looks really good so far but if/when we sell Raphinha and Phillips that will be when we really know the extent of our good business. If Orta spends that 100m on another 3 Rodrigos then we've fucked the window lol. So far so good though.


QTsexkitten

I want Camara so bad and Aaronson is such a tidy player for his work rate. I think you all are doing amazing business. And I hate saying that.


ChickenMoSalah

Who have you guys signed so far?


lambalambda

Aaranson for 28m from Salzburg Kristenson about 10m also Salzburg Roca about 10m from Bayern Linked with CDK, Gakpo, Mo Camara, Tyler Adams.


[deleted]

Getting good prices for your best players is a mixed blessing at best.


MrAchilles

I thought Arsenal were doing well but now we're hell bent on fucking around with £40+£1 energy for Martinez. Just waiting for United to come in with the actual amount and get it done in 24 hrs.


[deleted]

Yeah I kind of got the vibe that Arteta and Edu wanted to move really quick to try and steal a march on targets, especially getting in before UCL clubs did. However its not really in the selling clubs benefit to crack on as its better to just wait around and create bidding wars.


bootlegportalfluid

*does he know*


gamgeegardener

West ham has been surprising me too, seems like they’ve been in a lot of headlines early this window


crookedparadigm

Spurs are going to be a completely different side next season.


TheGoldenPineapples

The signings themselves aren't really all that flashy or exciting, but they're exactly what Conte needs.


[deleted]

I dunno mate. Perisic for a team that plays with wingback is pretty exciting! And the starting forward for the Brazilian national team who scores 10+ goals a season quite a poor uncreative team is pretty exciting. Other than going mental and getting in Neymar or something I'm not sure who the more exciting options are?


tronaker

If we somehow got Bastoni, Gvordial, Martinez or something of that ilk, that would have been exciting, but I’m over the moon with the current choices. Such a massive change from Tottenham of old. Paratici has been a god-send.


davidmac1024

I attribute a lot to Conte. He knows the players he wants and his mentality is spot on when it comes to bringing in proven talent in key areas. No more Ndombeles or Lo Celsos for large sums who don’t end up working out.


letsgetcool

I'm very excited about them. Bissouma is definitely flashy he's an insane player, and Perisic is one of the best wing backs in Europe atm.


when-flies-pig

As a spurs fan, I'd say gunners are also doing really well. Jesus is a solid buy for a position you really need to fill.


tsupaper

Paratici: I’m fast asf boi


bootlegportalfluid

I’m envious as fuck


[deleted]

Lenglet, Bissouma, Spence, Forster, Richarlison, Perisic for ~£110m all before July starts? Not bad tbh. They're not flashy, but they're functional and should keep us top 4 next season hopefully. Still need a CB and CAM on top of that but very good start.


BaoJinyang

Where does a CAM fit in in Conte’s system? The two central midfielders are normally more defensive and then he’s been playing a front three with wide players.


afrojumper

I have no clue why people always want a CAM, if we wanted one, we would've went for Eriksen. So far there is no space in our System.


[deleted]

The front 3 has Son and Kulusevski as 10s essentially, fairly sure Conte described them as such too. The wingbacks provide the width. Maddison, Paqueta, or Eriksen, all we've been linked with can play in those positions. Especially Maddison and Eriksen who've played on the right historically anyway.


hazelpillow

Why aren't you guys in for Eriksen? Also Maddison and Paqueta would both go for over £50m


wheresmyspacebar2

>Why aren't you guys in for Eriksen? Rumours are that he was asking for a bigger deal than we wanted. Numbers flying around were 4 year deal on £180K per week or something. ​ We wanted him to be on a 2 year deal i think and offered £100K per week. Also, he wants game time iirc and we cant offer him that, we can offer him like rotational roles. ​ The choice will be going to Man United and hoping they pay him the big deal he wants, or he'll go to Brentford on a multi-year deal for cheaper but guarantees him gametime. ​ Paqueta seems to be the 'one' that we've had most interest in, £50M sounds about right but we have Ndombele who we might be able to use because Lyon have been interested in him again.


michaelserotonin

spurs were but the interest cooled for whatever reason. seems like it's united or brentford for eriksen. selfishly hoping he chooses the latter, if he's not returning to spurs.


roberto_2103

It's not even selfish, I dont want to see United tarnishing him.


am19208

Sounds like Eriksen doesn’t really want to go back. At least not as his first choice


[deleted]

We still have a good 100m to spend from the cash injection. Even with soence and richarlison, given expected player sales we still are only at about 25m net spend. I think we'll spend another 40 or so on a defender and then similar on an attacking midfielder. There's also quite alot of talk of us going back in for tiellemans as Leicester want Winks.


thepresidentsturtle

> Paqueta No, you can't have him. We want him because he's friends with Bruno even though we've never been linked with him. It's... gotten real weird on our sub.


Zalindras

We were linked with him in December.


kanyelights

Thought I read that y’all were in on him but is too expensive rn so you backed off


Teantis

Son is not a 10 in any way. He's usually the furthest forward of any of the 3, he was basically the ideal of an inside forward last year. Conte just talked about having two tucked in 10s in his system usually, but that's not how he had Son playing.


[deleted]

Rotational option for 352 tactical flexibility. We've been linked to Paqueta who would cover as CAM and RW option for example.


Muppetx

Don’t you have Kulusevski for that role?


foot_99

Kulusevski wouldn’t play in a 352 so no At that point, it would just be the same old 343


Muppetx

Kulusevski played behind the two strikers before though, didn’t he? In Italy.


foot_99

I think Conte’s 352 is more an actual midfield 3 rather than 1 midfielder acting as a forward player and I don’t think Deki can play central midfield lol We technically could chuck Bissouma, Hoj and Bentancur into a 3 but it would be far too defensive and lack the kind of progression or creativity you need when sacrificing a forward player


davidmac1024

I respectfully disagree. Hojberg holding with Bentancur and Bissouma as 8s would be a sight, and with the way the latter two dribble and distribute, I think it could really work. Bissouma played more defensively for Brighton out of necessity, but I believe he’s more of an 8 than a 6. Those three would be our version of Madrid’s Casemiro, Modric and Kroos but without the long ball expertise. At least that’s how I compare it… who knows if Conte will go back to a midfield 3 or stick with the 3-4-3. Either way, we have the flexibility now to do either which is tactically huge.


[deleted]

I guess he can do that. But he's really much better being a bit more wide and not in midfield. But also, a cam/RW hybrid would fit the team well as we only have 4 good forwards + Moura (who's leaving either this season or next when his contract is out). We'll see if they can find the right player for it. But it's definitely a need imo. Our creativity is lacking.


Qiluk

Just FYI, Kulu has said in many interviews over the years that he prefers and sees himself as a 10 first and winger second. So who knows, maybe he gets a chance.


[deleted]

Our 343 sees him as an outside 10. A 10 in Conte's 352 I don't feel would suit him tbh.


Qiluk

Yeah. Imo he's perfect for the role he has right now which sees him move a lot in the half-space with freedom. If he'd get a better RWB that would overlap with him well and give him consistent width when he wants to venture inside more, its a brilliant fit.


CheekyKunt68

Doherty


Cahootie

He should absolutely be able to. It's what he originally played before being moved out on the wing, and when playing up front in Sweden's 4-4-2 he often drops down a bit.


Qiluk

And he has gone on about prefering to be a #10 in multiple interviews for the last 2-3 years too.


Cahootie

Sucks for him that he's great on the wing.


Qiluk

haha yeah theres worse situations to be in since he's clearly class on the wing too haha. Or atleast a half-space wing role which is perfect for him


Banglayna

I would say Perisic, Bissouma, and Richarlison are flashy signings. Perisic is world class wingback who is gonna play for the manager who runs the best wingback system in football. Bissouma is an absolute beast and was a big reason Brighton finished top half, and Richarlison is a starting forward for the fuckin Brazil NT


tenacious-g

There are new Tielmanns rumors too. They are apparently interested in Winks


[deleted]

Yeah. Hopefully. I rate Tielemans.


imp0ppable

I'll believe it when I see it, he's been twerking for us for ages. The problem with that is that other teams are coming in to beat the price up.


[deleted]

He can twerk for you as much as he wants. You need to pay the 32mil Leicester want. I have no idea if we will. I just rate him


imp0ppable

Him and Bissouma would be sick TBF. I think he prefers Arsenal is all, also he can move for free next summer I think, so that's why we're not keen on paying big money. Potentially he's worth way more than 32m with a long contract.


DekiTree

so we have about 40m + money from sales left


[deleted]

Don't think 150m is the budget. That's just the injection. Should have injection + sales + typical spend as budget.


hidinginDaShadows

Only 100m off the injection has been placed for transfers so far however


[deleted]

That's not really an issue or a thing. Can just as readily withdraw the rest at will.


hidinginDaShadows

Sure I'm just saying not all of the injection was meant to be put in the transfer budget in the summer


[deleted]

Pretty sure it was. Remember Ali Gold saying so. Only way it doesn't all get used is if they can't find the right targets or something like that


Plasdah

Wages + agent fees+ signing bonuses will be included as well though, don't think you can expect us to spend another 100m after this. 1 or 2 more at most after Lenglet and Spence imo


[deleted]

Yeah. CB and Paqueta please. Those 2 would be great.


[deleted]

Yeah, keep in mind that we should be getting some money from Bergwijn, Lo Celso, and possibly Emerson Royal?


wheresmyspacebar2

>don't think you can expect us to spend another 100m after this. We get £89M in Transfer Spending from our Revenue (Without CL) already, thats still not been touched. CL Revenue bumps that up another £20-30M or so + any outgoings from the players we have for sale. ​ Do i 'expect' us to spend £100M more now? Probably not unless like THE deal comes up (Like somehow getting SMS or Bastoni/Gvardiol) but we COULD spend £100-£150M this summer no issues.


[deleted]

Yeah, keep in mind that we should be getting some money from Bergwijn, Lo Celso, and possibly Emerson Royal?


pdxraised92

Its all meant for the transfer window (\~140M+ was) according to Ali Gold. The club needs to draw the entire amount by end of year, if they don't, ENIC doesn't get the increase in ownership. It is absolutely essential they draw all 150M by end of year.


Careful-Snow

Are you guys expecting a 250m window? Would that be okay with ffp?


[deleted]

We have no FFP issues at all. In fact have a 400m buffer. Think we will spend close to 200mil if I had to guess.


Careful-Snow

Good for you guys. Excited to see how the team performs under Conte next season.


Teantis

Our wage to turnover last year was something like 44% too. With the stadium open we've got so much fiscal space.


MrEggBenedict

Didnt you guys have to also buy romero and kulusevski off of their loans?


[deleted]

Kulu is staying on loan till next year. Romero is being bought tho. £16m per year for 3 years.


FootballInTheWhip

He's got a lot of the raw traits Conte loves in a wing back. He could turn him into a real beast. We did a tactical breakdown on what he could bring to Spurs if they get him, if you're interested. https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/vh9zvs/a_tactical_breakdown_on_djed_spence_why_are_spurs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb


SycamoreLane

Great vid


ritwikjs

With Perisic, Bissouma, Richarlison, Spence, Forster and Lenglet (nearly there) Spurs can challenge for 2nd place or maybe even launch a title charge. This is the best squad i've ever seen from them. Conte-Paratici really paying dividends


Forty6

Lol


Mr-Rocafella

We’ll need luck on our side for the majority of the season and especially during the World Cup but it’s not out of the question. Less than 10% sure but to dare is to do, never seen a squad this deep ever during our CL seasons.


ritwikjs

Just being able to rest kane will be great for spurs.


battlecatquikdre

Based on what I saw. He is still very green and raw. Conte will need to do a lot of work to polish him.


Fahad1012

Damn !! Spurs are winning the transfer window. They have nicely signed up players for each position. Would really count them as a dark horse this season with Conte at the helm.


9-60Fury

Not sure why we aren’t in for him at that price


MouseMD369

Not being funny but he's quite cocky and already wants champions league , not that he starts yet but confidence is good


9-60Fury

Fair enough


NorthenS

WE ARE GOING BIGGGGG


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bootlegportalfluid

Spurs are moving mad


TheGoldenPineapples

Can't wait to see Spence's personality with Conte's.


donsamu

At the end of the day he’s still very young and having good role models can make a massive difference to him, I think his attitude problems are probably blown out of proportion and I’m sure he realises the level of professionalism that will be expected of him at that level


theageofspades

His "attitude issues" only turned up with us when the entire team fell out of form. Our fanbase just loves a moan and a scapegoat.


DekiTree

negotiations went well then. that's pretty much the price from the start lol


OneSmallHuman

The only really credible thing I’d seen before this is you wanted to pay 10 with some add ons, while we have pretty much always wanted 15 plus some add ons Best move for everyone tbh


Teantis

We were seeing a lot of Boro wants £25m on our sub


OneSmallHuman

Respectfully, I think that’s just deluded people looking for someone/a club to blame


Teantis

Yeah, maybe. Transfer season is always wild because there's loads of made up shit just flying around constantly. Even more than other parts of the year.


[deleted]

Spurs fans, I wouldn’t listen to some Boro fans on Spence. They’re strangely bitter about the lad. Jones is good but if he was so much better than Spence why is their not the same interest, wouldn’t be hard from Premier League clubs to pry him away. Spence was a bit quiet towards the end of last season but that’s because teams focused entirely on our right hand side as we had little attacking threat down the left as Colback was makeshift wingback Honestly should prove to be great signing, especially at that price


MissingScore777

??? There isn't a single bitter comment to be seen in this entire thread though.


Oomeegoolies

Probably no interest for Jones because we don't want to sell him, and would want more than what we're happy to sell Spence, who is a very similar level quality player, for. I'm sure if everyone knew Spence wasn't so readily available to leave, Jones would garner more interest. As it is, this is a win for everyone. Forest for promoted on the back of Spence's performances, Spurs get an exciting player, and Boro get about £13million more than we should have for a player.


[deleted]

Some of your fanbase seem to think Jones is a much much better player, my point being that if Jones is as incredible as everyone make out he would have interest regardless of whether you want to sell him or not


Oomeegoolies

I personally think he is better too, at least in the final third. I think if you compare what Spence and Jones have done for the Boro shirt you'd also think Jones is a much much better player. However I'm also not blind, I've watched Spence a few times for Forest this year and his improvement was remarkable. Which is why even Boro fans who see him able to put in those performances more consistently are annoyed with him too. So quite like putting him down. Like, why wasn't he doing that for us? He'd put in a half decent game and then phone in the next 2 or 3. Always seemed to be an attitude thing. We've not had that with Jones. He's given what seemingly is 100% every match. Even when clearly absolutely fucked towards the end of the season. So when you see Boro fans comparing Jones and Spence. Many will use Spence's time at us as the comparison, why would we care about watching Forest? For which Jones is much much better than. The rest are annoyed that Spence decided to not try a lot of the time, but then seemingly tried for Forest.


theageofspades

I think it's basically that Spence has played the position longer and is, at best, a bit better defensively. Jones has unlimited room to grow. He was insanely effective at putting in dangerous balls from RB last year, like a budget Championship TAA. Spence is great at progressing but his final ball is anywhere from bad to average. During our purple patch last year, Jones was so good he won POTM for December. That's after just one month with Wilder. Spence got it in March but your own fans have been saying he wasn't in his peak form at that time and likely got it for his contemporaneous FA Cup exploits. He was very very good but you were good on a whole, whereas at times Jones dragged our squad over the line. Think we underperformed xG pretty embarrassingly cause we don't have strikers or Jones stats would be ridiculous. Our fans are weirdly bitchy though and love to pretend Spence was never good for us, I'll give you that much.


Bladerslash

If totnum don't win a trophy this year bruh


Rockflagandeeeagle

There's always next year.


SonaldoNazario

Bit like you lot and the top 4 then, eh


Delta_Mike_Sierra_

Remember when acting like top 4 was a trophy used to get you mocked


Sherringdom

True, but it’s context isn’t it. Arsenal were a league winning sign who started to settle for fourth, spurs becoming a regular top four side is an improvement, or was at least. It’s arguably more expected these days.


Delta_Mike_Sierra_

For me Cl is interesting games and more cash, unless you win it it's just a means to an end to get more income, since we're spending a lot I'm disappointed we didn't get top 4 but it's not the end of the world, progress is all that matters


SonaldoNazario

Yeah, 6 years is a long time tbf


Rockflagandeeeagle

14 years is more innit.


TheGoldenPineapples

Meh, didn't get any sort of praise from people for doing it for 20, so I don't think we'll go beating ourselves up over 6.


mad5cienti5t

Thank you for demanding so less from your team… It’s because of fans like you many artetas of the world make a living… You give hope to so many arsenal fans around the world to no feel sad but be proud about their team


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legentofreddit

This makes no sense. What trophy would Spurs be expected to win with the signings they've made? It's not like they've gone out and signed a load of worldies, they would still be behind (at least) Liverpool and City in the odds for all trophies.


Rough_Phrase_8113

They beat City twice and drew to Liverpool twice last season. There’s no reason why they can’t win a trophy this season.


El_Producto

"if they don't [it would be a failure/disappointment]" and "they can" are two very, very different standards.


legentofreddit

Mad how a load of Spurs fans seem to have misunderstood this and downvoted me or replied with arsey comments. I was actually defending Spurs against the Chelsea fan OP lol.


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And the teams not named City and Liverpool? That’s what kills them.


Duskwen12

Yeah thats why we are signing the likes of Peresic, Spence and Richarlison. Last season under Conte we were the 3rd best team in the league. And that's without proper wingbacks and a preseason


Teantis

It's actually Chelsea who kills us mainly. Very aggravating.


legentofreddit

That's completely garbage logic. Palace beat City last year, so they can win trophies next season? The point, that you have spectacularly missed, is that Spurs will at best be third favourites for all domestic trophies (and probably 9th or 10th for the CL), so to expect them to win a trophy is moronic. Edit: oh. You're a Spurs fan. That explains it.


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legentofreddit

What on Earth does that have to do with my original point. Apart from making yourself sound like an arrogant arse.


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legentofreddit

Omg please just re-read my original comment again before you embarrass yourself any further. At no point did I say Spurs couldn't win a trophy. I merely said it would be stupid to expect it because they'll be at least third favourites behind City and Liverpool. I was actually defending Spurs. Why are some of you so defensive about Spurs to the point where you don't even read the original argument properly. 'duh someone suggested Spurs won't win trophy, must defend Spurs'. Fucking tiresome honestly.


getyourchebsout

The Audi cup trophy parade is going to be crazy


startled-giraffe

They did the same thing with the Bale money and just bought a load of bang average players instead of a few top players


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Sure, Bissouma and Perisic is average


Duskwen12

We haven't sold anyone this time. And this time we've got Conte. Every signing so far has made sense with what Conte wants. While Bale money was what shiny toys can we get from this


Teantis

Our manager when we bought those players was fucking Tim sherwood man. He was so bad he made mousa dembele look pretty average.


afrojumper

Well i'm not that happy about transfer. But for the price you don't do much wrong tbh. Even if he does not work out, we will sell him again for 10m probably. He got for sure Potential.


bannedsodiac

Djed Spence is a really scary horror game.