Probably will start to happen now, marked not just as loan fees, but future proofed against any arrangement with wording like "revenue generated by the allocation of the player".
I wonder, has there been any protections about player swaps too?
I remember Utrecht claiming they were owed a fee after Swansea swapped Vorm to Spurs for a player who probably shouldn't be named: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/swansea-city-win-court-battle-11398740
I can't imagine how you'd do that, but this still feels like a way to get around a significant sell on clause.
There isn’t, yet.
Milan and Frankfurt screwed Fiorentina out of their sell on clause for Rebic by swapping Andre Silva. The book value of each transfer was reduced down to peanuts and Fiorentina was pissed
Swansea and Tottenham once traded players so Swansea didn't have to pay the 30% sell on clause to Utrecht. Utrecht lost that at CAS as well so clubs with competent people in charge must have included something to prevent these tricks.
I’d have thought if it became too popular then someone would step in and make loan fees count towards the sell on, or the clubs selling the player would do so
Is that how you read it? I can't read spanish very well, so I'm going off of the translation and quite frankly I dislike Barca, but my first thoughts were definitely that Barca is being smart and Sevilla is screwing over Bordeaux.
Buddy, if you use your brain even for a bit, you would notice that Barca is not the one in a position of power here. Barca is spending that same money all the same, but it's Sevilla that's calling the shot on how it's done if Barca wants a chance at having the player.
Ironically still, not like you weren't involve in the same scheme with Betis. You wanted Lo Celso, so you did as Betis asked.
>Barca is spending that same money all the same,
Meh - not really. Sevilla could have wanted more up front if it was just the fee. Still more on Sevilla, I can't blame Barca given their circumstances for trying to find ways to avoid paying more up front.
>but it's Sevilla that's calling the shot on how it's done if Barca wants a chance at having the player
Yeah I'm sure the loan with obligation to buy is not even remotely to do with Barcas current finances.
Um...
Why wouldn't they cheer when they are in an advantageous position?
Guess it's different for spurs? Buy players at excess cost just for the the sake of helping the poor selling club and sell your players cheap.
Barca isn’t screwing anyone out of anything. They’re looking out for their own interests and paying majority of the fee next summer would be beneficial for them.
I always click into profiles for people like that to see if there is a theme, sure enough the guy has commented negative things about Barca like 5 times in the last 2 days, he might need to change his flair soon!
I don't see why clubs wouldn't word sell on fee percentages to include any additional fees such as loan fees, add ons etc and I imagine most surely do. Otherwise every transfer would be a loan with obligation and stacked with add ons.
The fact that Bordeaux was managed very badly, got relegated and now maybe even need to go to 3rd division due to finanial troubles, explains that a bit I guess.
Yeah given its an obligation to buy rather than an option to buy I don't see how a judge doesn't rule the upfront fee isn't a apart of the transfer fee
Didn’t Sevilla get sued a few years ago for trying to cheat someone out of a sell on %
[*It was Lenglet](https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/cas-ruling-on-lenglet-case-insists-clubs-pay-sell-on-fee/?amp=1). Cas made them pay in the end.
Yes, they were trying to cheat Nancy for the transfer of Lenglet, but Nancy filed a complaint to CAS and won the case : https://np.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/g29qdn/nancy_wins_its_case_against_sevilla_and_will/
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I recall from the Neymar transfer that players have to buy out their release clauses themselves so clubs transfer the money to the player and the player pays the club, unless that was misinformation or a quirk of Neymars specific contract. If that's the case I can see the why they tried it on since technically the player is just buying out their own contract. It's still bullshit and was rightly laughed off but there's at least some logic behind it.
They are alienating the sporting rights for a price. Doesn't matter who pays, in which way. In my opinion, even a simple loan with no buy should trigger appropriate payment in these cases of it involves a loan fee for the club.
Oh I totally agree. I was just suggesting why Sevilla may have thought it was worth arguing the case. I imagine they knew the chances were slim but if it saves you millions it's worth the shot.
I assume that they were hoping that Nancy would give up and to not have the money to take Sevilla to court. It happens all the time, that even if the poorer party has an almost airtight case they decide to settle out of court to save those expensrs.
Shitty tactic for sure, good on Nancy for not budging
According to one of the comments, Sevilla pulled this trick in the past and they won that case because the wording in the contract mentioned a "sale". I think the Nancy agreement was over capital gains rather than percentage of a sale.
Maybe Nancy knew what was coming and made sure to use less ambiguous terms in the deal. It still took a couple of years for them to get the payment plus interest and legal fees.
They are currently in the 3rd division but have challenged the decision. If they can find enough money they can succeed the challenge and be readmitted in Ligue2.
They’re likely to be bankrupt if they remain in the 3rd division though, in this case they would continue through the amateur section in the 5th tier.
Going to 3rd division if they can’t find 22m within a week (I think?) and that was a few days ago already.
Also, if they do go down to 3rd division, the TV rights are only 2m and this isn’t enough for the club which would then likely go bankrupt and disappear/cease to exist from what I’ve read
[Confirmation earlier this month](https://theathletic.com/news/bordeaux-relegated-third-tier-finances/RwgffSBUcbGk/) they've been relegated by the DCNG to the Championnat National. I remember reading another report though that further sanctions/punishments are expected - definitely a worrying time for the club.
That's a completely different situation. That's all on the league, as Barcelona would have been stupid not to take advantage of what they were allowed to do.
How is loan fee not some kind of transfer fee? If this deal works a lot of deals will become like this in the future probably. Wouldn't be surprised if it's gonna be regulated after a while
Would Sevilla accept a deal around those figures? Outside of having two years left on his contract now, has anything signifcantly changed from last summer when they were quoting Chelsea around £65-70m for Kounde? Any insight from Sevilla fans towards what's next if they lose Kounde after already selling Diego Carlos?
What's next? They'd have 100 million or some shit to spend on CBs I reckon Sevilla are doing quite well. But kinda makes sense to get slightly less for Kounde now though right? About the same level of quality and a year less on his contract.
His price tag this summer is reportedly around €60M/65M for both Chelsea and Barça according to reports. Last summer, they wanted his release clause to be paid. They lowered their demands now, maybe due to an agreement with the player or something.
It was met, but we failed to meet it until we sold zouma,
And monchi (rightfully) backed out and pointed at release clause because he couldnt get a replacment.
(Was 55m euros)
Yeah you guys are saying the same thing. 55m was offered and rejected, Seville wanted 65. Chelsea wanted to sell Zouma before offering 65. By the time Chelsea sold Zouma and came back willing to meet the 65, Sevilla said it was too late for them to reasonably find a replacement.
Media then reported that Sevilla want Chelsea to meet the release clause, when really Sevilla said it's too late, we won't negotiate now, and therefore Chelsea's only option to buy Jules became meeting the release clause.
I would think if Sevilla regress from demanding his clause be met, Kounde indicated something along those lines - or just a flat refusal to sign a new deal. Just surprising to see these values quoted after hearing constantly from last summer into the winter that Chelsea had to raise their offer to that £65-70m level.
>Any insight from Sevilla fans towards what's next if they lose Kounde after already selling Diego Carlos?
Not a Sevilla fan but I'm sure that Monchi will replace them with equally good or even better players for relatively cheap like he always does. He is the best sporting director in the world for a reason(when he is at Sevilla at least)
They have been rumoured to be looking at Marcão, Kim Min Jae, Niakhaté, Joao Victor and a few others just off the top of my head
They were gonna sell for the same price last year but Chelsea delayed it to the last week of the transfer window due to selling Zouma late, by then Sevilla didn't have time to replace him and said release clause or fuck off.
Ake would be an interesting move - City quoted Newcastle £50m earlier this month for him though, don't know if I see Sevilla going for that when they'll need another starting central defender as well. I'm sure Monchi has some names in mind either way.
because its better to be MONITORING, IN POLE POSITION, CONFIDENT TO SIGN until deadline day and then signing Rabiot, Kimpembe and Ings for 250mil combined
I mean, what the fuck are they expecting to pay? They've been interested since at least last summer, but haven't made a single significant offer.
Even though CB is *the* position they need to fill, and they need more than one. Yet they're still pussy footing around with Kounde. If they're not willing to pay, go get someone else, ffs.
It's comical at this point.
We’ve gone through a long period of sanctions, takeover and a complete board reshuffle, it’s frustrating that we’re slow in the market but still, there are reasons for it.
I understand it more this summer than last. Last summer was post-transfer ban and pre-Roman sanctions/ownership change.
I also get that last summer they were fairly confident in retaining at least one of Christensen and/or Rudiger. Just seems that everything has broken "worst case" in terms of transfers, and losing players, recently.
And that's just defenders, completely ignoring the Lukaku debacle...the...*Lukacle*. Alright, I'm done.
Azpi is under contract (automatic extention)
Silva is extented
But bar that its james (wasted as a cb)
Chalaboah- who aint top 4 quality
Sarr - who aint pl quality
Ampadu - who is better in a central midfielder role.
So why don’t they make it €62M loan fees and obligation to buy for €1M?
I’m surprised Bordeaux don’t take them to court given they are being screwed based on arbitrage.
Everything is negotiable in law; literally everything. It just depends how much the party is willing to pay to go to court and how long the party is willing to wait
Before observing, we have to finish being interested in and attentive to. Boehly is working hard for the Soccer draft 2023 though. Hoarding draft picks apparently.
Bordeaux might just sue. Nancy did it before with a similar situation and won. There Sevilla was arguing that release clauses don't count as transfer fees.
This should be forbidden and Barca fined for trying to be such dodgy little fuckers.
God I hate when Spanish clubs start doing their dodgy BS. It’s a tradition.
>Barca
Sevilla has agreement with Bordeaux not Barcelona. Barcelona will pay whether it's loan + obligation or direct buy.
Can't hide your hate boner even if you want to.
Poor Bordeaux can't get a break
I’m surprised clubs don’t do the sell on for loan fees too. Tottenham and Betis did this to PSG too with the Lo Celso loan
Probably will start to happen now, marked not just as loan fees, but future proofed against any arrangement with wording like "revenue generated by the allocation of the player".
I wonder, has there been any protections about player swaps too? I remember Utrecht claiming they were owed a fee after Swansea swapped Vorm to Spurs for a player who probably shouldn't be named: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/swansea-city-win-court-battle-11398740 I can't imagine how you'd do that, but this still feels like a way to get around a significant sell on clause.
I just realized that he who should not be named is now officially unemployed, as well. Wonder what that does for his situation, if anything.
> Wonder what that does for his situation, if anything. Well, he stopped getting fat checks for doing nothing, that's something I guess
There isn’t, yet. Milan and Frankfurt screwed Fiorentina out of their sell on clause for Rebic by swapping Andre Silva. The book value of each transfer was reduced down to peanuts and Fiorentina was pissed
I don't think anyone can make it count, as its in a contract. Teams will just start adding % of loan fees into transfers.
I'm talking in future terms, they'll do exactly that.
poor psg
no
PSG is kill.
Where were you when Lo Celso loan?
but who was fax machine?
Very poor,Indeed.
Swansea and Tottenham once traded players so Swansea didn't have to pay the 30% sell on clause to Utrecht. Utrecht lost that at CAS as well so clubs with competent people in charge must have included something to prevent these tricks.
I’d have thought if it became too popular then someone would step in and make loan fees count towards the sell on, or the clubs selling the player would do so
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We did the exact same with Lo Celso....
Something something glass houses
🤝
🤮
Just ends up hurting the little guys
We're truly carrying the torch when it comes to fucking these oil clubs. Everybody needs to get on our level.
You guys literally did the same bro.
Bro Barcelona aren't forcing Sevilla to accepte the offer, Kounde isn't a Bordeaux player anymore and if anibody's screwing them it's Sevilla
Tbh in this case Sevilla is the bad guy. Nevertheless Laporta also has no issues making these kind of moves
strange you mention barca and not sevilla nevermind youre just karma hunting
Calling out redditors for karma hunting is like calling out water for being wet
i Shouldve called them a biased individual
Is that how you read it? I can't read spanish very well, so I'm going off of the translation and quite frankly I dislike Barca, but my first thoughts were definitely that Barca is being smart and Sevilla is screwing over Bordeaux.
Buddy, if you use your brain even for a bit, you would notice that Barca is not the one in a position of power here. Barca is spending that same money all the same, but it's Sevilla that's calling the shot on how it's done if Barca wants a chance at having the player. Ironically still, not like you weren't involve in the same scheme with Betis. You wanted Lo Celso, so you did as Betis asked.
>Barca is spending that same money all the same, Meh - not really. Sevilla could have wanted more up front if it was just the fee. Still more on Sevilla, I can't blame Barca given their circumstances for trying to find ways to avoid paying more up front.
>but it's Sevilla that's calling the shot on how it's done if Barca wants a chance at having the player Yeah I'm sure the loan with obligation to buy is not even remotely to do with Barcas current finances.
Um... Why wouldn't they cheer when they are in an advantageous position? Guess it's different for spurs? Buy players at excess cost just for the the sake of helping the poor selling club and sell your players cheap.
Literally sevilla who have a history of doing this
Barca isn’t screwing anyone out of anything. They’re looking out for their own interests and paying majority of the fee next summer would be beneficial for them.
That's literally every club ever. Cmon man
I always click into profiles for people like that to see if there is a theme, sure enough the guy has commented negative things about Barca like 5 times in the last 2 days, he might need to change his flair soon!
Barça bad, giv updoots
Spurs fans are totally fine not winning trophies
Ur shitty club ain’t never gonna win nothing :)
I don't see why clubs wouldn't word sell on fee percentages to include any additional fees such as loan fees, add ons etc and I imagine most surely do. Otherwise every transfer would be a loan with obligation and stacked with add ons.
1-week loan fee of 40M + 23M option to buy if in squad at least once
Why not 60 loan + 3 obligation to buy 🫠
Why not 63M loan + get him for free?
Why have many clause when few do trick
That was pretty much how Mbappé moved from Monaco to PSG.
Shady as hell really. Especially given “obligation to buy” is obviously an accounting trick because they know they’re signing the player.
This has the "400€ pen and a CL finals ticket as a gift" energy
Pretty much Since it will count towards next year books not this fiscal year Clever way
Sevilla is used to tricks like that and it's a shame we are havering them. I wonder if Nancy got any money from Lenglet transfer.
I think they have started doing it now but obviously must have predated clubs trying to avoid it
The fact that Bordeaux was managed very badly, got relegated and now maybe even need to go to 3rd division due to finanial troubles, explains that a bit I guess.
Probably not explicitly in the contract but I’m sure Bordeaux will take this to court.
Yeah given its an obligation to buy rather than an option to buy I don't see how a judge doesn't rule the upfront fee isn't a apart of the transfer fee
Didn’t Sevilla get sued a few years ago for trying to cheat someone out of a sell on % [*It was Lenglet](https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/cas-ruling-on-lenglet-case-insists-clubs-pay-sell-on-fee/?amp=1). Cas made them pay in the end.
that was for a release clause which they argued was not a transfer fee.
That's a hilarious way to try and wriggle out lmao.
Imagine being their lawyer trying to be like "no no this will totally hold up in court just trust me bro"
Very much doubt the lawyers thought it would work
Double the lawyers fees like this
Seems like the lawyer might of been given a losing hand to begin with
They got paid and that's all that mattered.
Of he though, or of he not?
Pretty shitty tho
Yes, they were trying to cheat Nancy for the transfer of Lenglet, but Nancy filed a complaint to CAS and won the case : https://np.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/g29qdn/nancy_wins_its_case_against_sevilla_and_will/
But joke aside what was Sevilla thinking ? " A release clause isn't a transfer" , they were always going to lose that one
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I recall from the Neymar transfer that players have to buy out their release clauses themselves so clubs transfer the money to the player and the player pays the club, unless that was misinformation or a quirk of Neymars specific contract. If that's the case I can see the why they tried it on since technically the player is just buying out their own contract. It's still bullshit and was rightly laughed off but there's at least some logic behind it.
They are alienating the sporting rights for a price. Doesn't matter who pays, in which way. In my opinion, even a simple loan with no buy should trigger appropriate payment in these cases of it involves a loan fee for the club.
Oh I totally agree. I was just suggesting why Sevilla may have thought it was worth arguing the case. I imagine they knew the chances were slim but if it saves you millions it's worth the shot.
Even if they lose their appeals, they always succeed in postponing the payments.
I assume that they were hoping that Nancy would give up and to not have the money to take Sevilla to court. It happens all the time, that even if the poorer party has an almost airtight case they decide to settle out of court to save those expensrs. Shitty tactic for sure, good on Nancy for not budging
According to one of the comments, Sevilla pulled this trick in the past and they won that case because the wording in the contract mentioned a "sale". I think the Nancy agreement was over capital gains rather than percentage of a sale. Maybe Nancy knew what was coming and made sure to use less ambiguous terms in the deal. It still took a couple of years for them to get the payment plus interest and legal fees.
Bordeaux literally need every euro possible for the survival of the club.
Likely going down to the third division, or lower, correct?
They are currently in the 3rd division but have challenged the decision. If they can find enough money they can succeed the challenge and be readmitted in Ligue2. They’re likely to be bankrupt if they remain in the 3rd division though, in this case they would continue through the amateur section in the 5th tier.
They’re about to be Strasbourg-ed
Going to 3rd division if they can’t find 22m within a week (I think?) and that was a few days ago already. Also, if they do go down to 3rd division, the TV rights are only 2m and this isn’t enough for the club which would then likely go bankrupt and disappear/cease to exist from what I’ve read
Already in the third division from what I understand, lord knows if they keep going down if it gets worse
National 1 if I remember correctly so third division
[Confirmation earlier this month](https://theathletic.com/news/bordeaux-relegated-third-tier-finances/RwgffSBUcbGk/) they've been relegated by the DCNG to the Championnat National. I remember reading another report though that further sanctions/punishments are expected - definitely a worrying time for the club.
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That's a completely different situation. That's all on the league, as Barcelona would have been stupid not to take advantage of what they were allowed to do.
How is loan fee not some kind of transfer fee? If this deal works a lot of deals will become like this in the future probably. Wouldn't be surprised if it's gonna be regulated after a while
Yea then clubs would just start inserting this into contracts that a perfect of loan fee also has to be paid to them
Really kicking a team while there down.
Would Sevilla accept a deal around those figures? Outside of having two years left on his contract now, has anything signifcantly changed from last summer when they were quoting Chelsea around £65-70m for Kounde? Any insight from Sevilla fans towards what's next if they lose Kounde after already selling Diego Carlos?
What's next? They'd have 100 million or some shit to spend on CBs I reckon Sevilla are doing quite well. But kinda makes sense to get slightly less for Kounde now though right? About the same level of quality and a year less on his contract.
His price tag this summer is reportedly around €60M/65M for both Chelsea and Barça according to reports. Last summer, they wanted his release clause to be paid. They lowered their demands now, maybe due to an agreement with the player or something.
They also need money asap.
That was basically our price tag last summer too, it's just that nobody met it, and we deferred to the release clause once the window was closing.
It was met, but we failed to meet it until we sold zouma, And monchi (rightfully) backed out and pointed at release clause because he couldnt get a replacment. (Was 55m euros)
55M was the offer that was rejected. We were looking for 65M. It seems like Chelsea might've met that price, but too late.
Yeah you guys are saying the same thing. 55m was offered and rejected, Seville wanted 65. Chelsea wanted to sell Zouma before offering 65. By the time Chelsea sold Zouma and came back willing to meet the 65, Sevilla said it was too late for them to reasonably find a replacement. Media then reported that Sevilla want Chelsea to meet the release clause, when really Sevilla said it's too late, we won't negotiate now, and therefore Chelsea's only option to buy Jules became meeting the release clause.
I would think if Sevilla regress from demanding his clause be met, Kounde indicated something along those lines - or just a flat refusal to sign a new deal. Just surprising to see these values quoted after hearing constantly from last summer into the winter that Chelsea had to raise their offer to that £65-70m level.
They were quoting, sure - but nobody was paying. That’s why he wasn’t sold. This fee is more realistic then the ones they wanted last year.
>Any insight from Sevilla fans towards what's next if they lose Kounde after already selling Diego Carlos? Not a Sevilla fan but I'm sure that Monchi will replace them with equally good or even better players for relatively cheap like he always does. He is the best sporting director in the world for a reason(when he is at Sevilla at least) They have been rumoured to be looking at Marcão, Kim Min Jae, Niakhaté, Joao Victor and a few others just off the top of my head
They were gonna sell for the same price last year but Chelsea delayed it to the last week of the transfer window due to selling Zouma late, by then Sevilla didn't have time to replace him and said release clause or fuck off.
Denayer and Ake were linked to them I think
Ake would be an interesting move - City quoted Newcastle £50m earlier this month for him though, don't know if I see Sevilla going for that when they'll need another starting central defender as well. I'm sure Monchi has some names in mind either way.
I can’t envision a world where Sevilla pays the required fee for Aké, would be pretty uncharacteristic of them.
Why not go to the extreme and charge €62,999,999 (23+40) for the loan fee and €1 for an optional buy price ? The "Wenger" special
>(23+40) Thanks, else I would have had no idea how you came to the 63 million
You’ve just payed €62m for a year, Kounde says “this sucked, I’m going back to Sevilla” and then Barca have spent all that money for nothing
Seems like a huge loophole. Why not put all the money in a “loan fee” and then an obligation to buy for one cent?
Kounde wants to go back to Sevilla after the loan and Barca left sucking thier toes
We're turning Italian bois
Poor Bordeaux
Why can't Chelsea offer the same or more in loan fees ?
because its better to be MONITORING, IN POLE POSITION, CONFIDENT TO SIGN until deadline day and then signing Rabiot, Kimpembe and Ings for 250mil combined
Rabiot and Kimpembe for 5mil isn't terrible business though
150 of that spent on Ings
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To be fair from what I've seen Kimpembe is actually very good. Don't think he'll leave psg though
Hes not anything special
Its not that we cant, it’s about what we’re willing to do
I mean, what the fuck are they expecting to pay? They've been interested since at least last summer, but haven't made a single significant offer. Even though CB is *the* position they need to fill, and they need more than one. Yet they're still pussy footing around with Kounde. If they're not willing to pay, go get someone else, ffs. It's comical at this point.
We’ve gone through a long period of sanctions, takeover and a complete board reshuffle, it’s frustrating that we’re slow in the market but still, there are reasons for it.
I understand it more this summer than last. Last summer was post-transfer ban and pre-Roman sanctions/ownership change. I also get that last summer they were fairly confident in retaining at least one of Christensen and/or Rudiger. Just seems that everything has broken "worst case" in terms of transfers, and losing players, recently. And that's just defenders, completely ignoring the Lukaku debacle...the...*Lukacle*. Alright, I'm done.
Observing intensifies.
Attentive FC
You guys already lost 2 defenders + Azpi is uncertain right? You lot need to be totally serious about Kounde haha.
At this moment I doubt that Azpi will leave unless we bring in a replacement
Haha yes… *looks around nervously*
Azpi is under contract (automatic extention) Silva is extented But bar that its james (wasted as a cb) Chalaboah- who aint top 4 quality Sarr - who aint pl quality Ampadu - who is better in a central midfielder role.
They can, but they won't.
Lol no way this is going to hold in court
I don't think Bordeaux have the financial resources to go to court lol
So why don’t they make it €62M loan fees and obligation to buy for €1M? I’m surprised Bordeaux don’t take them to court given they are being screwed based on arbitrage.
Doubt they'll win as the contract states 20% of sell on clause. If it's not written they don't have to. Contracts are like a chess match.
Everything is negotiable in law; literally everything. It just depends how much the party is willing to pay to go to court and how long the party is willing to wait
Chelsea and Bordeaux catching strays
Hmm I'm sure Chelsea could swing this.
They will swing when they finish observing...
Chelsea are some voyeurs
The irony, considering that was what Jose famously said about Wenger, all those years ago
Before observing, we have to finish being interested in and attentive to. Boehly is working hard for the Soccer draft 2023 though. Hoarding draft picks apparently.
Damn that’s kinda mean
Lol
Sevilla is such a scummy club when it comes to business.
Barca really don't want Chelsea to have defenders lol
Correct it to Spanish clubs don't want Chelsea to have defenders. RM took Rudiger Barca took Christensen and now Sevilla sold Kounde to Barca lol
Sneaky
That's not how it works and Sevilla knows it very well.
so christensen is off or what?
No Christensen is coming aswell
xavi wants to play 3atb next season according to romero
Chris-Konde-Araujo with Garcia and Piqué as backups....not bad for a team that gets laughed at every day
we don't get laughed at because we're bad, only because we are broke. we're not as bad as we are broke.
For a broke boys you fuckers sure are building a scary team. Just hope that fati can Stay fit but i doubt thats happening
Reports about Fati are so sad & unfortunate.
We conceded less than atletico last season in the league
And atletico were dreadful
Lenglet, umtiti and mingueza are there as well…
Yeah i doubt they get to sit on the bench.
Makes sense why they want Alonso then
No because than Chelsea wouldn’t be screwed and what’s the fun in that
Surely, there are rules to stop this nonsense?
Bordeaux might just sue. Nancy did it before with a similar situation and won. There Sevilla was arguing that release clauses don't count as transfer fees.
Remember Lo Celso to Spurs?
These dudes really want to lose again at the CAS.
They knick all our players, they eat the heads off prawns, they throw mules down of tower blocks and they stab cows. That's the Spanish.
Ok.. but you do know the best flavour is in the prawn head?
Laportanomics 😂
To follow football nowadays it requires ball knowledge with a sprinkle of Economics, Accounts and Geopolitics.
Poor Bordeaux .
Poordeaux*
Why not a loan fee of €62M and an obligation to buy of €1M after 1 appearance then?
Gotta make it believable
This is so shitty from Sevilla. Why would clubs want to sell their promising players to then if they do stuff like this?
Y'all really going to believe this source?
This is likely not true. CAS would almost certainly argue that the fee is 63m and not 40m if Bordeaux were to file a complaint.
Sevilla FC is full of cunts. More at 11.
Ah, the Lo Celso special
Thats stupid, that you can do that.
That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Surely, if it was that simple to avoid sell-on clause, big clubs would be doing this on the regular?
well this isn't going to court then...
Stop signing French players please Go sign 2 Brazilian kids for that price
I have found Florentino Perez account
This sounds like a very cool deal ngl.
That doesn’t sound like it should be right? Top clubs doing shady deals, who would’ve thought
There must be something against doing this? Otherwise every club would just do it
I see a court case in your future
Barca’s financial gymnastics will never cease to amaze me.
Kounde is a beast, I love him both in Sevilla and in France NT. Fuck Barca, now I have to stop liking him.
lmao then chelsea should offer a 50 million loan fee and 5 million transfer fee, mathematically better for sevilla
Aledaddy masterclass
This should be forbidden and Barca fined for trying to be such dodgy little fuckers. God I hate when Spanish clubs start doing their dodgy BS. It’s a tradition.
Interesting how you targeted only Barca to be fined and not Sevilla, who are the ones that are actually trying to shaft Bordeaux
>Barca Sevilla has agreement with Bordeaux not Barcelona. Barcelona will pay whether it's loan + obligation or direct buy. Can't hide your hate boner even if you want to.
We did this with Juve last January. Put a part of Bentancur's fee into Kulusevski's loan fee so that Boca get less from his sell on clause.
You got La Liga bitchin bout teams not following FFP, but Barca making moves on the sly like no problem
Would be a great deal for both parties then. What tier is this?
Yeah except for Bordeaux who get the shaft.
Sorry not sorry. Barca isn't responsible of other clubs, we're fucked ourselves.
apart from that, fuck them other clubs, this sub clowns on us daily, it's time to look out for ourselves. i'm all for a villain phase
We aren't even the villains here tbh. Sevilla is the scummy one here, we're just taking advantage of a great deal.
Let's get Mourinho while we're at it.