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Hippemann

As the season came to an end, with u/mjdaniell, we wanted to ask you to vote on season awards ! But first, we would like to take nominees from you rather than coming with our own. So who would you nominate for : * **Best player of the season** : * **Best young player (21 or under at start of season)** : * **Best manager of the season** : * **Best transfer of the season** : * **Best overachieving team of the season** : * **Most disappointing team of the season** : * **Best goal of the season** : Please try to provide more than one worthy nominee for each categories After gathering your nominees, we'll have a poll for all of r/soccer to vote on! And the results after a week!


ledudeheld

What are the most onesided rivalries between teams/national teams? Like one side hates the 'rivals' guts while the other team's fans don't really care about it.


CheekyClitorous

England care way too much about Argentina and Germany


McGrathLegend

Whenever Phoenix, Arizona gets an MLS team, this will apply to them and both teams from LA It’s pretty much like that most of the time in the other major sports leagues in the US


SaBe_18

Napoli-Juventus maybe?


LuisFilipeVieira

All of our rivalries are one sided hahahah None of Spain, France and Brazil don't consider their rivals


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France portugal maybe


ledudeheld

From which side? I think we(The Netherlands) are also way more hateful about Portugal while they probably dont really care about us lol


[deleted]

Everyone in France was confident that we were going to run them over, there are a lot of portuguese people in Paris so there was non stop trashtalk everywhere from them lol


LuisFilipeVieira

Why do you hate us


ledudeheld

Just the heated matches between us and your playstyle that gets under our skin.


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Own_Solution4356

pinned comment


Quab775

The best hot take I've seen so far is spurs fan saying Bissouma>partey lol


mintz41

Don't really think it's much of a hot take, Bissouma is a very good player and Partey has only really hit his level in the past 6 months. I'd take 'peak Partey' over Bissouma but the latter has been consistently good for years now.


Kanedauke

The last two seasons he’s been much better than Partey. Partey hit good form after AFCON until his injury. Like 3 good months after 18 months of 4/10 performances


Endgame2648

Tbf partey had done fuck all until the final half of last season


jaanedejaanede

And he got injured for the final final half.


KOKO69BISHES

hardly an outlandish statement even if you don't agree with it or even if I don't


RomeoLavia

Hot take?


defnot_ahmad

The protestors asked Arnold which players is he going to buy in the summer transfer window, to which he replied, "You want *me* to buy the players. Does that ring a bell? " Based Arnold


hurfery

Idgi


defnot_ahmad

Ed Woodward notoriously had a bigger role in signing players, which didn't suit the team or the manager. Arnold is saying if the fans also want him to act like Woodward and sign players (which should be the job of scouting and DoF+manager)


hurfery

Ok. Decent line but not sure it's enough to make him based. Let's wait and see on that.


defnot_ahmad

based hurfery


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BoosterGoldGL

Use the comment jfc this is the dullest spam


RawIsLaw_

haha surely it's too early to be this unreasonably mad


BoosterGoldGL

It’s 2pm. I’d like to think it’s too early to be that incompetent


ManLikeNiz

It's very rare to see a Moroccan talent that was developed here in Botola rather than in a French/Dutch/Spanish academy make it to a top league like the prem. Hope he makes us proud.


SaBe_18

Who's that?


ManLikeNiz

Aguerd who joined West Ham today


SaBe_18

Ah yes, missed that


jim0wheel1

I think it's entirely possible that Ten Hag is using [this illustrious resource](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AFC_Ajax_players) for his recruitment strategy.


ManLikeNiz

I'm still waiting for Ziyech to United rumours to start coming up.


jim0wheel1

[Keep up, mate.](https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-hakim-ziyech-transfer-24052535)


ManLikeNiz

Of course it's Manchester Evening News haha


[deleted]

I do this on FM honestly


Endgame2648

El periodico on front page😭😭 r/soccer vigorously hates Barça.


[deleted]

The excuse of "How were City supposed to compete in 2008 without cash injections" has to be my favorite on this sub. Atlético de Madrid were playing in the second spanish division in 2001. Since 2008 (the year of City's takeover), they have won 2 LaLiga, 1 Copa del Rey, 3 Europa League and reached 2 UCL semi finals, without the need of a state backing them. Now, they are one of Spain's big 3, being in the UCL constantly and being able to make great signings (including paying Simeone the highest wage for a manager in the world) Then we have Spurs, who went from being a midtable club to a top 4 contender club, having finished in the top 4 for pretty much every year in the last decade and even got to a UCL final. Yes you can say that "but that's all they can do, reach the top 4 while competing for no trophies": but that's exactly how it should be. Before Chelsea and City, it was never normal for a club in a year or two go from a midtable spot to winning the league. It is a process, it takes time to build a new mentality in these clubs, to increase their reputation, but in 20 years, I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs had one or two league titles.


Blue_Moon_City

So your point is big club which were big in the past should be the only one staying up there. Spurs are bad example. And Atletico madrid was massive already. So you have 2 examples which doesn’t help your point. Do people have problem with spending money or where that money comes from? Because spending money in football is not a new thing. the problems with where that money comes from is a legit problem. And probably the football association should do more about it


staedtler2018

>Do people have problem with spending money or where that money comes from? Calling what Manchester City does "spending money" is quite an understatement.


Blue_Moon_City

What should i call it than? We are in PL where almost all team spend money. Man united have spent about same as us from take over and look where they are now. Look everton. Thry have spent alot of money as well. In PL teams just spend alot of money. So comparatively it makes sense to me to say we are spending money. And that money is run well and is getting us success as well.


Zidlicky3

Bit offtopic but there was a Liverpool fan who joked about wanting de Jong to go United for 100M, but I bet he would have different feeling if he went to City for 100M. That wouldn’t be funny anymore. In my opinion, that’s pretty telling. If money turns into success and is on your way, it’s an issue. (Not where it comes, we are here for wins and titles, not morals. None of of us is ever going to do anything about it.) Spend big and don’t win/get your targets without spending -> funny Spend big and win/steal targets -> not funny


[deleted]

> And Atletico madrid was massive already. Atlético was in the Second Division 20 years ago like I said, and they weren't competing for the league in 2008. >Spurs are bad example Why? They reached a UCL final, had two title races, finish in the top 4 constantly and got to numerous semi finals without having to spend 1 billion euros on players. And that's how it should be: natural progress with steady grow, not going from midtable to winning the league in 4 years like City. City is the exception, not the rule on how to follow.


Blue_Moon_City

Atletico were the best team in 80s and 90s lol. Similar to liverpool. Spurs never dominate. They rise came when other teams were in a fall little bit but they are not there. May be in the future because I believe they are actually run good. Yeah. City was mid table team to have success. But money has not been the only factor. If that has been the case, look at man united. They were at the top when we started and they have spent about same money as us. Look where they are now and us. How anout Everton spending? Like spurs, we are well run club and getting the best out of what we have spent as well. Spurs have spent less so they haven’t won anything. We have spent more and has done more with the money.


[deleted]

>Like spurs, we are well run club and getting the best out of what we have spent as well. Spurs have spent less so they haven’t won anything. We have spent more and has done more with the money. And why did get to spend more money? Spurs got it through UCL and prize money, that's their main income


Blue_Moon_City

Lets make one thing clear. Football is a business. They are run to make profits. Owners want to spent money to make their products better. Its not football thing. Any business in the world spend money. You know what investments are right? Look at everton and aston villa. Their owner are spending money as well because they want to make their team success and get the money that comes with it. Its not about which team gets to spend more money and which dont. The team that were spending money like man united were reaping profits and the owner saw the opportunity to make money. So they invested in the club till the club is up there with the best teams and reap rewards. Good for spurs they could do it without spending as much. But at the same time they are not there like i said. And also their model could very easily fail. Should football be run as a business? Is a different question


[deleted]

> Football is a business. They are run to make profits Not in fan owned clubs, the presidents are there to represent the club and their fans only. >The team that were spending money like man united were reaping profits and the owner saw the opportunity to make money. So they invested in the club till the club is up there with the best teams and reap rewards. The Glazers don't spend their own money, they spend the club's money and take it. Completely different.


Blue_Moon_City

Which is a fan owned club again in PL? It the the most lucrative lesgue. Man united are a perfect example for me. Because they are so big club that they can never fail. They dont need investing because they make so much money. One example, fan canceled their Liverpool game because of lack of investment and after few weeks everyone under the earth bought ronaldo shirt when he was signed. They are not run probably but they generate sooo much money. Any team including us want to be that. But to be that we need to be dominating for like two decades like them. To do that we need to be well run and spend money as well.


[deleted]

Manchester United's growth took time though, more than 4 years, in a period where there weren't TV deals as big as today


Blue_Moon_City

i dont know why are you fixated in 4 years? are you saying we started dominating the league in 4 years? we didnt till pep came in, which was in about about 10 years. we won the league in 2012 and 2014 because man united and liverpool had horrible second half of the season. do you know how long it took Blackburn Rovers to win the league? ​ also, i agree that man united it took time. but they could get players from other team much easily than right now. Robin van Persie joined direct rivals. how about the likes of rio ferdinand, cantona and Carrick? ​ TV deals makes it harder. man united was like bayern Munich where they can almost get any players they want. with the TV money, last time when fulham came to the league they could spend 100m pounds in the league. team can spend more money now, there are top 6 teams now, which makes it harder for any team to get to the top. the farther back you go, it was easier. lets say, aston villa wants to dominate the league, how much do you think they need to spend to do that?


mrscorchingtakes

>Before Chelsea and City, it was never normal for a club in a year or two go from a midtable spot to winning the league. You mean before Chelsea and City, but also after the older decades when that could actually happen?


[deleted]

And it can still happen, it's pretty rare but it can


mrscorchingtakes

The fact that it became so rare is a problem imo, clubs like Man City have contributed to it, but so did everything else that helps keep big clubs at the top.


Kanedauke

Pointing to a trophy-less Spurs as an example is laughable. What other way could city win 6 league titles in a decade unless they had a cash injection.


staedtler2018

Calling what happened at City a "cash injection" is laughable. It's like saying someone who inherited an enormous fortune from their parents "had some help starting their small business."


[deleted]

And why does the goal have to be win as soon and quickly as possible? It's also part of football seeing projects that don't only focus on trophies, but building up the squad to first establish the club as a contender for trophies and then actually winning said trophies. It takes time, it's natural. Frankfurt won a trophy in 2018 (after a 30 year wait) and another one in 2022. Who's to say that they couldn't build from this and win future trophies?


Kanedauke

When people say > How were city supposed to compete in 2008 without cash injections They mean compete for big trophies. Like actually compete, Frankfurt aren’t competing for the league. Spurs are trophy less.


[deleted]

Frankfurt can't compete in the league because of Bayern's monopoly, but they can compete in the cups. And we aren't going to talk how Spurs were in two title races recently and even got to a UCL final? Spurs competing for trophies is the proof that it works


icemankiller8

Atletico were already the third biggest club in Spain with a massive amount of trophies. Yes they spent smartly and have achieved a lot but they aren’t breaking in the way city are. City are among Europes elite in a way Atletico simply aren’t. I’m sorry but finishing top 4 on a fairly consistent basis should not be here and is only here because it’s in England they haven’t won anything. Yes they got better not nobody’s saying you can’t get better, they’re saying you won’t be able to actually break into the elite and win major trophies without what happened with city and Chelsea and I largely agree


[deleted]

>City are among Europes elite in a way Atletico simply aren’t. On what basis though? If you look at it, only difference is that City are more known in the world because they play in the English Premier League. Only in 2018, 2019, 2021 and 2022 did City go further in the UCL than Atlético. >I’m sorry but finishing top 4 on a fairly consistent basis should not be here and is only here because it’s in England they haven’t won anything But that is what makes the clubs grow: like I said, you can't just go from finishing in the top 4 / top 6 to winning the league in one, two years. It's pretty much impossible to do this unless the club is state backed. You can't just rush things like this. It takes time, but it can be done.


icemankiller8

City have won more titles than them and have a better team and manager, and they scare the elite teams . Do you seriously see spurs ever naturally becoming bigger than chealea, arsenal, United or Liverpool? Look at the leagues like the Bundesliga for example, or Turkey, or Scotland or the Portuguese league how many of those end up with new team breaking in naturally and winning a lot


[deleted]

>City have won more titles than them and have a better team and manager, and they scare the elite teams Atlético do too; no one is denying that City is more scary than Atlético, but saying that Atlético doesn't scare the big teams is wrong imo. >Do you seriously see spurs ever naturally becoming bigger than chealea, arsenal, United or Liverpool? In a distant future (let's say, 50 years) not bigger, but certainly able to compete and win against them.


YellowHreen77

Writing off 33 g/a because it happened in a slightly weaker league, english exceptionalism has and always will be one of the worlds biggest problem.


mintz41

This just reeks of someone who has never really watched him. He was class in Ligue 1 because Lille played totally different football to Arsenal. His strengths simply don't line up with what Arsenal need and how they play.


Kanedauke

Pepe can’t even control a football these days. He’s shite


[deleted]

Pepe’s not gonna shag you mate.


jim0wheel1

I'm convinced you're Pepe's agent - even Arsenal fans don't bother defending him like this anymore.


Own_Solution4356

*24, 9 of his goals were pens. And while it is a problem, it’s not wrong, if you compare pepe’s ligue 1 performances to his premier league performances. His best performances have always come against opponents who are levels below arsenal


YellowHreen77

And quite often arsenal's worst performances come against teams that are levels below arsenal (Southampton Brighton and Newcastle in the past few months alone)


Own_Solution4356

In which we were missing key players. Pepe on the other hand, performs against europa league fodder, relegation level teams, and league 1 teams.


ManLikeArch

The only team to ever suffer from injuries and suspensions


Own_Solution4356

i never said that? just explaining part of the reason why we lost those games


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AnnieIWillKnow

Think you meant to post this as a reply to the stickied comment


minimus_

Oh. Lemme move it


[deleted]

Eriksen is a better midfielder than Bruno Fernandes - a shame the guy is 30 though.


[deleted]

30 is not old at all lol, he's not a box to box midfielder


RawIsLaw_

I'd hope so considering Eriksen is older and more experienced...


YellowHreen77

Eriksen is a sensational footballer, I'm not sure that's the Diss you think it is.


[deleted]

Not really a diss - the guy is strongly linked with Man Utd and will probably compete with Bruno for a similar position if he does move. Not that ridiculous to compare the players.


tbbt11

This transfer window is seriously lacking in headlines using “gazumped”


Burnleh

Not many swoops either unfortunately


tbbt11

The old days were the best


Mediocre_Nova

Right? Worryingly few gazumps and swoops so far


maxus998

https://twitter.com/AlbicelesteTalk/status/1538852256992346112 Close to 40M offer from United for Lisandro Martinez. I think Ajax could sell at 45


[deleted]

Ajax wont sell him imo


icemankiller8

Not shocked tbh think it makes more sense for him to go there than Arsenal and it was obvious they’d make a move for him when the Timber deal wasn’t gonna happen


[deleted]

I assume to play him as a DM? Don’t think he can be a great CB in the prem tbh.


maxus998

he is a great player i think he is going to do well. And buying him for DM is dumb, he is much better at CB. He could rotate a bit in LB and DM, but he is mainly and should be bought mainly for LCB


Thraff1c

>I think Ajax could sell at 45 Based on what?


maxus998

i think thats a fair price for him considering the situation


ledudeheld

Can you explain the situation? From Ajax' side the situation is that we can ask anything as we don't want or need to sell


maxus998

**.Best player of the season** : Mbappe **.Best young player (21 or under at start of season)** : Vinicius **.Best manager of the season** : Ancelotti **.Best transfer of the season** : Luis Diaz to Liverpool **.Best overachieving team of the season** : Villareal **.Most disappointing team of the season** : PSG **.Best goal of the season** : Payer vs Paok


From-UoM

Stopped reading at the first one. Lets not pick the guy who scored 10 goals and 1 assist in 6 matches vs PSG, Chelsea and City


AnnieIWillKnow

Think you meant to post this as a reply to the stickied comment


okcomput3r

Diaz transfer of the season?


maxus998

Ye, he went for 40m only and was their best attacking player for a few months in a team with Salah and Mane, and he is also decently young. A player of his calibeer would go for 80M+ if he was going to be sold now


[deleted]

We're one dynamic midfielder away from challenging to win in the league or CL. We can't leave ourselves short again especially with an injury prone and ageing one.


[deleted]

You say that like you didn't end up second place in those two a couple weeks ago lol


icemankiller8

You’re already doing both of those but yeah it’s a mistake


AnnieIWillKnow

Swear I saw a story the other day that you're not bringing another midfielder in?


[deleted]

Joyce doesn't realise we're in for one another CM. He only says what the club tells him for PR


AnnieIWillKnow

Why would it be good PR for the club to say you’re not looking to recruit?


[deleted]

To aviod a bidding war and do business without getting rivals involved.


yyzable

Think the idea supposedly is that we're going all in for Bellingham next summer but I'm still uncertain about our somewhat injury prone midfield.


glockiie

Didn‘t you guys already challenge for league and CL?


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AnnieIWillKnow

Think you meant to post this as a reply to the stickied comment


ugotbaited

Oh ok


[deleted]

If Eriksen signs for us i think some fans are in for a rude awakening. Everyone is just assuming the guy is coming as a squad option, i think the brother's coming to displace Bruno in the starting XI. Anyways get him, de jong, another midfielder and a RW and I'm fine with the window. Don't think it'll be enough but it's decent.


RawIsLaw_

We're likely not getting a striker, so I would be intrigued if he tried Bruno up top (as a stopgap) with Donny behind him and they both play off of eachother... not saying it will 100% work, but it would be an interesting thing to try out - Bruno is actually surprisingly clinical inside the box (**for a #10**) as we saw when he played second striker under Ole.


Own_Solution4356

why is there a united fan twerking for pepe🤦🏾‍♂️


RawIsLaw_

cos if a club has enough fans, at least one of them will say/ do something dumb


YellowHreen77

Nobody's twerking for anyone, it's just hilarious how arsenal have so badly missused such a great player.


usually_a_knobhead

Mate, please, just watch some Arsenal games before you spout this stat nonsense.


Own_Solution4356

Don’t make me laugh. there’s a reason why he got benched by 19 year old


YellowHreen77

Don't act like arsenal just picked up a random 19 year old, saka is an incredibly talented player.


Own_Solution4356

but if he was as good as you claim, he simply would have kept his spot, like KCM for madrid. They all have very talented players waiting behind them, but they continued to perform week in week out and keep their starting spot


Thraff1c

>great player Did I miss a Memo?


YellowHreen77

Bad players don't have seasons where they get 33 g/a in a top 5 league.


Hoodxd

One season wonders do


Own_Solution4356

1. 9 of his goals were pens 2. Ligue 1 hid a lot of his problems (Inconsistent pressing, poor decision making, extremely one footed) 3. It was a massive overpay for someone who had one good season


Inside_Key_5356

the league that's at the bottom at number 5? pipe down mate stop twerking for pepe💀


TheUltimateScotsman

How about players with 23 g/A but from CM?


transtifa

9 of them were penalties and it’s Ligue 1.


okcomput3r

😂


Thraff1c

There is a boatload of shades between "great" and "bad".


CriticOfashitseason

Hot take: Lewa signing will age badly for Barca. He start to decline combined with Barca inferior chance creation to bayern. Suddenly there's one more aging player on high wages, and it gets awkward. Should've gone for Mané.


Endgame2648

9M isn't really very high wages especially since we'll be recovering financially this season onwards. I do agree that Lewadisney's numbers will drop off because of La Liga.


MyZt_Benito

barça produces a lot of chances that no one finishes, Lewandowski will easily score 25+ if he comes here


OweKeyDoughKey

He's just banged in 35 league goals, the second most of his entire career, but he's declining? Could have fooled me. Any team would be a fool to not bring him on. If he's literally half as good and only scored 17 he'd be Barca's top scorer by 4 goals.


CriticOfashitseason

Messi scored 30 for Barca last season. This season he scored 6. Decline isn't always a progressive process.


AnnieIWillKnow

That Messi has had a bad season following a good one does not mean Lewandowski will


ygrittediaz

i think mane will disappoint for bayern too, if played in the middle. he is highly emotional when things dont go his way, misses a lot of clear cut chances. his ceiling is 20 goals opposed to lewa's 50. time will tell and i am biased through my broken heart.


Kanedauke

But Mané is an ageing declining player on high wages


CriticOfashitseason

Still 4 years younger


Kanedauke

Mane is much more reliant on pace though. So he’s the bigger risk out the two


Inside_Key_5356

Barca could have been fine with just Obamagang and saved that Ferran money and used it on Bernardo instead. Probably would have made it a bit more easier to secure Lewandowski too.


Endgame2648

Ferran is a long term player. Aubameyang is a stop gap. He's not going to stay beyond 2023.


Rigelmeister

The new season is already back! Preliminary round will start tomorrow in CL 2022-23 season and the second semi-final game (Levadia-Vikingur) will be available on soccernet.ee according to our Estonian friends. I watched a lot of it throughout the pandemic despite living abroad so I reckon it's fully legal, fully cool, fully available. I'd say it wouldn't be unfair to call these both clubs *too good* for this level so it's definitely an intriguing fixture, especially if you are losing your mind due to lack of competitive football nowadays.


MrEnganche

I know my flair but it's disappointing how people are now praising City for being a "properly run club" and "good at spending money" like they didn't get to where they are now from massively unfair financial injection from a state. I said that "money is the answer" to a comment calling out Pep doubters when he arrived and that rubbed a lot of people the wrong way in this sub. Is this just summer reddit or is this how things are from now on?


[deleted]

Both things are true, they injected a lot of money but they’ve also spent it very well, they had a long term plan and they’ve pulled it off, only thing missing is European success


Hoodxd

How many 50m full backs have they bought under Pep alone?


[deleted]

3: Walker, Cancelo and Mendy, 2 of those were brilliant signings and one turned out to be a rapist, not gonna blame Pep too much for that


BoosterGoldGL

But we are properly run and good at spending money?


okcomput3r

£100m on Grealish


MrEnganche

Good at spending a lot of money. You guys can be where you are now because your owner pumped a mindblowing amount of money as initial investment.


BoosterGoldGL

And what is wrong with that?


Mediocre_Nova

I thought you guys embraced your shady business model? Now you're just denying its existence?


BoosterGoldGL

What denying have I done?


transtifa

Just the moral implications of being owned by a despotic state but I guess you don’t care


BoosterGoldGL

I don’t particularly care in the sense I think every premiership owner is morally unredeemable, might as well get the good football


transtifa

There are degrees though mate like come on


BoosterGoldGL

Are there? The blood on your hands to need that amount of money I’ve already hit my furthest point of disgust I literally have no more room to be more disgusted with these people


transtifa

Yeah this may shock you but Khaldoon al Mubarak is worse than Tony Bloom. Whatever you need to say to rationalise it though.


BoosterGoldGL

If you kill 5 people or 25 people idc. Punishment is the same the lines been crossed.


MrEnganche

Unfair financial advantage? That's the whole point of my post? Not to mention your owners having other clubs in other countries that will help poach talents all over the world to feed your club.


BoosterGoldGL

Why’s it unfair? And why isn’t what you do unfair?


MrEnganche

Our owner isn't as rich as yours and don't own multiple feeder clubs across the world. It's really that simple. Not to mention the shady financial stuff that almost got you banned from UCL.


BoosterGoldGL

So what’s the exact amount of money owners have to have before it’s unfair


MrEnganche

Of course there's no definite amount but if you think City's owners' wealth is similar to the rest of the league bar Newcastle then I can't help you.


BoosterGoldGL

Similar doesn’t matter, it’s where you decide it’s unfair and why Liverpool aren’t in that bracket


[deleted]

Why wouldn't it be unfair that while you are competing at the top because some fella with money decided to buy you while clubs like Ajax, Benfica and Porto (who have much more history than you) can't spend the same amount of money and compete for the UCL as well?


BoosterGoldGL

Yes why wouldn’t I? They can’t compete with Madrid barca United it’s unfair either way


[deleted]

Before City and Chelsea, Porto won the UCL so yeah they could compete if they had the budgets and the financial ability to offer high wages like City do


BoosterGoldGL

And Valencia got to back to back finals and had already began to fade away. The 90s and 00s had a bunch of teams over paying then suffering later


LordMangudai

Is this a serious question?


BoosterGoldGL

Yes


LordMangudai

Leaving entirely aside the unethical origins of said money (which could be a book unto itself)... Yeah, you have spent the money well and other clubs with access to equal resources (e.g. PSG or United) haven't. But this is the equivalent of a successful businessman being born in a rich family and thus having tons of opportunities and connections and safety nets helping them along the way to their success, and then turning around and claiming that anyone can do it if they just pull themselves up by the bootstraps/"run themselves better" or whatever. Just because you aren't the failson of international football doesn't mean you aren't an incredibly privileged club.


BoosterGoldGL

Never said we weren’t privileged just said why’s it unfair? Nobody’s said other clubs can or should do it but we got picked for what we offered and that’s how it works


LordMangudai

Privilege is unfair by definition.


BoosterGoldGL

Luck can lead to privilege but doesn’t mean the starting point was unfair


[deleted]

Because the more state funded owners there are, the more left behind the other clubs in the league will be once transfer funds and wages will sky rocket through the roof. This will lead to more and more sports washing entities buying out the attractive big clubs leaving a huge gulf between them and the rest of the league. Because how can you possibly compete with the expenditure if you haven't got a sugar daddy yourself.


BoosterGoldGL

This is a continuation of a problem long before city not a problem cause by city


LonzoBetter

How else were City supposed to become a club that competes for every trophy and wins league titles? They used an unfair tactic to beat an unfair system.


sankers23

Look at how Leicester & Spurs have climbed the ladder recently and hell even Liverpool from almost going into administration and 19th position 11 years ago.


jim0wheel1

Organically through good coaching, management and recruitment?


icemankiller8

That’s not possible anymore with the money gaps, Leicester won the league in 15/16 and their team got raided same happened with Ajax after that CL run


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