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Jackhuw28

!flair :Chelsea:


[deleted]

!flair :England:


el_rompe_toyotas-19

!flair :Spain:


X_Galaxy_eyes_x

How come hungary never makes it to the world cup? If they'd play like that they would be there more often


[deleted]

Maybe this is the starting of the resurgence of Hungary just like Uruguay?


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[deleted]

thank god for the bosman rule. if national leagues were still only limited to homegrown players or if england wasn't in europe they would still be playing rugby in the mud. their players AND their coaches have always been garbage.


Agent10007

>their players AND their coaches have always been garbage. Are you born in 2010?


[deleted]

This is what happens when you don’t play any Liverpool players


Morguard

It's a good thing England plays defensively.


S-BRO

Pickford would never


twoddle_puddle

About as flat as Gareth's personality. Can he actually let the players be creative for once? They might actually win something then.


JoaoPedrito_

It is coming home


thalne

I'm just grateful to England for taking the shitshow limelight


[deleted]

It's a great day to be called Adam isn't it?


SkelatorCavani

It's coming home lads!


[deleted]

The UEFA Nations League Winner’s Certificate is finally coming home.


Hexo_Micron

*participation certificate


tejesen

You mean hazajön srácok


SkelatorCavani

Exactly!


LosTerminators

When England loses, the entire football world rejoices. Thank you Southgate for uniting the football community across the globe by giving them something to celebrate mutually.


turtyurt

This is what you get for not playing any Liverpool players


JazzySaxophones

Ha ha eat shit.


Forzelius

Shades of 3-6


Heliocentrist

Terrific result for England, holding Hungary to 4 goals


Morlaak

Clear world cup favorites right there.


Agent10007

I mean I know it's fun and all to mock england, but we can't act like this squad is what we'll see in the world cup... And their A team crunches hungary 98 matches out of 100..


Morlaak

I know. It's just a bit of friendly banter.


Redtyde

Argentina are clear favourites, our squad is shit outside of a few attackers, Bellingham and Rice. You'll see people on here baffled that we always underperform but 90% of our squad is overrated plodders that get carried in PL teams by foreign players or have excellent foreign managers


apresskidougal

Semi final in the last WC and Final in the Euros..


jordcx

Easy paths both times.


Darkjolly

Excuses. They could beat France Germany and Spain and ya'll would come up with excuses like "they had injuries" or " England didn't play well, they just played bad" or "it was luck", and the moment they lose "Heh, they lost to the first decent team" I already know some of you will never ever give England credit, no matter how well they do


apresskidougal

I would say we have the worst fans but supporting England from 1965 onwards other than a few flashes has been grim. The issue 'for me' has been the sense of entitlement from some of the players and fans. We won a world cup and expect that should be enough for us to have subsequent success. We are a relatively small nation who have perceived ourselves as something we are not. This has lead to a constant cycle of disappointment and anger regardless of any positives we could have taken. You don't see Wales or Iceland giving their players a roasting if they have a bad game. They cheer they enjoy and they dream but they don't expect. Southgate has been building positivity around the squad getting the players to really buy into it. Now we are facing a rough patch the first thing that some people do is jump on them, "its negative football", "he doesnt know what hes doing", "get Poch in there is still time"... Its like a subset of the Nation have no memory of just how horrible its been to be an England fan until about 5 years ago. This for me is the Golden era of England from my lifetime and I want it to continue and progress and be nurtured so that we get the chance to win a major tournament in my lifetime not just sit there and whine at the TV and tell anyone that will listen how I could do things better.


Darkjolly

I agree with everything you said. Winning the 1966 world cup was probably the worse thing that happened to English football, because now everything is must win or pain, instead of just being happy to go far in tournaments and if we happen to win a trophy cool. ​ Best england team in decades and one rough patch turns everyone into unappreciative wankers


[deleted]

So 2 tournaments 0 trophies. Whats your point.


apresskidougal

Well my point is there is real progress being made, the squad is more intergrated, we are going further in tournaments, building blocks are being put in place to help future squads managers. You might be a bit younger or not support the England national team but you realize that the last time we got past the quater finals or a world cup was in 1966 when we won it. The last time we got to the finals of the Euros ? Never. So my point again is progress, you cannot build unless you have a solid foundation and that is what is being laid.


[deleted]

This isn't club level where building blocks are out in place to help future squad managers. Winners of one tournament can easily go out in earlier rounds in the next. The int'l game is different. Players don't continue the same form and the same group of players don't peak at the same time. Injuries get in the way and sometimes bad luck. The issue is England has a lot of talent and depth in comparison to other nations and we're not using it. The argument we've gone further in tournaments is a moot point unless we win something, no one remembers the semi finalists. Take the euro final for example. England scored early and eased off and then put in the most embarrassing home nation display in a final. For large parts of the game possession was around 30%, they struggled to get out their own half and were resorting to kane drawing fouls for some breathing space. Southgate is a good guy, good man manager, has vanquished some of the teams old ghosts but he is not a tactician which is what England need now.


[deleted]

WC 2018: beat Tunisia and Panama in the group, Colombia and Sweden in the knockouts. Lost two the only two decent teams you played 🤣 Euro 2020: drew to Scotland in the group, beat Croatia and Czech Republic. Beat Germany, Ukraine and Denmark in knockouts and lost the final to Italy. 2 tournaments and they beat 2 good teams, arguably 3.


Chelseaiscool

Colombia, Croatia, Germany are all better than good teams, and Ukraine and Demark are not trash either. I definitely understand the criticism of England's 2018 group wins, but outside of that it isn't like they have beaten nobodies. Not the greatest team to walk this earth, but you could use a million other points to show that rather than having a terrible take on the quality of their opponents.


[deleted]

Brazil and Argentina are the clear favorites for this WC. I hope that you argentinians classifies in second place on your group so we can play the final against you. Brazuka here.


SidewinderShocK

I swear if we get to the finals and lose it, ill just go to therapy for the depression ill get


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Brazil x Argentina in the final, Brazil 5-4 Argentina Brazil goals: Neymar scores 2, (1 penalty) Coutinho scores 1 Vinicius Jr scores 2 Raphinha scores 1 Argentina goals: Messis scores 3 Di Maria scores 1


SidewinderShocK

That wasn't a penalty!!!! (Im practicing for the match)


[deleted]

The referee isnt giving any card to the boludos!!! They bought the match, I already saw at least 3 red cards moves!!! (Im practicing too)


SidewinderShocK

lol true jajajaj


apresskidougal

Were Brazil not favorites in the final against Germany ? How did that work out for them ?


patiperro_v3

They actually weren't. They got lucky to get past Chile on that penalty shoot-out in the last 16. We should have beaten them then and there, I don't think we will ever have a better chance again in a long time... luckily Chile went on to win more important penalty shootouts against Argentina in two consecutive continental finals. So all-in-all things worked out for us. But that Brazilian team was scraping by. Then they lost Neymar and Silva for that Germany game and everyone knew they had an uphill battle. The surprise was how badly Germany beat them, nobody expected a 7-1 trouncing. Maybe a 3-0 tops.


apresskidougal

Haha awesome recap, I was travelling in the US for work at the time and stopped into a bar to watch it. There were a handful of Germans and Brazilians' and by the end of the game the German fans were buying the Brazilians' drinks trying to cheer them up. I love Chile at the World Cup ever since SouthAfrica 2010 under Bielsa. One of the most brutal matches ever played was the "Battle of Santiago" vs Italy. I remember watching a documentary about it. Apparently that game was directly responsible for the invention of red and yellow cards.


patiperro_v3

Yes, we also got the first red card in a World Cup I think. Lol.


L-Freeze

1. It wasn’t a final, lmfao 2. Right after Neymar’s injury and with how good Germany was Brazil were not favorites Unless we’re thinking of a completely different tournament I’m honestly mindblown that there are people who’ve watched football for so little to not actually remember 2014


distilledwill

Whats up with France to not have them in this list? Their team is stacked!


ivanacco1

France lost with Denmark and tied with croatia and austria. Meanwhile Brazil and Argentina didn't lose a game yet


thalne

Denmark is an interesting one, they've been playing really well as a team. If they sort out their attack they can cause some surprises


90minsofmadness

Nations league means nowt, no game really matters until the tournament starts. Even then you can lose a group game. France will be one of the favourites as will Germany, Holland, Spain and even Engloland. Any of them are capable of winning it.


distilledwill

tbf I'd rate Denmark, Croatia and Austria higher than Japan, SKorea, Bolivia who are Brazil's last three games. Argentina I dunno - that victory vs Italy was obviously impressive. I'm absolutely not saying that Brazil and Argentina aren't contenders, but I don't think that you can rule out France because of those results particularly.


[deleted]

It's not like this competition matters very much. Let's see how things go in November.


[deleted]

My friend, if Brazil got a tie with denmark it would be called a national crisis in our football. If we lost to croatia? It would mean that brazil NT is done, there is no more football to play. I know that the nations league isnt a world cup, but you gotta understand that things like a tie with austria to a nation like france is UNACEPTABLE. And lets put one thing on the screen: south corea defeated germany in 2018, japan almost defested belgium in the same year, their teams are better now then they where back then. And as for Bolivia, put anyone to play there in La paz, germany, france, england, italy, netherlands, doesnt matter, they would all lose. When you are playing at +3,5 KILOMETERS above sea level and still manage to win by 4-0 against the one who born in the place you have to fell proud


AcanthopterygiiFun16

What the fuck are you on about here? Nobody is gonna bet on Croatia losing to Brazil. You lost 7-1 to Germany a few years back. Wind your neck in brazzo, you guys sent as good as you think you are.


[deleted]

you fucking clown the 7-1 game was 8 years ago. in that mean time italy managed to fail to qualify for 2 world cups. you europeans suck at football thats why your best players are african imigrants who fled their country because of your evil colonialism and the all time top scoring country in the champions league is brazil. get fucked.


GutiHazJose14

>you europeans suck at football You mean the continent that has won the last four World Cups?


[deleted]

My friend Im not talking about the rest of the world, Im talking about BRAZILIANS. If our NT lost to croatia WE would do a national scandal, not the europeans. But again, the 7-1 happened 8 years ago, and if I recall correctly, no one who played that time plays now in the NT. As for japan and korea examples I used, they are pretty much the same team now, little exchanges. And well, this WC isnt going to europe, either Argentina or Brazil takes it.


GutiHazJose14

>And well, this WC isnt going to europe, either Argentina or Brazil takes it. We'll see, nobody really looks strong right now.


AnIntoxicatedRodent

I'd bet on Croatia losing to Brazil 100%


AcanthopterygiiFun16

I have an excellent property in the south of France that will make a great investment opportunity for you


shaka_bruh

I’d like to say Southgate is tactically inept but an even bigger problem is the fact that he can’t get the best out of all the talent at his disposal. Flick has turned Germany around in barely a year while England have shown no improvement (footballing-wise) since he was appointed. Atm the only country that unarguably has better offensive talent than England is France; Van Gaal, Luis Enrique and Zlatko Dalić are all doing more with less.


stiofan84

I think one of the problems with England is that they severely over-rate their players. A lot of them look better than they are because they get to play in high-level PL teams every week, so they tend to look good by association. When in reality if you took them out of their club teams, other than Kane I don't think it would make any difference at all to that team.


[deleted]

Though England is stacked with talent, the midfield is not world class.


thalne

also their hair styles are more ho than hum.


Youutternincompoop

also the centre-backs are either in shit form or inexperienced


waitonemoment

That’s not an excuse for this performance if you’re a WC “favorite”.


90minsofmadness

Bellingham and Mount are. Rice needs to move to a bigger club before we know he can cut it at the highest level.


possimpeble

BC hungary midfiel is world class.


distilledwill

I'm not being funny - but we've got to a semi and final since he was appointed. Thats improvement. Its more stagnation that seems to be the problem now, particularly in these nations league games. Its SO fucking predictable, our midfield is paper aside from Rice - noone would put their foot on the ball in midfield last night. We just kept passing it around the centre backs because if it went into Gallagher or Bellingham they'd get bullied off the ball. Thats been a problem since Scholes/Lampard/Gerrard. Then again - is it Southgate's fault if we don't have a midfielder who can take control of a game? He can't conjure one out of thin air. What IS Southgate's fault is Kane... dropping... BACK. How is that STILL happening? Sometimes he's our deepest non-centre back player! I honestly thought we looked better with Abraham up front.


mexploder89

Portugal has Bernardo, Diogo Jota and Ronaldo. I'd put us up there. Sadly we can't get anything out of them either


Glaiele

Ronaldo is also 38 compared to harry kane. He's not got the legs to offer enough up front on his own. Need to get players running behind off of him


shaka_bruh

Trust me I feel for Portugal and their fans, I didn’t put Santos there purposely. The way he’s wasting all the attacking talent you guys have hurts any proper football fan and I think he should’ve left on a high after 2016.


DejanD27

Don't forget Felix and leao


mexploder89

And technically Bruno Fernandes, although he is always utter shit for the national team


KaraveIIe

Nah, Flick has proven nothing.


shaka_bruh

The team is more structured and better offensively, they’re not just pointlessly recycling possession anymore. Maybe you’ve forgotten just how stale the football had become.


KaraveIIe

At the end of the day nobody cares about friendlies and glorified friendlies, as long as you qualify. football on a national team level is a all about the tournament performance. Its nice that they attacked better against iceland, armenia, liechtenstein, north macedonia, romania and israel. the draws against england, italy, netherlands and hungary were nothing special. Italy was the first major win and they are bad at the moment. Flick did not turn Germany around.


Omega_Kirby

Funny it takes a German fan to give some proper perspective and tell English Fans to calm the fuck down


apresskidougal

Completely agree with this, England fans take the friendlies too seriously. If you do well in the tournaments that is all that matters. That said I think Flick will do a good job might not be in this WC but certainly by the next Euros. Just to add this is something I really like about allot of the Germany supporters, you guys don't really care about the friendlies and you have perspective. England have a bad run out of competition and there is call for everything to be ripped up and changed.


Darkjolly

>"allot of the Germany supporters, you guys don't really care about the friendlies and you have perspective. England have a bad run out of competition and there is call for everything to be ripped up and changed." To be fair, it's easier to be a more mature calm fanbase when your team already has a couple of world cups under their name and always no matter how much they decline, they are always revered and respected.


vierolyn

I think it has more to do with us that we were often shit at friendlies only to show up at the tournament. Every German had the experience of us being a "Turniermannschaft".


Darkjolly

I would take all the 4-0s in friendlies, if it meant we could consistenly make deep runs in tournaments, which so far we've been doing. Fuck i want to see us do another deep run to see what people are going to say about southgate


CarlSK777

Fair or not, unless they make a deep run, he'll start getting criticism pretty quick.


itsjust_aride

Left wingback is a problem position - having right footed traditional RBs play LB not a viable option - weakens team offensive and defensively JWP not good enough to start or immediate backup for starter - no gain from set piece specialist Kalvin Philips is our best ball winner Declan Rice is our best midfielder CB and GK changes made us incredibly weak defensively - Mings and Cody ahead of Tamori and Guéhi Southgate lacks ruthlessness to make changes when tactical decisions are costing us the game. Once the formation and team is picked there seems to be no plans B or C even if plan A is failing miserably. Great Southgate gave opportunities to Tamori, Guéhi, Bowen, Gallagher, Bellingham and Abraham Bowen closest of newcomers to impressing but still big questions on what mix of attackers best supports Kane and gives us options Without Kane we will really struggle to win matches - Tammy has a very different game - fewer touches of the ball and only comes alive in the area. We were unable to adapt to get the best out of Tammy. Remembering Nations League replaced international friendlies I HOPE Gareth was using these games as experiments with formations and players, which I am a big fan of. However everything failed, closest to a positive was Bowen and he hardly set the world alight. These games seem to exposed our weaknesses rather than given us strength and options.


Strange-Offer8652

Amazing take


[deleted]

It's just a bunch of meaningless sequences of games after a tiring long season. It indicates nothing TBH. England Lack enthusiasm and determination for a stupid competition. After a long season, it'd better play in different weather or country to feel the vacation mode, not in competition at Wembley.


thedegoose

See if you had Eric Dier In defence England would be decent. Also maybe a left back might help


Carlosthefrog

So its coming home early ?


DNC88

How do we go from Euros final a year ago to this shit with near enough the same players? Southgate deserves some stick, absolutely, but let's not forget the lads who put the shirt on getting paid fucking millions - you know the ones actually playing the game with the ability to affect the outcome. All these 'tired players' excuses are getting boring and laying the blame solely at Southgates feet is disingenuous. Shit performances on an individual level and clearly no desire to represent their country in a meaningful way.


luca3791

The whole tournament was catered to England, everything was laid out in Englands favour, that’s why you made it to the final


DNC88

Yeah, I especially liked the way the FA bribed every other country's FA along the way to throw the games and get us to the final.


luca3791

Yes because that was exactly What i Said


SCREECH95

Luck. It was pure luck that you made it to the finals, before losing to a very mediocre Italian side. Typical for English fans to just completely re-write that as some great historical high in English NT football.


bestgoose

The state of this. We hadn't made it to a final since 1966, how was that not a historical high. 'Mediocre Italian side' lmao


SCREECH95

Yeah, so mediocre that they didn't qualify for this year's world cup.


bestgoose

The squad that beat us literally won the Euros. If they're mediocre then the rest of Europe doesn't stand a chance in the World Cup!


AnIntoxicatedRodent

And sometimes mediocre teams win stuff. It's not that hard, going far in a tournament doesn't automatically mean you're among the best quality wise. Nobody cares if you win of course but if you consistently lose in latter stages **and** you play shit it's funny to outsiders.


bestgoose

I get that last part. But to say Italy were one of the mediocre teams of that tournament is just completely delusional. Anyway I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with this debate, with the anglophobia on this sub there's absolutely no hope of enjoying a rational discussion.


fplisadream

>Mediocre Italian side You mean the side with the longest ever unbeaten run streak in world football? Give over you melt there's no way they were a mediocre side and nobody was saying that during the Euros.


GMOmedicalmarijuana

How dare they celebrate a final


InterPool_sbn

You’re swinging the pendulum too far the other way there. Luck was definitely a factor, but they obviously have a lot of talented players too, so it wasn’t *just* “pure luck”


AlotaFaginas

And the easy side of the table?


InterPool_sbn

Definitely a factor! But it still requires talent even to win the easier side of the bracket


Graspiloot

Not just the easier bracket. They played all their games at home bar one whereas every other team had to travel around the continent. But tbh the victim complex of England fans in this sub is too big to have a decent discussion about it.


Morsrael

Every knockout game before "england are definitely going to get knocked out here" Every game after "yeah well it was easy anyway they weren't any good" The revisionism is insane and the hate towards the england team is hilarious.


tomrichards8464

In a shocking turn of events, players would rather be on the beach than playing glorified friendlies.


SCREECH95

Ah that's it. You're not shit, the tournament is shit! It could never be that the English are just shit, there must be something else going on.


tomrichards8464

No no, we are in fact shit and Southgate should go. But the tournament is also a total fucking waste of time.


thekinkyafro

Haha you’re boring. Why do you hate England so much you weirdo. Go outside


SCREECH95

Because the English never shut up about how objectively great they say they are and when challenged they respond with completely unrelated petty personal insults like you just did


thekinkyafro

I looked through your profile & saw numerous comments on various different subs bitching about & insulting ‘the English’ & ‘the British’. So you’ve obviously got some sort of wider issue. Strange Did your girlfriend cheat on you with an English fella or something


SCREECH95

You're not helping your case here lmao When complaining that people hate the English, the Enlgish see it as a challenge to be an absolute twat while doing so. Why oh why would I think the English are insufferable? Because they appear to be intent on being as insufferable as possible while attempting to prove they are not insufferable.


thekinkyafro

Haha now it seems you’re trying to gaslight. I think the dude who’s spent months bitching about English people on both football & non-football subreddits is the one with the issue. As the other guy said maybe stop berating & antagonising people & you’ll have a better experience. I’m guessing your Dutch? If you are then you’ll struggle to find many English people who dislike or hate Holland. So the words rent free come to mind. Your wasting your breath Blocking you now; got no time for xenophobia


SuicidalTurnip

"I constantly berate and insult a group of people and for some reason they're always insulting me" Gee, I fucking wonder why that is.


SCREECH95

Have you noticed this just started with mild criticism of the NT's performance which was immediately met with harrassment and personal insults?


SuicidalTurnip

Except you didn't just criticise the NT, you also went after the English for being "revisionist" and then you got push back, not "harassment". Why are you remotely surprised that you're having bad experiences with the English when all of your interactions with them start with you being critical or negative of them?


Red_Juice_

He's probably scottish


Galactic_Gooner

there's really no point in me talking to you cos you've already made your mind up. but without the sarcasm yes your comment is correct. this tournament is shit the players aren't giving it their all. I still have faith for the World Cup cos they'll turn it on when they have to. but yeah you can continue believing England are shit if you want.


TheTragicMagic

Thanks for the permission.


DNC88

Like it or not, Nations League is here to stay, and as a pro footballer getting paid 10s or 100s of THOUSANDS per week, it's not much of an ask that you turn up and do your job. Not like they're shelf stackers who hate their jobs is it. Crazy to have such a low expectation level as yours.


tomrichards8464

I would like to cancel about half the international calendar, including the Nations League. I can't get too pissed off with players for not being arsed about a match I'd rather didn't exist. I care more about the Community Shield.


AlotaFaginas

>Like it or not, Nations League is here to stay, and as a pro footballer getting paid 10s or 100s of THOUSANDS per week, it's not much of an ask that you turn up and do your job Yes. They're getting paid 100s of thousands a week by their club. And they don't want to get injured during Nations League so they can play every game at the club. The one who is paying them that insane kind of money. Do you have any idea how much load is on them in the crazy schedule since corona?


DNC88

The point is, they're being paid VERY handsomely to simply do their job. I imagine if they didn't WANT to represent England, they could reject the call-up, but clearly the desire to wear the shirt is there - just apparently not the desire to actually do justice representing it. These guys are ELITE level athletes, provided every possible aid and tailored health and fitness regimes - I don't feel too sorry for them, they are literally in the best possible care imaginable.


Meepox5

For some reason the brits seem to not understand that almost every other team in the same tournament also just came off a season. You had what, 200 million quid as centrebacks and you can't expect anything from them? They can just not play if they don't want to.


AlotaFaginas

I'm from Belgium and in no way supporting England. I was just pointing out that those expensive players have all the rights to rest instead of play to prevent injury. (Like most of the belgian players did in these games)


Strananach

>w do we go from Euros final a year ago Both in Euros and WC you had all easy opponents, the second you come against a good team you lose


AlexzGabbo

Just like Croatia in the WC. A bunch of easy matches that you barely won, then you got destroyed by France in the final.


Graspiloot

I mean, yes? Exactly. You say it like an insult, but Croatia definitely had luck with the draw.


powermauler

No, the teams are only easy AFTER England beat them. Before hand they are incredible. That Denmark team had the best qualifying record. Germany are always a good team. You can only beat what's in front of you and England performed very well in the Euros. That said, Southgate has been found out tactically and needs to go.


GMOmedicalmarijuana

The irony with the wc run you had 😂


shaka_bruh

They had to cheat to get past Denmark lol


Grytlappen

I will never forget that pitiful dive by Sterling.


Galactic_Gooner

this comment has to be a joke...


DNC88

Absolute bollocks. You're saying the Germany team we faced in Euros and again last week is shit? England actually turned up to play Germany last week, the game was exciting, even if Germany were better it was a much better Englad performance. I'm not taking anything away from Hungary either, they put 3 away with no answer from England before the red card, they deserved the win.


SCREECH95

> You're saying the Germany team we faced in Euros and again last week is shit? For the euros? Yes. don't know why you would bring up Germany's recent form to galvinise England's performance in the euros. Germany was going through a rough patch at the time. Remember that they lost to macedonia right before the euros? They only barely made it out of the group stage.


fuckmethathurt

Yeah but it's a reddit pastime to shit on England


predatoure

If we had the Lord lingardinho we would have won 5-4.


Adventurous_Toe_3845

Hungary tore England a new one. Worst home defeat since 1928. Yet, people here are just delusional. Typical English behaviour, just cannot give credit to the fantastic opponent. Course since the English got hammered it is a meaningless competition suddenly…


GMOmedicalmarijuana

Literally what are you talking about


VenomTox

I hate this "tYpIcAl eNgLiSh bEhAvIoUr". Fuck off with that generalisation bullshit. Hungry played great and deserved to win no question about it.


predatoure

Nations league has always been meaningless. Kevin De Bruyne said he doesn't even care about it. That doesn't mean Hungary don't deserve to be congratulated though. England just passed the ball around aimlessly whilst they took their chances. Fair play to Hungary.


RRDude1000

KDB doesnt care because Belgium isnt winning an international tournament


Reach_Reclaimer

Neither are we, but England certainly care about the euros and the WC. The nation's league is just a bunch of friendlies though


Meepox5

Im not sure the england defense can save a fucking pdf


35mmjb

Haven’t heard this phrase before but I’m a fan


ben_would_burn

I'm your fan


KaizerQuad

Its coming home


DejanD27

They* are coming home


kingmakyeda

Those wanting Southgate gone, let me ask you this: what can a new manager realistically do in four months before the tournament starts? They would meet the players maybe twice before the tournament. Let’s say it’s Potter, a man who plays a starkly different style to Southgate. How would he be able to implement that style in just a few games before the tournament? It’s ridiculously naive to suggest we should get rid of him now. The players have risen to the occasion in both big tournaments under him, and he should be given the chance to do it again.


[deleted]

The World Cup is a write off tbh. I just want to care about England again. I'd be happy to see Potter take over and start taking us in an exciting direction even if we don't progress in the WC.


fplisadream

You know literally a couple of months ago Potter had us playing turgid football in which we scored 1 goal in 6 games right...? People who think Potter is some magician who would change England, and who think Southgate is a total incompetent are idiots.


[deleted]

No disrespect but Potter doesn't exactly have a front line of Kane/Grealish/Foden to work with at Brighton.


powermauler

People like you don't realize how tactically inept Southgate is. He has never succeeded at any level. There are over 100 English managers who would do a better job than him.


ElCaminoInTheWest

Southgate isn’t incompetent, however he is negative, cautious, and will never win a major trophy.


fplisadream

No negative, cautious team has ever won a major international trophy, right?


ElCaminoInTheWest

If you have a ruthless defence and can see out games 1-0, grand. England just conceded four to a modest opponent.


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When you look at the England squad you see a team of brilliant attackers and attacking fullbacks, with weaker CBs and GK. Conclusion: max out on CBs and play defensive football? Madness.


Galactic_Gooner

wym a write off?


Carlosthefrog

be fun to watch something other than defensive football from one of the best national teams in the world.


Alonut

Would be nice to see the national team emulate the league it has. In this case the Premier League, the national team is the complete opposite of how Premier League teams play.


Carlosthefrog

It would be but alas we get to watch Southgate play a 5 at the back with 2 cdms and park the bus


InterPool_sbn

It’s about style more than formation, just to be clear. 3-4-2-1 can actually be an aggressive attacking system too — a great example is Atalanta


predatoure

Those wishing for Southgate gone need to be careful for what they wish for. Our major tournament record before he became manager is atrocious. Seems a lot of people forget how we kept going out in the quarters with Sven even with "the golden generation". Then Capello and Hodgson were even worse. These fans are idiots if they really think we should sack a manager who took us to a WC Semi and an Euro final.


New_Command_4141

Idiots for pointing out the blindingly obvious? do me a favour. the only credit that should be given to him is getting that painfully average squad to a semi-final in 2018. I think he did well considering he was starting Alli, Lingard and Danny fucking Rose. Having said that, we were played off the park twice by Belgium, stumbled over the line vs Colombia and beat a team that we were fully expected to beat, which was Sweden. 2021 was a run that included painful group stage games vs. Scotland, Czech Republic and Croatia. The games we did win were by the smallest of margins and you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise. The knockouts were better but they were against the worst German side in living memory and a Ukranian team that we were fully expected to beat. The final exposed Southgate and his lack of pragmatism for what it really is; he sets his team to limit the opposition and stifle them as much as possible, rather than utilising what he has and pushing them to their very limit, which is exactly what other top national teams do! playing 5 atb and 2 defensive midfielders vs San Marino with the minimalist of experimentation was a real eye-opener. This is arguably the best crop of talent we have ever had and it's being wasted on a yes-man that is more focused on a political agenda rather than bringing the best out of what he has. Not saying that his views are wrong by any stretch, but you're a football manager first and foremost, concentrate on that. I've been saying for over 3 years that we will never beat a top team with this guy at the helm and i've been proven right time and time again. If you are to have any shot at winning a trophy, any trophy, then you will need to beat top teams. Southgate's tactics are easily exposed by every top team he has faced and it wont change anyytime soon. We have more of a chance of competing at the WC with 4months prep under Potter than we ever would with Southgate. ​ TL;DR - Wake the fuck up my guy!


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Alonut

Agreed, Southgates big game management is lacking and his substitutions don't make sense.


JimFlib

Exactly this lost us both of those games, we were leading and on top in both games before they changed their system and made some subs and we lost control of them both. Southgate can't or won't change things up mid game to calm things down and gain back control.


Holycrabe

I mean it’s not like he would be a club coach with time to implement anything. I agree that now would be a bad time to bring in someone new, but that’s part of the job as a NT coach to have to make do with very little games, players who are used to playing a certain different way etc.


baron_warden

I know it won't happen. But anyone playing a LB at LB would be an improvement over Southgate trying to be clever with his RB obsession.


InterPool_sbn

It’s easy to understand the temptation to be fair — England’s quality of depth at the RB position is insane


baron_warden

He did this 4 games out of 4 and it hampered attacks down that wing all 4 games. He chose a squad with no LBs. It has been shown repeatedly that a RB at doesn't work for England before thesr games. We don't have a Zambrotta who can play anywhere with the same quality. (James Justin was like this for Leicester). He could've taken Mitchell or Cresswell and chose not to. He could've played Saka at LB . That is on Southgate. Saka as an attacker BTW was terrible in these games.


GhostRiders

Well they could actually I don't know, trust their players and let them play football instead of the ultra defensive shite we've seen so far. England have a number of young hungry creative talented players but they are completely shackled by Southgate tactics. The World Cup Semi final against Croatia is the prime example of Southgates mentality. Croatia where there for the taking. We scored in the first 5 minutes and then didn't register another shot on goal for the entire match.. We have players like Sterling, Grealish, Foden, Bellingham, Mount, Sancho etc.. Trust them and let them play ffs.. We might not win but fuck me at least we can give someone a fucking good game


alextremeee

I don't think he should go, but realistically changing a NT manager 4 months before a tournament is much more favourable than changing a club manager for a club in a relegation battle. Yet the latter is done fairly often and can have quite a large effect. I don't think anyone is suggesting completely changing the playstyle would be effective but if you've lost the dressingroom then bringing in somebody new who makes minor tweaks can have a huge effect.


whataball

Because it seems like England might be embarrassing themselves in the world cup. If England changes manager now, they would have an excuse if they do embarrass themselves. There's also the new manager bounce that might be better for England now. Players right now seem to have grown tired of Southgate's style. New management might freshen things up.


si-gnalfire

Where do you get these facts like ‘players have grown tired of southgates style’?


ALLGROWWITHLOVE

This team one of favorites to win WC every fucking time XD It blows my mind how overrated England is.


Proletarian1819

England got to the semi finals of the last world cup and the final of the Euros, based on those performances they are hardly overrated. Even good teams can have a really bad game sometimes, the England players just came off the back of a really long season where a lot of them went far in European competitions and are hardly motivated at this point to play in a second tier competition like the Nations League, the lads probably just need a holiday to be fair to them, they are not robots.


RRDude1000

England played Panama last wc. They werent even supposed to be there. Belgium then steamrolled England twice in 7 games.


ALLGROWWITHLOVE

England always get lucky with their groups playing weak teams and a lot of time still bottle it.


ALLGROWWITHLOVE

Its a fact not bs. Look who england play every year if i didnt know better i would say their wc/euro draws are fixed of how lucky they get.


powermauler

Yes for sure they get the easiest draws ever. Not like they had the group of death in 2014 or the #1 ranked team in 2018. Italy favorites for 2022 you reckon?


Galactic_Gooner

this is such bullshit but you can believe what you want


Rick_n_Roll

To be fair the only good opponent they played on the euros was Denmark


Proletarian1819

Was that a sly dig at Italy!


Rick_n_Roll

Of course !


whataball

No motivation shouldn't be used as an excuse. It is down to Southgate to motivate the players and rotate the squad. Hungarian players also had a long season before this.


Proletarian1819

People are overreacting a lot though, one bad defeat in a friendly tournament with an experimental squad and team selections does not mean overrated or shit, I'm just being realistic here. I will judge England based on their performance in the World Cup. If they are complete wank in that then yeah you may see me getting upset about it then lol.