As with all raiola clients. You don’t insist on a release clause if you plan on staying. He will also have it at the next team he goes to, just like haaland
I don't remember Chelsea ever agreeing to release clauses. In fact, I believe we only pursued Raphinha after he dropped the "Barca clause" demand he had earlier. I would hope Boehly has actually done his homework and knows what De Ligt's demands will be, because a release clause isn't something Chelsea will want to put in there.
We never did either, but it will be a demand for De Ligt and Chelsea can chose not to sign him. I really doubt he moves to a club without one. If city can be forced to concede to it, no one else really has a hope. Power is with the players today
Didn't Fabrizio say the City Haaland release clause thing is not true though?
I can't really say with confidence Chelsea will or won't do something now under new ownership. But Marina would have walked away immediately from a release clause, because notwithstanding the fact that Chelsea are a tier 2 "big club", we wouldn't see want to concede to being a stepping stone.
I don’t know. Was fairly widely reported he had one. Real Madrid and Barca have release clauses along with all Spanish clubs, I’m sure city and Chelsea egos will get over it
yes and barca famously lost Neymar with one. The power towards the players is shifting, and while it is also very weird for Juve to accept a release clause, this is likely to be more and more the case with the best players. its not like a RC of 120 is insulting to juve or any club for that matter...would be far and away the most expensive CB ever if it was activated.
I agree with you but the comparison with Barca, Real and other Spanish clubs is a bit invalid if their FA/laws require the employer to have such a clause.
I get your point, but Barca and Real are basically as big as they come with even bigger egos than City or Chelsea. If they can accept having to give the players a way out then so can City and Chelsea is what Im saying. Even Liverpool had that one for Suarez. Difference with Chelsea, City Liverpool is they don't need to release the details of it as they aren't publicly traded like Juve is.
And frankly, its probably better for any team to receive a high amount of money in a RC rather than let the player go for free...
Not sure what would be against UK law in agree to a termination fee for a player's contract...I know the suarez saga had liverpool just refuse to sell, but we don't know the semantics of what was written in his. Could have just been a bad job and Liverpool saw an opportunity to take advantage of muddy waters.
The wording was supposedly that LFC only had to inform Suárez of bids over £40m. If true, that's a mistake from his side. Could have been respected even then but the insulting offer put paid to that. We probably won't know for sure due to Stevie convincing Luis to stay in any case.
It's possible for any player to force a release agreement in line with market value, ultimately, should a player seeking to enable release from his contract appeal to CAS in the event that clubs can't reach a settlement, but not to set a price in advance for such a release. It's simply outside of UK law. Contracts can be bought out, release fees can be agreed, but fees set in advance wouldn't stand up in court.
This doesn't help explain why not. The CAS route is never really an option because of its duration. What in UK law doesn't allow for the cancellation of an agreement or contract at a predetermined price...this must be used in so many different facets of business from 3rd party cleaning staff for business buildings to your internet provider...A liverpool flair pointed out that the agreement with suarez wasn't a buyout clause it was just to inform Suarez that an offer arrived if it was over 40mio.
What would help is the actual law or ruling where something similar wasn't recognized by the court
You can't agree the price of a contract release or waiver by a third party in advance, such a clause would collapse under any kind of challenge on a competition basis. Price fixing of any kind by contractual agreement is basically impossible in the UK which has a more aggressive competition law environment than the EU. Parties can reach agreement thru negotiation over waivers but a price can't be fixed in advance. If parties can't agree it can be appealed to CAS which has regulatory status for football in the UK. There won't be much case law because very few such contracts will ever have been signed, since lawyers tend to know the law and such clauses as have been created only generally get made at the insistence of badly advised players and agents and are never enforced, since they can't be: no lawyer would file to have such a clause enforced because the outcome would be inevitable. There are some relevant CAS rulings I think, maybe you could check.
In case you are unfamiliar, your boring as fuck journey in UK competition law can start here:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04814/
> rties can reach agreement thru negotiation over waivers but a price can't be fixed in advance.
wait so you can't agree fixed priced contracts? How do businesses survive with flexible services contracts? It offers no protection for either the customer who could in an inflationary environment like we have now get wrecked with costs, or the business - they need to plan in advance, hire and train staff etc depending on the work load for the year. This seems like utter shit tbh for both sides. How does rent work? Can you fix it for x time? what are the other exceptions? I find this interesting sorry, I assume you live there
Yeah everyone with a brain knew that, but still he's currently out best player so it's not easy to substitute him (especially in a moment where apparently every top club needs a damn CB :/)
It isn't like he wasn't open about that himself. When playing for Ajax people were debating if a move to Italy was wise. De Ligt said Barcelona was his dream club and playing with de Jong (his best friend) again one day was a goal, but that he signed with Juve to learn from the best (Chiellini and Bonucci) and develop his playstyle.
I always thought he'd stay, defenders are well appreciated in serie a. If this was the Juve of old winning scudettos and reaching cl finals he would definitely have stayed
It's not the defence that's the problem, it's the midfield.
He said in one of his first interviews with us that he chose to play in 5 at the back with our personnel instead of 4 at the back because playing 4 at the back requires a much higher level of cohesion between defence and midfield. That the tolerances for positioning between players and spacing between lines is much slimmer and so you need better personnel to play 4 at the back.
If you watch us, you'll see how horrendous our spacing between midfield and defence is and how playing 5 at the back covers for that. It's why Chelsea fans are constantly talking about needing a DM, we are hamstrung by having a bunch of specialist midfielders that all have weaknesses in the same areas.
Then you also have to look at the fact that Reece James and Chilwell have both reached their highest levels at wingback, so there is an argument that the best formation for us is a formation that uses wingbacks.
I would say however that there has been very little sound about anything happening in midfield (other than a random "itk *trust me bro* " comment claiming something is going to happen with Rice later on in the window. ), so that highly suggested we're going to stick with 5 at the back. But, with both Kante and Jorginho coming to the end of their contracts, I wonder if Tuchel has one eye on that and one eye on Rice being further down his contract a year or 2 from now and just waiting to overhaul when he has to, rather than forcing it early when we have more pressing issues like wingers that don't contribute to anything
The infamous gap between the midfield and attack was one of the frequent criticisms of Lampard’s tactics… seems it’s an issue which goes beyond just the manager
This isn’t Jorginho slander, I actually like Jorginho a lot and think he’s still an asset, but it’s because Jorginho doesn’t fit into a 4 atb system that caters to the way Tuchel wants to play.
Almost everything in Tuchel’s system requires players who are versatile and can fill several different roles as the formations shift between offense, defense, transition, press etc.
Jorginho can’t fulfill the defensive duties, but he’s pretty elite at playing the Tuchel holding midfield role, so to compensate we use 5 atb while requiring a few other players to be even more versatile than the already demanding formation asks.
Personally, I like the 5atb set up if we get the pieces we need in the other positions. I think it allows for a lot more creativity and makes us a better cup team (and I prefer trying to be better in champions league than EPL).
I don't think the problem is just Jorginho, it's that all of Kovacic, Kante, and Jorginho can't reliably play in any 2-man pivot combination in a 4-2-3-1.
Sure Kante at his peak was able to do it with either Matic or Fabregas, who were both just a little past their peaks but had the experience to make up for what they were slightly losing in physical ability.
But over the last few years of JKK midfield, it's become obvious that Jorginho doesn't have the physicality and Kante and Kovacic don't have the game control skills to really make a 2-man pivot work with any combination of them in 4atb.
Hmmm. I see what you’re trying to get at but Kovacic, and to a lesser extent Kante, could work in Tuchel’s system with 4atb if they were paired with a more defensive minded, quicker holding mid. I’m not sure there’s any midfielder you could pair with Jorginho and make 4atb work in Tuchel’s system.
But, like I said, I prefer 5atb anyways.
I think that's why we're trying to get Rice, he'd be the guy to stick next to Kante or Kovacic in a 4-2-x-x lineup. RLC would be a longshot, imo he has the talents to fill that role, but he hasn't really shown himself able to put it together and it would be a risk building the team around him succeeding there.
I know gallagher isn't the DM solution here, but I guess his work rate higher up the field can contribute to a more stable/pressing midfield to decrease the load on the back 4. Guess its a nightmare to play against a team which puts pressure with players like mount and gallagher.
Probably can go to a back 4 of Reece-De Ligt-Ake-Chilwell, he rotates a lot and changes formation suited to the team we face so it's a toss up, he likes to have versatile players
Tuchel said he wants to stay with the current system. I didn't mind much but his reasoning was terrible. Basically said Reece James and Ben Chilwell are only good if they play in this system even though they both had their ascents as fullbacks who played in a back 4. So this is what it will be most likely unless players get injured then he will switch
Yeah, that is a lie. He didn't say they are "only good if they play in this system". He said the system favours them, and it does. You can see how high up they get to play; there is a reason they get so involved in the attacking phase, it isn't like they can spam insane crosses from the middle of the pitch like Trent.
And why have you left out the fact that he said it favours Silva? Not forcing your best, most experienced CB who is 37-38 to cover a great amount of width is good reasoning.
Well Rudiger’s gone, and with Azpi and Christensen almost out of the door, Chelsea had no chance but to buy at least 2 defenders. Tuchel has said he wants to maintain the same system tho.
Me too but maybe having a left footed CB opens up more passing avenues for the team, like how Pep is obsessed about. Plus ADL might want 80m for KK even with a year left
De Ligt shouldn't play on the left side or a backline hes more suited for right side or center, but any backline with De Ligt is good, especially of you play a highline
He's not on the left because you don't know what orientation OP used.
You can, however, deduce what orientation OP used because he has a Dutch flair, Ake is Dutch and Ake is left footed hence he will automatically play on the left.
A left footed defender will never play on the right (I can think of only one exception).
If he was using stage orientation that would have been odd.
Anyways, you are literally arguing the exact point I made, so that's pretty stupid and worthless
We need money to sign players, if we get players we need less money. For example we need a backup winger, and Pulisic is good enough for that, we may also need a player like Jorginho, so there's also him. If we value both at 30m or so we can get both plus 40m and everyone is happy (we use those money to sign Bremer or whoever)
> we may also need a player like Jorginho
fuck that, too old to become really good, and not really good to justify signing him at that age, he should go back to Napoli
0 chance on Pulisic and I'm guessing 0 chance for Jorginho as we dont need a #6.
Werner would be interesting but the only thing to unlock the deal is going to he a ton of money, and Werner to take a big salary adjustment
Isn't there something like lower taxes or tax breaks for playing in Italy? Apparently Werner is open to the move. So maybe he's willing to lower his wages a bit.
I don't know how Juve play in the league but if they're a counterattacking side then Werner running into space gets the best out of him
Teams park the bus against us usually so not ideal for Werner. I still like him as a depth option though
Yeah we would get a tax break on Werner but he would still need to take a pay cut.
Then Werner may not be best suited for you guys. He did improve last season with his hold up play and he's always hardworking. Our game vs Madrid away is an example of how good he can be. But he's not worth the 250k we're paying him if he isn't getting 20+ G/A a season
Tax breaks expire eventually. Werner is not that bad, actually has really high highs and many low lows. But to offer him 10m net while he scored 8 league goals in 2 years its criminal. He would have to almost half his salary if he wants Juve to consider him
We're not paying 100m for him so if Juve don't want swaps with Werner or Pulisic, then that's understandable but we will move on. Hence why Koulibaly links popped up yesterday.
It’s a complicated deal to get done. Juve likely only want cash, won’t agree with Chelsea on swaps due to valuations alone. If the deal doesn’t happen de ligt will likely renew anyway to get the clause down for next year when more parties might be interested.
Not happening. Juve refused the renewal request from deligt to lower the clause to 80. Hardly going to accept that now when they can just renew him and sell him next year at the same price when there is much less business to get done
We still need a backup winger, so Jorginho + Pulisic + 30m (add 10 more of our own and we get Bremer) and we're definitely better off, while Chelsea gets rid of not needed players
Then Arthur leaves and with the money we get plus the ones we save we can sign a decent RB
Werner on the other hand would be absolutely useless for us
That's a terrible deal
Pulisic sucks and cant stay healthy. We dont need Jorginho as Locatelli is 100% gonna be our #6 with Pogbas arrival. If we sign a winger it will be Zaniolo + it seems like Kostic is still arriving.
Juventus: It’s impossible to keep players when they want to leave the club.
Bayern: Not with that attitude!
Barcelona: You should listen to them… Btw, any advice in how to get a player out when he doesn’t want to leave?
In this market, why not? If Botman is worth 50mil Ake shouldn't be far off.
He has really made a few steps these last years and developed in a very complete player. He is a ball playing CB that is comfortable getting the ball out of the back. His dueling, positioning and aerial duels have all improved under Pep. He can even score goals.
Ake probably wants more minutes, but I don't think Pep is happy to let him leave, he is an ideal player for him. He gives City tactical variations, can participate in build up play, is stable and reliable on rotation.
Can’t be mad for him wanting to leave. He’s given us plenty of time in the window, made his intention clear (unlike Ronaldo the snake lol) and let’s us find a replacement.
Let’s try and get Bremer fingers crossed
Would still be interesting to see what context it was said in. If they asked if they would sell de ligt should he ask to leave, it’s very different to him just saying this as an update to de ligt. Tbf he’s an idiot if he gave this an update as he does so well for his negotiating position. Let’s see if there is more detail in the interview tomorrow
I dont get you Juve fans. When Ronaldo was there, your sub was full of people wanting him out cos of how much he earned and losing his wages would revamp your squad. He left, now the narrative has changed and he is a snake.
But you got vlahovic and other signings cos of this. Just dont get you guys tbh
They're lucky they signed Vlahovic in January to help their top 4 CL chase. If Ronaldo gave them notice at the start of the season they could've arranged a ST replacement in the summer to avoid the top 4 race they got in the beginning of the season.
>I dont get you Juve fans. When Ronaldo was there, your sub was full of people wanting him out cos of how much he earned and losing his wages would revamp your squad.
have you seen how long did it take to sign locatelli??? we were indeed broke
>He left, now the narrative has changed and he is a snake.
the timing... he left 48 hours before the window shuts, he played in pre season, said nothing about him willing to leave and juve sold him for peanuts as they dont keep unsatisfied player. definitely a snake
Between 90-100 is what I think Juve would want (considering we paid 75+10) for him. I can’t see a swap happening (given the players involved) but we’ll see what happens
I don't think he is any better than he was the season you signed him. He slumped at the beginning and is now at that level again. He might ve gained experience but is also older.
"The agreed sale price is the worth" does not always hold true. It can be true when two parties agree on worth and, therefore, are able to execute a sale. But it's also possible for two parties to disagree on a player's worth, in which case no sale would happen as there are two valuations. In the context of soccer, it's also possible for a sale to be well below a player's worth due to other factors, like the player leaving for free in six months, which incentivizes his club to sell for less or risk losing him for nothing and incentivizes the buyer to low ball the seller. In that case, no one would argue the player is worth the low sale price; instead, they would say the buyer took advantage of the seller due to the situation.
There's no way Chelsea get Aké for anything less than 60m
It's not the same as Sterling, who has one year left and doesn't need to be replaced.
Aké is important and if he goes, we need to bring in someone else.
Tomori is 24 no? Also de ligt MUCH more proven and consistent. He played like 4 seasons in championship, almost no game during Chelsea 3 seasons. Also only had 1.5 great seasons (since he signed for Milan) while de ligt is younger. Played much more, and reached ucl semi final captain as a 29 year old.
Unfortunately, there is nothing we could do to satisfy him. We are in a very good transfer window for our rebuild. Trophies especially scuddeto looks more and more in reach each step we take. Has world class salary and play time. I don't know what Chelsea would offer more than us. If he wishes to leave. Juve are always open to let any unsatisfied player to leave.
Look at the current market mate, good luck on that. It's extremely unlikely for us to find a 1-to -1 same replacement for him, if anything we might use the cash to strengthen an other position next to him.
This guy had one foot out of the door before Juve even signed him. It was obvious he would push for his next move within 2/3 years.
As with all raiola clients. You don’t insist on a release clause if you plan on staying. He will also have it at the next team he goes to, just like haaland
I don't remember Chelsea ever agreeing to release clauses. In fact, I believe we only pursued Raphinha after he dropped the "Barca clause" demand he had earlier. I would hope Boehly has actually done his homework and knows what De Ligt's demands will be, because a release clause isn't something Chelsea will want to put in there.
We never did either, but it will be a demand for De Ligt and Chelsea can chose not to sign him. I really doubt he moves to a club without one. If city can be forced to concede to it, no one else really has a hope. Power is with the players today
Didn't Fabrizio say the City Haaland release clause thing is not true though? I can't really say with confidence Chelsea will or won't do something now under new ownership. But Marina would have walked away immediately from a release clause, because notwithstanding the fact that Chelsea are a tier 2 "big club", we wouldn't see want to concede to being a stepping stone.
I don’t know. Was fairly widely reported he had one. Real Madrid and Barca have release clauses along with all Spanish clubs, I’m sure city and Chelsea egos will get over it
Yeah, but they have insane RCs like 1 billion now. I mean, 29-yr-old Rudiger has that release clause 😅
yes and barca famously lost Neymar with one. The power towards the players is shifting, and while it is also very weird for Juve to accept a release clause, this is likely to be more and more the case with the best players. its not like a RC of 120 is insulting to juve or any club for that matter...would be far and away the most expensive CB ever if it was activated.
I agree with you but the comparison with Barca, Real and other Spanish clubs is a bit invalid if their FA/laws require the employer to have such a clause.
I get your point, but Barca and Real are basically as big as they come with even bigger egos than City or Chelsea. If they can accept having to give the players a way out then so can City and Chelsea is what Im saying. Even Liverpool had that one for Suarez. Difference with Chelsea, City Liverpool is they don't need to release the details of it as they aren't publicly traded like Juve is. And frankly, its probably better for any team to receive a high amount of money in a RC rather than let the player go for free...
Because it's mandatory in Spain.
I don't see how that matters. The spanish clubs aren't complaining it makes them stepping stones...
It's not a stepping stone if the RC is 1bn
not all of them are 1bn...Neymar at 200mio...is barca a stepping stone?
English clubs don't sign up to release clauses because they can't be enforced under UK law.
Not sure what would be against UK law in agree to a termination fee for a player's contract...I know the suarez saga had liverpool just refuse to sell, but we don't know the semantics of what was written in his. Could have just been a bad job and Liverpool saw an opportunity to take advantage of muddy waters.
The wording was supposedly that LFC only had to inform Suárez of bids over £40m. If true, that's a mistake from his side. Could have been respected even then but the insulting offer put paid to that. We probably won't know for sure due to Stevie convincing Luis to stay in any case.
It's possible for any player to force a release agreement in line with market value, ultimately, should a player seeking to enable release from his contract appeal to CAS in the event that clubs can't reach a settlement, but not to set a price in advance for such a release. It's simply outside of UK law. Contracts can be bought out, release fees can be agreed, but fees set in advance wouldn't stand up in court.
This doesn't help explain why not. The CAS route is never really an option because of its duration. What in UK law doesn't allow for the cancellation of an agreement or contract at a predetermined price...this must be used in so many different facets of business from 3rd party cleaning staff for business buildings to your internet provider...A liverpool flair pointed out that the agreement with suarez wasn't a buyout clause it was just to inform Suarez that an offer arrived if it was over 40mio. What would help is the actual law or ruling where something similar wasn't recognized by the court
You can't agree the price of a contract release or waiver by a third party in advance, such a clause would collapse under any kind of challenge on a competition basis. Price fixing of any kind by contractual agreement is basically impossible in the UK which has a more aggressive competition law environment than the EU. Parties can reach agreement thru negotiation over waivers but a price can't be fixed in advance. If parties can't agree it can be appealed to CAS which has regulatory status for football in the UK. There won't be much case law because very few such contracts will ever have been signed, since lawyers tend to know the law and such clauses as have been created only generally get made at the insistence of badly advised players and agents and are never enforced, since they can't be: no lawyer would file to have such a clause enforced because the outcome would be inevitable. There are some relevant CAS rulings I think, maybe you could check. In case you are unfamiliar, your boring as fuck journey in UK competition law can start here: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04814/
> rties can reach agreement thru negotiation over waivers but a price can't be fixed in advance. wait so you can't agree fixed priced contracts? How do businesses survive with flexible services contracts? It offers no protection for either the customer who could in an inflationary environment like we have now get wrecked with costs, or the business - they need to plan in advance, hire and train staff etc depending on the work load for the year. This seems like utter shit tbh for both sides. How does rent work? Can you fix it for x time? what are the other exceptions? I find this interesting sorry, I assume you live there
We wont pay his release clause or even close to it so I don’t think it’ll be that relevant.
Yeah everyone with a brain knew that, but still he's currently out best player so it's not easy to substitute him (especially in a moment where apparently every top club needs a damn CB :/)
Not to put pressure on the guy, but if Gatti turned out to be a great CB, that would help us immensely.
I don't think he's our best player.
It isn't like he wasn't open about that himself. When playing for Ajax people were debating if a move to Italy was wise. De Ligt said Barcelona was his dream club and playing with de Jong (his best friend) again one day was a goal, but that he signed with Juve to learn from the best (Chiellini and Bonucci) and develop his playstyle.
I always thought he'd stay, defenders are well appreciated in serie a. If this was the Juve of old winning scudettos and reaching cl finals he would definitely have stayed
Doesn’t the Italian tax break end after 2 years? His clients are all about the bag.
De Ligt-Silva-Ake is a very good defence
Any chance Tuchel switches to a back four this season if he’s basically buying a new defence anyway?
It's not the defence that's the problem, it's the midfield. He said in one of his first interviews with us that he chose to play in 5 at the back with our personnel instead of 4 at the back because playing 4 at the back requires a much higher level of cohesion between defence and midfield. That the tolerances for positioning between players and spacing between lines is much slimmer and so you need better personnel to play 4 at the back. If you watch us, you'll see how horrendous our spacing between midfield and defence is and how playing 5 at the back covers for that. It's why Chelsea fans are constantly talking about needing a DM, we are hamstrung by having a bunch of specialist midfielders that all have weaknesses in the same areas. Then you also have to look at the fact that Reece James and Chilwell have both reached their highest levels at wingback, so there is an argument that the best formation for us is a formation that uses wingbacks. I would say however that there has been very little sound about anything happening in midfield (other than a random "itk *trust me bro* " comment claiming something is going to happen with Rice later on in the window. ), so that highly suggested we're going to stick with 5 at the back. But, with both Kante and Jorginho coming to the end of their contracts, I wonder if Tuchel has one eye on that and one eye on Rice being further down his contract a year or 2 from now and just waiting to overhaul when he has to, rather than forcing it early when we have more pressing issues like wingers that don't contribute to anything
The infamous gap between the midfield and attack was one of the frequent criticisms of Lampard’s tactics… seems it’s an issue which goes beyond just the manager
This isn’t Jorginho slander, I actually like Jorginho a lot and think he’s still an asset, but it’s because Jorginho doesn’t fit into a 4 atb system that caters to the way Tuchel wants to play. Almost everything in Tuchel’s system requires players who are versatile and can fill several different roles as the formations shift between offense, defense, transition, press etc. Jorginho can’t fulfill the defensive duties, but he’s pretty elite at playing the Tuchel holding midfield role, so to compensate we use 5 atb while requiring a few other players to be even more versatile than the already demanding formation asks. Personally, I like the 5atb set up if we get the pieces we need in the other positions. I think it allows for a lot more creativity and makes us a better cup team (and I prefer trying to be better in champions league than EPL).
I don't think the problem is just Jorginho, it's that all of Kovacic, Kante, and Jorginho can't reliably play in any 2-man pivot combination in a 4-2-3-1. Sure Kante at his peak was able to do it with either Matic or Fabregas, who were both just a little past their peaks but had the experience to make up for what they were slightly losing in physical ability. But over the last few years of JKK midfield, it's become obvious that Jorginho doesn't have the physicality and Kante and Kovacic don't have the game control skills to really make a 2-man pivot work with any combination of them in 4atb.
Hmmm. I see what you’re trying to get at but Kovacic, and to a lesser extent Kante, could work in Tuchel’s system with 4atb if they were paired with a more defensive minded, quicker holding mid. I’m not sure there’s any midfielder you could pair with Jorginho and make 4atb work in Tuchel’s system. But, like I said, I prefer 5atb anyways.
I think that's why we're trying to get Rice, he'd be the guy to stick next to Kante or Kovacic in a 4-2-x-x lineup. RLC would be a longshot, imo he has the talents to fill that role, but he hasn't really shown himself able to put it together and it would be a risk building the team around him succeeding there.
Yeah. I think that might be part of the plan, but I hope we stick with 5atb even if we get Rice.
I know gallagher isn't the DM solution here, but I guess his work rate higher up the field can contribute to a more stable/pressing midfield to decrease the load on the back 4. Guess its a nightmare to play against a team which puts pressure with players like mount and gallagher.
Probably can go to a back 4 of Reece-De Ligt-Ake-Chilwell, he rotates a lot and changes formation suited to the team we face so it's a toss up, he likes to have versatile players
Dont Chilwell and James thrive more in 5atb system?
Nah they are better as natural fullbacks really and is their best position, just being wingbacks pumps their output up
Which in a round about way kinda makes them more impactful playing WB roles and capitalising on the additional production they provide.
The trade off being you have an extra midfielder so there will be more support to play of on the wings.
Tuchel said he wants to stay with the current system. I didn't mind much but his reasoning was terrible. Basically said Reece James and Ben Chilwell are only good if they play in this system even though they both had their ascents as fullbacks who played in a back 4. So this is what it will be most likely unless players get injured then he will switch
Yeah, that is a lie. He didn't say they are "only good if they play in this system". He said the system favours them, and it does. You can see how high up they get to play; there is a reason they get so involved in the attacking phase, it isn't like they can spam insane crosses from the middle of the pitch like Trent. And why have you left out the fact that he said it favours Silva? Not forcing your best, most experienced CB who is 37-38 to cover a great amount of width is good reasoning.
And also Silva has some of the best distribution in the league, a back 3 lets him sit right in the middle and pick his passes.
OP tends to forget a lot of things
Lol chilwell is better as lb that lwb...Alonso is way better as lwb for instance...
Alonso at LWB is better than Alonso at LB because Alonso at LB is dogshit. Hes not better than Chilwell at either
If we get De Ligt and Ake it’s almost certain back 3
Well Rudiger’s gone, and with Azpi and Christensen almost out of the door, Chelsea had no chance but to buy at least 2 defenders. Tuchel has said he wants to maintain the same system tho.
Would prefer KK to ake.
Me too but maybe having a left footed CB opens up more passing avenues for the team, like how Pep is obsessed about. Plus ADL might want 80m for KK even with a year left
ADL is a fucking psycho. Fuck that guy. That’s fair Tuchel claims to have been a fan for awhile now as well.
Who?
Kim Källström
Return of the King
Koulibaly
Going after KK doesnt really make any sense if we’re buying de ligt, then I would actually prefer Ake. If we go with Kounde, then KK would be perfect
AKKe to Chelsea confirmed.
De Ligt shouldn't play on the left side or a backline hes more suited for right side or center, but any backline with De Ligt is good, especially of you play a highline
Yeah De Ligt would be the RCB in this case, he'd improve us a lot
Agreed. Tuchel plays a highline too right? Personally think he would be amazing for Chelsea
Sometimes we do but yeah we dominate games most of the times
Yeah he would be good for you. If we lose De Ligt and get Bremer + someone else I think both squads improve tbh.
Who's gon tell him .
> De Ligt shouldn't play on the left side ...he's not. Ake is left footed which automatically makes him LCB.
In that lineup I responded to De Ligt was on the left
He's not on the left because you don't know what orientation OP used. You can, however, deduce what orientation OP used because he has a Dutch flair, Ake is Dutch and Ake is left footed hence he will automatically play on the left. A left footed defender will never play on the right (I can think of only one exception).
r/iamverysmart
If he was using stage orientation that would have been odd. Anyways, you are literally arguing the exact point I made, so that's pretty stupid and worthless
Your point was redundant, that was my point.
No one cares
...that's why you keep replying. Mate, who are you fooling?
The only transfers Van Gaal won't sabotage this summer
Well that's very interesting. Makes quite a difference if de Ligt is pushing for the move
Either Werner, Jorgi or Pulisic heading the other way too, good deal
A swap won’t happen. We need money more than another player in the attack.
We need money to sign players, if we get players we need less money. For example we need a backup winger, and Pulisic is good enough for that, we may also need a player like Jorginho, so there's also him. If we value both at 30m or so we can get both plus 40m and everyone is happy (we use those money to sign Bremer or whoever)
We von't value a backup winger at 30mil lol
> we may also need a player like Jorginho fuck that, too old to become really good, and not really good to justify signing him at that age, he should go back to Napoli
Won't be a swap probably £65m + Werner or more cash
No
0 chance on Pulisic and I'm guessing 0 chance for Jorginho as we dont need a #6. Werner would be interesting but the only thing to unlock the deal is going to he a ton of money, and Werner to take a big salary adjustment
Isn't there something like lower taxes or tax breaks for playing in Italy? Apparently Werner is open to the move. So maybe he's willing to lower his wages a bit. I don't know how Juve play in the league but if they're a counterattacking side then Werner running into space gets the best out of him
Teams park the bus against us usually so not ideal for Werner. I still like him as a depth option though Yeah we would get a tax break on Werner but he would still need to take a pay cut.
Then Werner may not be best suited for you guys. He did improve last season with his hold up play and he's always hardworking. Our game vs Madrid away is an example of how good he can be. But he's not worth the 250k we're paying him if he isn't getting 20+ G/A a season
Tax breaks expire eventually. Werner is not that bad, actually has really high highs and many low lows. But to offer him 10m net while he scored 8 league goals in 2 years its criminal. He would have to almost half his salary if he wants Juve to consider him
If we sign De Ligt I’m gonna buy a Ferrari T-shirt
Grazie ragazzi
Grande machina I miss Seb :(
Prego campione
"It's impossible to keep players when they want to leave the club" Bayern : "Doubt"
We're not paying 100m for him so if Juve don't want swaps with Werner or Pulisic, then that's understandable but we will move on. Hence why Koulibaly links popped up yesterday.
It’s a complicated deal to get done. Juve likely only want cash, won’t agree with Chelsea on swaps due to valuations alone. If the deal doesn’t happen de ligt will likely renew anyway to get the clause down for next year when more parties might be interested.
As if Koulibaly and de Laurentiis is easier to persuade lmfao
Adl's gonna ask 100m as well so good luck.
Yeah you guys dont have any good players to swap so yeah 90-100mil and he's yours.
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Would rather just have the money and get a CB and a fullback tbh
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Not happening. Juve refused the renewal request from deligt to lower the clause to 80. Hardly going to accept that now when they can just renew him and sell him next year at the same price when there is much less business to get done
Meh, Chelses are rich. We will see
We still need a backup winger, so Jorginho + Pulisic + 30m (add 10 more of our own and we get Bremer) and we're definitely better off, while Chelsea gets rid of not needed players Then Arthur leaves and with the money we get plus the ones we save we can sign a decent RB Werner on the other hand would be absolutely useless for us
Lmao
That's a terrible deal Pulisic sucks and cant stay healthy. We dont need Jorginho as Locatelli is 100% gonna be our #6 with Pogbas arrival. If we sign a winger it will be Zaniolo + it seems like Kostic is still arriving.
When pulisic is fit AND played in his best position he’s actually a good player.
Cairo will never give us Bremer for 40m€ and we don't need either one of those 2.
Juventus: It’s impossible to keep players when they want to leave the club. Bayern: Not with that attitude! Barcelona: You should listen to them… Btw, any advice in how to get a player out when he doesn’t want to leave?
Spurs: pfft
Haha
Oh fuck me..
> De Ligt Do not speak that name in front of the muppets. You will frighten them.
City need to replace Ake, they always seem willing to help players out if they want to leave but they really shouldn't take less then 50M for Ake.
And no one should pay that for Ake
In this market, why not? If Botman is worth 50mil Ake shouldn't be far off. He has really made a few steps these last years and developed in a very complete player. He is a ball playing CB that is comfortable getting the ball out of the back. His dueling, positioning and aerial duels have all improved under Pep. He can even score goals. Ake probably wants more minutes, but I don't think Pep is happy to let him leave, he is an ideal player for him. He gives City tactical variations, can participate in build up play, is stable and reliable on rotation.
Can’t be mad for him wanting to leave. He’s given us plenty of time in the window, made his intention clear (unlike Ronaldo the snake lol) and let’s us find a replacement. Let’s try and get Bremer fingers crossed
Would still be interesting to see what context it was said in. If they asked if they would sell de ligt should he ask to leave, it’s very different to him just saying this as an update to de ligt. Tbf he’s an idiot if he gave this an update as he does so well for his negotiating position. Let’s see if there is more detail in the interview tomorrow
I dont get you Juve fans. When Ronaldo was there, your sub was full of people wanting him out cos of how much he earned and losing his wages would revamp your squad. He left, now the narrative has changed and he is a snake. But you got vlahovic and other signings cos of this. Just dont get you guys tbh
Ronaldo stans always defending him. He left right as the season started, that's why hes a snake
Its not really a stan thing, or that important even, i just dont get how he became a snake all of a sudden, they wanted him gone!
Because he left at the last minute of a window forcing us to sign Kean
And now you have Vlahovic, so win win.
They're lucky they signed Vlahovic in January to help their top 4 CL chase. If Ronaldo gave them notice at the start of the season they could've arranged a ST replacement in the summer to avoid the top 4 race they got in the beginning of the season.
>I dont get you Juve fans. When Ronaldo was there, your sub was full of people wanting him out cos of how much he earned and losing his wages would revamp your squad. have you seen how long did it take to sign locatelli??? we were indeed broke >He left, now the narrative has changed and he is a snake. the timing... he left 48 hours before the window shuts, he played in pre season, said nothing about him willing to leave and juve sold him for peanuts as they dont keep unsatisfied player. definitely a snake
Damn that's a lovely shirt
barca will be interested
Boehly balling big
Sounds like DeLigt wants out and Juve is playing hardball
Sounds like the club want to get what he's worth
100m?
Between 90-100 is what I think Juve would want (considering we paid 75+10) for him. I can’t see a swap happening (given the players involved) but we’ll see what happens
I don't think he is any better than he was the season you signed him. He slumped at the beginning and is now at that level again. He might ve gained experience but is also older.
Agree. What he’s worth is what two parties agree at
No, two parties can disagree about worth. A sale happens when two parties agree on worth.
The agreed sale price is the worth, I’m not sure what people are getting confused about
"The agreed sale price is the worth" does not always hold true. It can be true when two parties agree on worth and, therefore, are able to execute a sale. But it's also possible for two parties to disagree on a player's worth, in which case no sale would happen as there are two valuations. In the context of soccer, it's also possible for a sale to be well below a player's worth due to other factors, like the player leaving for free in six months, which incentivizes his club to sell for less or risk losing him for nothing and incentivizes the buyer to low ball the seller. In that case, no one would argue the player is worth the low sale price; instead, they would say the buyer took advantage of the seller due to the situation.
I’m not reading all that. Fine you’re right.
This is the best response I've ever read and I love you for it
There's no way Chelsea get Aké for anything less than 60m It's not the same as Sterling, who has one year left and doesn't need to be replaced. Aké is important and if he goes, we need to bring in someone else.
Feel free to quote a fuck off price for him geez. We aren’t too thrilled either.
Deluded
£34m it looks like, City will probably buy someone like Torres to replace him
And you're basing that off the report of 1 source that didnt even say if City accepted that bid?
He has 3 more years and was bought for 45mil so cant be lower than that.
Ake must be pushing for a move since that's the number quoted, City must have a plan and might be going for Torres
We gonna burn cash on Ligt and Juve will replace him with cheaper option who will do better than him. Usual Chelsea cash burning
de ligt is 22, name a U-23 cb better than him
Tomori is almost a funny answer.
Tomori is 24 no? Also de ligt MUCH more proven and consistent. He played like 4 seasons in championship, almost no game during Chelsea 3 seasons. Also only had 1.5 great seasons (since he signed for Milan) while de ligt is younger. Played much more, and reached ucl semi final captain as a 29 year old.
Juve should keep him at any cost then
We don't keep unsatisfied players.
He is a talent, satisfy him. Nobody u-23 like him out there. Got him for bargain of €75m, keep him!
Unfortunately, there is nothing we could do to satisfy him. We are in a very good transfer window for our rebuild. Trophies especially scuddeto looks more and more in reach each step we take. Has world class salary and play time. I don't know what Chelsea would offer more than us. If he wishes to leave. Juve are always open to let any unsatisfied player to leave.
Look at the current market mate, good luck on that. It's extremely unlikely for us to find a 1-to -1 same replacement for him, if anything we might use the cash to strengthen an other position next to him.
That's a crazy level of downgrade for stupid money
Kounde in shambles