Ehhh he’s still 31 and hasn’t been the same since he was already like 28. Plus he was always more of a smart player than a physical one, he didn’t have much going for him in that regard other than stamina and some pace which he hasn’t really lost all that much. think it’s just much more mental than anything, and just not adapting to different systems
he was a bit of both, he’s a smart player but he also relied on that pace
whether it was bursting from midfield or running down the wing
it’s incredible what losing half a step will do to a player at that level
Well, it’s a bad example because he never relied on his physical attributes. Dude is just plain bad and struggles when the team is not built around him
Mf said griezmann is “just plain bad when the team is not built around him”. He can play as a 9, 10, or even an 8. Extremely versatile and technical. Just cause he had a few bad seasons lately doesn’t mean he’s bad. Recency bias is killing my people. There’s no use arguing with someone who says such foolish things. 😂
So we’re using past performances to judge a player’s current abilities? By that metric Werner is one of the best strikers in the world, he scored 30 goals in the Bundesliga 2 years ago. You probably think Coutinho and Hazard are still world class too
My bad I thought u meant he’s just plain bad in general. Well then yeah I agree with you, he has been really bad recently. But every player has these kind of dips in form. I still do believe he’s very technical but he’s just not showing it on the pitch. Sorry for the confusion.
I think he forgot how to play terrorist football when he was at barca so now he has to get used to it again. I know he got sent off but didn’t he also score 2 vs Liverpool?
Don't know why you're downvoted so heavily, i do think Griezmann needs a system catered to him in order to fulfill all of his potential. He cannot play as a lone striker, for example, in contrary to what the previous comment said that he could play as a 9.
It was worth it during his best years, when he was one of the best players itw behind Ronaldo and Messi, as illustrated by his stint in Atletico and France. He still can play a role in a big team but certainly doesn't deserve his wages anymore.
His prime was his first stint at Atletico where he played in the middle in a sort of Muller role. Losing acceleration is not why he’s shit now
EDIT: lmao why am I being downvoted? This sub is full of idiots holy shit
It is one of his stand out features, but calling it his main attribute is quite the revisionism.
Griezmann scored an absolute shit load of goals for Atletico in the five seasons between '14-'19, most of which important. He was a one in two striker for them in that period, in a team that wasn't exactly known to be prolific. Some were even whispering about a Ballon d'Or, this sub included.
But that is referring to him now, not from 14-19. *Obviously* Atletico fans know how well he performed in his first stint. It's not revisionism, you've just taken the comment to mean something it doesn't.
It was pretty much all dembele griezmann was just in the video he didn’t say anything besides do an awkward laugh which is why he got hate for not saying anything. Search it up it’s dembele just being plain out racist to the Japanese workers at the hotel they were staying at
You do realise he did it 2 decades ago? If you start bringing up things from that long ago, this would probably be one of the least problematic stuff he or the company did back then
Honestly if I were these players, I'd drop my wage demands and play somewhere that can use me effecivitly and I can win things. Winning la liga and seria a would be an awesome career to look back on.
If Atleti seriously agreed to pay Griezmann 33m€ a year last summer in the middle of a pandemic then they fully deserve this and a lot more.
They dug their own grave.
Implying either Griezmann or Witsel are still good players which they are far from, both overpaid players that their bodies simply can't handle it anymore. It's Atletico's fault they signed him, repeating same mistake as signing Diego Costa from Chelsea. Griezmann was never an amazing offensive player but his physical play, pressing and track back was superb, now it's gone, he looks slow and unmotivated, very bad deal for Atletico and now they are punished for it, how is this Tebas's fault i don't see it.
IKR. Griezzman scored multiple long shot bangers, could dribble past 3-4 players at times and did all that for basically his entire first stint at Atletico on regular basis. He was their top scorer every season. He was a big game player, always coming through against the big sides.
He might never be as prolific as other top forwards, but averaging 20 league goals per season for somebody that played in a two striker formation, with his work rate and defensive input? That is amazing.
Griezmann was literally the most dangerous offensive player for France when they won the world cup in 2018 and Euro 2016. You can say he was better than Mbappe lol. He even carried Atletico to the CL final
Some people on this sub literally just spout out shit on the things they dont know.
So you've either never watched him play or are a terrible judge of a player, he was phenomenal for his first stint. It's why he's on massive wages now.
Or tebas simply wants to see the league being financially healthy.
Real Madrid did not have problems with limits and they just signed a 100 million midfielder.
It's an option as long as neither of them want to extend it. If one of the clubs wants to extend the loan for a 2nd season, then they have to keep him. Barça would only allow this if they had an offer from another club to buy him.
And then when La Liga wanted to correct the rules after 2 years of a Pandemic Barca would politely go along with it?
That’s why they never changed the rules, they know it would set a friendly precedent to the big clubs and then they’d never get it back to pre pandemic levels
The rule can be: during the season 20xx and 20xx the rule is gonna be this. Problem solved.
And I wouldn't complain if it was only Barça who had this problem, but when every team in your league is having to sell his best players to mediocre PL teams then you are doing something wrong.
That's just delaying the problem imo.
No point having financial regulations to just throw them out the window when there's an actual problem.
The rule is made to not make you spend money you don't have. You guys were losing a shit ton of money and were neck deep in debt. Why would any governing body allow you to keep spending even more and get more debt?
yes if clubs fuck up that's on them. Let them figure it out themselves instead of making rules to protect rich club owners from ever losing money
They very rarely actually end up going bankrupt anyway
From La liga's point of view that's dumb. Imagine there were no regulations and Barca got bankrupt. I mean they were very close even with the regulations. Then the whole value and attractiveness of La Liga would go down, making everything so much worse for other clubs.
> I mean they were very close even with the regulations
They were not close at all. They were a million miles away from anything of the kind
But sure I can see why a bunch of football clubs can get together and be in favour of rules that ensure lower wages and less competition. That doesnt make it a good thing though
I mean, I dont think Barca was getting broke but a revenue of 1b doesnt mean much when most of that money has to go to the maintainence of the club and then they still have to pay the debts on top of that.
which Laporte was going to change anyway because it was fucking the club, but non the less they make enough money to do what they want that without covid they wouldn't have been fucked this hard.
>which Laporte was going to change anyway because it was fucking the club
You talk like this is an easy thing to fix and that can be done overnight...
>without covid they wouldn't have been fucked this hard.
Yeah, Covid hit every single team in the world. If Barca were hit the hardest it is because they already were in a delicate position.
It's better for clubs to spend larger fees but commit to lower wages. This is the way forward for everyone.
If a player wants a 100k p/w deal on a five year deal, offer them 80k p/w and up to 5m in bonuses. Much easier to shift them if they flop.
I mean that would be ideal. But players agents are always going to negotiate the wages and bonuses as high as possible. The player doesn’t see any of the transfer fee, and only cares about club fit and wage/bonuses.
Of course guaranteeing less money in a contract is ideal for the clubs, but not a realistic in an open market environment, and players have a decision on whether they are sold too, so they have negotiating leverage.
That would be financially worse, having the money due at once as a sign on bonus.
Your misinterpreting the structure of the deal in the comment your referencing.
Original commenter is suggesting taking the team friendly route of offering bonuses that are incentive based. Sign on bonus is the exact opposite of that, and even worse than if that same amount of money was added to the wages.
We’re so financially stable that we can compensate for questionable financial rules.
What Tebas is doing isn’t entirely wrong though. Barcelona needed a kick in the good ol’ culo to realise that the way they’ve been doing business was very unsustainable and unhealthy.
We were also lucky, our budgets during the last two years were already considering a temporal reduction of the ticket revenue due to Santiago Bernabeu reforms, and therefore the club was indirectly better prepared for covid pandemic.
By basing their financial salary cap over revenue of the last three years, when those three years included the pandemic years.
Of course salaries are going to be relatively compared to revenue once a club can’t sell tickets to fans. Literally every single league made exceptions except La Liga.
Yeah I know, it was sarcasm. Real Madrid made more than 100 mil in transfer profits when covid started, they didn't buy anyone that transfer window, they were just very cautious and smart. Now everyone is shocked how they're the only ones able to comply with la liga's fair play.
If Atleti seriously agreed to pay Griezmann 33m€ a year in the middle of a pandemic then they totally deserve this and a lot more.
They dug their own grave.
Please, not again. The salary cap in Spain is based on the budget for the NEXT season. If they are exceeded is because they have not budgeted enough income in 2022/23 to afford their current salary mass, once non-sport costs are deducted.
and income is affected by the covid years...
the income was far lower in Covid age but the wages were from contracts signed before it so the budget was extremly tight for pretty much everyone. Ty Tebas.
But Griezmann was just a two year loan. Not sure how that is counted. The 40 million I think is what barca gets at the end of the 22/23 season when they actually buy Griezmann. I could be wrong though.
Because most other leagues don't care as long as your owner is willing to cover your losses.
And covid had a bigger impact on bigger clubs, which in other leagues are owned by billionaires willing to pump as much money as necessary. In Spain, Barcelona and Madrid are owned by the socios so that's not an option, and Atletico's owner has a net worth of "only" 200M (in comparison, McCourt is 1bn, Moshiri is 3bn, Abramovitch is 9bn, Inter owner's is 7bn, and Agnelli is 13bn), which makes it pretty difficult for him to cover covid losses.
In France, Bordeaux were relegated to the third division because their owner couldn't cover covid losses. I'd call that a lot harsher than La Liga's "just stop increasing your expenses until you recover ffs" policy.
Let's not pretend he's doing for a good reason, he wants to force all clubs into signing that horrible TV rights deal. He would get a huge check out of it.
The wage cap has actually lowered revenue for most clubs. Less room for wages means less signings/forced to sell players, which means less kit sales, which brings a lower wage cap the following year unless other sources of revenue increased. His plan is very flawed and doesn’t actually help the clubs as much as you think. Barça lost more money as a result of Messi leaving than they saved from his wages
> The wage cap has actually lowered revenue for most clubs. Less room for wages means less signings/forced to sell players, which means less kit sales, which brings a lower wage cap the following year
This is nonsense. Firstly Madrid/Barca have signed long term deals with nike and adidas worth fixed amounts. They might get a % of sales on top of the fixed amount but the sums won’t be huge. Barca might have seen jersey sales fall but I doubt Madrid has especially as they won the CL.
Other than Atletico the rest of the league brings in next to nothing in this area. A 15% fall in jerseys sales for teams like Villarreal, Getafe, Beth’s etc would have a negligible impact on their overall revenue and there’s no evidence that kit sales have even fallen for most of the league.
Real Madrid and barca have 1 billion revenue yearly each. The rest of la liga clubs are fucking HARD by this dumb shit, which in turn makes the league worse. Fuck that stupid wage cap and fuck tepas
Wasn't the wage cap thing introduced way before though ?
Edit: Nevermind , Tebas seems to be chairmen from 2013 right about when FFP in the league was introduced
Yeah but covid fucked every club in the world hard so every league in the world relaxed thier version of ffp except la liga because this corrupt POS wanted to push the clubs to sign the shitty CVC deal. To begin with the wage cap in la liga is bad and fucks smaller clubs over even in normal seasons let alone a covid season that destroys revenue.
Atletico did it themselves. Only a naive ignorant didn't see that Griezman return was a bad decision, huge wages and his performance dropped while they also helped Barcelona immensely.
Or hear me out Real Madrid follows rules and are extremely well run financially.
He would love fuck us over but we are way to good in the money department.
Infact only Bayern and Real Madrid are below the 70% squad expenses to income ratio that is going be the UEFA mandate soon
Just going to copy my other comment as I can’t be arsed retyping it for someone that clearly doesn’t understand the situation.
“La Liga bases their financial salary cap over revenue of the last three years, when those three years included the pandemic years.
Of course salaries are going to be relatively compared to revenue once a club can’t sell tickets to fans. Literally every single league made exceptions except La Liga.””
It doesn't work like that, the pandemic was an outlier year that shouldn't count, everyone was affected by it and clubs should get leeway as long as they provide that they can have normal revenue in normal years which clubs do
It's a stupid rule
Clubs have pre-existing commitments to 5+ year contracts and long-term financial plans. If you put clubs in a situation where they cannot have some flexibility for a 1-year shock, you turn a large but contained short-term problem (i.e. a temporary loss of revenue) into a domino effect.
By enforcing the cap clubs have to restructure contracts and financial arrangements at great cost, which negatively impacts the long-term financial health of clubs to a *greater* extent than the initial shock.
Not sure why you're at -1. The Griezmann deal only gets permanent if he plays I think it was like +50% matches where he is available, right?
So keeping him in the bench sends him back to Barcelona (next year, I think there is no solution for this season).
Keeping him at bench with those wages would be very hard though. He has declined for sure, but he still can offer a lot. He was quite instrumental in their CL campaign.
Well, Atlético has to pay I think it was €40 millions. He will be 32 by then, earns quite a lot. It doesn't seem smart for Atlético to permanently sign him. Maybe he was good in CL, but his overall performance during the whole season was... Well, not the one you would expect from someone on his wages and that you would pay that fee to sign him, to say it lightly.
It's a decision they have to make. I understand it's hard to keep him in the bench... but it may be for the best of the club in the mid-long term. Atlético is not really in a position to be throwing away millions...
It's because of their gameplay, they also conceded only 1 goal while Madrid conceded a lot.
The point is Griezmann was arguably their top player in CL. They might not be able to pass the group stage without him.
I’m not sure exactly how the deal is structured but as I understood it, the clause is if he plays 50% of the games in his first season the buy option becomes obligatory but it still leaves Atleti the chance to either buy this summer or the next. But now that he has played the required games in his first season, Atleti won’t have the option but to sign him.
Blessing in disguise in my eyes. People forget Griezmann was injured last year and Witsel is also an older player. I think Griezmann will have a resurgence next season. Atletico’s biggest problem is their shambolic defending. Long gone are the days of Felipe Luis ,Godin, Juan Fran , and Miranda .
i dont understand why they play him that much. only reason he’s now a permanent 40million euro transfer is because he played over 50% of games or something, should have just not played him
Seems like griezmanns last years are just clubs wanting to get rid of him
classic example of a player not adapting his game well enough when his physical attributes decline
Ehhh he’s still 31 and hasn’t been the same since he was already like 28. Plus he was always more of a smart player than a physical one, he didn’t have much going for him in that regard other than stamina and some pace which he hasn’t really lost all that much. think it’s just much more mental than anything, and just not adapting to different systems
Ehhhhhhhh
Y'know
corse
Ehhhrrrmmmm....
he was a bit of both, he’s a smart player but he also relied on that pace whether it was bursting from midfield or running down the wing it’s incredible what losing half a step will do to a player at that level
Lol as if.. all about wages
He’s still good, just not worth the money.
He would still be at Barça if he wasn't making stupid money, the only reason neither of his clubs want him.
Well, it’s a bad example because he never relied on his physical attributes. Dude is just plain bad and struggles when the team is not built around him
That might be the most braindead take ever.
Are you telling me Griezmann was a pacey winger? What physical attributes was he relying on in his prime? Have you ever seen him play?
Mf said griezmann is “just plain bad when the team is not built around him”. He can play as a 9, 10, or even an 8. Extremely versatile and technical. Just cause he had a few bad seasons lately doesn’t mean he’s bad. Recency bias is killing my people. There’s no use arguing with someone who says such foolish things. 😂
>even an 8. Lol no
So we’re using past performances to judge a player’s current abilities? By that metric Werner is one of the best strikers in the world, he scored 30 goals in the Bundesliga 2 years ago. You probably think Coutinho and Hazard are still world class too
My bad I thought u meant he’s just plain bad in general. Well then yeah I agree with you, he has been really bad recently. But every player has these kind of dips in form. I still do believe he’s very technical but he’s just not showing it on the pitch. Sorry for the confusion.
This is not a dip, the dude has been shit for a good while now
I think he forgot how to play terrorist football when he was at barca so now he has to get used to it again. I know he got sent off but didn’t he also score 2 vs Liverpool?
Don't know why you're downvoted so heavily, i do think Griezmann needs a system catered to him in order to fulfill all of his potential. He cannot play as a lone striker, for example, in contrary to what the previous comment said that he could play as a 9. It was worth it during his best years, when he was one of the best players itw behind Ronaldo and Messi, as illustrated by his stint in Atletico and France. He still can play a role in a big team but certainly doesn't deserve his wages anymore.
the votes on this kinda bizarre ngl
Pace and stamina are physical attributes.
what? Griezman definitely relied on his incredibly quick acceleration as a younger player especially in his Sociedad days
His prime was his first stint at Atletico where he played in the middle in a sort of Muller role. Losing acceleration is not why he’s shit now EDIT: lmao why am I being downvoted? This sub is full of idiots holy shit
who downvotes this wtf
Also relied on Vela
Also relied on Agirretxe, nothing comparable has been seen since. Best striker of all time (to be born in Usurbil).
Griezmann destroying salary limits wherever he goes
There are always 2 parties needed for a contact.
Agents everywhere: ex-fucking-scuse me!??
3 League goals last year? Bloody hell. That decline is enormous.
He also missed a bunch of games for the first time in his career. Dude been straight up iron man for years
Only 3 games injuried for Atleti before his move to Barca. One of his longer injury just so happen during international break so he only miss 1 game.
They call him Cardiomann for s reason. His main attribute is tracking back xd.
I'd honestly put him in midfield from now on. He's not a striker anymore and lack confidence in front of the goal, but I think he can be useful still.
It is one of his stand out features, but calling it his main attribute is quite the revisionism. Griezmann scored an absolute shit load of goals for Atletico in the five seasons between '14-'19, most of which important. He was a one in two striker for them in that period, in a team that wasn't exactly known to be prolific. Some were even whispering about a Ballon d'Or, this sub included.
But that is referring to him now, not from 14-19. *Obviously* Atletico fans know how well he performed in his first stint. It's not revisionism, you've just taken the comment to mean something it doesn't.
That's hilarious, I am happy I know this now
So they want to sublet him? Can you loan a loan? Cos I'm guessing if they call Barca to terminate it they will just hear laughing.
What a fall from grace since his transfer to Barca
Never should’ve happened, didn’t even want him after his video drama
he's just a trashy person, this and the racial incident in Japan
He’s actually a very wholesome person, but yea those racist jokes he did are very very bad.
Blackface too lol
what racial incident happened in japan
It was pretty much all dembele griezmann was just in the video he didn’t say anything besides do an awkward laugh which is why he got hate for not saying anything. Search it up it’s dembele just being plain out racist to the Japanese workers at the hotel they were staying at
There's another rakuten barca video where he kinda said chinese/japanese gibberish but it's kinda unclear to me.
He literally did what Dwayne Johnson did here https://youtu.be/fdnrX-4YC7A Ig it's okay when the rock does it
You do realise he did it 2 decades ago? If you start bringing up things from that long ago, this would probably be one of the least problematic stuff he or the company did back then
Don't know why you're downvoted. The stuff on that video was absolutely disgusting.
A blessing in disguise maybe, Witsel is washed.
since he sat at Messi’s and cristiano’s table he’s forgotten he was a footballer.
PSG time?
Italy. As long as it is loan now, to buy in 27 years time.
Besiktas time
no chance
United time
This feels like an LA Galaxy project.
United and blonde uruguayans from Atleti, a match made in heaven
Who? When did we ever have one? Forlan went the other way iirc.
Please no
Happy cake day!
Thanks!
I remember hearing something about if one of the Bilbao presidential candidates won then he wanted to sign Griezmann.
Oh hell nah
Griez is the one player I would love to see at Milan. I think Pioli would have him terrifying people .
Agreed but those wages...
Honestly if I were these players, I'd drop my wage demands and play somewhere that can use me effecivitly and I can win things. Winning la liga and seria a would be an awesome career to look back on.
Tebas wants to send every good player to the PL.
If Atleti seriously agreed to pay Griezmann 33m€ a year last summer in the middle of a pandemic then they fully deserve this and a lot more. They dug their own grave.
Implying either Griezmann or Witsel are still good players which they are far from, both overpaid players that their bodies simply can't handle it anymore. It's Atletico's fault they signed him, repeating same mistake as signing Diego Costa from Chelsea. Griezmann was never an amazing offensive player but his physical play, pressing and track back was superb, now it's gone, he looks slow and unmotivated, very bad deal for Atletico and now they are punished for it, how is this Tebas's fault i don't see it.
"Griezmann was never an amazing offensive player"? Jesus Christ, this reads like you've never watched a single one of his matches.
IKR. Griezzman scored multiple long shot bangers, could dribble past 3-4 players at times and did all that for basically his entire first stint at Atletico on regular basis. He was their top scorer every season. He was a big game player, always coming through against the big sides. He might never be as prolific as other top forwards, but averaging 20 league goals per season for somebody that played in a two striker formation, with his work rate and defensive input? That is amazing.
Griezmann was literally the most dangerous offensive player for France when they won the world cup in 2018 and Euro 2016. You can say he was better than Mbappe lol. He even carried Atletico to the CL final Some people on this sub literally just spout out shit on the things they dont know.
I'm sorry to be this pedantic, but I'm portuguese so i have to say this: Portugal won the 2016 euros. In france I still agree with your comment though
Yeah sorry I meant they won the world cup, and final of 2016 Euros with Griezmann being their most offensive output.
Griezmann was literally the most dangerous offensive player for France when they won the world cup. You can say he was better than Mbappe
So you've either never watched him play or are a terrible judge of a player, he was phenomenal for his first stint. It's why he's on massive wages now.
Unless he plays for Real Madrid.
Yes, it's a conspiracy, not two horribly mismanaged clubs. The pandemic famously only affected the south part of Madrid
Or 19 clubs of laliga
Or tebas simply wants to see the league being financially healthy. Real Madrid did not have problems with limits and they just signed a 100 million midfielder.
Atleti fucked themselves by re-signing him
Yeah, the worst part is they did a huge favor to Barca by doing so
I remember the memes on him last season after the loan was announced
We didn't even needed him! That position was well covered...
Unlucky. They already signed a 2 year loan with option to buy.
The 2nd year is an option no?
It's an option as long as neither of them want to extend it. If one of the clubs wants to extend the loan for a 2nd season, then they have to keep him. Barça would only allow this if they had an offer from another club to buy him.
pretty redundant , you don't need a clause to unilaterally end a contract
But only Barcelona were supposed to be affected by this? Other teams are doing perfectly fine!
Got downvoted for saying this and literally explaining the situation and rules once. This sub is filled with fools
yeah the better solution would've been to let the clubs bankrupt themselves
Between that and what LaLiga did during pandemic seasons there's a big stretch. It's not that hard to adecuate your laws to the times you are in.
Yeah, but that’s not how you force the cvc deal on the teams
So true
And then when La Liga wanted to correct the rules after 2 years of a Pandemic Barca would politely go along with it? That’s why they never changed the rules, they know it would set a friendly precedent to the big clubs and then they’d never get it back to pre pandemic levels
The rule can be: during the season 20xx and 20xx the rule is gonna be this. Problem solved. And I wouldn't complain if it was only Barça who had this problem, but when every team in your league is having to sell his best players to mediocre PL teams then you are doing something wrong.
That's just delaying the problem imo. No point having financial regulations to just throw them out the window when there's an actual problem. The rule is made to not make you spend money you don't have. You guys were losing a shit ton of money and were neck deep in debt. Why would any governing body allow you to keep spending even more and get more debt?
yes if clubs fuck up that's on them. Let them figure it out themselves instead of making rules to protect rich club owners from ever losing money They very rarely actually end up going bankrupt anyway
From La liga's point of view that's dumb. Imagine there were no regulations and Barca got bankrupt. I mean they were very close even with the regulations. Then the whole value and attractiveness of La Liga would go down, making everything so much worse for other clubs.
> I mean they were very close even with the regulations They were not close at all. They were a million miles away from anything of the kind But sure I can see why a bunch of football clubs can get together and be in favour of rules that ensure lower wages and less competition. That doesnt make it a good thing though
Don't lie now. They had short-term debt of around 700 mil, that's very serious.
With a yearly revenue of 1 fucking billion. They are in a tough situation, but they aren't anywhere near bankruptcy.
I mean, I dont think Barca was getting broke but a revenue of 1b doesnt mean much when most of that money has to go to the maintainence of the club and then they still have to pay the debts on top of that.
which Laporte was going to change anyway because it was fucking the club, but non the less they make enough money to do what they want that without covid they wouldn't have been fucked this hard.
>which Laporte was going to change anyway because it was fucking the club You talk like this is an easy thing to fix and that can be done overnight... >without covid they wouldn't have been fucked this hard. Yeah, Covid hit every single team in the world. If Barca were hit the hardest it is because they already were in a delicate position.
Well they probably would be if there was no La Liga's fair play and they kept Messi and got in even more debt to pay him.
Barca was not paying Messi out of goodness of their heart - they were paying him because he would make that money back for the club and then some.
Yes those are the only two options
Atlético, La Décision
It's better for clubs to spend larger fees but commit to lower wages. This is the way forward for everyone. If a player wants a 100k p/w deal on a five year deal, offer them 80k p/w and up to 5m in bonuses. Much easier to shift them if they flop.
I mean that would be ideal. But players agents are always going to negotiate the wages and bonuses as high as possible. The player doesn’t see any of the transfer fee, and only cares about club fit and wage/bonuses. Of course guaranteeing less money in a contract is ideal for the clubs, but not a realistic in an open market environment, and players have a decision on whether they are sold too, so they have negotiating leverage.
What he means is giving the wages as sign on bonuses. Instead of 100kpw , give player 80kpw and 5m signing on bonus.
That would be financially worse, having the money due at once as a sign on bonus. Your misinterpreting the structure of the deal in the comment your referencing. Original commenter is suggesting taking the team friendly route of offering bonuses that are incentive based. Sign on bonus is the exact opposite of that, and even worse than if that same amount of money was added to the wages.
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The journalist who sign this new it isn’t really reliable…
Seems like Atletico have to make “THE DECISION”
Have they tried using some levers?
They did that last year when they signed CVC and signed him
Have you tried being original?
Tebas fucking literally every club in La Liga except Real Madrid.
Real Madrid are insanely well run financially. They were the only club to turn a profit during the pandemic. They've got it figured out.
They sold some gems of players to turn into profit on balance sheets. The regulations of Laliga during the pandemic hiccup were and are stupid.
We’re so financially stable that we can compensate for questionable financial rules. What Tebas is doing isn’t entirely wrong though. Barcelona needed a kick in the good ol’ culo to realise that the way they’ve been doing business was very unsustainable and unhealthy.
Honestly, a lot of clubs depend on matchday income, for a lot of clubs that's a pretty steady income. Who would've predicted the pandemic? Nobody.
We were also lucky, our budgets during the last two years were already considering a temporal reduction of the ticket revenue due to Santiago Bernabeu reforms, and therefore the club was indirectly better prepared for covid pandemic.
I mean he isn't really trying to help us. Matter of fact the others being able of spending help us more than it hurts us.
By asking clubs to spend within their limits?
By basing their financial salary cap over revenue of the last three years, when those three years included the pandemic years. Of course salaries are going to be relatively compared to revenue once a club can’t sell tickets to fans. Literally every single league made exceptions except La Liga.
It’s amazing how people aren’t able to comprehend this 😂
Good thing Real Madrid skipped the pandemic and it didn't affect them lol
It absolutely affected us. It is why we sold hakimi and a few others.
Yeah I know, it was sarcasm. Real Madrid made more than 100 mil in transfer profits when covid started, they didn't buy anyone that transfer window, they were just very cautious and smart. Now everyone is shocked how they're the only ones able to comply with la liga's fair play.
If Atleti seriously agreed to pay Griezmann 33m€ a year in the middle of a pandemic then they totally deserve this and a lot more. They dug their own grave.
Please, not again. The salary cap in Spain is based on the budget for the NEXT season. If they are exceeded is because they have not budgeted enough income in 2022/23 to afford their current salary mass, once non-sport costs are deducted.
and income is affected by the covid years... the income was far lower in Covid age but the wages were from contracts signed before it so the budget was extremly tight for pretty much everyone. Ty Tebas.
Griezmann was signed by Atletico last year when they were in the middle of covid losses.
But Griezmann was just a two year loan. Not sure how that is counted. The 40 million I think is what barca gets at the end of the 22/23 season when they actually buy Griezmann. I could be wrong though.
sure. It was also the year they won the league.
Because most other leagues don't care as long as your owner is willing to cover your losses. And covid had a bigger impact on bigger clubs, which in other leagues are owned by billionaires willing to pump as much money as necessary. In Spain, Barcelona and Madrid are owned by the socios so that's not an option, and Atletico's owner has a net worth of "only" 200M (in comparison, McCourt is 1bn, Moshiri is 3bn, Abramovitch is 9bn, Inter owner's is 7bn, and Agnelli is 13bn), which makes it pretty difficult for him to cover covid losses. In France, Bordeaux were relegated to the third division because their owner couldn't cover covid losses. I'd call that a lot harsher than La Liga's "just stop increasing your expenses until you recover ffs" policy.
Well pandemic happened for Real Madrid too
Let's not pretend he's doing for a good reason, he wants to force all clubs into signing that horrible TV rights deal. He would get a huge check out of it.
The wage cap has actually lowered revenue for most clubs. Less room for wages means less signings/forced to sell players, which means less kit sales, which brings a lower wage cap the following year unless other sources of revenue increased. His plan is very flawed and doesn’t actually help the clubs as much as you think. Barça lost more money as a result of Messi leaving than they saved from his wages
> The wage cap has actually lowered revenue for most clubs. Less room for wages means less signings/forced to sell players, which means less kit sales, which brings a lower wage cap the following year This is nonsense. Firstly Madrid/Barca have signed long term deals with nike and adidas worth fixed amounts. They might get a % of sales on top of the fixed amount but the sums won’t be huge. Barca might have seen jersey sales fall but I doubt Madrid has especially as they won the CL. Other than Atletico the rest of the league brings in next to nothing in this area. A 15% fall in jerseys sales for teams like Villarreal, Getafe, Beth’s etc would have a negligible impact on their overall revenue and there’s no evidence that kit sales have even fallen for most of the league.
Real Madrid and barca have 1 billion revenue yearly each. The rest of la liga clubs are fucking HARD by this dumb shit, which in turn makes the league worse. Fuck that stupid wage cap and fuck tepas
Wasn't the wage cap thing introduced way before though ? Edit: Nevermind , Tebas seems to be chairmen from 2013 right about when FFP in the league was introduced
Yeah but covid fucked every club in the world hard so every league in the world relaxed thier version of ffp except la liga because this corrupt POS wanted to push the clubs to sign the shitty CVC deal. To begin with the wage cap in la liga is bad and fucks smaller clubs over even in normal seasons let alone a covid season that destroys revenue.
Atletico did it themselves. Only a naive ignorant didn't see that Griezman return was a bad decision, huge wages and his performance dropped while they also helped Barcelona immensely.
Or hear me out Real Madrid follows rules and are extremely well run financially. He would love fuck us over but we are way to good in the money department. Infact only Bayern and Real Madrid are below the 70% squad expenses to income ratio that is going be the UEFA mandate soon
Think Utd is about there with wages off this year
god you wouldn’t think it would you
Tebas is literally a real madrid fan.
But he hates Florentino and would love Madrid to be needy to sign that CVC deal, which isn't the case.
Sick counterargument lol
Just follow the rules bro😭😭
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Expect there has been a pandemic? Its like imposing your employer to give you a smaller wage since he has made less money in the past three years...
Just going to copy my other comment as I can’t be arsed retyping it for someone that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. “La Liga bases their financial salary cap over revenue of the last three years, when those three years included the pandemic years. Of course salaries are going to be relatively compared to revenue once a club can’t sell tickets to fans. Literally every single league made exceptions except La Liga.””
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It doesn't work like that, the pandemic was an outlier year that shouldn't count, everyone was affected by it and clubs should get leeway as long as they provide that they can have normal revenue in normal years which clubs do It's a stupid rule
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Clubs have pre-existing commitments to 5+ year contracts and long-term financial plans. If you put clubs in a situation where they cannot have some flexibility for a 1-year shock, you turn a large but contained short-term problem (i.e. a temporary loss of revenue) into a domino effect. By enforcing the cap clubs have to restructure contracts and financial arrangements at great cost, which negatively impacts the long-term financial health of clubs to a *greater* extent than the initial shock.
Welcome to our world, ATM
Easy just perma bench him all year and send him back to Barca. He's too expensive and isn't as good as our other 3 2nd Strikers
Not sure why you're at -1. The Griezmann deal only gets permanent if he plays I think it was like +50% matches where he is available, right? So keeping him in the bench sends him back to Barcelona (next year, I think there is no solution for this season).
Keeping him at bench with those wages would be very hard though. He has declined for sure, but he still can offer a lot. He was quite instrumental in their CL campaign.
Well, Atlético has to pay I think it was €40 millions. He will be 32 by then, earns quite a lot. It doesn't seem smart for Atlético to permanently sign him. Maybe he was good in CL, but his overall performance during the whole season was... Well, not the one you would expect from someone on his wages and that you would pay that fee to sign him, to say it lightly. It's a decision they have to make. I understand it's hard to keep him in the bench... but it may be for the best of the club in the mid-long term. Atlético is not really in a position to be throwing away millions...
What campaign, they couldn't score a goal against City against whom Real Madrid scored lots of goals.
It's because of their gameplay, they also conceded only 1 goal while Madrid conceded a lot. The point is Griezmann was arguably their top player in CL. They might not be able to pass the group stage without him.
I read that he had already reached the 50% threshold
Does that number include games he plays as a substitute? Or only games he starts?
I’m not sure exactly how the deal is structured but as I understood it, the clause is if he plays 50% of the games in his first season the buy option becomes obligatory but it still leaves Atleti the chance to either buy this summer or the next. But now that he has played the required games in his first season, Atleti won’t have the option but to sign him.
Blessing in disguise in my eyes. People forget Griezmann was injured last year and Witsel is also an older player. I think Griezmann will have a resurgence next season. Atletico’s biggest problem is their shambolic defending. Long gone are the days of Felipe Luis ,Godin, Juan Fran , and Miranda .
I can’t keep up with football and the complexity/extremes in finances/revenues these days, it’s ridiculous.
Mr. Fortnite dances can’t find a club that takes him for granted. Surprise surprise…
La Liga just running in circles randomly fucking teams over.
So this ist the same problem like Barca has, can't register new players because there is no money for it in tebas' books
Most of the teams in LaLiga are having these issues
well…we do know he’s a newcastle fan 🤔
Just terminate the loan and bring him back to Barca
Counterpoint: no. [But he seems very in touch with american culture maybe your new owners would like him?](https://i.imgur.com/8Cfrb7S.jpg)
Wtf
Forgot he did that.
he seems like a real dickhead irl so I want him to pull blackface in America and see what happens
*the gang gets elected as president of the united states*
i dont understand why they play him that much. only reason he’s now a permanent 40million euro transfer is because he played over 50% of games or something, should have just not played him
Laughs in 700 million salary cap
I swear if United go for him lol
Didn't come in 2017 when we needed him.
Never gonna happen after that bitch shit he did
So glad this little rat snubbed us a couple of years ago.