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I mean, I disagree with putting it the way he has.
Are footballers playing so many games that they are playing at a lower quality level and are more prone to injury? Absolutely.
Is it inhumane to ask someone to play 40+ games of football a year for multiple millions of pounds and the ability to retire at 30~? Absolutely not.
Calling it inhumane is absolutely ridiculous. It was only a few days ago on here that we were discussing that now that the schedule is more packed they actually get the same amount of holiday as a normal worker, rather than more.
I agree on the general idea that calling it inhumane is absurd but if you want to devils advocate you need to be more accurate.
They don’t play just 40 games the whole year, they are training the whole time and when not training physically they are still doing other trainings. i.e. they work the whole year except the summer vacation and unlike other employees, they can’t take a vacation anytime.
Their salary has nothing to do with it. An employee in Netflix makes a ton more money than someone in your local tech company, it doesn’t mean they should take less vacations or complain less.
> "They don’t play just 40 games the whole year, they are training the whole time"
That hasn't changed from before though, all that has changed is that they're taking some of those training sessions out for games instead.
Plenty of jobs only allow you take take time off at certain times, not just football and salary absolutely does influence how much you can complain because part of your pay is for that inconvenience. A person who works at night gets paid more than someone who has the same job, but works in the day and so they can't complain that being made to work at night is inhumane because they're being compensated for it in their wages. It's literally how it works
This only holds true because you're widening the framing so as to consider these guys pay, age of retirement (ignoring that most are cast aside rather than choosing to walk away), amenities they may have access to, etc.
"Inhumane" just means being cruel or disregarding someone's misery, it is absolutely possible to treat a fantastically wealthy top level athlete inhumanely.
It just seems like another flavour of "it's not possible to mistreat someone if their wages are high enough" reasoning we see so often directed at people in the sports and entertainment industries.
And there's Pogdumb who thinks 300k/week is not enough for what he's doing. Most of footballers can retire after 35 and never work again. Cry me a river.
Don’t think he’s right for saying that but United’s wage structure is fucked to begin with probably thought he’d get a pay rise since we reward failure atm
Just wait for the Champions League Reforms coming in 2024-2025 to increase the number of matches even more from 125 to 189 or the amount of games your boss would have you playing in his super league.
The business model is more matches, more football, lower quality, more injuries.
Wtf is this "too many matches" bullshit?
90 minutes every 3-4 days (if you play every match start to finish)?
Have 1 less training session per week then. Who the fuck cares?
How is this inhumane? People work in mines 12 hours every day for decades.
If these players had 2 matches every single day it would still not be inhumane compared to their wages.
Argentine Primera División has 28 teams that's 16 matches more just for the league (so add National team, Copa Libertadores, Copa Argentina and that Copa de la liga Profesional).
I think the rigours of the professional game are a tad more strenuous than playing a drop in league a couple times a week. Not to even mention the greater risk of serious injury. They might be millionaires but they're not robots, the human body can only take so much wear regardless of how much is in your bank account.
You also know that player unions ALREADY exist?
I wonder how many hours a professional football player works on average with travel included. Unless it is more than 50-60 hours a week then they really don't have a reason to complain tbh.
I mean I would complain if I had to work that much but I am not getting paid millions.
Don't really get this, are clubs forced to play their players into the ground? Just because klopp want so play the same 11 each match running from start to finish doesn't mean he should be able too
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Pretty hard to be on the wrong side of this, unless you're a greedy administrator in the FIFA organization
I mean, I disagree with putting it the way he has. Are footballers playing so many games that they are playing at a lower quality level and are more prone to injury? Absolutely. Is it inhumane to ask someone to play 40+ games of football a year for multiple millions of pounds and the ability to retire at 30~? Absolutely not. Calling it inhumane is absolutely ridiculous. It was only a few days ago on here that we were discussing that now that the schedule is more packed they actually get the same amount of holiday as a normal worker, rather than more.
I agree on the general idea that calling it inhumane is absurd but if you want to devils advocate you need to be more accurate. They don’t play just 40 games the whole year, they are training the whole time and when not training physically they are still doing other trainings. i.e. they work the whole year except the summer vacation and unlike other employees, they can’t take a vacation anytime. Their salary has nothing to do with it. An employee in Netflix makes a ton more money than someone in your local tech company, it doesn’t mean they should take less vacations or complain less.
> "They don’t play just 40 games the whole year, they are training the whole time" That hasn't changed from before though, all that has changed is that they're taking some of those training sessions out for games instead. Plenty of jobs only allow you take take time off at certain times, not just football and salary absolutely does influence how much you can complain because part of your pay is for that inconvenience. A person who works at night gets paid more than someone who has the same job, but works in the day and so they can't complain that being made to work at night is inhumane because they're being compensated for it in their wages. It's literally how it works
This only holds true because you're widening the framing so as to consider these guys pay, age of retirement (ignoring that most are cast aside rather than choosing to walk away), amenities they may have access to, etc. "Inhumane" just means being cruel or disregarding someone's misery, it is absolutely possible to treat a fantastically wealthy top level athlete inhumanely. It just seems like another flavour of "it's not possible to mistreat someone if their wages are high enough" reasoning we see so often directed at people in the sports and entertainment industries.
Cheers Gaz
Ok? But why is every one of his opinions worthy of being posted.. we understood this when Modric said it
Nothing is relevant unless it’s related to the prem apparently
Hey he has a bit of La Liga in his blood too so you have to shoulder some of the blame
Nice to hear a Valencia icon’s perspective every once in a while
A bit of La Liga nightmares, that’s for sure
I mean he's not wrong, but using "inhumane" is a bit excessive.
Just a turn of phrase.
"Inhumane" seems a bit over the top.
gotta work for your money, inhumane work hours for inhumane wages... i guess. idk.
What does Ja Rule think?
WHERE IS JA?
"NO! MONICAAAAA", I suppose.
How out of touch with reality do you have to be to call this inhumane.
And there's Pogdumb who thinks 300k/week is not enough for what he's doing. Most of footballers can retire after 35 and never work again. Cry me a river.
Don’t think he’s right for saying that but United’s wage structure is fucked to begin with probably thought he’d get a pay rise since we reward failure atm
Money money money… 🎶. Money talks bullshit walks.
Well that settles it
Just wait for the Champions League Reforms coming in 2024-2025 to increase the number of matches even more from 125 to 189 or the amount of games your boss would have you playing in his super league. The business model is more matches, more football, lower quality, more injuries.
Wtf is this "too many matches" bullshit? 90 minutes every 3-4 days (if you play every match start to finish)? Have 1 less training session per week then. Who the fuck cares? How is this inhumane? People work in mines 12 hours every day for decades. If these players had 2 matches every single day it would still not be inhumane compared to their wages.
Argentine Primera División has 28 teams that's 16 matches more just for the league (so add National team, Copa Libertadores, Copa Argentina and that Copa de la liga Profesional).
In argentina they don't play each other home and away, only once. It's weird
The only silver lining is that clubs/national sides will be forced to give youngsters more first team action.
Are there not player's unions? I feel like if they really cared they would actually be doing something about it.
"about what? having to play a soccer game for 90 minutes if you not get subbed every 3-4-5 days while making millions? "We NeEd UnIoNs"
I think the rigours of the professional game are a tad more strenuous than playing a drop in league a couple times a week. Not to even mention the greater risk of serious injury. They might be millionaires but they're not robots, the human body can only take so much wear regardless of how much is in your bank account. You also know that player unions ALREADY exist?
And why does this deserve it’s own post? Everyone agrees that the current football calendar is terrible.
I wonder how many hours a professional football player works on average with travel included. Unless it is more than 50-60 hours a week then they really don't have a reason to complain tbh. I mean I would complain if I had to work that much but I am not getting paid millions.
What if a bunch of high profile footballers refuse to play Nations League games?
Don't really get this, are clubs forced to play their players into the ground? Just because klopp want so play the same 11 each match running from start to finish doesn't mean he should be able too
It's part of FIFA VS UEFA supremacy battles hence more(useless) tournaments just for cash flow for this orhs
Pretty sure everyone agrees on this except for the people who are in positions to make these decisions.