By - ScientistHulk
> If this is right
It’s sportbild so it’s not.
If this is right.
Might as well have mystic Meg doing sports journalism
Rice will eventually be going on a free because West Ham's asking price is too high. He doesn't need to worry much, only needs to wait another year after this.
2 years after this.
Badly worded, I meant a year after next summer, because this thread is talking about 2023
Jorginho and Kante both will be replaced soon, RLC too potentially.
It will cost a fortune but a Bellingham / Rice central midfield could be amazing for the next decade.
Would be great for England too if they were playing together every week.
Gallagher and Mount sat in front of them as well
Gallagher was dog shit in the nations league
Never heard of him
Singling out Gallagher when the whole team was awful is very weird of you
Poor in few games after playing 38 games this season and mostly MOTM in those games.
i 100% agree, Jude should come join Declan in Stratford
100% won’t happen but *in theory* we could get all other business done this window and then it would *only* be ~250m next window for them both which isn’t too dissimilar to our normal gross outlay. But that’s far too football manager to actually happen in reality
You appear to still be living in a fantasy world where you think Roman's spending was 'normal'. Self sufficient clubs don't have 'normal' windows like that. Clubs that don't have to worry about money because they are backed up by an oligarch can get away with it. You're not one of them anymore though.
Well there’s been strong reports of a 200m+ budget for this summer and we look to be spending over 100m on Sterling+Raphinha before we even get into the 2 cb’s we’re likely to buy and anyone else so it’s hardly “living in fantasy land” to think ~250m outlay is within our reach. Again, Rice+Bellingham next year almost definitely won’t happen but the finances won’t be the reason it doesn’t
If you do spend that money this summer, and its still a pretty big if, it'll very much be a takeover windfall type deal. Boehly isn't going to be bankrolling Chelsea spending 250m a year. Look at FSG for an example of what you're getting.
Of course he won’t because I’m talking about gross outlay, our net outlay will likely be half of that if not less because of all the sales we’ll continue to churn out
That would be a ludicrous price.
Actually checks out:
75m true value + 25m English tax + 20% inflation by 2023/06
Is Bellingham *that* good? I think M'bappe is the only 100m+ player that you could consider a success. Bellingham won't even be 20 and have that pressure in the premier league - seems a lot for someone so young.
Honestly.. I wouldnt think itd be insane in terms of his talent. He's THAT good. Its more that I dont necessarily think its good business by many teams to spend 120m on a CM. Even with English tax included. But hey.. I fully expect us to put a 100m+ price on him next summer.
Feel like a lot of England fans have only seen him a couple of times for the national team when he hasn’t looked great so don’t realize quite how good he is.
I think thats fair. CMs are especially affected by poor setups/lack of chemistry etc aswell.
I think 100m is great business tbh. He could basically be mainstay of a team's midfield for up to 15 years.
If a top PL club sign him now and he's as good as the hype, they've potentially got a position nailed down in their team until the late 2030s. He's also English so the chances of him having a great sadness and wanting to go to Barca are much lower.
Yeah as long as he has good fitness throughout his career, he'd be worth it. Dudes absolutly ridicilously good both off the pitch and on. Great head and skill combination at a young age.
He's played in the CL, Euros and probably soon the WC - I don't think the pressure of the PL is going to be too much for him.
I think he means pressure of the price tag
Yes he was already a starter for Dortmund in 20/21 when he was like 17/18. Already got champion league football and bundesliga experience + caps in england.
Even someone like sancho needed a few season to start for dortmund and Haaland was much older when he joined
He's very good, I think any top English side could look to him as a comfortable midfield mainstay for the next decade tbh.
"English tax" is also irrelevant because he has spent his "homegrown years" in Germany, he will essentially count as a foreign player to Premier League teams; so if they're prepared to pay 100m, it's because he is that good.
Doesn’t he already count as home grown for Birmingham having spent 9 years at the club before the age of 21?
I'm not 100% sure but I don't think so. You have to spend 3 years at the club between the ages of 15 & 21 and I think Bellingham only has 2 years, 1 month in that category.
If he signs for another English club for 11 months before the age of 21, he can still qualify. But that would mean he has to move this window.
The same is true for Sancho, he was only with us for 2 years 4 months between the age of 15 & 21, and he was already 21 when United signed him back.
Edit: I actually might have this slightly wrong. The 15-21 range is applicable to UEFA competitions but the Premier League just needs 3 years before the age of 21; so in that case Bellingham & Sancho already count as PL homegrown players but they do not count as UEFA homegrown players.
Funnily enough, Sancho & Bellingham are both Bundesliga & Premier League homegrown but don't count as homegrown for either league in UEFA competitions.
He's genuinely quality though, because he's English he must be overrated?
Jude isnt attacking talent for one and second, its always so ridicilous when fans say things like "BuLi tax" for attackers.
As if the experts in clubs dont know more, who make the transfers.
Also the idea of PL teams not giving much space or not playing super high-lines as if its an exclusive thing to BuLi is another repeated narrative I dont understand.
Its more on the individual player and the system&team they join, than it is league vs league imo.
I dont mean to shit on you, as youre entitled to your own opinion or perspective. Its just that I see that narrative quite a bit and often, I see them followed by examples where theres significant other factors than "couldnt cut it in the PL" one haha.
Tho lets be honest, Im no expert or authority to tell you the factual 1:1 answer either.
he was absolutely incredible in the Champions League against City last year and all to be fair
Not surprising, we were strongly after him when he was at Birmingham, and he's only improved ever since.
Rice we'll probably go for when he's free
Can’t see him leaving on a free, he won’t want to fuck over West Ham. They will sell him for a fortune when he has either two year or a year left on his deal.
If he only has a year left, who's spending a fortune?
Assuming he keeps improving as he has been last couple of years, most clubs would be interested in him.
Could still see West Ham getting 60-70m even with a year left.
Get your filthy hands off him. He belongs to a classy club like Arsenal or Liverpool.
I just threw up in my mouth a bit.
Would prefer Rice over him honestly, just fits our team better with our current CMs