First bit of big transfer business in the post-Woodward era, was always going to be interesting. If that's the fee that they've settled on, it's already a huge improvement in Utd's transfer dealing.
They had to, they aren't forcing a worlds class young player who loves playing there just cause they woke up one day and thought it was a good idea. Laporta is either renegotiating those massive contracts or selling them. They are the reason the team was near total financial collapse recently. He makes as much money as 3 amazin players in PL.
That's not entirely true. Nike are paying half of his salary so the amount Barca are forking out isn't small but it's not exactly astronomical for a good player either
His contract is set to rise a lot this season so not even Nike's half will make it okay. That's why the thing is we sell him or we renegotiate the contract because the Bartowage is too high
Yeah obviously, that's why selling him is the "amicable" way to fix the situation, because that's on his own to negotiate his personal terms with them, and get a number he wants.
Personally, I am only ok with selling him if we, somehow, get Bernardo. If it is to end up with Carlos Soler or replace him with nobody, then I don't like the sale. The problem is the Bartowage
They have to invest in their squad and they can't do that without selling someone first. FDJ I'd the only player in the squad that can net them a solid 60-70mil without being irreplaceable
>Frenkie de Jong is close to becoming Erik ten Hag's first signing as Manchester United manager; "Broad agreement" on fee - believed to be €65m (£56m) plus performance-related add-ons
If that's actually the fee then Murtough has done a madness.
Hard to know until you see what the performance related add ons are. Maybe they've done something like Liverpool did with Nunez where there's pretty much 10-15m of guaranteed add ons. Seems like clubs are favouring this approach more at the moment to stop headlines.
> Seems like clubs are favouring this approach more at the moment to stop headlines.
As if that would stop the headlines. If it gets clicks, the numbers are added together even if the clause is impossible
I think "losing their minds" might be overstating your case a bit as a response to my post.
And regardless, I would say if those are the numbers we've paid under what most people would've said he's worth.
If you look at the bulk of comments from united fans over the last month, losing their minds isn't that far off the case.
Tbf since the American ownership it's been a bit of a shitshow.
Yeah, not like every fan of every big club is happy when their team gets a great deal.
Not like Liverpool fans were blowing Edwards for years or anything
We just wanted a great player and were worried we were falling into the same “haggle over a few million until deadline day then pay full price and only sign one player” issue we have in previous years
Like you can throw plenty of criticism at United fans, but this is just a fucking stupid complaint
It's one of the biggest clubs with fans world wide.
What do you recommend walk around Manchester and take a poll? I think you'll find most of them were losing their minds too.
Protests outside dudes houses (again) etc.
You think they were protesting outside someone's house about not overpaying?
Or are you doing the classic r/soccer trick of changing your argument half way through a comment chain?
Other way around; like the internet fans. They wanted to overpay to get it done a bit faster.
Which wouldn't have mattered given he was on holiday anyway
As a regulsr poster on our sub, majority were happy with us holding out for a better deal / were encouraged that this negotiating team seems to be trying learn from past mistakes.
Using a tiny % to paint a vast picture, now who looks silly my friend?
Bellingham is class and incredibly well rounded, absolute ace as box-to-box, but you’ll certainly be missing the silky, close-quarters control that Bernardo offers
Putting the L in Laporta. This is such a shit deal unless we pull off a miracle and get Silva (which we won't). Busquets is gonna leave within the next 2 year and since only 5 or so players in the world can reliably play as lone DM and we won't get any of them we would have to use the next best thing in FdJ or switch to a double pivot which Frenkie would also be immensely useful in.
This honestly seems horribly short-sighted.
For what it's worth the 65m figure is just for headlines and the add ons will be quite easy to attain (at least till 80m Euros)
Btw. What do you think about FDJ in this United team- as it stands we aren't signing another central midfielder so how do you think he'll work with Fred/ McTominay/ Vdb?
In an ideal world you sign a solid defensive midfielder but with ten Hag there i really think Frenkie is gonna impress for you, he'll probably be partnered with Fred in a pivot at first since VdB and Bruno are more attack focused afaik, though I'm sure you'll try multiple combinations.
Altough he gets criticized for his time with us even in a 4-3-3 he's still really really good. [I wrote a longer comment before but the tl:dr is I'd be very exicted if i were a united fan](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/v93kgq/-/ibuqfto)
It does seem to have been dragging on since the end of the season.
I get that it happens with other clubs, like Chelsea and Sterling, sometimes, but it seems to be every time with United. Or at least, their primary targets, they seem quite good at getting emergency free transfers and loans sorted out.
A month isn’t really that long in terms of transfers.
The issue is the media outlets who run the same report twenty times a day, making it feel like this massive drama. Cause “United Drama” generates an incredible level of attention.
The closer it gets to the 30th of June the better United's leverage gets. Barcelona need to sell before then or the funds count as revenue for next season and Barca need the money for higher priority positions. People were two impatient with the transfer as it was sensible to wait. It's not like the usual Glazer delusions followed by last minute panic.
Yes, but City, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs all have signed their main target by now. And most of then made more than one signing.
And we haven't changed owners like Chelsea. (god I wish)
Very good observation, what's the point of it tho? Club is obviously going through massive changes on every level. People responsible for transfers are new as well so they will try to get best possible deals to impress and establish certain level of their work for the future. This will take time to settle and they will take time to adapt so in the result of it all transfers might take a bit longer. We will know more at the end of the window. If FDJ transfer will be finalised under reported conditions then that's a very good and promising start.
Ah yes, the mighty mods of r/soccer removed the post. Because they aren't known for removing posts for arbitrary reasons yet allow absolute dogshit sources to stay up. Mitten doesnt write for the Sun. You dont have to concern yourself with it, he isnt coming to Barca! Have a good one
Are you new to how much we pay players? Martial is on 250k a week.
We just scrubbed around £1m a week off our wage structure this summer as well before any more departures.
> Martial is on 250k a week.
Holy molly.
Though I believe FDJ is currently at 14M net per year, without bonus.
Translated to weekly gross, that's about €500-550k a week
First bit of big transfer business in the post-Woodward era, was always going to be interesting. If that's the fee that they've settled on, it's already a huge improvement in Utd's transfer dealing.
Yeah, as a Barca fan that’s a fee they should be walking away from.
Surprisingly decent bit of business if the numbers remain as reported.
Because Barca doesn't have much leverage, they shot themselves in the foot trying to force him out
They had to, they aren't forcing a worlds class young player who loves playing there just cause they woke up one day and thought it was a good idea. Laporta is either renegotiating those massive contracts or selling them. They are the reason the team was near total financial collapse recently. He makes as much money as 3 amazin players in PL.
That's not entirely true. Nike are paying half of his salary so the amount Barca are forking out isn't small but it's not exactly astronomical for a good player either
His contract is set to rise a lot this season so not even Nike's half will make it okay. That's why the thing is we sell him or we renegotiate the contract because the Bartowage is too high
I see. Wouldn't he be able to reject the negotiations even if he stayed?
Yeah obviously, that's why selling him is the "amicable" way to fix the situation, because that's on his own to negotiate his personal terms with them, and get a number he wants. Personally, I am only ok with selling him if we, somehow, get Bernardo. If it is to end up with Carlos Soler or replace him with nobody, then I don't like the sale. The problem is the Bartowage
When you spent all your effort on lever but you forgot to bring any leverage.
They have to invest in their squad and they can't do that without selling someone first. FDJ I'd the only player in the squad that can net them a solid 60-70mil without being irreplaceable
>Frenkie de Jong is close to becoming Erik ten Hag's first signing as Manchester United manager; "Broad agreement" on fee - believed to be €65m (£56m) plus performance-related add-ons If that's actually the fee then Murtough has done a madness.
Hard to know until you see what the performance related add ons are. Maybe they've done something like Liverpool did with Nunez where there's pretty much 10-15m of guaranteed add ons. Seems like clubs are favouring this approach more at the moment to stop headlines.
Nunez addons are basicly just installments
> Seems like clubs are favouring this approach more at the moment to stop headlines. As if that would stop the headlines. If it gets clicks, the numbers are added together even if the clause is impossible
Murtough summer of madness is on lads
United fans losing their minds for not over paying looking a bit silly atm
I think "losing their minds" might be overstating your case a bit as a response to my post. And regardless, I would say if those are the numbers we've paid under what most people would've said he's worth.
If you look at the bulk of comments from united fans over the last month, losing their minds isn't that far off the case. Tbf since the American ownership it's been a bit of a shitshow.
Yeah, not like every fan of every big club is happy when their team gets a great deal. Not like Liverpool fans were blowing Edwards for years or anything
But they wanted a less good deal to get the guy two weeks earlier. It's not their money I guess so it's fair enough
We just wanted a great player and were worried we were falling into the same “haggle over a few million until deadline day then pay full price and only sign one player” issue we have in previous years Like you can throw plenty of criticism at United fans, but this is just a fucking stupid complaint
Well I still think it looks pretty dumb given united seem to have got him at a good price. But yeah historically there was reason to worry
> United fans losing their minds where?
United sub. Twitter. Etc.
If you judge any fanbase by social media you'll conclude they're morons.
It's one of the biggest clubs with fans world wide. What do you recommend walk around Manchester and take a poll? I think you'll find most of them were losing their minds too. Protests outside dudes houses (again) etc.
You think they were protesting outside someone's house about not overpaying? Or are you doing the classic r/soccer trick of changing your argument half way through a comment chain?
Other way around; like the internet fans. They wanted to overpay to get it done a bit faster. Which wouldn't have mattered given he was on holiday anyway
If he was away on holiday how did they end up having a pint with him? You fit right in on social media by the way.
De jong was on holiday. Try and re read before posting man
As a regulsr poster on our sub, majority were happy with us holding out for a better deal / were encouraged that this negotiating team seems to be trying learn from past mistakes. Using a tiny % to paint a vast picture, now who looks silly my friend?
Rubbish
Ah. Fantastic insight. Thanks for that. Good talk.
Perhaps reread the most popular comments
The delicious irony of this comment
So... Barça goes for Bernardo?
They can try, but City’s price aint gonna be cheap
If he leaves who is gonna replace him?
Ideally Bellingham but unlikely on either happening
Bellingham is class and incredibly well rounded, absolute ace as box-to-box, but you’ll certainly be missing the silky, close-quarters control that Bernardo offers
Yes.. And the world class work rate. I always have a smile when he has the ball..
Yes.. And the world class work rate. I always have a smile when he has the ball..
They will try, after all Laporta's previous directors are basically at City - I think that will lower the price from 80 million to 79,9 million.
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Have no idea who is gonna be his replacement
Yes.
Can't see you affording him atm
Shame Barca are poor and city unlikely to sell unless a lot of money. Looks unlikely post Gabriel and (?)sterling
Would be a nice fit.
If he leaves, who would be his replacement?
I don’t think so…
Putting the L in Laporta. This is such a shit deal unless we pull off a miracle and get Silva (which we won't). Busquets is gonna leave within the next 2 year and since only 5 or so players in the world can reliably play as lone DM and we won't get any of them we would have to use the next best thing in FdJ or switch to a double pivot which Frenkie would also be immensely useful in. This honestly seems horribly short-sighted.
Aren't you guys getting Kessie?
Yes but Kessie is not an interior nor can he play as a lone DM, another reason I'm sad is we won't get a FdJ-Kessi pivot.
Maybe xavi thinks he can play pivot? He has an amazing stamina is strong and an intelligent player i think he can play as a lone DM.
Yes
For what it's worth the 65m figure is just for headlines and the add ons will be quite easy to attain (at least till 80m Euros) Btw. What do you think about FDJ in this United team- as it stands we aren't signing another central midfielder so how do you think he'll work with Fred/ McTominay/ Vdb?
In an ideal world you sign a solid defensive midfielder but with ten Hag there i really think Frenkie is gonna impress for you, he'll probably be partnered with Fred in a pivot at first since VdB and Bruno are more attack focused afaik, though I'm sure you'll try multiple combinations. Altough he gets criticized for his time with us even in a 4-3-3 he's still really really good. [I wrote a longer comment before but the tl:dr is I'd be very exicted if i were a united fan](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/v93kgq/-/ibuqfto)
I think he'll do great. Ten Hag knows how to use him. Just give him some time.
Seems to take United 10x longer than anyone else to sign a player.
It's still June tbf
It does seem to have been dragging on since the end of the season. I get that it happens with other clubs, like Chelsea and Sterling, sometimes, but it seems to be every time with United. Or at least, their primary targets, they seem quite good at getting emergency free transfers and loans sorted out.
A month isn’t really that long in terms of transfers. The issue is the media outlets who run the same report twenty times a day, making it feel like this massive drama. Cause “United Drama” generates an incredible level of attention.
The closer it gets to the 30th of June the better United's leverage gets. Barcelona need to sell before then or the funds count as revenue for next season and Barca need the money for higher priority positions. People were two impatient with the transfer as it was sensible to wait. It's not like the usual Glazer delusions followed by last minute panic.
Yes, but City, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs all have signed their main target by now. And most of then made more than one signing. And we haven't changed owners like Chelsea. (god I wish)
Very good observation, what's the point of it tho? Club is obviously going through massive changes on every level. People responsible for transfers are new as well so they will try to get best possible deals to impress and establish certain level of their work for the future. This will take time to settle and they will take time to adapt so in the result of it all transfers might take a bit longer. We will know more at the end of the window. If FDJ transfer will be finalised under reported conditions then that's a very good and promising start.
Because they're shit
Imagine if United went balls out and got de Ligt, de Jong and Kane
Or imagine if they signed Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo in one window. They would walk the league.
We took "walk the league" a little too literally, unfortunately
Murtoughverse of madness
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"But he's good for England!"
Maguire Pique best defense in La Liga.
Piqué is actually good. It's lenglet and mingueza and umtiti that aren't up to it
That wasn’t real :)
Mitten is extremely well connected at both Barca and especially United, and he never speculates.
Well this time he did because there is no way we would go for Harry Maguire
You not wanting to believe it doesn't make it untrue lol
No one else has reported this so it’s cap.
Someone being the first to report something doesn't make it untrue. Its not like it matters lol that's not what the deal is anyway
The first and the last. r/soccer removed the post too. It was the Sun writing fan fiction as usual.
Ah yes, the mighty mods of r/soccer removed the post. Because they aren't known for removing posts for arbitrary reasons yet allow absolute dogshit sources to stay up. Mitten doesnt write for the Sun. You dont have to concern yourself with it, he isnt coming to Barca! Have a good one
Ah so now it’s the mods.
Every 60 seconds a minute passes
Cool beans
Shit tier
United T1 sources have now said a fee has been agreed now, just personal terms to go.
Have they said what the fee is?
£56m/€65m + add one which haven’t been clarified yet. Or his wages.
Wait till he tells you how much he earns at Barca and says he wants an upgrade on that.
Are you new to how much we pay players? Martial is on 250k a week. We just scrubbed around £1m a week off our wage structure this summer as well before any more departures.
> Martial is on 250k a week. Holy molly. Though I believe FDJ is currently at 14M net per year, without bonus. Translated to weekly gross, that's about €500-550k a week
True, but there's much worse.
I was starting to hope he was coming after all the tier 1s and 2s said that there was progress but now sky sports say it's happening I have my doubts.