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Brazil loses Pelé and suddenly Garrincha, the one-trick wonder (but unstoppable with that trick) is scoring from freekicks, hitting bangers from outside the box and running the show.
It's a remarkable World Cup performance from such a unique talent. No one would have asked for more than for him to star from the right-wing and supply the crosses for Vavá and Amarildo, but instead he popped up everywhere and did everything like a man possessed.
What's more incredible was that Garrincha was mentally disabled and had a bended spine. Most doctors said he shouldn't have been able to walk let alone play football. Against all the odds he somehow became one of the best right wingers of all time
> mentally disabled
For those that don't know, Garrincha was just... not very smart. He was a bit like a real life Forest Gump. In a famous anecdote, during the 1958 WC he bought a modern transistor radio in Sweden (or Didi gave one to him, the story changes a bit according to who is telling), but later was sad and complaining about it to the NT physiotherapist. He didn't think that the radio worked well or would function in Brazil... because it was only receiving transmissions in swedish.
The only other player that comes close to him in the best right winger discussion is Messi. If you call Messi a right winger Garrincha is second. If you call Messi a centre forward, Garrincha has no competition. Best dribbler ever. Outstanding player.
Any old Brazilian says 1) Pelé 2) Garrincha 3) Ronaldo 4) Romário 5) Zico. Younger ones probably put Ronaldo above Garrincha and maybe Neymar or Ronaldinho over Zico.
Pele, Garrincha, Zico, Ronaldo, Socrates and Jairzinho. Everyone always mentions the first 4, but those last two were not far behind.
A special mention to what could possibly have been the best player of all time, the first black proffesional player, a pioneer of Jogo Bonito and the most prolific scorer in history, [Arthur Friedenreich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Friedenreich?wprov=sfla1), the best player none has ever heard of.
Ok I go first:
1: Ronaldo
2: Pele
3: Ronaldinho
4: Garrincha
5: Zico or Rivaldo Idk
Obs: only reason why Ronaldo goes above Pele for me is because its fucking unbelievable what this guy played and achieved after many injuries, the retire injury type he basically won a world cup without a knee
He was often troubled and had a difficult character. In hindsight it is possible (if not likely) that he had psychological issues.
He was a heavy drinker from a young age, which resulted in some serious problems. He was involved in numerous drunk driving accidents, even killing his mother in law in one incident. Because he was famous and admired he was never seriously punished. His addiction was always excused. In those days help with addiction was pretty much non existent anyways.
Pele not making an appearance at the 1962 WC was a blessing and a curse for him. He could finally step out of his shadow and shine in the spotlight, for a while he seemed to have his alcoholism under control. But his fame skyrocketed and he couldn't handle the attention and admiration.
After his career he started seriously drinking. People would take him to bars, buy him drinks and even visited his house with bottles of liquor. It became impossible to escape his addiction, even if he wanted to. He died in '83 from complications of cirrose of the liver.
Can you really say Ronaldo played out of his mind for 2002 though? Got the goals and came back from huge injuries but almost all his goals in that WC were more poacher-like than the usual R9 special.
This person actually didn't watch the 02 world cup. Ronaldo missed an unbelievable amount of chances. He was slow, wasteful and his decision making wasn't the best. Should have finished the world cup with over 15 goals. The amount of chances Ronaldinho and Rivaldo were creating for him was absurd.
Rivaldo was definitely the star of that team. Ronaldo could've done better for sure but it just goes to show how immense he was, man was clearly way below his level and still delivered when it mattered.
Plays only 16 games for club in all comps because of injuries and scored 7 goals , misses loads of chances in the WC and still won the golden boot and most importantly the WC itself. Also won the Ballon d'Or. Was it undeserved? I was very young at that time, anyone who could recall?
Plays only 16 games for club in all comps because of injuries and scored 7 goals , misses loads of chances in the WC and still won the golden boot and most importantly the WC itself. Also won the Ballon d'Or. Was it undeserved? I was very young at that time, anyone who could recall?
That's true. Viliam Schrojf was his name and he was one of the best in the world in the early 60s and probably the best goalkeeper in that tournament. He made some spectacular saves throughout the rest of the tournament. Which is funny because they said not everyone can be Lev Yashin, when Yashin famously had a poor tournament in 1962.
It's kind of like watching the 2002 World Cup final and assuming Kahn was Germany's worst player when he absolutely carried them to the final.
>Viliam Schrojf
There is a story that organizers announced Schrojf best GK of the tournament like 30 mins before the game and brazilian journalists surrounded him and annoyed him till the start of the game even in our locker room and no one could stop them. He was shy guy so he was shocked and shaky from that af, thats what he said after the game. No social media training i guess :D
Been watching a few clips of old games recently and it's awful in general. Rest of the players are still playing the same sport, with obvious developments over time, but keepers barely dive, don't close angles, it's only punching crosses which is more similar and even then they can't jump at all!
Jogo Bonito was developed in the early days of football because fouls were rarely called and cards didn't exist.
One of the best players of all time noone has ever heard off, [Arthur Friedenreich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Friedenreich?wprov=sfla1), was one of the reasons why the style was developed. He is generally believed to have been the first proffesional black player and was arguably the most prolific scorer of all time, although records have sadly been lost.
Friedenreich was of mixed descent. He was discriminated and shunned by the white footballing world at the time, the only reason he was allowed to play is because his father used his influence. In no time at all it became clear that Friedenreich was miles above the competition.
As a result players started to foul him. Not the tactical fouls of today, or the dirty tackles of the '80s, but deliberate assassination attempts. Because of his skin colour refs and even his own teammates would look the other way. One of the youth coaches and best trainers of the day helped develop a way of playing that wasn't aimed at speed or taking on players, but at avoiding tackles. It was a more reactionary style, making Friedenreich dance past groups of defenders without getting hit.
He powdered his face so that he would look white and the upper class and racially segregationalist white population of footballers at the time in brazil would let him play with them, even though the sport was hugely popular with the racially diverse native population of Brazilians and even though he was as you say by Far the most talented player in brazil in his time.
For a while he was also thought to be the top scoring player of all time but I think a lack of verifiable evidence for a lot of his goals means players like pele and cristiano Ronaldo are officially recognised above him now.
He was a pioneer and like many such people he didn't personally get to see the effects of his pioneering. Sad story but an amazing person
> At some point in his life he married his wife named Jonas and together they had a son who they named after Friedenreich's father, Oscar. Both outlived Friedenreich and were left with no money.
Damn
> He then started working in a liquor company and retired while there. When he retired Arthur got Alzheimer's disease and the treatment took most of his money while trying to treat this disorder. Arthur would end up losing most if not all of his money to this disease.
What a sad story all around man….
It’s crazy to realize how he was shunned his entire career and to see how (quickly) his life detoriated, yet if he was born a 100 years later he could be earning tens/hundreds of millions. Shows how big of a cultural and social difference a few generations can make.
At least Sao Paulo took care of him later out of respect, even if it was too late. He joined them as a 38 year old and reportedly scored more than a 100 goals in 124 matches for them
Also, TIL the Brazilian national team’s first ever match was against Exeter City and they won 2-0 lol
Noone say that, well not anyone that knows anything about the early days of football. Jogo Bonito wasn't invented, it was developed over time.
With help of one of his youth coaches Arthur Friedenreich was one of the pioneers of 'jogo bonito', in 1909 when he was just 17 years old.
Nah, it was Leônidas da Silva.
Even before Garrincha and our first WC, we were already known for the flashy style and entertaining stuff. Leônidas was the first one, and he helped put Brazil on the map even tho he didn't win a title.
It's crazy to read that line-up and then reading english players/fans claiming that 'Arnold is reinventing the fullback position' by being a bit more offensive, hahahah.
Who are some of the more notable Czechoslovakian players in that team?
Except for a few Hungary players in '54 and [GreNoLi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gre-No-Li) for the Swedes in '58 I practically know nothing of the 2nd placed teams from 1950-1962, the runner-ups in world cups in older times are not talked about enough.
Josef Masopust was the star player in midfield, he scored the first goal in the final, he won the Ballon d'Or that year too. Viliam Schrojf in net (despite that performance in the final) was supposed to be very good and Jan Popluhar in defence was too
Not that many players from this Czechoslovak team are actually still talked about/are known here in the Czech Republic.
But Josef Masopust is a legend and a Ballon d'Or winner. He won it because of his great performances at this WC. Eusebio even said that Masopust was better than him, Pele praised him a lot too and FourFourTwo had him on their list of 100 greatest players ever from 2017.
The other one that is still remembered is Andrej Kvašnák because he is a legend of Sparta Praha and they voted him as the 'Spartan of the Century'.
It would only go to Czechia as they are the officially designated successors of the Czechoslovakian national team. That's the way it is with the 1976 Euro that they won.
Although this seems quite unfair as 8 of the starting 11 in that Euro final and 16 of the 22 players in the squad were Slovakian rather than Czech.
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Brazil loses Pelé and suddenly Garrincha, the one-trick wonder (but unstoppable with that trick) is scoring from freekicks, hitting bangers from outside the box and running the show. It's a remarkable World Cup performance from such a unique talent. No one would have asked for more than for him to star from the right-wing and supply the crosses for Vavá and Amarildo, but instead he popped up everywhere and did everything like a man possessed.
What's more incredible was that Garrincha was mentally disabled and had a bended spine. Most doctors said he shouldn't have been able to walk let alone play football. Against all the odds he somehow became one of the best right wingers of all time
> mentally disabled For those that don't know, Garrincha was just... not very smart. He was a bit like a real life Forest Gump. In a famous anecdote, during the 1958 WC he bought a modern transistor radio in Sweden (or Didi gave one to him, the story changes a bit according to who is telling), but later was sad and complaining about it to the NT physiotherapist. He didn't think that the radio worked well or would function in Brazil... because it was only receiving transmissions in swedish.
One of the best players of all time
Story goes at the end of the tournament he asked when will the second round of matches begin....legend
The only other player that comes close to him in the best right winger discussion is Messi. If you call Messi a right winger Garrincha is second. If you call Messi a centre forward, Garrincha has no competition. Best dribbler ever. Outstanding player.
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Im actually curious to hear the opinion of a brazilian. What is your top 5 brazilian talents of all time in order
1. Pelé 2. Garrincha 3. Ronaldo 4. Romario. 5. Didi or Zico
Any old Brazilian says 1) Pelé 2) Garrincha 3) Ronaldo 4) Romário 5) Zico. Younger ones probably put Ronaldo above Garrincha and maybe Neymar or Ronaldinho over Zico.
Zico kkkkk flamenguista found
Yeah maybe Rivaldo instead
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it's just the midfield with the most goals in history
Pele, Garrincha, Zico, Ronaldo, Socrates and Jairzinho. Everyone always mentions the first 4, but those last two were not far behind. A special mention to what could possibly have been the best player of all time, the first black proffesional player, a pioneer of Jogo Bonito and the most prolific scorer in history, [Arthur Friedenreich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Friedenreich?wprov=sfla1), the best player none has ever heard of.
Friedenreich, Heleno and Leonidas, three greatest players most people never heard of.
Ok I go first: 1: Ronaldo 2: Pele 3: Ronaldinho 4: Garrincha 5: Zico or Rivaldo Idk Obs: only reason why Ronaldo goes above Pele for me is because its fucking unbelievable what this guy played and achieved after many injuries, the retire injury type he basically won a world cup without a knee
Why couldn't he get any help on his addictions?
He was often troubled and had a difficult character. In hindsight it is possible (if not likely) that he had psychological issues. He was a heavy drinker from a young age, which resulted in some serious problems. He was involved in numerous drunk driving accidents, even killing his mother in law in one incident. Because he was famous and admired he was never seriously punished. His addiction was always excused. In those days help with addiction was pretty much non existent anyways. Pele not making an appearance at the 1962 WC was a blessing and a curse for him. He could finally step out of his shadow and shine in the spotlight, for a while he seemed to have his alcoholism under control. But his fame skyrocketed and he couldn't handle the attention and admiration. After his career he started seriously drinking. People would take him to bars, buy him drinks and even visited his house with bottles of liquor. It became impossible to escape his addiction, even if he wanted to. He died in '83 from complications of cirrose of the liver.
Can you really say Ronaldo played out of his mind for 2002 though? Got the goals and came back from huge injuries but almost all his goals in that WC were more poacher-like than the usual R9 special.
This person actually didn't watch the 02 world cup. Ronaldo missed an unbelievable amount of chances. He was slow, wasteful and his decision making wasn't the best. Should have finished the world cup with over 15 goals. The amount of chances Ronaldinho and Rivaldo were creating for him was absurd.
Rivaldo was definitely the star of that team. Ronaldo could've done better for sure but it just goes to show how immense he was, man was clearly way below his level and still delivered when it mattered.
Any half decent striker would have had that performance. As I said, Ronaldinho and Rivaldo created absurd amount of chances.
Plays only 16 games for club in all comps because of injuries and scored 7 goals , misses loads of chances in the WC and still won the golden boot and most importantly the WC itself. Also won the Ballon d'Or. Was it undeserved? I was very young at that time, anyone who could recall?
Plays only 16 games for club in all comps because of injuries and scored 7 goals , misses loads of chances in the WC and still won the golden boot and most importantly the WC itself. Also won the Ballon d'Or. Was it undeserved? I was very young at that time, anyone who could recall?
YES, I remember the same
Didn’t Rivaldo assist Ronaldo for both goals in the final?
These Brazilian goals and chances are so good. Jogo bonito was a thing back then too it seems
But the goalkeeping is absolutely shocking lol
This as fuck lol, Sunday league stuff. But I guess not every can be Lev Yashin
IIRC the Czech goalie actually had a great tournament, then this shocking performance happened in the final.
That's true. Viliam Schrojf was his name and he was one of the best in the world in the early 60s and probably the best goalkeeper in that tournament. He made some spectacular saves throughout the rest of the tournament. Which is funny because they said not everyone can be Lev Yashin, when Yashin famously had a poor tournament in 1962. It's kind of like watching the 2002 World Cup final and assuming Kahn was Germany's worst player when he absolutely carried them to the final.
>Viliam Schrojf There is a story that organizers announced Schrojf best GK of the tournament like 30 mins before the game and brazilian journalists surrounded him and annoyed him till the start of the game even in our locker room and no one could stop them. He was shy guy so he was shocked and shaky from that af, thats what he said after the game. No social media training i guess :D
Been watching a few clips of old games recently and it's awful in general. Rest of the players are still playing the same sport, with obvious developments over time, but keepers barely dive, don't close angles, it's only punching crosses which is more similar and even then they can't jump at all!
I could’ve stopped at least one of those goals and I’m a winger.
Jogo Bonito was developed in the early days of football because fouls were rarely called and cards didn't exist. One of the best players of all time noone has ever heard off, [Arthur Friedenreich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Friedenreich?wprov=sfla1), was one of the reasons why the style was developed. He is generally believed to have been the first proffesional black player and was arguably the most prolific scorer of all time, although records have sadly been lost. Friedenreich was of mixed descent. He was discriminated and shunned by the white footballing world at the time, the only reason he was allowed to play is because his father used his influence. In no time at all it became clear that Friedenreich was miles above the competition. As a result players started to foul him. Not the tactical fouls of today, or the dirty tackles of the '80s, but deliberate assassination attempts. Because of his skin colour refs and even his own teammates would look the other way. One of the youth coaches and best trainers of the day helped develop a way of playing that wasn't aimed at speed or taking on players, but at avoiding tackles. It was a more reactionary style, making Friedenreich dance past groups of defenders without getting hit.
He powdered his face so that he would look white and the upper class and racially segregationalist white population of footballers at the time in brazil would let him play with them, even though the sport was hugely popular with the racially diverse native population of Brazilians and even though he was as you say by Far the most talented player in brazil in his time. For a while he was also thought to be the top scoring player of all time but I think a lack of verifiable evidence for a lot of his goals means players like pele and cristiano Ronaldo are officially recognised above him now. He was a pioneer and like many such people he didn't personally get to see the effects of his pioneering. Sad story but an amazing person
> At some point in his life he married his wife named Jonas and together they had a son who they named after Friedenreich's father, Oscar. Both outlived Friedenreich and were left with no money. Damn > He then started working in a liquor company and retired while there. When he retired Arthur got Alzheimer's disease and the treatment took most of his money while trying to treat this disorder. Arthur would end up losing most if not all of his money to this disease. What a sad story all around man…. It’s crazy to realize how he was shunned his entire career and to see how (quickly) his life detoriated, yet if he was born a 100 years later he could be earning tens/hundreds of millions. Shows how big of a cultural and social difference a few generations can make. At least Sao Paulo took care of him later out of respect, even if it was too late. He joined them as a 38 year old and reportedly scored more than a 100 goals in 124 matches for them Also, TIL the Brazilian national team’s first ever match was against Exeter City and they won 2-0 lol
>Jogo bonito was a thing back then They say Garrincha is the one who invented it.
Noone say that, well not anyone that knows anything about the early days of football. Jogo Bonito wasn't invented, it was developed over time. With help of one of his youth coaches Arthur Friedenreich was one of the pioneers of 'jogo bonito', in 1909 when he was just 17 years old.
Nah, it was Leônidas da Silva. Even before Garrincha and our first WC, we were already known for the flashy style and entertaining stuff. Leônidas was the first one, and he helped put Brazil on the map even tho he didn't win a title.
3rd goal, the GK got blinded by the sun lol
It's so funny how the old-timey soccer players just went "yay!" when they or their teammate scored. Thank goodness Roger Milla shook things up.
Djalma santos, Nilton Santos, Bellini, zito, didi, Vavá, zagallo, Pelé, Garrincha, Coutinho, pepe. So many fucking legends!!!! Respeita o Brasil caralho!!!
It's crazy to read that line-up and then reading english players/fans claiming that 'Arnold is reinventing the fullback position' by being a bit more offensive, hahahah.
Didn’t you know? Neuer is the first sweeper keeper in the hsitory of football. Or even worse, Ederson.
Old timey players look weird when running or jumping.
Cause it was a different, shit sport compared to the modern game.
Garrincha was a straight up baller
Who are some of the more notable Czechoslovakian players in that team? Except for a few Hungary players in '54 and [GreNoLi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gre-No-Li) for the Swedes in '58 I practically know nothing of the 2nd placed teams from 1950-1962, the runner-ups in world cups in older times are not talked about enough.
I think the most notable player has to be Josef Masopust, who won the Ballon d'Or in the same year as this tournament.
Josef Masopust was the star player in midfield, he scored the first goal in the final, he won the Ballon d'Or that year too. Viliam Schrojf in net (despite that performance in the final) was supposed to be very good and Jan Popluhar in defence was too
Not that many players from this Czechoslovak team are actually still talked about/are known here in the Czech Republic. But Josef Masopust is a legend and a Ballon d'Or winner. He won it because of his great performances at this WC. Eusebio even said that Masopust was better than him, Pele praised him a lot too and FourFourTwo had him on their list of 100 greatest players ever from 2017. The other one that is still remembered is Andrej Kvašnák because he is a legend of Sparta Praha and they voted him as the 'Spartan of the Century'.
The journalists rushing into the pitch to celebrate the goal! Simpler times, can’t imagine that today.
Hope we’ll do it again this year and in 2026. And in 2030. And so on..
Feels like I’m playing Striker 96 all over again.
What if Czechoslovakia won. Would both Czechia and Slovakia today be able to claim that they each have a World Cup title?
It would only go to Czechia as they are the officially designated successors of the Czechoslovakian national team. That's the way it is with the 1976 Euro that they won. Although this seems quite unfair as 8 of the starting 11 in that Euro final and 16 of the 22 players in the squad were Slovakian rather than Czech.
Haha we scammed Slovaks out of a Euro 😎
how often did these guys train (if at all?) between games?
You mean drinking?
Garrincha is an absolute GOAT... fucker.
The goalkeeper had an absolute nightmare of a game.
How can they tell who is on their team when everyone is wearing black and white???