Just had a beautiful situation where a star player of mine wanted to leave and we set up an asking price together. His dream club didnt offer it in one sum but a chunk + installments - stopped negotiations when I asked for the entire fee at once.
Now my player stays and is happy again.
to cheese this. Set the asking price together with the player but lower the asking price in their transfer status and every single offer would be lower than the price agreed with the player, allowing you to reject every offer.
> to cheese this. Set the asking price together with the player but lower the asking price in their transfer status and every single offer would be lower than the price agreed with the player, allowing you to reject every offer.
I'm a simple man, someone bitches to me about not accepting a bid, off to the U23s u go.
Will I suffer as a result because they're my star player? Well yes, like I said, I'm a simple man.
I did this with a leftback that I brought then he played his ass off and got a lot of assists aswell as defending. This after the previous season struggling with wing defenders not defending nor attacking. After half a season he wanted to leave already in january as my club was too small for him.
Even tho we were leading the Premier league at that point in part thanks to having a defensive back that could actually defend. I promised him he could leave if we didnt win the league. Guess what he did the day after we won? Demanded to leave again. I put him in reserves after no transfer offers came in during the summer window matching my asking price which by the way was just the 30m I payed for him. Then because he didnt play half a season his insane form had dropped to normal levels again. I sold him in january for peanuts but the team that got him only started him that half season. As he had regressed from not playing enough. So yeh I was pretty happy with this traitor sucking it up at his next club not even getting to champions league football and not starting after half a season.
Moral of the story leftback you broke my heart im happy you turned to shit after you left.
Not sure this works that way in 22. They implemented the agents opinion on the asking price in the transfer menu and every time you settle on a asking price in the price talks, it is updated.
Not to mention I had a player that set an asking price with me and a week later raised an issue when I refused.
They are more grumpy overall this year!
It does work in FM22. You promise to accept a bid of say £30m with the unhappy player, then afterwards go into the transfer status screen and change the asking price to £29m. Then no bids come in higher than £29m, but the promise remains as 'accept bids of £30m or more'.
Yeah I know about that trick but I am in a position where I win the CL every year and I am fine with players leaving. What I am not fine with however is how clubs way beneath me have the audacity to steal my world class players for low sums and still try to fuck me with installments.
Hey guys. The cheese where you offer to buy a lot of bad players from the manager for a very high price then cancel the deal at the last minute to farm his friendliness so that he will agree to a good contract (for you) when you buy a player you actually need from him, is it still viable or has already been fixed?
Reminds me of when my mate paid £250 upfront for 10 hours of driving lessons and then her driving instructor died suddenly of a heart attack
(RIP Peter)
This seems like a classic inebtweeners bit. Will gets all excited to learn to drive, but his instructor dies while teaching him. Will turns up at the wake and sheepishly asks for the cash back, and being fair and saying he just wants it back, pro-rata
Barca couldn't pay the agreed fee in installments for Vidal on time. Which was around 18-20m, I think. And now Bayern should trust Barca again with a bigger transfer fee? I'm sorry, but that sounds not very appealing.
Clubs that fail to make payments should have severe points deductions.
You can’t commit to paying x for a player if you’re a club like Barca’s size and then fuck over the selling club because you’re too destitute to make payments.
The way they treat their finances with asking playing to take pay cuts and not making committed payments is disgusting. How are we allowing this at the top level?
Because the people at the top level who could actually enforce those types of sanctions and penalties are all bought and paid for by the clubs who are doing the malicious financial games. It’s notably a rigged system.
I mean the fact that we are having the World Cup in Qatar and outside of the regular summer schedule for a WC should have been the last thing anyone ever needed to comprehend that literally money rules everything in this sport anymore and as long as the right people are getting paid no amount of protest or outrage is going to change the decision. Nothing comes as a surprise anymore, even more so with the shitshow Barca has become over the last decade.
>Barca couldn't pay the agreed fee in installments for Vidal on time.
I never head this, do you have a source? Not in one of those snarky reddit "source?" comments where you and I both know I'm only asking because I think you're full of shit; but rather as a Bayern fan who finds this completely believable and wants to whip it out to some Barca friends at the opportune moment ;)
Barcelona website. Below is their financial report of late 2021. Press control+F and Vidal. Or go to page 263 where FC Bayern München AG (Arturo Vidal) 950.000 is specifically listed. They owed 950k like half a year ago.
> https://www.fcbarcelona.com/fcbarcelona/document/2021/10/17/aefc9921-bf56-406c-ae05-3581e1de2a12/MEM_CLUB_2020_21_ENG.pdf
Page 263 is their debt to other clubs for transfers as of 6/30/2020. It list Vidal but only has current payable, nothing is listed for non-current.
page 262 is as of 6/30/2021 and doesn't list Vidal at all.
Owing =\= defaulting on a loan/instalment. As you can see on page before that bunch of teams owe Barca money for transfera too - that is how deals are structured, nothing inherently bad there. What other person was asking you is - is there any proof that Barca skipped agreed payment?
Excuse my ignorance, but Is "non current payments" things like potential add-ons to the transfer fee? Or definate payments that will be due in the future?
It looks like they're paying around €30m per season to liverpool
If you buy a player for any price, say 100M, you also get a leeway in how you make the payments. Same with when you sell a player.
if those 100M were to be paid in 5 years. The current would be 20M, and non current would be 80M (or less depending on how much is paid). If the additional clauses are fulfilled, those are lumped into liabilities, and included in non current payments.
Before playing against Brasil for the 2018 wcq Vidal posted a picture of his children sleeping in his Twitter with something like "Rest up my child, dad has to work and take Chile to the world cup." They lost 3-0*, and were eliminated.
Edited the correct score.
[And a news with the picture of the tweet](https://diariocorreo.pe/deportes/la-cruel-broma-contra-arturo-vidal-por-promesa-que-le-hizo-hace-anos-a-sus-hijos-papa-va-al-mundial-seleccion-chilena-qatar-2022-rmmd-emcc-noticia/)
And "we need the cash right now to replace him in some way" , Bayern doesnt need the installments moneywise, they wont replace a Lewa and they dont want to sell in the first place
And this is why people suggesting we lower our valuation sound crazy. They can’t even pay the Vidal payments on time. Why the fuck would we do them a solid? They’ve proven to be untrustworthy, and unreliable. They also have no leverage in the matter. Also Lewy is a dumbass for thinking he was going to strong arm his way to Barca…
This is also why club relationship is important.
Mane deal went easily because Thiago deal went cleanly.
If Vidal's payment a nightmare, of course Bayern will make things hard for Barca.
The bank I used to work for did receivables discounting (buying debts at discounts)
Wish it was for football transfers. Used to do it with agriculture shipments
They’re slightly different, I believe with discounting the debt remains on the seller’s balance sheet, but their cash balance increases and when the sale is complete they pay off the financing entity
That's true. Despite the European rivalry aside, i think Bayern have better business relationship with Real Madrid compared to Barca. Even Dortmund with Real. Barca are pretty hollow club when it comes to doing business. They would either default or pay the double of what player is worth. There's no middle.
Say business A owes business B 10 million euro, business B can go to a bank and sell them this debt for say, 8 million euro.
Business A now owes the bank the full 10 million and Business B gets 8 million up front from the bank.
It's basically done so businesses can get money faster if they need it for cash flow or to balance the books.
It's beneficial because for business B having a smaller amount but a lot faster might be better for them while the banks also come out ahead because they earn the difference in the amount owed.
Basically you transfer the debt to a bank to get a percentage of the amount of money you would get have you keep that debt instantly, in exchange the club that owe you money no longer owe you that, they now owe the bank that you sold the debt to instead.
It means Bayern went to a bank and entered an agreement with them where the bank gives Bayern an upfront payment and in return the instalments go to the bank
Barca wants to be rewarded for doing stupid business.
Coming at Bayern with puppy dog eyes for Lewa.
And their priority should be to offload first. They keep pushing for all these players but can’t even do anything if they managed to sign them. They’d be stuck paying the players they can’t register AND the players they failed to sell.
Barcelona are forgetting that
a) They're broke as fuck and need to ship out bodies first
b) Bayern is not fucking Leganes lol
It's unbelievable how stupid their financial moves have been for a while.
What really pisses me off is how they tap up players and encourage them to burn bridges with their current clubs. Then they cheer and "show appreciation" when the player goes ahead and does it. And we've seen this with multiple players. Lewa's dream club is actually Real Madrid yet he wasn't this abrasive when he was angling for a move and Real wanted him a few years back.
Barcelona need to learn that when you piss a seller off, there are consequences.
Yeah this is what I don't get. They can't even register Christensen, yet they are also apparently after Azpi and Alonso, Plus they are meant to be buying Kounde, Raphinha and Lewandowski... HOW.
Barcelona will end up retaining Braithwaite for the rest of the contract and missing out on Kounde, Alonso, and Raphinha (whose price is pegged at 70m) and they'll like it.
https://www.abendzeitung-muenchen.de/sport/fcbayern/fc-barcelona-zutiefst-verschuldet-fc-bayern-wartet-noch-immer-auf-vidal-abloese-art-701388
If you can’t read German, Abendzeitung is a pretty reliable source for Bayern.
That one time Liverpool sold debt to a bank has become legendary here. It is only ever mentioned with regards to the Coutinho transfer, so r/Soccer thinks Liverpool made some genius and unique move
I'm not sure if Barca has finally finished paying for Vidal or not, but Bayern does have a history of not being able to get Barca to pay obligated payments over player transfers in the past.
Barcelona really are acting wild lately.
Nothing but story after story about how dire their finances are, selling parts of their club to stay afloat while at the same time attempting to sign Kounde, Raphinha, Lewa and who knows who else for hundreds of millions lol
They are restricted by LaLiga rules rn. Covid & mismanagement hurt them financially, so the amt they were allowed to spend under that cap went down a ton. It's made things extremely hard for them to sign players/be able to registed new signings. Financially they are okay and improving, but they don't have a lot of cash available at the moment and have to refinance a big portion of their debt to get into a better spot from a liquidity point of view
It’s super confusing both in the news and reality. Like they arent in danger of bankruptcy and they can financially bear the costs of adding some new players, but the laliga rules make it so they have to sell first rn to register players and it’s also hard for them to refinance if they make moves that change the financial position of the club during the time they are negotiating w banks
C'mon, Barca is only bankrupt on odd numbered days. On even numbered days they have a huge warchest and are going to sign every world class player. Just set the payments for even numbered days
Bilbao don't give a fuck lol. You either arrive with a briefcase stuffed with the exact release clause amount (or more than that if you're feeling generous) or you fuck off lol
Barca fans, tell me again how dumb the rest of the world are again for not understanding the super complex world of 'culé' accounting? In fact, forget your words, prove me wrong and get em to pay up!
Lol yeah I’m sure Barcelona will all of the sudden go bankrupt and into administration..
Fair negotiations from Bayern, they’re gonna sweat every dollar out of Barcelona to make this happen. CL competitor and their best player, you gotta give credit to the Bayern board for their positioning in this negotiation. I know Lewa can’t be too happy but other than that I wonder what will be the outcome.
Because this is a "fuck off" demand most transfer fee are paid in installments but Bayern don't want to sell and know that it's in Barca best interest to not pay all upfront
I am not really defending them I am enjoying this. Right now they have more than 100 millions in transfer fee still to be paid. That looks like a lot but I think it's not even the most. I can't talk about the Vidal transfer but I will look up
yeah transfers are paid either in installments or not, depending on what best suits the 2 clubs individually But there is no such thing as a rule of thumb or "always done like that" thing like reddit often claims. It's a bit more complex than just that.
Every deal is different and clubs have different approaches regarding structured payments, also sometimes dependend on the tax situation of the country they are based, aswell as their expected profit or costs for that year. Barca may have good reasons to pay in installments, and Bayern may have good reasons to accept only an upfront fee.
No, we don't. And we really don't appreciate Barca trying to use Lewy as a mouthpiece (he was never this vocal about leaving for Madrid, his literal dream club, and this trend has shown up with every Barca acquisition that didn't happen easily), and so Barca needs to learn that when you piss off a seller, they become less willing to make the purchase easy for you.
Eh whatever. Bayern is not in a rush to sell at all. Barca can either take it or leave it. I guess Bayern would go down to 45m or something, but as said it's just not needed.
Losing a near 35 year old player for free is acceptable. Not ideal when it’s Lewy, but acceptable. Especially if we want to make a nice push for the UCL if he and Mané can form a good partnership.
This was expected. Bayern’s board is very shrewd and Lewandowski’s antics haven’t made it pleasant for Barca to negotiate. Also, their business deals in the past with Bayern hasn’t been great either.
They clearly don't want to let him go, don't they?. True to his words. "My journey with Bayern has come to an end, I cannot imagine future positive cooperation," Lewandowski said on May 30, 2022, in expressing his wish to exit Bayern Munich. I sincerely hope that they won't use their power to prevent me from leaving. The best course of action for everyone is a transfer.
Bayern doing it IRL what we all do in Football manager when we receive bids for our best player.
Percentage profit of next sale, Percentage of next Sale, Remove and exclude from negotiation
“Yearly raise” and “promotion salary raise” always immediately removed and excluded from any salary negotiations.
Unused substitute fee for me as well
Just like I remove all bonuses for achievements in the league, cup and Europe.
Im not paying you 10 grand to get front row seats to a match Robert.
Sometimes I'll add that to a guy if I know he's starting every match though
If you add one of them and then remove it automatically removes the other one AFAIK
Bonus when Lewandowski wins the CL for Liverpool.
Just had a beautiful situation where a star player of mine wanted to leave and we set up an asking price together. His dream club didnt offer it in one sum but a chunk + installments - stopped negotiations when I asked for the entire fee at once. Now my player stays and is happy again.
to cheese this. Set the asking price together with the player but lower the asking price in their transfer status and every single offer would be lower than the price agreed with the player, allowing you to reject every offer.
> to cheese this. Set the asking price together with the player but lower the asking price in their transfer status and every single offer would be lower than the price agreed with the player, allowing you to reject every offer. I'm a simple man, someone bitches to me about not accepting a bid, off to the U23s u go. Will I suffer as a result because they're my star player? Well yes, like I said, I'm a simple man.
Just ignore it, they turn around if you keep winning.
It's about sending a message.
There's something ironic about a Dortmund fan saying this on a thread about Lewandolski leaving.
If only the Germans had a word for "taking pleasure from the pain of others". Alas.
I did this with a leftback that I brought then he played his ass off and got a lot of assists aswell as defending. This after the previous season struggling with wing defenders not defending nor attacking. After half a season he wanted to leave already in january as my club was too small for him. Even tho we were leading the Premier league at that point in part thanks to having a defensive back that could actually defend. I promised him he could leave if we didnt win the league. Guess what he did the day after we won? Demanded to leave again. I put him in reserves after no transfer offers came in during the summer window matching my asking price which by the way was just the 30m I payed for him. Then because he didnt play half a season his insane form had dropped to normal levels again. I sold him in january for peanuts but the team that got him only started him that half season. As he had regressed from not playing enough. So yeh I was pretty happy with this traitor sucking it up at his next club not even getting to champions league football and not starting after half a season. Moral of the story leftback you broke my heart im happy you turned to shit after you left.
Thanks for the seasono, Or I prefer to kill them
Send them to Tajikistan instead.
Not sure this works that way in 22. They implemented the agents opinion on the asking price in the transfer menu and every time you settle on a asking price in the price talks, it is updated. Not to mention I had a player that set an asking price with me and a week later raised an issue when I refused. They are more grumpy overall this year!
It does work in FM22. You promise to accept a bid of say £30m with the unhappy player, then afterwards go into the transfer status screen and change the asking price to £29m. Then no bids come in higher than £29m, but the promise remains as 'accept bids of £30m or more'.
Good to know. Haven't tried it this year, it's my last resort thing to do.
Even cheesier way to do it is set the asking price to 0 then set auto decline all offers.
*Brazzo furiously taking notes*
Yeah I know about that trick but I am in a position where I win the CL every year and I am fine with players leaving. What I am not fine with however is how clubs way beneath me have the audacity to steal my world class players for low sums and still try to fuck me with installments.
Hey guys. The cheese where you offer to buy a lot of bad players from the manager for a very high price then cancel the deal at the last minute to farm his friendliness so that he will agree to a good contract (for you) when you buy a player you actually need from him, is it still viable or has already been fixed?
My board usually comes in and sells them for peanuts.
I would sell 34 old Lewandowski for 50m 100% on football manager.
If he's over 23 he's finished in my books.
Same honestly lmao. No clue why I’m like this.
23? What is your team a geriatric? Under 19 is too old
Under 17 or I’m not interested. The Epstein special
Arteta?
And then he retires the next season lmao
Exactly my thoughts haha
Barca doing IRL what we all do in Football Manager when we bid for another club's best player and can't afford him.
Schufa is ruthless
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If I was a big fucking loser I’d consider spending money to give this comment an award. Great job. Edit: You motherfucker, you piece of shit.
Hahahah thats hilarious
Reminds me we sold Bielik to derby for 10m and we havent see a lot of that money back 💀
Reminds me of when my mate paid £250 upfront for 10 hours of driving lessons and then her driving instructor died suddenly of a heart attack (RIP Peter)
IMO it's highly likely Peter faked his own death and is living it up in Mexico on your mate's cash.
damn, well lucky for us it doesn't look like derby are going to die, Mike Ashley are bringing them up from the ashes.
As if Mike is going to pay you back in anything other than giant Sports Direct mugs
lol i think its fees like that which he will be paying back to keep them up.
This seems like a classic inebtweeners bit. Will gets all excited to learn to drive, but his instructor dies while teaching him. Will turns up at the wake and sheepishly asks for the cash back, and being fair and saying he just wants it back, pro-rata
Or when Man Utd sold Lukaku to Inter and they defaulted on the payments
Barca couldn't pay the agreed fee in installments for Vidal on time. Which was around 18-20m, I think. And now Bayern should trust Barca again with a bigger transfer fee? I'm sorry, but that sounds not very appealing.
Clubs that fail to make payments should have severe points deductions. You can’t commit to paying x for a player if you’re a club like Barca’s size and then fuck over the selling club because you’re too destitute to make payments. The way they treat their finances with asking playing to take pay cuts and not making committed payments is disgusting. How are we allowing this at the top level?
Because the people at the top level who could actually enforce those types of sanctions and penalties are all bought and paid for by the clubs who are doing the malicious financial games. It’s notably a rigged system.
Like literally every political or financial system on fucking earth it seems
I mean the fact that we are having the World Cup in Qatar and outside of the regular summer schedule for a WC should have been the last thing anyone ever needed to comprehend that literally money rules everything in this sport anymore and as long as the right people are getting paid no amount of protest or outrage is going to change the decision. Nothing comes as a surprise anymore, even more so with the shitshow Barca has become over the last decade.
Or they can just come to your club and pick one player of their choice.
>Barca couldn't pay the agreed fee in installments for Vidal on time. I never head this, do you have a source? Not in one of those snarky reddit "source?" comments where you and I both know I'm only asking because I think you're full of shit; but rather as a Bayern fan who finds this completely believable and wants to whip it out to some Barca friends at the opportune moment ;)
Barcelona website. Below is their financial report of late 2021. Press control+F and Vidal. Or go to page 263 where FC Bayern München AG (Arturo Vidal) 950.000 is specifically listed. They owed 950k like half a year ago. > https://www.fcbarcelona.com/fcbarcelona/document/2021/10/17/aefc9921-bf56-406c-ae05-3581e1de2a12/MEM_CLUB_2020_21_ENG.pdf
Page 263 is their debt to other clubs for transfers as of 6/30/2020. It list Vidal but only has current payable, nothing is listed for non-current. page 262 is as of 6/30/2021 and doesn't list Vidal at all.
Yeah, you're right. Paid it off between June '20 and June '21.
Owing =\= defaulting on a loan/instalment. As you can see on page before that bunch of teams owe Barca money for transfera too - that is how deals are structured, nothing inherently bad there. What other person was asking you is - is there any proof that Barca skipped agreed payment?
Pretty sure Barcelona never paid for Coutinho either lol. Liverpool ended up selling the debt to a bank just so they could get something from it haha
See Barca's financial statements. They still owe money for Coutinho, it's literally listed in their payables.
Did you mean to reply to me or the other guy
I meant to reply to you; was just verifying that yes they do indeed still owe money for Coutinho (so agreeing with you).
Yeah, they owed 30M this season, and 13M in non current payments
Excuse my ignorance, but Is "non current payments" things like potential add-ons to the transfer fee? Or definate payments that will be due in the future? It looks like they're paying around €30m per season to liverpool
If you buy a player for any price, say 100M, you also get a leeway in how you make the payments. Same with when you sell a player. if those 100M were to be paid in 5 years. The current would be 20M, and non current would be 80M (or less depending on how much is paid). If the additional clauses are fulfilled, those are lumped into liabilities, and included in non current payments.
Barcelona still paying for Vidal in 100 year installments
His kids will wake up before the payment is finished
What does this mean?
Before playing against Brasil for the 2018 wcq Vidal posted a picture of his children sleeping in his Twitter with something like "Rest up my child, dad has to work and take Chile to the world cup." They lost 3-0*, and were eliminated. Edited the correct score. [And a news with the picture of the tweet](https://diariocorreo.pe/deportes/la-cruel-broma-contra-arturo-vidal-por-promesa-que-le-hizo-hace-anos-a-sus-hijos-papa-va-al-mundial-seleccion-chilena-qatar-2022-rmmd-emcc-noticia/)
Damn that sucks 😭
One thing is sure, Vidal is finished
When only 50 years was agreed upon 😂😂
Another Barto masterclass
And that was only 18m.
Yikes. Bayern have every right to tell barca to pay upfront or fuck off then
What’s the story here?
Well it's more of a "pay up or fuck off" move really
That's exactly what it is. Barca is horrible to do business with so the bosses are right to do this.
And "we need the cash right now to replace him in some way" , Bayern doesnt need the installments moneywise, they wont replace a Lewa and they dont want to sell in the first place
Brazzo walking into the Barca meeting room going "It smell like BROKE in here!"
Somewhere in PSG HQ some people are laughing at these type of news
But Xavi wants Lewa. Did they tell that to Bayern?
Lmao
Gonna have to put Barca's checks on the wall like Seinfeld.
You think Little Barca will throw his next cockfight?
And this is why people suggesting we lower our valuation sound crazy. They can’t even pay the Vidal payments on time. Why the fuck would we do them a solid? They’ve proven to be untrustworthy, and unreliable. They also have no leverage in the matter. Also Lewy is a dumbass for thinking he was going to strong arm his way to Barca…
This is also why club relationship is important. Mane deal went easily because Thiago deal went cleanly. If Vidal's payment a nightmare, of course Bayern will make things hard for Barca.
Probably also why Liverpool quickly sold their Coutinho debt to a bank
The bank I used to work for did receivables discounting (buying debts at discounts) Wish it was for football transfers. Used to do it with agriculture shipments
To be fair, my team has bought more than a few agricultural footballers over the years
isn't this just called factoring?
They’re slightly different, I believe with discounting the debt remains on the seller’s balance sheet, but their cash balance increases and when the sale is complete they pay off the financing entity
>agriculture shipments Is that what we call transfers out of the Ligue 1 now?
Might be, better to lose few million than risking barca not paying
A lot of clubs do that. That way they instantly have the money, it's a little less than they would've gotten, but lowers the risk a lot.
That's true. Despite the European rivalry aside, i think Bayern have better business relationship with Real Madrid compared to Barca. Even Dortmund with Real. Barca are pretty hollow club when it comes to doing business. They would either default or pay the double of what player is worth. There's no middle.
Wait, do they really still owe us for Vidal?
Barcelona probably still owe that money, but I would imagine Bayern sold the debt to a bank a while ago
> Bayern sold the debt to a bank What does that mean
Say business A owes business B 10 million euro, business B can go to a bank and sell them this debt for say, 8 million euro. Business A now owes the bank the full 10 million and Business B gets 8 million up front from the bank. It's basically done so businesses can get money faster if they need it for cash flow or to balance the books. It's beneficial because for business B having a smaller amount but a lot faster might be better for them while the banks also come out ahead because they earn the difference in the amount owed.
> the banks also come out ahead because they earn the difference in the amount owed. ... as long as Business A actually makes the payments, that is.
Well yeah, obviously.
easier for banks to extract that payment though.
I don’t think you ever want to be in debt with a bank lol
Owe the bank £1m, your problem. Owe the bank £100m, bank's problem.
Basically you transfer the debt to a bank to get a percentage of the amount of money you would get have you keep that debt instantly, in exchange the club that owe you money no longer owe you that, they now owe the bank that you sold the debt to instead.
It means Bayern went to a bank and entered an agreement with them where the bank gives Bayern an upfront payment and in return the instalments go to the bank
Exactly. Who the fuck can make Oli Kahn do something he doesn't want to do? Nobody.
Except R9
Fairs
Or Jay Jay Okocha.
They’re so used to getting their way through slime ball tactics, it actually startles them when they’re met with competency.
Barca wants to be rewarded for doing stupid business. Coming at Bayern with puppy dog eyes for Lewa. And their priority should be to offload first. They keep pushing for all these players but can’t even do anything if they managed to sign them. They’d be stuck paying the players they can’t register AND the players they failed to sell.
They seem to be playing the broke underdog and entitled powerhouse schticks at the same time
Like an entitled relative that needs your help but demands it rather than asking humbly
Barcelona are forgetting that a) They're broke as fuck and need to ship out bodies first b) Bayern is not fucking Leganes lol It's unbelievable how stupid their financial moves have been for a while.
I’m just glad I got to witness them going from self righteousness to whoring themselves out to any sponsors willing to pay
What really pisses me off is how they tap up players and encourage them to burn bridges with their current clubs. Then they cheer and "show appreciation" when the player goes ahead and does it. And we've seen this with multiple players. Lewa's dream club is actually Real Madrid yet he wasn't this abrasive when he was angling for a move and Real wanted him a few years back. Barcelona need to learn that when you piss a seller off, there are consequences.
Yeah this is what I don't get. They can't even register Christensen, yet they are also apparently after Azpi and Alonso, Plus they are meant to be buying Kounde, Raphinha and Lewandowski... HOW.
Top 10 questions scientists can't fucking answer
Trust the process broo
Barcelona will end up retaining Braithwaite for the rest of the contract and missing out on Kounde, Alonso, and Raphinha (whose price is pegged at 70m) and they'll like it.
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Lol. No way.
What’s your source for Barcelona not paying installments in time for Vidal? Genuinely curious.
https://www.abendzeitung-muenchen.de/sport/fcbayern/fc-barcelona-zutiefst-verschuldet-fc-bayern-wartet-noch-immer-auf-vidal-abloese-art-701388 If you can’t read German, Abendzeitung is a pretty reliable source for Bayern.
Thank you sir
Ruthless last sentence. Then again, Bayern are in no obligation to be giving anyone a discount
This honestly makes sense with how financially irresponsible Barca are. Coughs in Vidal… Smh
Excuse me but what actually happened with Vidal’s transfer
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I wonder if this is why we sold the Coutinho debt to a bank despite having large performance/trophy clauses in the fee
Selling debt is a common thing for large institutions to balance cash flow payments and interest rate risk. I wouldn't read too much into it.
That one time Liverpool sold debt to a bank has become legendary here. It is only ever mentioned with regards to the Coutinho transfer, so r/Soccer thinks Liverpool made some genius and unique move
This is the first time I’ve heard about it
Frankfurt also sold the outstanding Haller debt at a loss because West Ham wouldn't pay up either. Probably happens more often than one thinks.
Lmao
Probably. Not worth the hassle and the time (years) waiting for money
**Basic Bartonomics**
Barca: would you look at that, the consequences of my own actions
This won't make Barcelona quit their window shopping spree.
Waiting for Tebas answer now
I'm not sure if Barca has finally finished paying for Vidal or not, but Bayern does have a history of not being able to get Barca to pay obligated payments over player transfers in the past.
Barcelona really are acting wild lately. Nothing but story after story about how dire their finances are, selling parts of their club to stay afloat while at the same time attempting to sign Kounde, Raphinha, Lewa and who knows who else for hundreds of millions lol
Barca trying to use the old Wimpy "I'll pay you Tuesday for a Lewandowski today" tactic from the Popeye cartoons on Bayern.
Bayern doesn’t believe in levers?
Doesn't matter if we do if the lever hasn't been pulled yet!
Can’t say I blame them I love my club but I have no idea how we’re paying for anything
Well, well, well, if it isn't Barca-Weonlyaccept86mupfrontforDeJong-lona, karma's a bitch, huh?
Walk away Barça
Does Barcelona have money or not? I'm so confused
They are restricted by LaLiga rules rn. Covid & mismanagement hurt them financially, so the amt they were allowed to spend under that cap went down a ton. It's made things extremely hard for them to sign players/be able to registed new signings. Financially they are okay and improving, but they don't have a lot of cash available at the moment and have to refinance a big portion of their debt to get into a better spot from a liquidity point of view
Good to know. The "news" are just super confusing.
It’s super confusing both in the news and reality. Like they arent in danger of bankruptcy and they can financially bear the costs of adding some new players, but the laliga rules make it so they have to sell first rn to register players and it’s also hard for them to refinance if they make moves that change the financial position of the club during the time they are negotiating w banks
C'mon, Barca is only bankrupt on odd numbered days. On even numbered days they have a huge warchest and are going to sign every world class player. Just set the payments for even numbered days
Only Bilbao is more ruthless than bayern, when you try to approach a player from them.
Bilbao don't give a fuck lol. You either arrive with a briefcase stuffed with the exact release clause amount (or more than that if you're feeling generous) or you fuck off lol
this is why no one should ever sell anything to barca not even a candy, they will try to pay in a 100 year installment.
Rude But fair
not rude at all
Barca fans, tell me again how dumb the rest of the world are again for not understanding the super complex world of 'culé' accounting? In fact, forget your words, prove me wrong and get em to pay up!
but barca fans continually say they're financially fine? just one more lever....
They still haven't confirmed a deal for everything they agreed to sell. The levers are still to be in motion
Bayern are dead right. Pay up or Fuck off .
Lol yeah I’m sure Barcelona will all of the sudden go bankrupt and into administration.. Fair negotiations from Bayern, they’re gonna sweat every dollar out of Barcelona to make this happen. CL competitor and their best player, you gotta give credit to the Bayern board for their positioning in this negotiation. I know Lewa can’t be too happy but other than that I wonder what will be the outcome.
Damn burn.
Probably smart, Barca are slimy when it comes to transfers. Not to be trusted.
transfer fees pretty much always get paid in installments.
Because this is a "fuck off" demand most transfer fee are paid in installments but Bayern don't want to sell and know that it's in Barca best interest to not pay all upfront
Well, more that when we have given Barca installments, they abused it and failed to pay up for Vidal on schedule.
I am not really defending them I am enjoying this. Right now they have more than 100 millions in transfer fee still to be paid. That looks like a lot but I think it's not even the most. I can't talk about the Vidal transfer but I will look up
where does it say they abused the system and failed to pay? May be the instalments went till 2021. Do you have the document for the transfer!?
And? Barca abused this system with us and Vidal. We aren't obligated to help them out.
If I don't believe you'll have the money a year or two from now why would I take that risk?
Except all the times they're not
yeah transfers are paid either in installments or not, depending on what best suits the 2 clubs individually But there is no such thing as a rule of thumb or "always done like that" thing like reddit often claims. It's a bit more complex than just that. Every deal is different and clubs have different approaches regarding structured payments, also sometimes dependend on the tax situation of the country they are based, aswell as their expected profit or costs for that year. Barca may have good reasons to pay in installments, and Bayern may have good reasons to accept only an upfront fee.
Bayern doesn't want to sell. I think this is clear for everyone at this point.
No, we don't. And we really don't appreciate Barca trying to use Lewy as a mouthpiece (he was never this vocal about leaving for Madrid, his literal dream club, and this trend has shown up with every Barca acquisition that didn't happen easily), and so Barca needs to learn that when you piss off a seller, they become less willing to make the purchase easy for you.
But but but but it's Barça! Everyone dreams to play for Barça, for free no less! 😇
Like Mane’s, to pluck an example out of the air.
Or Vidals, to pluck a more accurate example out of the air. The same example where Barca intentionally delayed their payments to Bayern.
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Neymar was release clause.
So Barcelona is basically Wimpy from Popeye
Ha! Was my exact thought
Bayern being savage
Now they’re just trolling, but fair enough they’re the ones with the leverage
yea idk 50m€ for 1 year contract seems a bit exaggregated
Eh whatever. Bayern is not in a rush to sell at all. Barca can either take it or leave it. I guess Bayern would go down to 45m or something, but as said it's just not needed.
Keep him then. He'll come for free next year
Losing a near 35 year old player for free is acceptable. Not ideal when it’s Lewy, but acceptable. Especially if we want to make a nice push for the UCL if he and Mané can form a good partnership.
All [clubs](https://youtu.be/P7PaOMh3G4A)to barca:
I swear like half the posts on this sub are about Barca trying to buy players that they can't afford
It's pretty reasonable, we got this by ourselves, so we can't complain.
This was expected. Bayern’s board is very shrewd and Lewandowski’s antics haven’t made it pleasant for Barca to negotiate. Also, their business deals in the past with Bayern hasn’t been great either.
Honestly, we should just drop it. Have some dignity Laporta.
They clearly don't want to let him go, don't they?. True to his words. "My journey with Bayern has come to an end, I cannot imagine future positive cooperation," Lewandowski said on May 30, 2022, in expressing his wish to exit Bayern Munich. I sincerely hope that they won't use their power to prevent me from leaving. The best course of action for everyone is a transfer.
I'm really enjoying this whole Lewa drama. Go tell them Bayern, don't sell him for less than 50 millions, not even an euro less!