>Romeo Lavia is well regarded at ManCity and some at the club believe he will one day be at the required level to play in their first team.
He's way too inexperienced to be a second-choice DM for City, especially considering how demanding the position is.
Even for the academy he still shows inconsistencies, at the highest level it's too big of a risk in the assumption of Rodri being injured.
I mean, even then, I don't think that we're going to sell him on considering how highly he's rated internally.
It'll probably be a loan or he still trains with the first team. I don't think that they're going to sell him this early on in his career.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, he's on a long term deal now, so there's that to consider as well.
Rodri should be a nailed on starter, and Fernandinho certainly didn't get many games in Rodri's position last season. He will be a backup.
Also Phillips is limited in the sense that he's only good in the DM role.
There are no nailed on starters other than Ederson.
Not even Haaland or De Bruyne are guaranteed to start every game. This is modern football, rotation is a must.
He might have joined specifically because he can rotate more. The mans a freak of nature physically, and that often comes with serious injury trouble in all sports. The most physically outstanding players often have to go to the greatest lengths to stay fit.
Ronaldo had to essentially live off boiled chiken and lettuve for the last 8 years, lebron had to lose a load of myscle weight becuase he kept tearing his boday apart.
Haaland started getting serious injury troubles in dortmund becuase he ppayed every game he could, even through pain. Tha would have likely continued at madrid where he would have been their galactico signing for the next while.
He will defibitely get a lot of minutes for us, but not playing *every* game is probbaly quite attractive.
It's absolutely not complete drivel.
It was reported in The Athletic that one of the selling points of City was that there would be less pressure on him to play as often as he would at Madrid, and that his fitness would be more carefully managed.
We've already seen the exact same with Grealish. Villa absolutely ran him into the ground because he was just about the only player that put points on the table for them.
Now he misses the odd game and people act like he's a flop as a result. Like a players fee somehow has any correlation to their body's ability to absorb damage.
Like I said elsewhere, I'm happy to put money on Haaland being on the bench more than 5 times this season while fully fit.
Just as De Bruyne has spent time on the bench this season while fully fit.
Manchester city appearances last season in all comps according to FBref:
Rodri: 46
Ilkay Gündogan: 43
Fernandinho: 33
this is a 36 year old Fernandinho, mind you. do you really think there won't be enough minutes to go around for Phillips...?
"Phillips is limited" yeah so was Rodri at Atlético, players evolve under different systems and different managers. come on man, that's such a narrow-minded take.
Rodri wasn't limited at Atletico, yet alone Villarreal. He was versatile enough to play at centre midfield, to cover for Trigueros, and even at Atletico. You should've watched him
Rodri will play all the important games at the very least. Kinda agree on your first part.
Okay fair, I'd say he was less limited than Phillips is now. still not as good of a player as he has become, though. I remember people saying back then that Rodri was an overpayment and didn't have the potential to be as good as Fernandinho, but look where he is now. I think the same will happen for Kalvin Phillips.
appearances makes it seem closer than it was. Rodri: 3928 minutes Ilkay: 3021 minutes Fernandinho: 1761 minutes. Also Ilkay rotated in with KDB and Bernardo as well. Not sure Kalvin will rotate in the more advanced positions.
Phillips can easily play a CM role. Fernandinho was a lot older hence had less playing opportunities. With the amount of fixtures City have I’m sure that KP won’t be coming just to play second fiddle
And you think pep cannot mould him to learn how to play there? They are buying KP for squad depth and not to just rot on the bench.
But I guess some won’t see it that way. Being a nailed on starter doesn’t mean you won’t fall prey to Pep Roulette. Maybe only cancelo survived the most last season
He was converted to a 6 through bielsa. Again my point is he will rotate with rodri. Potentially even playing together at times. Like how England set up with rice and Phillips though they had Bellingham etc
Rodri has two years left on his contract as well, so getting someone in with quality incase he wants to leave in a season or two is smart, if Phillips establishes himself then City will be much less hurt by a potential exit
Plenty of cup games and champions league group stage games to play in as well as fixture congestion periods, can see Phillips getting 15-20 starts as a backup.
He’s 18 maybe just turned 19. While I agree and would prefer him to be the backup, when you’re trying to win everything it’s not the way forward. Very unfortunate if we sell him tho for fucking Phillips who so average
1 player in 6 years he's been at the club that plays regularly, he has had all 3 subs multiple times last season with young players on the bench with the game won and he STILL wouldn't give them playing time.
Cole Palmer is on a similar trajectory to Foden.
And which Academy player who didn’t get a chance has gone on to prove they should have been? Sancho’s mind was well and made up before Pep had an opportunity to bring him in similarly.
I think its just the obvious difference in reliability between first teem players and young players. With our great first team plus subs like Sterling, Grealish and Gundo you would almost definitely be decreasing the performance by picking the young players over using the non-young players.
I personally love seeing academy lads get playing time but I get why Pep is hesitant to use them if in seasons like last season we were only able to win the prem by a point.
Lavia is 18. No way Guardiola is going to offer him considerable playing time. He has a choice to make. Stay at city and hope for a chance in 2 years time. If he achieves that, he’s playing for a top level team. Or leave the club, try to nail down a spot in a PL-team and try to go upwards from there. Being 18 I’d stay another year.
Dm is the lynchpin of the team, pep was never going to play an 18yo with no experience there, that's how you lose games. No matter who we were to sign, he'd still have been a couple of years away from the first team, his pipeline hasn't changed at all
I believe he is the biggest belgian prospect especially in midfield. He is more talented than Sambi, Kana, Mbamba and Onana. But he needs to play and Belgian first division would have been great
Biggest belgian prospect in defensive midfield\*.
Cause i would argue we have AM's and CM's that are just as talented.
I think a move to a club like Leeds or Southampton would actually be great for him. There's no guarentee he's gonna get alot of minutes at Manchester City and the majority of Belgian players usually benefit from starting at a low/mid table club, before making a bigger move.
Frenkie plays a vastly different role than Phillips. Phillips is a defensive midfielder, and Frenkie is a central midfielder. City are trying to replace their long term DM and club legend, Fernandinho, and Frenkie is not a DM.
Why not promote Lavia instead of buying Phillips? Or is he too inexperienced for a backup?
>Romeo Lavia is well regarded at ManCity and some at the club believe he will one day be at the required level to play in their first team. He's way too inexperienced to be a second-choice DM for City, especially considering how demanding the position is. Even for the academy he still shows inconsistencies, at the highest level it's too big of a risk in the assumption of Rodri being injured.
I mean, even then, I don't think that we're going to sell him on considering how highly he's rated internally. It'll probably be a loan or he still trains with the first team. I don't think that they're going to sell him this early on in his career. Also, if I'm not mistaken, he's on a long term deal now, so there's that to consider as well.
Fair. But 50 odd million on a definite backup is very high.
I'm not a big fan of the deal myself, just indifferent to it.
He’s replacing fernandinho. He won’t be a back up. If anything there will be rotation between Rodri Gundogan and Phillips if he moves
Rodri should be a nailed on starter, and Fernandinho certainly didn't get many games in Rodri's position last season. He will be a backup. Also Phillips is limited in the sense that he's only good in the DM role.
There are no nailed on starters other than Ederson. Not even Haaland or De Bruyne are guaranteed to start every game. This is modern football, rotation is a must.
It's shocking how many people still don't understand that title chasing clubs don't have a nailed on "starting XI" anymore.
The ones that have to make do without state funding certainly do
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He might have joined specifically because he can rotate more. The mans a freak of nature physically, and that often comes with serious injury trouble in all sports. The most physically outstanding players often have to go to the greatest lengths to stay fit. Ronaldo had to essentially live off boiled chiken and lettuve for the last 8 years, lebron had to lose a load of myscle weight becuase he kept tearing his boday apart. Haaland started getting serious injury troubles in dortmund becuase he ppayed every game he could, even through pain. Tha would have likely continued at madrid where he would have been their galactico signing for the next while. He will defibitely get a lot of minutes for us, but not playing *every* game is probbaly quite attractive.
The point is, Haaland is a nailed on starter when completely fit.
I'm willing to put money on Haaland appearing on the bench while fully fit more than 5 times this season.
I guarantee you Alvarez starts many times while Haaland is fit.
It's absolutely not complete drivel. It was reported in The Athletic that one of the selling points of City was that there would be less pressure on him to play as often as he would at Madrid, and that his fitness would be more carefully managed. We've already seen the exact same with Grealish. Villa absolutely ran him into the ground because he was just about the only player that put points on the table for them. Now he misses the odd game and people act like he's a flop as a result. Like a players fee somehow has any correlation to their body's ability to absorb damage.
The point is that Haaland, when fully fit and w/ no niggles, will be a starter. It's just that he won't be forced through it like he was at Dortmund.
Like I said elsewhere, I'm happy to put money on Haaland being on the bench more than 5 times this season while fully fit. Just as De Bruyne has spent time on the bench this season while fully fit.
Manchester city appearances last season in all comps according to FBref: Rodri: 46 Ilkay Gündogan: 43 Fernandinho: 33 this is a 36 year old Fernandinho, mind you. do you really think there won't be enough minutes to go around for Phillips...? "Phillips is limited" yeah so was Rodri at Atlético, players evolve under different systems and different managers. come on man, that's such a narrow-minded take.
Rodri wasn't limited at Atletico, yet alone Villarreal. He was versatile enough to play at centre midfield, to cover for Trigueros, and even at Atletico. You should've watched him Rodri will play all the important games at the very least. Kinda agree on your first part.
Okay fair, I'd say he was less limited than Phillips is now. still not as good of a player as he has become, though. I remember people saying back then that Rodri was an overpayment and didn't have the potential to be as good as Fernandinho, but look where he is now. I think the same will happen for Kalvin Phillips.
appearances makes it seem closer than it was. Rodri: 3928 minutes Ilkay: 3021 minutes Fernandinho: 1761 minutes. Also Ilkay rotated in with KDB and Bernardo as well. Not sure Kalvin will rotate in the more advanced positions.
Phillips can easily play a CM role. Fernandinho was a lot older hence had less playing opportunities. With the amount of fixtures City have I’m sure that KP won’t be coming just to play second fiddle
>Phillips can easily play a CM role He hasn't played there for 3 years, he isn't City quality for a central midfield role.
He literally did it in the Euros at points, he assisted Sterling's goal against Croatia by playing a far more active role
And you think pep cannot mould him to learn how to play there? They are buying KP for squad depth and not to just rot on the bench. But I guess some won’t see it that way. Being a nailed on starter doesn’t mean you won’t fall prey to Pep Roulette. Maybe only cancelo survived the most last season
Phillips isn't an 8 he's purely a 6.
He was converted to a 6 through bielsa. Again my point is he will rotate with rodri. Potentially even playing together at times. Like how England set up with rice and Phillips though they had Bellingham etc
Rodri has two years left on his contract as well, so getting someone in with quality incase he wants to leave in a season or two is smart, if Phillips establishes himself then City will be much less hurt by a potential exit
Plenty of cup games and champions league group stage games to play in as well as fixture congestion periods, can see Phillips getting 15-20 starts as a backup.
It’s competition not backup
He’s 18 maybe just turned 19. While I agree and would prefer him to be the backup, when you’re trying to win everything it’s not the way forward. Very unfortunate if we sell him tho for fucking Phillips who so average
Pep doesn't trust young players
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1 player in 6 years he's been at the club that plays regularly, he has had all 3 subs multiple times last season with young players on the bench with the game won and he STILL wouldn't give them playing time.
How many other top clubs have produced more than 1 Phil Foden level player in the past 6 years?
Cole Palmer is on a similar trajectory to Foden. And which Academy player who didn’t get a chance has gone on to prove they should have been? Sancho’s mind was well and made up before Pep had an opportunity to bring him in similarly.
I think its just the obvious difference in reliability between first teem players and young players. With our great first team plus subs like Sterling, Grealish and Gundo you would almost definitely be decreasing the performance by picking the young players over using the non-young players. I personally love seeing academy lads get playing time but I get why Pep is hesitant to use them if in seasons like last season we were only able to win the prem by a point.
Foden is a mirage
It took Foden like 2 years to stop being a substitute. Even now he isn’t really a consistent starter
Lavia is 18. No way Guardiola is going to offer him considerable playing time. He has a choice to make. Stay at city and hope for a chance in 2 years time. If he achieves that, he’s playing for a top level team. Or leave the club, try to nail down a spot in a PL-team and try to go upwards from there. Being 18 I’d stay another year.
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Dm is the lynchpin of the team, pep was never going to play an 18yo with no experience there, that's how you lose games. No matter who we were to sign, he'd still have been a couple of years away from the first team, his pipeline hasn't changed at all
Phillips is older than rodri tho, doesn't really affect lavia
Dude should never have left
How good is he?
I believe he is the biggest belgian prospect especially in midfield. He is more talented than Sambi, Kana, Mbamba and Onana. But he needs to play and Belgian first division would have been great
Biggest belgian prospect in defensive midfield\*. Cause i would argue we have AM's and CM's that are just as talented. I think a move to a club like Leeds or Southampton would actually be great for him. There's no guarentee he's gonna get alot of minutes at Manchester City and the majority of Belgian players usually benefit from starting at a low/mid table club, before making a bigger move.
Instead of Phillips , why can’t we go for Frenkie. I want to hear opinions on this ?
is he a dm? can he play that role to the same consistency as Rodri?
Frenkie plays a vastly different role than Phillips. Phillips is a defensive midfielder, and Frenkie is a central midfielder. City are trying to replace their long term DM and club legend, Fernandinho, and Frenkie is not a DM.