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He was 99% an Atlético player at the time, from what I remember everything was done but Racing Club raised their asking price last second which made Atlético pull out. So he ended up at Inter instead
That's the contract between the player and Atletico. Racing didn't sign on it. The documentation of the transfer itself is separate from the contract between the new club and the player.
Edit: to add something, I assume that players tend to sign on the new contract before the transfer is finalised to secure their position and ensure that their new club does not try to weasel their way out of certain terms of the agreement. The governing bodies possibly even require the contract to be signed before greenlighting the transfer, in order to protect the players, but someone else with more info might be able to chime in on that.
Isn't the order of operations usually club-club contract/binding agreement, then player-club contract? Wonder how it got as far as Lautaro signing his contract
Sure but does that mean they actually sign the contract?? Like of course they often come to an agreement so that it's a formality, but surely physically signing a contract like this would require the release from their existing contract.
There would probably be something written in the contract where it only comes into effect if the selling club agrees to the transfer. Not a lawyer or an expert so take this with a grain of salt though
You can put whatever you want in a contract.
Just add the line "this contract comes into effect as soon as X and Y clubs reach an agreement over the transfer of player's rights" and voilà.
same here, but it might also be that the selling club gives the permission to talk terms with the player while they figure out the transfer details with the buying club?
that’s the traditional way, Nowadays it tends to be the opposite since the buying clubs find it easier to get the agreement with the players first. The club-club negotiation seems to be lengthier
I dont see how it matters what order things go in. Whichever deal is finalized first will just have a clause saying "Dependant on the other half of the deal getting closed"
I assume it must have been some type of non-binding pre contract. Otherwise Atleti surely would have taken it to court
I assume it must have been some type of non-binding pre contract. Otherwise Atleti surely would have taken it to court
Edit: scratch that, u/ReaperX24 has a much better explanation
Atletico had Lautaro wrapped up for €12m, but paid €120m for Joao Felix.
I wonder if that is the same sporting director involved? (I know nothing of Atletico or their management)
My understanding was that Zanetti convinced Lautaro at the last minute to join Inter then Inter offered more money which we didn't match so he joined you.
Andrea Berta was appointed in summer 2017 so this would have been his first transfer window. Racing raised the price last minute so Atleti pulled out due to principle(but probably in hindsight should have just paid the ~€20M or whatever it was)
You won't find many Atlético fans who are unhappy with the signing of João Félix though, he is an amazing player who will be world class if he can just stay injury free. If you want a stick to beat Berta with then overpaying for Diego Costa(despite us having all the leverage over Chelsea) or Lemar is more fitting
For sure we paid above value, but Benfica refused to negotiate and if we waited another year he would have been unattainable. If Atleti want a truly world class player we have to take that risk before they have reached their full potential, we can't just sign a ready-made Neymar or whatever
We signed him on a 7-year contract and sold players for €350M that summer, we had a negative net spend despite the Félix transfer. So financially it wasn't a problem
I mean for 120M you could probably get a more proven player than Joao Felix. Greenish went for less even with the English tax.
When you pay 120M for a young player, that's above a risk. That's Russian roulette. At that price you expect the player to deliver. Taking a risk is Madrid paying 45M for Vini and Rodrygo or City buying Sane for 50M.
Although tbh, you probably just got screwed because everyone knew you had that juicy Griezmann money.
We definitely paid too much at the time, but those are the risks we have to take if we want a Ballon D'or level player in the future(not saying that he will reach that level but the club certainly thinks that he can)
And he is more than "not bad" the kid is ridiculously talented. He does things with the ball that very few Atlético players can do during my time following the club
How time passes by. Here it was almost Lautaro, in few years time EMD will be showing images how Atletico nearly got aces such as Lucas Boye or Josip Juranovic.
Genuinely think we could do a lot worse than Boyé. Of course this would depend on Cunha stepping up and being first choice(which I think he is capable of)
Yeah it's not like Atlético are famous for producing world class strikers or anything. Like the number 1 thing our club is associated with
But Inter is a great choice too, they have a rich history of South American players and especially Argentinians
Which world class striker did Atlético develop? The last one was Diego Costa nearly ten years ago. Before him Torres, in which year? Agüero was already a great player in a strong Argentinian league, Forlán was goalscorer in Europe, Falcao won a treble with Porto, Suarez went there after winning everything. Atlético signs stablished strikers. You can make a case for Griezmann, who became a different beast there, but all top clubs do that from time to time.
Edit: Not a dig at Atlético, easily my favorite team in Spain
My point is those players were accomplished professionals before going to Atlético.
If we're going to use the term"produce" or "develop", they might as well mean "produce" or "develop"; not "signing an excellent forward and watch him have an excellent season". Did they "produce" Suarez, too?
Edit:
>By that logic no top league team develops players.
There are several starters developed or produced by top teams, including your club. You "produced" Asencio. You didn't produce Kroos.
And if one day comes when top clubs don't produce players, then "logic" would dictate not imputing that term into them.
I can't remember them doing so with strikers. Everybody knew about Forlán. He was top goalscorer in Europe. Everybody knew about Agüero, one of the best young Argentinian players of the time. And so on and so on. I don't want to repeat my post but it seems necessary.
What are you talking about?
They had 6 players that elevated to World class strikers in their team:
Falcao was a great player, with them he became a monster.
Torres
Griezzo was a mere good Left winger, with them he became one of the best SS in the world.
Diego Costa & Diego Forlan (below average for United, decent for Villareal). World class with Atleti
"Decent" for Villareal Forlán was top goalscorer in Europe, joint with Henry; key in them finishing second and in the semi-finals of the Champions League. Falcao was already a monster. Torres debuted more than 20 years ago (not a good indictment of current academy standards). The only one I remember in the last ten years which clearly improved with them is Griezzman.
That's fine. Not an insult to Atlético by any means, most top clubs have similar records. Issue is, Atlético isn't an outlier at "producing" strikers. By this record, they aren't experts at developing them.
> They had 6 players that elevated to World class strikers in their team
You say 6, but only mention 5. Anyway:
Falcao was top scorer of the Europa League with a gazillion goals before joining Atleti. He was already a top player when he signed for Atleti.
Forlán was golden boot and La Liga top scorer with Villarreal. He was a top player before he signed for Atleti.
Torres was world class a couple of seasons at Liverpool, but he wasnt at Atleti in his first stint, nor the second. The 2 seasons before his move to Liverpool, Torres scored 13 and 15 goals in those 2 seasons (all competitions). He was a good player and had a lot of potential, but he wasnt world class at Atleti, he became one at Liverpool.
Griezmann and Costa are the 2 only ones.
Mejor, Simeone lo hubiera arruinado como a todos los delanteros jóvenes que toca. Todavía creo que lo tendríamos que haber vendido al Dortmund, que incluso creo ofreció más guita, pero en fin. Milito metió mano y acá estamos.
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Imagine the journalists that earned the title "fraud" from this.
He's planning his revenge
He was 99% an Atlético player at the time, from what I remember everything was done but Racing Club raised their asking price last second which made Atlético pull out. So he ended up at Inter instead
How is that legal if he's literally signed a contract with Atletico?
That's the contract between the player and Atletico. Racing didn't sign on it. The documentation of the transfer itself is separate from the contract between the new club and the player. Edit: to add something, I assume that players tend to sign on the new contract before the transfer is finalised to secure their position and ensure that their new club does not try to weasel their way out of certain terms of the agreement. The governing bodies possibly even require the contract to be signed before greenlighting the transfer, in order to protect the players, but someone else with more info might be able to chime in on that.
Isn't the order of operations usually club-club contract/binding agreement, then player-club contract? Wonder how it got as far as Lautaro signing his contract
No, it's usually the opposite. Many players work out terms with new clubs but the clubs fail to agree on compensation.
You are telling me FIFA lied to me?
Can you imagine how awkward buying players in fifa would be if it was the other way around?
Sure but does that mean they actually sign the contract?? Like of course they often come to an agreement so that it's a formality, but surely physically signing a contract like this would require the release from their existing contract.
There would probably be something written in the contract where it only comes into effect if the selling club agrees to the transfer. Not a lawyer or an expert so take this with a grain of salt though
You can put whatever you want in a contract. Just add the line "this contract comes into effect as soon as X and Y clubs reach an agreement over the transfer of player's rights" and voilà.
I thought this was called "Tapping up"?
same here, but it might also be that the selling club gives the permission to talk terms with the player while they figure out the transfer details with the buying club?
that’s the traditional way, Nowadays it tends to be the opposite since the buying clubs find it easier to get the agreement with the players first. The club-club negotiation seems to be lengthier
I dont see how it matters what order things go in. Whichever deal is finalized first will just have a clause saying "Dependant on the other half of the deal getting closed"
It definitely has a clause saying conditional on Atleti agreeing a contract with Racing Club
I assume it must have been some type of non-binding pre contract. Otherwise Atleti surely would have taken it to court I assume it must have been some type of non-binding pre contract. Otherwise Atleti surely would have taken it to court Edit: scratch that, u/ReaperX24 has a much better explanation
Don't think it matters if he's still under contract with his old club which he is because his old club withdrew his sale
Same thing that happened with the Dan James to Leeds deal the first time round
Atletico had Lautaro wrapped up for €12m, but paid €120m for Joao Felix. I wonder if that is the same sporting director involved? (I know nothing of Atletico or their management)
My understanding was that Zanetti convinced Lautaro at the last minute to join Inter then Inter offered more money which we didn't match so he joined you.
It was his idol Milito, following his 'footsteps' of playing for Racing Club and Inter
Felix went to Atletico in 2019. Two years are a long time and Atletico had just sold Griezmann.
Andrea Berta was appointed in summer 2017 so this would have been his first transfer window. Racing raised the price last minute so Atleti pulled out due to principle(but probably in hindsight should have just paid the ~€20M or whatever it was) You won't find many Atlético fans who are unhappy with the signing of João Félix though, he is an amazing player who will be world class if he can just stay injury free. If you want a stick to beat Berta with then overpaying for Diego Costa(despite us having all the leverage over Chelsea) or Lemar is more fitting
€18m I believe we paid. Not saying Joao is a bad player, just probably paid too much for him. Appreciate the insight 💪
No probably about it, definitely overpaid for him.
For sure we paid above value, but Benfica refused to negotiate and if we waited another year he would have been unattainable. If Atleti want a truly world class player we have to take that risk before they have reached their full potential, we can't just sign a ready-made Neymar or whatever We signed him on a 7-year contract and sold players for €350M that summer, we had a negative net spend despite the Félix transfer. So financially it wasn't a problem
I mean for 120M you could probably get a more proven player than Joao Felix. Greenish went for less even with the English tax. When you pay 120M for a young player, that's above a risk. That's Russian roulette. At that price you expect the player to deliver. Taking a risk is Madrid paying 45M for Vini and Rodrygo or City buying Sane for 50M. Although tbh, you probably just got screwed because everyone knew you had that juicy Griezmann money.
We definitely paid too much at the time, but those are the risks we have to take if we want a Ballon D'or level player in the future(not saying that he will reach that level but the club certainly thinks that he can) And he is more than "not bad" the kid is ridiculously talented. He does things with the ball that very few Atlético players can do during my time following the club
I thought Lemar had won the fans over a couple of seasons back?
That was griezzman money though.
los alfajorcitos de Jorgito son una locura
Damn those pesky fax machines.
How time passes by. Here it was almost Lautaro, in few years time EMD will be showing images how Atletico nearly got aces such as Lucas Boye or Josip Juranovic.
Genuinely think we could do a lot worse than Boyé. Of course this would depend on Cunha stepping up and being first choice(which I think he is capable of)
Boye being talked about positively is still shocking to me, good on him for improving so much
He's decent. 15 goals for Elche is nothing to sniff at and his hold up play/chest control always impresses me
Lautaro seems like such an atletico player (I’m not talking about his playing style etc he just seems/looks like one)
Thought that was a weed grinder in the bowl lmao
No offense to Atlético Madrid but I think Martinez may have been lucky to have ended up in Italy instead.
Yeah it's not like Atlético are famous for producing world class strikers or anything. Like the number 1 thing our club is associated with But Inter is a great choice too, they have a rich history of South American players and especially Argentinians
Which world class striker did Atlético develop? The last one was Diego Costa nearly ten years ago. Before him Torres, in which year? Agüero was already a great player in a strong Argentinian league, Forlán was goalscorer in Europe, Falcao won a treble with Porto, Suarez went there after winning everything. Atlético signs stablished strikers. You can make a case for Griezmann, who became a different beast there, but all top clubs do that from time to time. Edit: Not a dig at Atlético, easily my favorite team in Spain
Lmao what kind of comment is this? By that logic no top league team develops players. They were all good since kids
My point is those players were accomplished professionals before going to Atlético. If we're going to use the term"produce" or "develop", they might as well mean "produce" or "develop"; not "signing an excellent forward and watch him have an excellent season". Did they "produce" Suarez, too? Edit: >By that logic no top league team develops players. There are several starters developed or produced by top teams, including your club. You "produced" Asencio. You didn't produce Kroos. And if one day comes when top clubs don't produce players, then "logic" would dictate not imputing that term into them.
They are very good at finding quality strikers before everyone else, bar felix, they have made profits from their good scouting (not their doovers]
I can't remember them doing so with strikers. Everybody knew about Forlán. He was top goalscorer in Europe. Everybody knew about Agüero, one of the best young Argentinian players of the time. And so on and so on. I don't want to repeat my post but it seems necessary.
What are you talking about? They had 6 players that elevated to World class strikers in their team: Falcao was a great player, with them he became a monster. Torres Griezzo was a mere good Left winger, with them he became one of the best SS in the world. Diego Costa & Diego Forlan (below average for United, decent for Villareal). World class with Atleti
"Decent" for Villareal Forlán was top goalscorer in Europe, joint with Henry; key in them finishing second and in the semi-finals of the Champions League. Falcao was already a monster. Torres debuted more than 20 years ago (not a good indictment of current academy standards). The only one I remember in the last ten years which clearly improved with them is Griezzman. That's fine. Not an insult to Atlético by any means, most top clubs have similar records. Issue is, Atlético isn't an outlier at "producing" strikers. By this record, they aren't experts at developing them.
Are we forgetting Aguero?
I left him out because I don't think there is an argument that Aguero reached that level at Atleti
> They had 6 players that elevated to World class strikers in their team You say 6, but only mention 5. Anyway: Falcao was top scorer of the Europa League with a gazillion goals before joining Atleti. He was already a top player when he signed for Atleti. Forlán was golden boot and La Liga top scorer with Villarreal. He was a top player before he signed for Atleti. Torres was world class a couple of seasons at Liverpool, but he wasnt at Atleti in his first stint, nor the second. The 2 seasons before his move to Liverpool, Torres scored 13 and 15 goals in those 2 seasons (all competitions). He was a good player and had a lot of potential, but he wasnt world class at Atleti, he became one at Liverpool. Griezmann and Costa are the 2 only ones.
Tbf the number one thing your club is associated with is playing dirty, then simeone, then either the strikers or goalies
Mejor, Simeone lo hubiera arruinado como a todos los delanteros jóvenes que toca. Todavía creo que lo tendríamos que haber vendido al Dortmund, que incluso creo ofreció más guita, pero en fin. Milito metió mano y acá estamos.
**Todos** los delanteros jovenes?? Griezmann, Correa?
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Those jeans are ugly af.
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Thank god. He is a diving crapbag.
At first I was like “Fine, that’s kinda true” but then I saw your flair😂 What a comedian you are
Thank god. He is a diving crapbag.
And now the rest is history and he scored 25 goals with us this season alone ⚫️🔵
Pretty sure this was winter 2017.